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Muffet McStrudel
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.01.20 15:09:00 -
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Dalilus wrote:I really don't understand all the whinning, nullbears have gotten pretty much what they asked for since 2008 when their representatives took over the CSM. If nullsec is a huge mess, enjoy what you begged for - pretty please give me X, Y and Z with a cherry on top CCP. IMHO EVE began to get out of CCP's hands a long time ago when they nerfed supers because they were being used as haulers and not for what the devs had envisioned. Let the players play the game the way they want and not have to follow a set path thought out by, dare I write it, selfish nullbears and, oh the horror, implemented on their behalf by a dozen or so devs who were/are/always will be nullbears.
I'm fairly convinced that the gankers will ever only be happy when the null bears are continually warp scrambled by belt rats so they can be lined up firing squad style. They're pretty much like someone that would try and give you a toilet swirly from behind while you are urinating, only when you turn to punch them in the mouth they run as fast as they can.
EVE started getting out of hand when they let people pay for accounts with in game isk, encouraging (hell basically ensuring multiboxing and additional server lag) and they introduced hot dropping. Hot dropping basically removed any reason to fight because there was no way to see what you were up against. A fairly reasonable 1:1 fight could suddenly turn into a 4-6 on 1. Now that hotdropping can be done several jumps behind enemy lines, the problem has only gotten worse. Nobody is going to engage 1 on 6 no matter how badly you want them to in their PVE setup. Far easier to dock up somewhere and wait til the gankers get bored. Yes, yes, you really owned us this time ... oh wait, we still own the space ...
So which features have nullbears gotten to make it easier to hold their space? Bridging Titans? Covert Cynos? Stealth Bombers? Uncatchable interceptors? AFK cloakies isk-locking systems? And now small roving gangs want more handouts (ESS - fund my pvp while I try and gank nullbears)? There's a big whiny group in the game allright, but it's not the nullbears.
Keep it up CCP, I can choose to use my disposable income in other ways. |
Eram Fidard
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
725
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Posted - 2014.01.20 15:17:00 -
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Shvak wrote:http://www.eveonline.com/rubicon/features/encounter-surveillance-system/ I think all speculation that CCP may can the idea just flew out the window. S hit You know who I feel sorry for the most. The little guy that sneaks into nullsec for a little R and R. This is just going to make him so easy to find. I agree with the rest it will be a 30m isk kill blot on eve kill every time I see one. Curious how these will be used in WH space when the time comes
What a ******* joke. Poster is not to be held responsible for damages to keyboards and/or noses caused by hot beverages. |
Tahnil
Sirius Fleet
37
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Posted - 2014.01.20 15:20:00 -
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Speaking from the perspective of a brigand who is roaming sovereignty space, I can only say that the best fights I can remember were those where people actually stood up against us. I donGÇÿt enjoy ganks very much, but as a roamer you learn to take what you can get. Better to kill a solo ratting Drake or Carrier than nothing at all. ThatGÇÿs all. I donGÇÿt want to gank, I wish there were more small-scale fights (say 4-6 vs 4-6, or double that size). And in this case I am perfectly fine with losing the engagement. As long as I got a good fight, no problem with that.
That doesn't tell anything about ESS at all. Just my two cents with regards to the perceived motivation of roamers vs the roamers perspective. |
Rekkr Nordgard
The Ardency of Faith
342
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Posted - 2014.01.20 15:37:00 -
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Shvak wrote:http://www.eveonline.com/rubicon/features/encounter-surveillance-system/ I think all speculation that CCP may can the idea just flew out the window.
CCP; listening to player feedback since never. |
Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
3415
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Posted - 2014.01.20 15:38:00 -
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It's been a little bit since our last feedback from CCP. How goes the discussion about iterations and changes to these deployables? (granted, you might be tied up on other discussions given HED-GP).
