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Marcus Druallis
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Posted - 2006.03.22 06:15:00 -
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Assault Frigate. What they hell are they used for. People say that they are good at inti and frigate killing. But aren't destroyers too, for a LOT less money and skills. In gang/fleet battles, what do AF's provide, besides tackling, (Which pretty much anything can do). Can AF's handle themselves against Cruisers? Thanks
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Tiuwaz
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Posted - 2006.03.22 06:19:00 -
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AF's are good for pve, for pvp too costly for what they offer
Originally by: Oveur ****! Lets nerf it!
To the nerfmobile!
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Kel Shek
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Posted - 2006.03.22 06:33:00 -
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I think the question is more of what are destroyers good for.
from my experience and understanding,... AF's do the destroyer role better, faster, and more effectively. that is... killing frigates and similar small targets.
a AF would(er, should?) be signifigantly stronger defensively than a destroyer as far as taking hits, while being faster-enough to "evade" some as well.
I'm not sure how well AF's hold up in PvP against cruisers, but I'm very sure they hold up ALOT better than destroyers, (back to the faster, and heavier tank)
personally I love my Ishkur,
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Darpz
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Posted - 2006.03.22 07:38:00 -
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I love AFs, my favortie ship to fly
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Morkus Rex
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Posted - 2006.03.22 07:39:00 -
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My favorite ship too _____________________________________________ Our users will know fear and cover before our software! Ship it! Ship it and let them flee like the dogs they are!
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TOGAKURE Daisuke
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Posted - 2006.03.22 08:50:00 -
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AF is one of the best PvE ships... cheap, high resists, fast... I can tank 6M BS spawns with my Retri :D
For PvP, not worth the price.
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Yaro
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Posted - 2006.03.22 09:27:00 -
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AF suxx...good caracal pilot will kill any AF anytime
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Tas Devil
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Posted - 2006.03.22 09:36:00 -
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Originally by: Yaro AF suxx...good caracal pilot will kill any AF anytime
care to come to ewok-k and show me this with your uber caracal? The best Laugh ever ... Credit goes to TheKiller8 for this :) |
Zeron Zeth
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Posted - 2006.03.22 09:56:00 -
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Edited by: Zeron Zeth on 22/03/2006 09:57:07 WTF !?! assualt frigs are awesome...can down most cruisers in a ishkur and the jag is gonna be pretteh awesome with the new skills.....and comparing them to destroyers...marcus your must be a uber nub....just look at the bonuses on them. Also bs's cant hit them for poo...only reason most people think that af's are average is cus they dont have the balls to test em out properly And yaro, stop talkin out your backside you nub _______________________________________________
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Testy Mctest
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Posted - 2006.03.22 10:03:00 -
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Originally by: Tas Devil
Originally by: Yaro AF suxx...good caracal pilot will kill any AF anytime
care to come to ewok-k and show me this with your uber caracal?
Although his point is irrelevent since most AFs are raped by cruisers, you're wrong also, since any properly set up Caracal will kill any AF with little to no trouble. Especially with precision missiles.
Same goes for any cruiser, though, really. Come to Syndicate and show me your uber AF that can beat my Rupture *or* my Stabber :)
AFs do some things well. Killing ships bigger than them is not one of them.
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Celador Nane
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Posted - 2006.03.22 10:07:00 -
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Personaly, i think AF are pointless, u can fit a cruiser for 1/2 the cost to do its job, and alot better for pvp anyways. For pve ur better off with a HAC/BS.
