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Fix Lag
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Posted - 2014.01.15 18:10:00 -
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5% less income is not enough. The evil dirty blobbers must be forced to pay for their crimes. CCP, show those terrible people that there is a price that must be paid for living outside of the law! |
ElQuirko
Black Dragon Fighting Society The Devil's Tattoo
3187
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Posted - 2014.01.15 18:17:00 -
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What's 10% of f*** all? Dodixie > Hek |
Fix Lag
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Posted - 2014.01.15 18:18:00 -
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ElQuirko wrote:What's 10% of fuck all?
about tree fiddy |
Carmen Electra
The Scope Gallente Federation
213
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Posted - 2014.01.15 18:24:00 -
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IKR? |
Fix Lag
625
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Posted - 2014.01.15 18:44:00 -
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You know what goes through my mind every time I rat? "Man, I'm just making waaaaay too much money here. This is unfair to the good people of highsec, what with all the burdens they have to go through to earn a living." |
Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
4321
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Posted - 2014.01.15 18:49:00 -
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Fix Lag wrote:You know what goes through my mind every time I rat? "Man, I'm just making waaaaay too much money here. This is unfair to the good people of highsec, what with all the burdens they have to go through to earn a living."
Man me too, I'm all like "look at all this officer loot the CCP just teleports to me, I'ma buy 10 years worth of plex.
Then I think "naw, Star Citizen is gonna kill EVE and Icelanders don't give refunds (just ask the UK)". |
MatrixSkye Mk2
Republic University Minmatar Republic
684
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Posted - 2014.01.15 18:54:00 -
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Fix Lag wrote:You know what goes through my mind every time I rat? "Man, I'm just making waaaaay too much money here. This is unfair to the good people of highsec, what with all the burdens they have to go through to earn a living." You know what goes through my mind every time I see one of these threads? "Man, those power bloc alliances just keep hording crap space and moons that they really don't want. This is unfair to the good people and leaders of null sec. Us folk in hi sec should just surrender our play styles and fun to them so they can finally be happy. They deserve it." |
stationmonkey
Synthetic Arbitration Shadow of the Hegemon
10
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Posted - 2014.01.15 18:56:00 -
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something tells me you didn't read the fine print. they are actually buffing the nullsec income for discerning players by 5%
Fly True, Strike Sure, and Keep Up!
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Fix Lag
629
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Posted - 2014.01.15 19:11:00 -
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stationmonkey wrote:something tells me you didn't read the fine print. they are actually buffing the nullsec income for discerning players by 5%
THIS IS AN OUTRAGE
WHAT A BUNCH OF UNDESERVING INGRATES |
Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
4322
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Posted - 2014.01.15 19:19:00 -
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stationmonkey wrote:something tells me you didn't read the fine print. they are actually buffing the nullsec income for discerning players by 5%
Fly True, Strike Sure, and Keep Up!
Stationmonkey
What they are really buffing in interceptor income.
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Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
9224
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Posted - 2014.01.15 19:30:00 -
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Yes..nerf nullsec all you want.... all youll succeed in doing is bringing all of us ingrates from nullsec into highsec...and then guess who were going to want to play with...
That's right. We are going to want to 'play' with all you risk adverse, introvert highseccers.... and I don't think youre all going to like our nullsec style shenanignas in your backyards... Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |
Lipbite
Express Hauler
1726
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Posted - 2014.01.15 19:31:00 -
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stationmonkey wrote:by 5% Less income means more GTC sales. 5% is just the beginning. In next patch prepare to see deployables which cut income by 50%. |
Usagi Toshiro
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
58
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Posted - 2014.01.15 19:43:00 -
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Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:Yes..nerf nullsec all you want.... all youll succeed in doing is bringing all of us ingrates from nullsec into highsec...and then guess who were going to want to play with...
That's right. We are going to want to 'play' with all you risk adverse, introvert highseccers.... and I don't think youre all going to like our nullsec style shenanignas in your backyards...
Allow capitals in Highsec.
