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Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
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Posted - 2014.01.15 10:58:00 -
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hello everyone,
recently I tried a vargur in angel anos but I'm getting just 20m ticks and wonder what I'm doing wrong.
Its 1400 arty vargur with 3x faction damage mods, 2 TE, 2 TC and some tank. I'm not using bastion because tank is holding without it pretty well so far, done havens and sanctum but, well, max tick was 21.x mil which is pretty disappointing IMO. All skills are pretty max, marauder V, gunnery spec IV.
Please post your fits here and what anomalies you're running with it, i'm curious. |
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
2406
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Posted - 2014.01.15 13:01:00 -
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Lose mjd, switch TEs for dual web, use bastion when you need more range Oh god. |
Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
710
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Posted - 2014.01.15 13:16:00 -
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Riot Girl wrote:Lose mjd, switch TEs for dual web, use bastion when you need more range
these things dont fit together at all.
TE's are low slow mods, you probably mean TC but how useful is web for arty ship when you keep enemy at range?
Tried AC before and it sucked, you spend all time chasing angel battleships while doing half or even less DPS.
By using bastion and dropping TC for useless webs I'd end up with basically same optimal but 20km less fall off, whats the point? |
crazy0146
Eternal Darkness. Get Off My Lawn
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Posted - 2014.01.15 13:21:00 -
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"Bastion doesnt give more range, its just for tank"
Um yeah go look at the mods description again. |
Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
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Posted - 2014.01.15 13:23:00 -
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crazy0146 wrote:"Bastion doesnt give more range, its just for tank"
Um yeah go look at the mods description again.
yeah yeah already fixed my post.
I wont run bastion where I'm ratting now, just wondering if 20m tick is best you can get with an unbastioned vargur. |
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
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Posted - 2014.01.15 14:09:00 -
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Well you can use arty if you prefer but that's obviously going to affect your earnings due to crappy damage, long cycles and no scan res mods. Oh god. |
Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
710
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Posted - 2014.01.15 14:18:00 -
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Riot Girl wrote:Well you can use arty if you prefer but that's obviously going to affect your earnings due to crappy damage, long cycles and no scan res mods.
lmao I think you have simply no clue about what you post.
scanres? Wtf? How is that affected by guns and why is it an issue, usually you got enough time to prelock everything you wanna shoot.
If you run autocannons you're DPS is even worse since you're chasing NPC which orbit you at 50km, far in fall off of your guns. |
Anize Oramara
S T R A T C O M Ragnarok.
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Posted - 2014.01.15 14:48:00 -
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Riot Girl wrote:Well you can use arty if you prefer but that's obviously going to affect your earnings due to crappy damage, long cycles and no scan res mods. and overkill kills your dps as well even with guns ungrouped.
that said heres what id do: drop a TE for another gyro and drop the mjd for either a sebo or another tc. when you land at 100km off deploy a mobile depo and switch to mjd when needed.
add two bouncer2s and a drone link array.
but really you are using the vargur all wrong. you are ignoring its two greatest strengths: bastion and long range ACs.
id suggest you fit 800s.use fution on close orbiting rats with full tracking scripts then switch to barrage with full range script all the while in bastion mode tanking like a baller. use valkyries or hammerheads. 4gyros, te, two TCs. a 3 slot t2 tank tanks as much or more as your expensive pith x fit in bastion. for rigs an ambit rig instead of a ccc. use nos in highs for additional cap from a close orbiting bs (you can fit two)
all v I get 892/2005 t2 tank 1321 dps with 80km falloff with fusion or 1085 dps with 124km falloff.
that is with 5% cap, damage and rof implants. (get them, even 3%!)
ill post pics when I get home.
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Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
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Posted - 2014.01.15 14:49:00 -
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Robert Caldera wrote:scanres? Wtf? How is that affected by guns and why is it an issue, usually you got enough time to prelock everything you wanna shoot. Locking things faster means you can apply DPS sooner, especially when it comes to smaller stuff like frigs and cruisers.
Quote:If you run autocannons you're DPS is even worse since you're chasing NPC which orbit you at 50km, far in fall off of your guns. I thought Angels BSes prefered to get close, like 20km close. Oh god. |
Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
710
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Posted - 2014.01.15 15:00:00 -
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Riot Girl wrote: I thought Angels BSes prefered to get close, like 20km close.
some of them orbit at 36 or 39.
http://eveinfo.com/npcships/594/eve-online-deadspace-angel-cartel-battleship.html |
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Anize Oramara
S T R A T C O M Ragnarok.
115
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Posted - 2014.01.15 15:31:00 -
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Disclaimer: I've never actually ratted in null and EFT is in no way an acceptable replacement for actual game play experience.
First pic is the fit, no implants (Need a cheap genolution for cpu)
http://i.imgur.com/oa82nTe.png
Resistance profile is 3 EM, 3 Explosive, 1 Kinetic and 1 Therm. Just a quick guesstimate based on the earlier link.