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Georgiy Giggle
REFORD Division REFORD
95
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Posted - 2014.01.20 16:00:00 -
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CCP like to do stuff that ppl do not need and also they like not do to stuff that ppl would like to have. Atm I'm talking about INCARNA.
CCP started to develop DUST514, not even for PC, then VALKYRIE... and nobody knows what it will be. What will be next? Little hacking games for dendy?
I realy want CCP to launch normal incarna instead of wasting time and human resources for such crap as ESS. Not mastering proprieties, won't become firmly established. - Confucius |
Muffet McStrudel
Aliastra Gallente Federation
31
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Posted - 2014.01.20 16:17:00 -
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Gizznitt Malikite wrote: It's been a little bit since our last feedback from CCP. How goes the discussion about iterations and changes to these deployables? (granted, you might be tied up on other discussions given HED-GP).
CCP doesn't seem to care as no announcements to stop release of the module have been made, alliances are beginning to declare them KOS if deployed. Not really anything has changed.
I'd say in all likelihood they'll be implemented, alliances will ban their use for the most part and after the hostiles deploy one leave the system - BOOM. They'll lose 30M. Just another nullsec structure to grind really.
All in all, just a big waste of resources and time for everyone all the way around.
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Zircon Dasher
346
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Posted - 2014.01.20 16:34:00 -
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Muffet McStrudel wrote: alliances will ban their use..... Just another nullsec structure to grind really.
So your alliance is 1) nerfing your income and 2) mandating that you shoot structures that play no part in SOV?
And your mad at CCP. Nerfing High-sec is never the answer. It is the question. The answer is 'YES'. |
seth Hendar
I love you miners
394
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Posted - 2014.01.20 16:38:00 -
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Gizznitt Malikite wrote: It's been a little bit since our last feedback from CCP. How goes the discussion about iterations and changes to these deployables? (granted, you might be tied up on other discussions given HED-GP).
CCP's idea on discussion and feedback:
http://www.eveonline.com/rubicon/features/encounter-surveillance-system/ |
Tahnil
Sirius Fleet
38
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Posted - 2014.01.20 16:40:00 -
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They are not obliged to ask for permission to add something to their game. That being said, the announcement isnGÇÿt very specific, feature-wise. So there still seems to be plenty of room for changes to the way it operates.
Not releasing the module seems to be no option, though. |
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Muffet McStrudel
Aliastra Gallente Federation
32
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Posted - 2014.01.20 16:42:00 -
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Zircon Dasher wrote:Muffet McStrudel wrote: alliances will ban their use..... Just another nullsec structure to grind really.
So your alliance is 1) nerfing your income and 2) mandating that you shoot structures that play no part in SOV? And your mad at CCP.
No CCP is nerfing the bounty. I don't recall alliances asking for this asinine structure, just less fleet lag.
I will shoot them because strategically there is nothing else to do with them. If one goes up and it remains unmolested it simply provides a target for enemies to warp to and encourages them to hang around my space and steal. And if I'm really lucky, maybe I'll get my ratting ship caught in the warp bubble while trying to collect my tags that I'll need to burn time lugging to empire, where maybe I'll get lucky twice and get podded along the way.
You really aren't thinking this through, are you? How about this - I'll trade you the ESS and go for it if small gang pvp gives up cloaking ships and hot drops. Hmmmmm, wonder what the odds of them doing that are? |
seth Hendar
I love you miners
394
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Posted - 2014.01.20 16:45:00 -
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Tahnil wrote:They are not obliged to ask for permission to add something to their game. That being said, the announcement isnGÇÿt very specific, feature-wise. So there still seems to be plenty of room for changes to the way it operates.
Not releasing the module seems to be no option, though. of course, but with such an attitude, it's how it'll end, THEIR game, not ours, they'll endup witha massive cluster for a hundred devs......
the subs number are already dropping, the nb of ppl connected is dropping, and pissing up the remaining player is NOT something they can afford, yet they do it...... |
Muffet McStrudel
Aliastra Gallente Federation
32
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Posted - 2014.01.20 16:47:00 -
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Tahnil wrote:They are not obliged to ask for permission to add something to their game. That being said, the announcement isnGÇÿt very specific, feature-wise. So there still seems to be plenty of room for changes to the way it operates.