/thread |
DRGaius Baltar
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
81
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Posted - 2014.01.15 19:49:00 -
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Fix Lag wrote:5% less income is not enough. The evil dirty blobbers must be forced to pay for their crimes. CCP, show those terrible people that there is a price that must be paid for living outside of the law!
:*( |
Bundi Panala
State War Academy Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2014.01.15 19:51:00 -
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Living in null is punishment enough. |
PotatoOverdose
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
893
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Posted - 2014.01.15 19:55:00 -
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You know what the best way to prove your point is? Actually moving to hisec. If CCP sees truly large numbers moving out of null into hisec, they'll take action. They'll judge you on what you do, not what you say.
Until then, all of this is just empty blather. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
13565
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Posted - 2014.01.15 20:02:00 -
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PotatoOverdose wrote:You know what the best way to prove your point is? Actually moving to hisec. If CCP sees truly large numbers moving out of null into hisec, they'll take action. They'll judge you on what you do, not what you say.
Until then, all of this is just empty blather.
Well that actually happened a few years ago. So your theory is what? If just one more dude moves, that'll trigger a change?
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Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
2183
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Posted - 2014.01.15 20:04:00 -
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Fix Lag wrote:You know what goes through my mind every time I rat? "Man, I'm just making waaaaay too much money here. This is unfair to the good people of highsec, what with all the burdens they have to go through to earn a living."
The difference between you & Warren Buffet is that he's not being sarcastic. Nullsec in a Nutshell: http://nedroid.com/comics/2006-08-24-2155-arrrdino.gif |
Notorious Fellon
Republic University Minmatar Republic
110
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Posted - 2014.01.15 20:04:00 -
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PotatoOverdose wrote:You know what the best way to prove your point is? Actually moving to hisec. If CCP sees truly large numbers moving out of null into hisec, they'll take action. They'll judge you on what you do, not what you say.
Until then, all of this is just empty blather.
Move for real too; don't just swap to an alt and run missions while your Nullsec ISK faucets are passively padding your wallet.
Actually pack up your POS's and get out.
I assure you, null would remain populated. PI income alone makes it worth it to *suffer*. Many would love to have access to those moons and planets; not to mention the anoms and sigs. |
PotatoOverdose
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
895
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Posted - 2014.01.15 20:10:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:PotatoOverdose wrote:You know what the best way to prove your point is? Actually moving to hisec. If CCP sees truly large numbers moving out of null into hisec, they'll take action. They'll judge you on what you do, not what you say.
Until then, all of this is just empty blather. Well that actually happened a few years ago. So your theory is what? If just one more dude moves, that'll trigger a change? I'm pretty sure if nullsec was utterly deserted, it would trigger a change in CCP. To assume otherwise is disingenuous at best.
I stand by what I said, empty blather until people actually start moving out. So by all means, pack up and leave. See what happens. |
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Ptraci
3 R Corporation Boarderline Cartel
1689
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Posted - 2014.01.15 20:13:00 -
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Only carebears rat for bounties in nullsec. You make a lot more isk from selling BPC's and faction/deadspace loot than you do from bounties. So yeah, your lack of understanding of how nullsec actually works leads to a nerf on lazy carebears. Please nerf away. Pew is still the same. |
Ptraci
3 R Corporation Boarderline Cartel
1689
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Posted - 2014.01.15 20:19:00 -
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Notorious Fellon wrote: Move for real too; don't just swap to an alt and run missions while your Nullsec ISK faucets are passively padding your wallet.
Pray tell, what "nullsec ISK faucets" pad a wallet? I know about invention and PI and moon mining, all valid nullsec activities. However all that does is give me blueprints and planetary commodities and moon goo. Try to buy something with Thulium and see how it goes. The market only accepts ISK. You can only pad your wallet with ISK. Increasing your stockpile of materials is not an "ISK faucet", anymore than someone who mines veldspar is "earning ISK".
L2 eve economy before you make yourself sound silly with comments like this. |
Notorious Fellon
Republic University Minmatar Republic
110
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Posted - 2014.01.15 20:24:00 -
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Ptraci wrote:Notorious Fellon wrote: Move for real too; don't just swap to an alt and run missions while your Nullsec ISK faucets are passively padding your wallet.