Second pic is the damage graph.
http://i.imgur.com/SLYDi76.png
It's not actually worth it to even switch to barrage unless they spawn more than 47km out. The rats all orbit closer than 40km and you still do over 1000dps at 40km, lol.
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Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
712
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Posted - 2014.01.15 15:46:00 -
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ok its based on a bastion mod, which I wasnt planning to use, so vargur is probably wrong ship for that. With no bastion I was struggling to tank BS rats at their optimal.
Should use machariel maybe. |
Anize Oramara
S T R A T C O M Ragnarok.
115
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Posted - 2014.01.15 15:49:00 -
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Robert Caldera wrote:ok its based on a bastion mod, which I wasnt planning to use, so vargur is probably wrong ship for that. With no bastion I was struggling to tank BS rats at their optimal.
Should use machariel maybe.
eeeeyup |
Aeril Malkyre
Knights of the Ouroboros
313
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Posted - 2014.01.15 19:08:00 -
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As someone who flies Vargur on the regular: Drop the artillery, drop the MJD. Fit 800mm AC's and a 100MN MWD. Kill the frigates from warp in range as they burn toward you. Then light the MWD, get in there and fight. Artillery is too slow, and running away trying to maintain your range takes time. Most Angel BS's will gladly meet you in the melee.
I ran artillery for a long time, equating distance with safety. Plus hearing the giant guns go off is awesome. But AC's kill faster, and if you're looking for ticks, you want to kill faster. Stop orbiting and take it into their teeth. If things go absolutely ****, hit the Bastion. If you're worried about getting chewed up (though you shouldn't be with all that bling), replace a TC with an Invuln. Live in falloff, and learn to love it.
That's what I do. |
Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
712
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Posted - 2014.01.15 19:56:00 -
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Aeril Malkyre wrote:As someone who flies Vargur on the regular: Drop the artillery, drop the MJD. Fit 800mm AC's and a 100MN MWD. Kill the frigates from warp in range as they burn toward you. Then light the MWD, get in there and fight. Artillery is too slow, and running away trying to maintain your range takes time. Most Angel BS's will gladly meet you in the melee.
I ran artillery for a long time, equating distance with safety. Plus hearing the giant guns go off is awesome. But AC's kill faster, and if you're looking for ticks, you want to kill faster. Stop orbiting and take it into their teeth. If things go absolutely ****, hit the Bastion. If you're worried about getting chewed up (though you shouldn't be with all that bling), replace a TC with an Invuln. Live in falloff, and learn to love it.
That's what I do.
well ok will try AC again, I guess. thanks. |
Mina Sebiestar
Mactabilis Simplex Cursus
592
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Posted - 2014.01.15 19:57:00 -
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found your problem you are doing 760 dps 5 sentry drones from dominix out dps you(while having superior optimal and tracking that you will never have)...hint artys are bad. http://i.imgur.com/1N37t.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/KTjFEt6.jpg I dont always fly stabber but when i do...
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Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
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Posted - 2014.01.15 22:47:00 -
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nah AC still suck balls, measly damage at 40km where most BS are orbiting, cap running dry in few minutes cus I need large booster running all the time, you need drones close range to kill frig rats which in return shoot and kill drones pretty quickly (even with a NOS), and all this was just in a Forlorn Hub Anomaly. |
Dato Koppla
PillowFighters Inc Stealth Wear Inc.
467
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Posted - 2014.01.16 03:18:00 -
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I don't know about how the Vargur performs with ACs but an AC Mach will demolish these sites, losing dps to falloff isn't a problem when you can close distance at 1500m/s easily. Solution: Sell Vargur, get Mach. |
Heavensend
HaeCo interim
15
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Posted - 2014.01.16 22:08:00 -
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Use AC. Do only Forsaken Hubs. Warp in at 0. Kill a battlecruiser in the middle of the initial spawn. Get to wreck from that BC. When you have reached it align to safe pos. Deploy 2 sentries or if you fly a Machariel 4 and start shooting BS first. If done right next spawn will only about 2-4km from you. Again shoot BS first. If you can afford use a faction Web to the target you are shooting. You will also need this webifier for the low orbiting elite cruisers (Marauder). Third advantage of that webifier my drones never got agro from any elite frig if I webbed one of them. If you equip also a smart bomb you will be able to kill all elite frigs in spawn 3 or 4 at once. No need to move if done right no BS will reach more than 20km distance before killed. Have done this exactly that way with a Macha BS skills 4 and only faction sentries. Ticks were round about 36m ISK. Now I can fly Vargur and use T2 sentries. I would prefer Vargur now. Much cheaper to fit more tank less damage than Macha but awesome falloff. And bastion mode may safe your ship until your reinforcements arrive if you get caught by a neut. |
Fronkfurter McSheebleton
The Graduates RAZOR Alliance
263
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Posted - 2014.01.17 07:32:00 -
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Torp golem or CNR would be reasonably fast, if you can use it...? thhief ghabmoef |
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