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Dorogan Multikill
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Posted - 2006.03.22 10:11:00 -
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Edited by: Dorogan Multikill on 22/03/2006 10:14:54 Edited by: Dorogan Multikill on 22/03/2006 10:13:40 Edited by: Zeron Zeth on 22/03/2006 10:12:42
you dont know ****zly look heres the proof: 2006.03.15 07:59
Victim: ThaSpot Alliance: None Corp: FM Corp Destroyed: Ferox System: Oijanen Security: 0.4
Involved parties:
Name: Zeron Zeth (laid the final blow) Security: 1.2 Alliance: None Corp: Beyond Divinity Inc Ship: Ishkur Weapon: Valkyrie II
Name: Guristas Anarchist / Guristas
2006.03.16 08:54
Victim: Daynan Alliance: Morsus Mihi Corp: hirr Destroyed: Apocalypse System: Otosela Security: 0.2
Involved parties:
Name: Zeron Zeth (laid the final blow) Security: -0.2 Alliance: None Corp: Beyond Divinity Inc Ship: Ishkur Weapon: Warrior II
Destroyed items:
2006.03.19 17:07
Victim: Jahnweh Alliance: Stella Nova United Corp: Shattered Light Destroyed: Lachesis System: EOA-ZC Security: 0.0
Involved parties:
Name: Zeron Zeth (laid the final blow) Security: -0.2 Alliance: None Corp: Beyond Divinity Inc Ship: Ishkur Weapon: Valkyrie II
Destroyed items:
so dont come here and say that a af cant do anything and is pointless.....ok, if the pilot is very good, your chances are slim, but just by lookin at these posts proves that not to many pilots are that good
any ship can be good, you just have to have the balls to fight properly and stop fillin low slots with wcs and fight to the death
this is zeron zeths alt btw :P
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Zylatis
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Posted - 2006.03.22 10:16:00 -
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Quote: AFs do some things well. Killing ships bigger than them is not one of them.
*******s. Ive killed many a cruiser and even BC ALONE in my harpy, and not always sniping. I suggest you dont knock it till uve tried it. its lots of fun :)
*Z loves his harpy*
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Celador Nane
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Posted - 2006.03.22 10:17:00 -
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Edited by: Celador Nane on 22/03/2006 10:18:23
Originally by: Dorogan Multikill Edited by: Dorogan Multikill on 22/03/2006 10:13:40 Edited by: Zeron Zeth on 22/03/2006 10:12:42
you dont know ****zly look heres the proof: 2006.03.15 07:59
Victim: ThaSpot Alliance: None Corp: FM Corp Destroyed: Ferox System: Oijanen Security: 0.4
Involved parties:
Name: Zeron Zeth (laid the final blow) Security: 1.2 Alliance: None Corp: Beyond Divinity Inc Ship: Ishkur Weapon: Valkyrie II
Name: Guristas Anarchist / Guristas
2006.03.16 08:54
Victim: Daynan Alliance: Morsus Mihi Corp: hirr Destroyed: Apocalypse System: Otosela Security: 0.2
Involved parties:
Name: Zeron Zeth (laid the final blow) Security: -0.2 Alliance: None Corp: Beyond Divinity Inc Ship: Ishkur Weapon: Warrior II
Destroyed items:
2006.03.19 17:07
Victim: Jahnweh Alliance: Stella Nova United Corp: Shattered Light Destroyed: Lachesis System: EOA-ZC Security: 0.0
Involved parties:
Name: Zeron Zeth (laid the final blow) Security: -0.2 Alliance: None Corp: Beyond Divinity Inc Ship: Ishkur Weapon: Valkyrie II
Destroyed items:
so dont come here and say that a af cant do anything and is pointless.....ok, if the pilot is very good, your chances are slim, but just by lookin at these posts proves that not to many pilots are that good
any ship can be good, you just have to have the balls to fight properly and stop fillin low slots with wcs and fight to the death
So u killed a ferrox while he was npcing
Ive solod a megathron in a taranis, but it dont meant anything, its situational and he was probly a noob. A decently setup ferrox with good skills would have pwned you.
Also u aint meant to post killmails.
Edit * Also noticed no modules on the deathmails, were they fitted to mine/travel?