Pray tell, what "nullsec ISK faucets" pad a wallet? I know about invention and PI and moon mining, all valid nullsec activities. However all that does is give me blueprints and planetary commodities and moon goo. Try to buy something with Thulium and see how it goes. The market only accepts ISK. You can only pad your wallet with ISK. Increasing your stockpile of materials is not an "ISK faucet", anymore than someone who mines veldspar is "earning ISK". L2 eve economy before you make yourself sound silly with comments like this.
Moon goo and PI in nullsec do not make ISK. News at 11:00.
Stop splitting hairs. |
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
1088
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Posted - 2014.01.15 21:16:00 -
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Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:Yes..nerf nullsec all you want.... all youll succeed in doing is bringing all of us ingrates from nullsec into highsec...and then guess who were going to want to play with...
That's right. We are going to want to 'play' with all you risk adverse, introvert highseccers.... and I don't think youre all going to like our nullsec style shenanignas in your backyards...
Nullbears already pussify hisec on the daily with their alts. Bringing mains to Hisec also would just make null 100% bots and therefore even safer. Accounts may not be used for business purposes. Access to the System and playing EVE is intended for your personal entertainment, enjoyment and recreation, and not for corporate, business, commercial or income-seeking activities.-á |
Otto VanNavita
X-Prot Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere
2
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Posted - 2014.01.15 21:41:00 -
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Hate crap like this.
maybe time to stop subing and try other mmo;s |
MatrixSkye Mk2
Republic University Minmatar Republic
684
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Posted - 2014.01.15 21:49:00 -
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Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:Yes..nerf nullsec all you want.... all youll succeed in doing is bringing all of us ingrates from nullsec into highsec...and then guess who were going to want to play with...
That's right. We are going to want to 'play' with all you risk adverse, introvert highseccers.... and I don't think youre all going to like our nullsec style shenanignas in your backyards... But I thought null sec players were already in hi sec with their alts . |
Frostys Virpio
Lame Corp Name
964
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Posted - 2014.01.15 21:53:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:PotatoOverdose wrote:You know what the best way to prove your point is? Actually moving to hisec. If CCP sees truly large numbers moving out of null into hisec, they'll take action. They'll judge you on what you do, not what you say.
Until then, all of this is just empty blather. Well that actually happened a few years ago. So your theory is what? If just one more dude moves, that'll trigger a change?
For them to actaully change stuff, I think you will need more than train an alt to farm lvl 4. If all your toons were out of null all the time and if many people actaully did that inseadt fo just farming in High to finance whatever they do in Null, the Null activity would go down a noticable amount. Stop all the wars, make all the space completely unused and they will notice. |
Kryptik Kai
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
5074
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Posted - 2014.01.15 21:54:00 -
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Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:nullsec style shenanignas
NOOOOO "Shiny.-á Lets be bad guys." -Jayne Cobb |
Fix Sov
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2014.01.15 22:53:00 -
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Ptraci wrote:Only carebears rat for bounties in nullsec. You make a lot more isk from selling BPC's and faction/deadspace loot than you do from bounties. So yeah, your lack of understanding of how nullsec actually works leads to a nerf on lazy carebears. Please nerf away. Pew is still the same. So what would happen if we were to take this line of logic and apply it to the swell people of hisec? |
Fix Lag
640
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Posted - 2014.01.15 22:53:00 -
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I can't wait until CCP forces those nullsec ratters to waste yet more time shooting red crosses. Keep up the good work, CCP! |
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Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
158
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Posted - 2014.01.15 23:37:00 -
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Well, my nullsec friends insist that people who care about ISK are just dirty carebears and EVE is really about awesome PvP and tears :D ... so presumably no-one will care if null income gets nerfed. |
Sointu Luonnotar
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
88
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Posted - 2014.01.16 00:54:00 -