Not releasing the module seems to be no option, though.
By all means, you are correct, they don't have to ask. However, it's pretty short-sighted of them to think players can't vote with their subs. I mean it's not like there aren't any other MMO's to play these days. Generally speaking, not giving your customers what they want results in a lack of customers.
When my customers ask me for something in RL, I generally try to oblige by forming a win-win deal. This isn't a win-win deal. Let CCP find out the hard way again. Fine with me.
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Zircon Dasher
346
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Posted - 2014.01.20 17:02:00 -
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Muffet McStrudel wrote: No CCP is nerfing the bounty. I don't recall alliances asking for this asinine structure, just less fleet lag.
I will shoot them because strategically there is nothing else to do with them. If one goes up and it remains unmolested it simply provides a target for enemies to warp to and encourages them to hang around my space and steal. And if I'm really lucky, maybe I'll get my ratting ship caught in the warp bubble while trying to collect my tags that I'll need to burn time lugging to empire, where maybe I'll get lucky twice and get podded along the way.
You really aren't thinking this through, are you? How about this - I'll trade you the ESS and go for it if small gang pvp gives up cloaking ships and hot drops. Hmmmmm, wonder what the odds of them doing that are?
CCP is also providing a mechanism to ignore the nerf. If your alliance does not allow you to ignore the nerf, then your alliance is actively nerfing your income.
So you will shoot them even though you don't have to, but complain about more structure grinds. Got it.
Why would you collect tags unless your 'stealing'(lol) them? If you are 'stealing' why would you use a ratting ship? Nerfing High-sec is never the answer. It is the question. The answer is 'YES'. |
Tahnil
Sirius Fleet
38
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Posted - 2014.01.20 17:05:00 -
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Muffet McStrudel wrote: And if I'm really lucky, maybe I'll get my ratting ship caught in the warp bubble while trying to collect my tags that I'll need to burn time lugging to empire, where maybe I'll get lucky twice and get podded along the way.
You really aren't thinking this through, are you? How about this - I'll trade you the ESS and go for it if small gang pvp gives up cloaking ships and hot drops. Hmmmmm, wonder what the odds of them doing that are?
So, after 84 pages in this discussion, you still didnGÇÿt realize, that the ratters DONGÇÿT have to collect any tags? If somebody pushes the SHARE button, then all ratters get an ISK transfer directly to their wallet, proportionally to the bounties they collected since the last share event in the system, while the module was active.
Quote:Generally speaking, not giving your customers what they want results in a lack of customers.
ThatGÇÿs right. But nullsec alliances are only one part of CCP customers, and they have to see the big picture, such as GÇPin which direction do we want to develop this gameGÇ£. |
Fix Sov
84
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Posted - 2014.01.20 17:10:00 -
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So what's the direction this useless module is supposed to be taking "this game"? The current sov system is too heavily reliant on the defender saving systems by stuffing as many people as possible into the system for the final timer, instead of incentivizing attacking (and defending) multiple systems at the same time by splitting their forces into multiple fleets and using actual intelligence/strategy. This must change. |
seth Hendar
I love you miners
394
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Posted - 2014.01.20 17:10:00 -
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Tahnil wrote:Muffet McStrudel wrote: And if I'm really lucky, maybe I'll get my ratting ship caught in the warp bubble while trying to collect my tags that I'll need to burn time lugging to empire, where maybe I'll get lucky twice and get podded along the way.