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Zeron Zeth
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Posted - 2006.03.22 10:20:00 -
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Edited by: Zeron Zeth on 22/03/2006 10:22:28 Edited by: Zeron Zeth on 22/03/2006 10:22:11 im just saying its possible...the only reason it doesnt happen that much is cus most peeps in eve are cowards when it comes to fighting bigger ships. The only reason i posted the kill mails was to prove a point...that af's are useful, destroyers are crap in comparison and that people shouldnt always think the smaller ships are useless. i didnt post the mods cus it would take up more room. the apoc was the only one fitted to mine, the ferox was npcing, the recon ship had agreed to a 1vs1 against me and the rest i dont remember, but they didnt have mining setups on _______________________________________________
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wierchas noobhunter
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Posted - 2006.03.22 10:27:00 -
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Originally by: Dorogan Multikill Edited by: Dorogan Multikill on 22/03/2006 10:14:54 Edited by: Dorogan Multikill on 22/03/2006 10:13:40 Edited by: Zeron Zeth on 22/03/2006 10:12:42
you dont know ****zly look heres the proof: 2006.03.15 07:59
Victim: ThaSpot Alliance: None Corp: FM Corp Destroyed: Ferox System: Oijanen Security: 0.4
Involved parties:
Name: Zeron Zeth (laid the final blow) Security: 1.2 Alliance: None Corp: Beyond Divinity Inc Ship: Ishkur Weapon: Valkyrie II
Name: Guristas Anarchist / Guristas
2006.03.16 08:54
Victim: Daynan Alliance: Morsus Mihi Corp: hirr Destroyed: Apocalypse System: Otosela Security: 0.2
Involved parties:
Name: Zeron Zeth (laid the final blow) Security: -0.2 Alliance: None Corp: Beyond Divinity Inc Ship: Ishkur Weapon: Warrior II
Destroyed items:
2006.03.19 17:07
Victim: Jahnweh Alliance: Stella Nova United Corp: Shattered Light Destroyed: Lachesis System: EOA-ZC Security: 0.0
Involved parties:
Name: Zeron Zeth (laid the final blow) Security: -0.2 Alliance: None Corp: Beyond Divinity Inc Ship: Ishkur Weapon: Valkyrie II
Destroyed items:
so dont come here and say that a af cant do anything and is pointless.....ok, if the pilot is very good, your chances are slim, but just by lookin at these posts proves that not to many pilots are that good
any ship can be good, you just have to have the balls to fight properly and stop fillin low slots with wcs and fight to the death
this is zeron zeths alt btw :P
ehm... oki
OMG run for teh hillzzzz cos we can gang any bad setuped ferox !!!
ORLY ?
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wierchas noobhunter
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Posted - 2006.03.22 10:30:00 -
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Originally by: Testy Mctest
Originally by: Tas Devil
Originally by: Yaro AF suxx...good caracal pilot will kill any AF anytime
care to come to ewok-k and show me this with your uber caracal?
Although his point is irrelevent since most AFs are raped by cruisers, you're wrong also, since any properly set up Caracal will kill any AF with little to no trouble. Especially with precision missiles.
Same goes for any cruiser, though, really. Come to Syndicate and show me your uber AF that can beat my Rupture *or* my Stabber :)
AFs do some things well. Killing ships bigger than them is not one of them.
af is not bad in pvp its fast and agile not bad in gangs but if u wana fight 1x1 with cruiser u will die most times i think af is much better ship for 0.0 rating then solo pvp ship
join BioMass Cartel or die argggg
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Testy Mctest
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Posted - 2006.03.22 10:44:00 -
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Originally by: Dorogan Multikill <snip:killmails>
Posting killmails isnt allowed, btw.
Obviously you can kill things in an AF. Its not like they dont have guns or a tank, or anything. But they're not as good at the job as other ships (eg, inties) and therein lies the problem. Also, for many people, they're an expensive ship to lose.
Especially Gistii fitted Harpies :P
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Louis DelaBlanche
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Posted - 2006.03.22 11:02:00 -
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personally i want to get an assault frigate when i get the skills for it, though like other ppl have listed it has its limitations as a class. For the price you can get a more all round vessel that would certainly suit an unspecialised pilot more. Its pvp credentials are good, but not great for the price unless ur in a team. Finally, pve means you can do higher lvl missions, but you can do them in other vessels too & as for belt rat hunting, you can take out anything smaller then a bc in a tech one frigate easily enough & with the right skills probably even bigger ships. _______________________________________________ I am what I am & more besides that which makes me me |
Alyth
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Posted - 2006.03.22 11:06:00 -
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Edited by: Alyth on 22/03/2006 11:07:11
Originally by: Celador Nane
So u killed a ferrox while he was npcing
Ive solod a megathron in a taranis, but it dont meant anything, its situational and he was probly a noob. A decently setup ferrox with good skills would have pwned you.
Also u aint meant to post killmails.
Edit * Also noticed no modules on the deathmails, were they fitted to mine/travel?
*******s...a ferox does roughly 9 maybe 15 if he uses EM damage per missile to my harpy and will have a hard time hitting it with rails if he's smart and doing any kind of transversal. It has to set up specifically to hunt frigates for it to be effective. Assault frigates eat cruisers alive, especially the Ishkur, which I also fly. Sure you could warp in at 15km in a stabber or rax or whatever. I'll just launch my drones, web you and orbit at 11km (domi webs 4tw) with my afterburner going and use my antimatter loaded rails to pick you to pieces.