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"Nerf nullsec" hah! This is the first time I've ever seen anything resembling a nullsec nerf (and let's be honest, it's not - the devblog says right there you can actually get 105% income!) and I've been at this game for seven years. Null always gets the best and most of everything new. This isn't the exception. |
Fix Sov
5
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Posted - 2014.01.16 00:59:00 -
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Sointu Luonnotar wrote:"Nerf nullsec" hah! This is the first time I've ever seen anything resembling a nullsec nerf Then you haven't been paying attention. The current sov system is too heavily reliant on the defender saving systems by stuffing as many people as possible into the system for the final timer, instead of incentivizing attacking (and defending) multiple systems at the same time by splitting their forces into multiple fleets and using actual intelligence/strategy. This must change. |
Eram Fidard
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
690
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Posted - 2014.01.16 01:15:00 -
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Time to liquidate all my billions in officer loot that CCP spawned in my hangars and buy catalysts. Poster is not to be held responsible for damages to keyboards and/or noses caused by hot beverages. |
Fix Lag
645
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Posted - 2014.01.16 01:15:00 -
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I don't know about you all but I thoroughly enjoy a massive kick in the nuts from CCP every time I want to make money in the space I earned. CCP mostly sucks at their job, but Veritas is a pretty cool dude. |
La Nariz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1413
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Posted - 2014.01.16 01:22:00 -
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Fix Lag wrote:I don't know about you all but I thoroughly enjoy a massive kick in the nuts from CCP every time I want to make money in the space I earned.
The space you earned, developed and have to defend 24/7 without super magic goku police helping you. This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
8485
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Posted - 2014.01.16 01:58:00 -
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I was wondering how long it was going to take before some ~maverick~ CCP dev thinks he's outsmarted the players and gone all "**** you I know what's best for you" and pushes through a wildly unpopular change that adversely affects a large number of players. My EVE Videos |
Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
4336
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Posted - 2014.01.16 02:06:00 -
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No matter what CCP does with this ESS, we'll adapt to it (i'm adapting right now, Lanngisi is cool this time of year lol), what we've tried to tell CCP is don't repeat the history of the anom nerf, but it seems to fall on deaf ears.
Oh well, high Sec guys, get ready for a FLOOD of nullbears all up in yo bidness :) . |
Tzar Sinak
Mythic Heights
96
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Posted - 2014.01.16 02:07:00 -
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Hmmm, interesting. I hope the null sec ratting botters put the ESS up in their favourate systems. After all their income will increase by 5% right?That leaves me to visit said systems and acquire their hard earned iskies. Yup, this will be fun. Thanks CCP. |
Nyan Lafisques
Legion Du Lys Insidious Empire
4
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Posted - 2014.01.16 02:11:00 -
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I support this decision. Being in Dronelands, I'm privileged with the most better rats in the universe, whit sub-par bounties and no loot. In fact, nerf it 15% ! |
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MatrixSkye Mk2
Republic University Minmatar Republic
686
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Posted - 2014.01.16 03:03:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Oh well, high Sec guys, get ready for a FLOOD of nullbears all up in yo bidness :) . Not that I agree with the ESS mechanics and overall "nerf", but this is why I have ZERO sympathy for your tears. You can manage to turn any of your frustrations and misery into an issue against hi sec players. Hi sec players had NOTHING to do with this change. And here you are threatening CCP with punching babies if they go through with this change .
You go show CCP who's boss now. Typical bully attitude. |
La Nariz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1417
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Posted - 2014.01.16 03:06:00 -
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MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Oh well, high Sec guys, get ready for a FLOOD of nullbears all up in yo bidness :) . Not that I agree with the ESS mechanics and overall "nerf", but this is why I have ZERO sympathy for your tears. You can manage to turn any of your frustrations and misery into an issue against hi sec players. Hi sec players had NOTHING to do with this change. And here you are threatening CCP with punching babies if they go through with this change . You go show CCP who's boss now. Typical bully attitude.