You really aren't thinking this through, are you? So, after 84 pages in this discussion, you still didnGÇÿt realize, that the ratters DONGÇÿT have to collect any tags? If somebody pushes the SHARE button, then all ratters get an ISK transfer directly to their wallet, proportionally to the bounties they collected since the last share event in the system, while the module was active. Quote:Generally speaking, not giving your customers what they want results in a lack of customers. ThatGÇÿs right. But nullsec alliances are only one part of CCP customers, and they have to see the big picture, such as GÇPin which direction do we want to develop this gameGÇ£. one thing is pretty clear about CCP's big picture:
the null sec is mostly empty, and they want it even more empty |
Muffet McStrudel
Aliastra Gallente Federation
32
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Posted - 2014.01.20 17:17:00 -
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Zircon Dasher wrote:Muffet McStrudel wrote: No CCP is nerfing the bounty. I don't recall alliances asking for this asinine structure, just less fleet lag.
I will shoot them because strategically there is nothing else to do with them. If one goes up and it remains unmolested it simply provides a target for enemies to warp to and encourages them to hang around my space and steal. And if I'm really lucky, maybe I'll get my ratting ship caught in the warp bubble while trying to collect my tags that I'll need to burn time lugging to empire, where maybe I'll get lucky twice and get podded along the way.
You really aren't thinking this through, are you? How about this - I'll trade you the ESS and go for it if small gang pvp gives up cloaking ships and hot drops. Hmmmmm, wonder what the odds of them doing that are?
CCP is also providing a mechanism to ignore the nerf. If your alliance does not allow you to ignore the nerf, then your alliance is actively nerfing your income. So you will shoot them even though you don't have to, but complain about more structure grinds. Got it. Why would you collect tags unless your 'stealing'(lol) them? If you are 'stealing' why would you use a ratting ship?
NO, CCP is the one nerfing the income. My alliance doesn't want these and didn't ask for them. Was there some alliance somewhere complaining that they were making too much isk in null? I guess I missed that post. By design, the only option is to KOS these regardless of who deploys them.
Basically CCP is saying put these ESS up and guard them or receive a 5% nerf to income, oh, and by the way, there's no real reason to put them up because they will attract more enemies to your quiet ratting space, the rewards are garbage because it takes too long to pay for itself, any day old alt can take from them, and you can't really defend them. We also stuck some warp bubbles around them, just to make you a juicy pre-scrammed target for the small gangs in the hopes to make null sec even worse. And if that wasn't enough to convince you about how useful and great they are, we even want you to risk taking these to empire to get any gain from them.
You'd have to be a moron to think any alliance will deploy these or allow them to be deployed in their current state.
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Muffet McStrudel
Aliastra Gallente Federation
34
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Posted - 2014.01.20 17:30:00 -
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Tahnil wrote:Muffet McStrudel wrote: And if I'm really lucky, maybe I'll get my ratting ship caught in the warp bubble while trying to collect my tags that I'll need to burn time lugging to empire, where maybe I'll get lucky twice and get podded along the way.
You really aren't thinking this through, are you? So, after 84 pages in this discussion, you still didnGÇÿt realize, that the ratters DONGÇÿT have to collect any tags? If somebody pushes the SHARE button, then all ratters get an ISK transfer directly to their wallet, proportionally to the bounties they collected since the last share event in the system, while the module was active. Quote:Generally speaking, not giving your customers what they want results in a lack of customers. ThatGÇÿs right. But nullsec alliances are only one part of CCP customers, and they have to see the big picture, such as GÇPin which direction do we want to develop this gameGÇ£.
I hate to break it to you but you are only a very small albeit VOCAL minority pushing for this thing. Well organized alliances run EVE no matter how badly DEV's don't want it to be different. The major warring factions agree not to want it. A large majority of subscribers have mains or alts in at least one alliance. Alliances really gain nothing by deploying the ESS in it's current form.
If the payout was immediate, say +25%-%50 of ratting income in the system, it doesn't have a bubble around it, and there is no reason to interact with it and empire in any way, then MAAAAAYBE there is a reason to cheer for this thing. All I see with it now is a reason to encourage a day old alt or small roving gang to steal isk from it while it nerfs the bounties to boot. And hey, what person trying to rat for isk doesn't need that, right? I mean who wouldn't want yet another reason to entice someone in a PVP fit to come ruin your PVE day?