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2006.03.22 11:18:00 -
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Originally by: Tas Devil
Originally by: Yaro AF suxx...good caracal pilot will kill any AF anytime
care to come to ewok-k and show me this with your uber caracal?
I think he's probably just copying my setup.
I can confidently take on 3 AFs at once in my Caracal.
Considering I 3 volley them with precisions... they don't last very long
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SmokeMeAKipper
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Posted - 2006.03.22 11:19:00 -
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My Wolf v cruisers
I have won many of these fights and only ever lost one - that was to a double Nos running Rupture with a skilled pilot.
AF beats standard cruiser no prob
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Jon Hawkes
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Posted - 2006.03.22 11:20:00 -
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My main gripe with Tech II frigates in Eve is that most Interceptors, which are supposed to be tacklers, get insanely high damage bonuses, as well as having the speed and agility to get out of harm's way very quickly if the situation turns nasty.
It's no wonder that, especially in 0.0, the world and his wife flies an Interceptor. When you have the manouverability to pick your fights, together with a flat 50% bonus to certain weapons types as well as further bonuses for the Interceptor skill (Claw, Crow, Taranis), there is very little need for slower Assault Frigates. This would also seem to explain why Interceptors like the Raptor, Ares and the Stiletto are less popular.
Personally, I'd love to see Interceptors losing their massive damage bonuses and get bonuses for webifier and warp scrambler range, thus leaving AFs, which are supposed to be "powerful frigates built for all-out combat" to follow in to do the real damage.
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Lucus Ranger
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Posted - 2006.03.22 11:20:00 -
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*Lucus hugs his AF*
They are great for hit & run tactics and can hold their own effectivly enough. Although I don't usually engage the higher tier cruisers in one... It can get a bit messy... sometimes...
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Lucus Ranger
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Posted - 2006.03.22 11:21:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari
Originally by: Tas Devil
Originally by: Yaro AF suxx...good caracal pilot will kill any AF anytime
care to come to ewok-k and show me this with your uber caracal?
I think he's probably just copying my setup.
I can confidently take on 3 AFs at once in my Caracal.
Considering I 3 volley them with precisions... they don't last very long
Hmmm
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2006.03.22 11:23:00 -
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Edited by: Dark Shikari on 22/03/2006 11:23:43 bah double post
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2006.03.22 11:24:00 -
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Originally by: Lucus Ranger
Originally by: Dark Shikari
Originally by: Tas Devil
Originally by: Yaro AF suxx...good caracal pilot will kill any AF anytime
care to come to ewok-k and show me this with your uber caracal?
I think he's probably just copying my setup.
I can confidently take on 3 AFs at once in my Caracal.
Considering I 3 volley them with precisions... they don't last very long
Hmmm
/me checks killboard
/me finds Lucus Ranger on my recent kills list with an Enyo.
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Lucus Ranger
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Posted - 2006.03.22 11:26:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari
Originally by: Lucus Ranger
Originally by: Dark Shikari
Originally by: Tas Devil
Originally by: Yaro AF suxx...good caracal pilot will kill any AF anytime
care to come to ewok-k and show me this with your uber caracal?
I think he's probably just copying my setup.
I can confidently take on 3 AFs at once in my Caracal.
Considering I 3 volley them with precisions... they don't last very long
Hmmm
/me checks killboard
/me finds Lucus Ranger on my recent kills list with an Enyo.
Just lucky I didn't have an exp hardener and blasters
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wierchas noobhunter
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Posted - 2006.03.22 11:28:00 -
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yo lucus
join BioMass Cartel or die argggg
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Ras Blumin
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Posted - 2006.03.22 11:30:00 -
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Edited by: Ras Blumin on 22/03/2006 11:32:31
Originally by: Alyth Sure you could warp in at 15km in a stabber or rax or whatever. I'll just launch my drones, web you and orbit at 11km (domi webs 4tw) with my afterburner going and use my antimatter loaded rails to pick you to pieces.
But then you get webbed by MY domi web, get nossed by 2 medium nos and die horribly.
btw, saying you can pwn using faction mods is kinda stupid.
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