Highsec players constantly demanding buffs as well as requiring coddling certainly has nothing to do with highsec getting all of the buffs and nullsec getting all of the nerfs. This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. |
MatrixSkye Mk2
Republic University Minmatar Republic
686
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Posted - 2014.01.16 03:11:00 -
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La Nariz wrote:MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Oh well, high Sec guys, get ready for a FLOOD of nullbears all up in yo bidness :) . Not that I agree with the ESS mechanics and overall "nerf", but this is why I have ZERO sympathy for your tears. You can manage to turn any of your frustrations and misery into an issue against hi sec players. Hi sec players had NOTHING to do with this change. And here you are threatening CCP with punching babies if they go through with this change . You go show CCP who's boss now. Typical bully attitude. Highsec players constantly demanding buffs as well as requiring coddling certainly has nothing to do with highsec getting all of the buffs and nullsec getting all of the nerfs. Yup. Us pubbies held a secret council on this one and called it Extermination of Sovereignty Space, hence the ESS. No point in hiding it now. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy The ROC
2104
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Posted - 2014.01.16 03:17:00 -
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MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Oh well, high Sec guys, get ready for a FLOOD of nullbears all up in yo bidness :) . Not that I agree with the ESS mechanics and overall "nerf", but this is why I have ZERO sympathy for your tears. You can manage to turn any of your frustrations and misery into an issue against hi sec players. Hi sec players had NOTHING to do with this change. And here you are threatening CCP with punching babies if they go through with this change . You go show CCP who's boss now. Typical bully attitude.
I believe you misinterpreted his statement.
He means that, if CCP is determined to make an acceptable level of income in their part of space impossible, that they are going to flood highsec to get it there instead. I imagine through Incursions and such.
Your persecution complex is in high dudgeon, though. Coming along nicely. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á |
Genseric Tollaris
SniggWaffe WAFFLES.
17
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Posted - 2014.01.16 03:17:00 -
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Looks like a good time to plan a move to sov null then. Since apparently everyone will clear out and go to high sec, I'll be free to rat away uninterrupted. |
La Nariz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1418
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Posted - 2014.01.16 03:19:00 -
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MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:La Nariz wrote:MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Oh well, high Sec guys, get ready for a FLOOD of nullbears all up in yo bidness :) . Not that I agree with the ESS mechanics and overall "nerf", but this is why I have ZERO sympathy for your tears. You can manage to turn any of your frustrations and misery into an issue against hi sec players. Hi sec players had NOTHING to do with this change. And here you are threatening CCP with punching babies if they go through with this change . You go show CCP who's boss now. Typical bully attitude. Highsec players constantly demanding buffs as well as requiring coddling certainly has nothing to do with highsec getting all of the buffs and nullsec getting all of the nerfs. Yup. Us pubbies held a secret council on this one and called it Extermination of Sovereignty Space, hence the ESS. No point in hiding it now. By the way, hi sec carebears have managed to accomplish "getting high sec all of the buffs and nullsec getting all of the nerfs". It's like these creatures are cunning intelligent super-beings, yet dumb pubbies at the same time. Interesting, no?
glad you agree them barge buffs sher were somethin This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. |
MatrixSkye Mk2
Republic University Minmatar Republic
686
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Posted - 2014.01.16 03:25:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Oh well, high Sec guys, get ready for a FLOOD of nullbears all up in yo bidness :) . Not that I agree with the ESS mechanics and overall "nerf", but this is why I have ZERO sympathy for your tears. You can manage to turn any of your frustrations and misery into an issue against hi sec players. Hi sec players had NOTHING to do with this change. And here you are threatening CCP with punching babies if they go through with this change . You go show CCP who's boss now. Typical bully attitude. I believe you misinterpreted his statement. He means that, if CCP is determined to make an acceptable level of income in their part of space impossible, that they are going to flood highsec to get it there instead. I imagine through Incursions and such. Your persecution complex is in high dudgeon, though. Coming along nicely.
Jenn aSide wrote:This time what will go around is more null sec people in high sec because null sec income is getting a nerf. So whle you smile now with glee, you won't be smiling as more and more of us realize that ganking folk in high sec is better isk than ratting now lol. Please, do tell me again how I'm misinterpreting his intentions. |
La Nariz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1418
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Posted - 2014.01.16 03:27:00 -
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MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote: Please, do tell me again how I'm misinterpreting his intentions.