This really isn't that hard guys.
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Tahnil
Sirius Fleet
38
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Posted - 2014.01.20 17:32:00 -
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Fix Sov wrote:So what's the direction this useless module is supposed to be taking "this game"?
Farms and fields. I hope CCP was somewhat prepared for the resistance by nullbears once it became more than an empty slogan :-P |
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Muffet McStrudel
Aliastra Gallente Federation
34
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Posted - 2014.01.20 17:36:00 -
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Tahnil wrote:Fix Sov wrote:So what's the direction this useless module is supposed to be taking "this game"? Farms and fields. I hope CCP was somewhat prepared for the resistance by nullbears once it became more than an empty slogan :-P
lol - we'll see how prepared CCP is when subs start dropping off.
Here's a few more empty slogans:
- What is your definition of epic combat? Is it fleets of hundreds clashing in battle? Is it war for control of entire constellations?
- Does high risk PvP get your blood racing? 1000+ ship fleet battles - hundreds of ship types - thousands of ship module options
lol
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Rekkr Nordgard
The Ardency of Faith
345
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Posted - 2014.01.20 17:38:00 -
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Tahnil wrote:Fix Sov wrote:So what's the direction this useless module is supposed to be taking "this game"? Farms and fields. I hope CCP was somewhat prepared for the resistance by nullbears once it became more than an empty slogan :-P
If CCP thinks that when we said that we wanted farms and fields that we meant we wanted nullsec line members' already tedious income nerfed, then we need to have a talk about what "farms and fields" actually means. |
Tahnil
Sirius Fleet
38
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Posted - 2014.01.20 17:38:00 -
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Muffet McStrudel wrote:Tahnil wrote:Muffet McStrudel wrote: And if I'm really lucky, maybe I'll get my ratting ship caught in the warp bubble while trying to collect my tags that I'll need to burn time lugging to empire, where maybe I'll get lucky twice and get podded along the way.
You really aren't thinking this through, are you? So, after 84 pages in this discussion, you still didnGÇÿt realize, that the ratters DONGÇÿT have to collect any tags? If somebody pushes the SHARE button, then all ratters get an ISK transfer directly to their wallet, proportionally to the bounties they collected since the last share event in the system, while the module was active. Quote:Generally speaking, not giving your customers what they want results in a lack of customers. ThatGÇÿs right. But nullsec alliances are only one part of CCP customers, and they have to see the big picture, such as GÇPin which direction do we want to develop this gameGÇ£. I hate to break it to you but you are only a very small albeit VOCAL minority pushing for this thing. Well organized alliances run EVE regardless if the DEV's want it or not. The major warring factions agree not to want the ESS. A large majority of subscribers have mains or alts in at least one alliance. Alliances really gain nothing by deploying the ESS in it's current form. If the payout was immediate, say +25%-%50 of ratting income in the system, it doesn't have a bubble around it, and there is no reason to interact with it and empire in any way, then MAAAAAYBE there is a reason to cheer for this thing. All I see with it now is a reason to encourage a day old alt or small roving gang to steal isk from it while it nerfs the bounties to boot. And hey, what person trying to rat for isk doesn't need that, right? I mean who wouldn't want yet another reason to entice someone in a PVP fit to come ruin your PVE day? This really isn't that hard guys.
Then by all means don't use it. But don't whine and ***** about it as well. If the module isn't used at all, CCP will have to revisit it in spring. And if you're concerned about your income, then either use it or do one more site a week.
If you see potential in the idea behind it, suggest some improvements. Nuff said. |
Rekkr Nordgard
The Ardency of Faith
345
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Posted - 2014.01.20 17:40:00 -
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Tahnil wrote:Then by all means don't use it. But don't whine and ***** about it as well. If the module isn't used at all, CCP will have to revisit it in spring. And if you're concerned about your income, then either use it or do one more site a week.