You are misinterpreting my intentions. This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy The ROC
2105
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Posted - 2014.01.16 03:34:00 -
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MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Oh well, high Sec guys, get ready for a FLOOD of nullbears all up in yo bidness :) . Not that I agree with the ESS mechanics and overall "nerf", but this is why I have ZERO sympathy for your tears. You can manage to turn any of your frustrations and misery into an issue against hi sec players. Hi sec players had NOTHING to do with this change. And here you are threatening CCP with punching babies if they go through with this change . You go show CCP who's boss now. Typical bully attitude. I believe you misinterpreted his statement. He means that, if CCP is determined to make an acceptable level of income in their part of space impossible, that they are going to flood highsec to get it there instead. I imagine through Incursions and such. Jenn aSide wrote:This time what will go around is more null sec people in high sec because null sec income is getting a nerf. So whle you smile now with glee, you won't be smiling as more and more of us realize that ganking folk in high sec is better isk than ratting now lol. Incursions and such, eh? Please, do tell me again how I'm misinterpreting his intentions.
The part where, what you just quoted him saying, is neither part of the post you quoted, nor part of this thread?
Yeah, that part. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á |
MatrixSkye Mk2
Republic University Minmatar Republic
686
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Posted - 2014.01.16 03:40:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:The part where, what you just quoted him saying, is neither part of the post you quoted, nor part of this thread?
Yeah, that part.
A h yes, because if he stated this on a different thread, then well, it doesn't count.
By the way, I also find it amusing that all of a sudden, and for the sake of this argument, the consensus now is that suicide-ganking hi sec players is actually profitable! |
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy The ROC
2105
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Posted - 2014.01.16 03:41:00 -
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MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:The part where, what you just quoted him saying, is neither part of the post you quoted, nor part of this thread?
Yeah, that part. A h yes, because if he stated this on a different thread, then well, it doesn't count. By the way, I also find it amusing that all of a sudden, and for the sake of this argument, the consensus now is that suicide-ganking hi sec players is actually profitable!
It certainly can be, but that's largely up to the individual dumbass who overloads his cargo hold.
As for the rest, context much? Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á |
La Nariz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1418
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Posted - 2014.01.16 04:30:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:The part where, what you just quoted him saying, is neither part of the post you quoted, nor part of this thread?
Yeah, that part. A h yes, because if he stated this on a different thread, then well, it doesn't count. By the way, I also find it amusing that all of a sudden, and for the sake of this argument, the consensus now is that suicide-ganking hi sec players is actually profitable! It certainly can be, but that's largely up to the individual dumbass who overloads his cargo hold. As for the rest, context much?
The context is he is very upset by something I said in another thread yet he refused to quote and link to it. Its the standard highsec pseudointellectual crap. I guess we can count ourselves lucky he hasn't demanded double-blind peer-reviewed studies to support every assertion we make.
This ESS is bad in its current form and needs to be revised or restricted to highsec only. This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy The ROC
2105
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Posted - 2014.01.16 04:32:00 -
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La Nariz wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:The part where, what you just quoted him saying, is neither part of the post you quoted, nor part of this thread?
Yeah, that part. A h yes, because if he stated this on a different thread, then well, it doesn't count. By the way, I also find it amusing that all of a sudden, and for the sake of this argument, the consensus now is that suicide-ganking hi sec players is actually profitable! It certainly can be, but that's largely up to the individual dumbass who overloads his cargo hold. As for the rest, context much? The context is he is very upset by something I said in another thread yet he refused to quote and link to it. Its the standard highsec pseudointellectual crap. I guess we can count ourselves lucky he hasn't demanded double-blind peer-reviewed studies to support every assertion we make. This ESS is bad in its current form and needs to be revised or restricted to highsec only.
While I'm sure he's mad at you (plenty of people are just for the words beneath your name), he attributed that quote to Jenn, not to you. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á |
MatrixSkye Mk2
Republic University Minmatar Republic
690
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Posted - 2014.01.16 04:37:00 -
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La Nariz wrote:The context is he is very upset by something I said in another thread yet he refused to quote and link to it. Its the standard highsec pseudointellectual crap. I guess we can count ourselves lucky he hasn't demanded double-blind peer-reviewed studies to support every assertion we make. TBH, I'm not even sure what it is you're rambling about. Are you referring to my reply to Jenn? |
Digital Messiah
Heroic Era
364
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Posted - 2014.01.16 04:56:00 -
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If they nerf high security space who will buy all those shiny officer mods to pimp out their mission fits that will never get paid off?
You guys act like null is the main faucet of isk in eve. Something clever |
Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
1942
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Posted - 2014.01.16 06:42:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:No matter what CCP does with this ESS, we'll adapt to it (i'm adapting right now, Lanngisi is cool this time of year lol), what we've tried to tell CCP is don't repeat the history of the anom nerf, but it seems to fall on deaf ears.
Oh well, high Sec guys, get ready for a FLOOD of nullbears all up in yo bidness :) .
Please, please stop the hyperbole. There will NOT be a flood of null sec ratters heading to high sec for a 5% nerf. I strongly doubt that a 5% drop in bounties will be the tipping point. Now, for a 20% nerf, yeah, I could see it.
BTW, I am on record in the dev blog comments about the ESS stating flat out it is a stupid stupid mechanism.
Further, I very much doubt that flocks of griefer inties will descend upon null sec, dropping these units in every system.
If you want to discuss how moronic this device is as it actually takes income from most line members, in a time when CCP is supposedly trying to create bottom up income in null, that is something valid. Or that in deep deep blue blanketed systems, far from the inties and hot-droppers, this device can be deployed to the advantage of botters and human ratters alike.
Or that the logic justifying the ESS's existence posted by the dev is incredibly poor and easily refuted by the CSM minutes, that is also perfectly valid.
But don't talk about a vast migration from null sec over this. Most people viewed Orwell's writings as a warning. The harper regime and the goons treat them as a guidebook. |
SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2281
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Posted - 2014.01.16 06:47:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote: Further, I very much doubt that flocks of griefer inties will descend upon null sec, dropping these units in every system.
Actually the inties are pretty much already there, they just don't have anything to deploy at the moment. Sit on a main regional entry gate to any populated nullsec region for about an hour. If you don't count about 20 instawarping missile ceptors going through with the occasional pity stilleto I'd be shocked.
If I was going to use this thing as an offensive tool I'd use it more for hotdrop baiting than anything, and I'd go out of my way to do it with ships that would be difficult to counter drop. |
Irya Boone
TIPIAKS
333
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Posted - 2014.01.16 06:53:00 -
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For OP : yes nerf null sec income by 10% and in the same time nerf High sec income by 50% ( no risk no gain ) and increase low sec inc by 300% .. RENAME null sec systems With the name of REAL Universe Stellar Name like KOI-730 etc etc It will be awesome. Need Black Ops be able to FIT cover ops cloaking device !!! |
SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2283
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Posted - 2014.01.16 07:16:00 -
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Irya Boone wrote:For OP : yes nerf null sec income by 10% and in the same time nerf High sec income by 50% ( no risk no gain ) and increase low sec inc by 300% ..
I was always under the impression that if you were willing to you could make decent money in lowsec but the "If you were willing to" was always the hard bit. I mean nullsec has the whole empire building/being part of something bigger as a draw, and even then the people that make isk there are either exploration guys (Limited resource) or people doing anoms (Convenient but not very good resource).
Am I wrong? I don't know much about low sec, and I only really use it as a highway to get my Carrier around. |
Rek Seven
Probe Patrol Polarized.
1298
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Posted - 2014.01.16 09:14:00 -
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The proposed change is fine for the most part. You only lose 5% and but you could potentially earn 20% more, so i don't see what the big deal is.