Just like CCP is going to fix Sov, POSes, corp roles, and lag? lol, please.
Tahnil wrote:If you see potential in the idea behind it, suggest spme improvements. Nuff said.
There have been 80+ pages of suggestions, all of which have been ignored by CCP. |
Muffet McStrudel
Aliastra Gallente Federation
34
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Posted - 2014.01.20 17:50:00 -
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Tahnil wrote:
Then by all means don't use it. But don't whine and ***** about it as well. If the module isn't used at all, CCP will have to revisit it in spring. And if you're concerned about your income, then either use it or do one more site a week.
If you see potential in the idea behind it, suggest some improvements. Nuff said.
Improvements were suggested. Many times. CCP doesn't seem to have any interests to entertain them.
You want fights in 0.0? Get rid of afk cloakers and cloaking hot drops as well as uncatchable interceptors and the whining pvpers will get some fights. Allow PVP fits to be able to rat more effectively and more fights will come. But nope, that isn't what the gankers like you want, they simply want some free isk while they pvp with easy targets.
They'd rather cry about how everyone just docks up when local spikes and they shouldn't have to adjust their tactics. Well boo fricken hoo. Enjoy watching people dock up and shoot your ESS modules after you leave now, because that's what's going to happen. |
Tahnil
Sirius Fleet
38
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Posted - 2014.01.20 17:50:00 -
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No they haven't. |
Fix Sov
86
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Posted - 2014.01.20 17:54:00 -
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Tahnil wrote:If the module isn't used at all, CCP will have to revisit it in spring. That never happens.
Tahnil wrote:If you see potential in the idea behind it, suggest some improvements. Nuff said. We have, abut some people don't seem to listen. The current sov system is too heavily reliant on the defender saving systems by stuffing as many people as possible into the system for the final timer, instead of incentivizing attacking (and defending) multiple systems at the same time by splitting their forces into multiple fleets and using actual intelligence/strategy. This must change. |
Muffet McStrudel
Aliastra Gallente Federation
34
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Posted - 2014.01.20 17:55:00 -
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Tahnil wrote:Quote:There have been 80+ pages of suggestions, all of which have been ignored by CCP. No they haven't.
That remains to be seen until after the patch. Based off the present hearsay and innuendo though, there's really no reason for an alliance to say "yeah!" to ESS at this time.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
18969
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Posted - 2014.01.20 18:28:00 -
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Tahnil wrote:Fix Sov wrote:So what's the direction this useless module is supposed to be taking "this game"? Farms and fields. This isn't farms and fields, though. Farms and fields is about being able to grow your own little patch of land, but having to keep the wildlife from trampling all over it. Replacing the fertile earth on the farm with sand and giving players fences that suck up any remaining water (not to mention attracting wildlife rather than keep it out) doesn't do that.
This is more like wheel of pain GÇö a pointless toil in a wasteland that grows increasingly depopulated and rarely visited as time goes by. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
3415
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Posted - 2014.01.20 19:01:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Tahnil wrote:Fix Sov wrote:So what's the direction this useless module is supposed to be taking "this game"? Farms and fields. This isn't farms and fields, though. Farms and fields is about being able to grow your own little patch of land, but having to keep the wildlife from trampling all over it. Replacing the fertile earth on the farm with sand and giving players fences that suck up any remaining water (not to mention attracting wildlife rather than keep it out) doesn't do that. This is more like wheel of pain GÇö a pointless toil in a wasteland that grows increasingly depopulated and rarely visited as time goes by.
Normally you make good posts tippia.. but this is just bullshit garbage.
The ESS is essentially fertilizer.. it has the potential to increase your crop yield while also attracting bugs.
It absolutely qualifies as a Farms & Fields device, and no bullshit analogy you pull out of your ass will change that. What you may honestly debate is the utility of the device, and whether the risks outweigh the rewards. |
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