+1 |
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Kagura Nikon
Mentally Assured Destruction The Pursuit of Happiness
1080
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Posted - 2014.01.16 09:54:00 -
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SmilingVagrant wrote:Irya Boone wrote:For OP : yes nerf null sec income by 10% and in the same time nerf High sec income by 50% ( no risk no gain ) and increase low sec inc by 300% .. I was always under the impression that if you were willing to you could make decent money in lowsec but the "If you were willing to" was always the hard bit. I mean nullsec has the whole empire building/being part of something bigger as a draw, and even then the people that make isk there are either exploration guys (Limited resource) or people doing anoms (Convenient but not very good resource). Am I wrong? I don't know much about low sec, and I only really use it as a highway to get my Carrier around.
you can do isk in FW low sec. In normal Low sec nope.. you cannot match high sec income ( because its a bit larger base income, but you cannot do it all the tiem due to risks, reducing the effective income to lower than high sec).
0.0 is safer thanlow sec.. than helps . "If brute force does not solve your problem..... -áthen you are -ásurely not using enough!" |
Pretty Maria
House Halcyon
4
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Posted - 2014.01.16 12:45:00 -
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Look at all these whiny nullbears goin "MUH ISK/HR YO ITS GUN BE LESS UNLESS I ACTUALLY HAVE TO DO SOMETHING OTHER THAN WARP, RIGHT CLICK, SEND DRONES, RECEIVE KILLS OHNOOOOOOOOO MAH 5% WAAAAAA"
The nullbear tears, are so delicious. |
embrel
BamBam Inc.
101
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Posted - 2014.01.16 12:54:00 -
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Rek Seven wrote:The proposed change is fine for the most part. You only lose 5% and but you could potentially earn 20% more, so i don't see what the big deal is.
it's because you didn't understand the mechanics. |
Dave Stark
4196
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Posted - 2014.01.16 12:57:00 -
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Pretty Maria wrote:Look at all these whiny nullbears goin "MUH ISK/HR YO ITS GUN BE LESS UNLESS I ACTUALLY HAVE TO DO SOMETHING OTHER THAN WARP, RIGHT CLICK, SEND DRONES, RECEIVE KILLS OHNOOOOOOOOO MAH 5% WAAAAAA"
The nullbear tears, are so delicious.
and how does that process differ in any way for incursions? warp in to the site, anchor up, assign drones and mindlessly blap the targets in the order they're tagged in. in fact, pretty much every pve activity in eve is "warp in, target things, activate modules" and doesn't deviate from it.
perhaps you'd like to contribute a meaningful post to the discussion? |
Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting
1128
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Posted - 2014.01.16 13:05:00 -
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SmilingVagrant wrote:Irya Boone wrote:For OP : yes nerf null sec income by 10% and in the same time nerf High sec income by 50% ( no risk no gain ) and increase low sec inc by 300% .. I was always under the impression that if you were willing to you could make decent money in lowsec but the "If you were willing to" was always the hard bit. I mean nullsec has the whole empire building/being part of something bigger as a draw, and even then the people that make isk there are either exploration guys (Limited resource) or people doing anoms (Convenient but not very good resource). Am I wrong? I don't know much about low sec, and I only really use it as a highway to get my Carrier around.
You are not wrong. "If you were willing to" still holds true in my experience. The willingness mainly consists of:
1. accepting less-then-optimal base rewards in exchange for total freedom (or simply anarchy). 2. a degree of persistance and acceptance of potential hostilities against your vessel (and appropriate counters). 3. some understanding of the Security tags market and how to make lazy criminals line your pockets (maximizing profit). 4. the ability to put aside any petty notions of sympathy for soft targets and a mid rack with at least two scrams. |
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ISD Tyrozan
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
353
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Posted - 2014.01.16 13:40:00 -
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Thread has been moved to Features & Ideas Discussion. ISD Tyrozan Captain Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department @ISDTyrozan | @ISD_CCL |
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Julius Rigel
123
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Posted - 2014.01.16 14:03:00 -
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Fix Lag wrote:5% less income is not enough. The evil dirty blobbers must be forced to pay for their crimes. CCP, show those terrible people that there is a price that must be paid for living outside of the law! Could you expand a bit on your proposal?
Perhaps you could provide a summary of the relevant issue or issues that would be affected by this change such as some of the problems associated with the population distribution that might be affected by this, show some statistics since your suggestion involves changing numbers, and expand on your reasoning?
Could you also reference via links any relevant previous discussions, dev blogs, patch notes, that sort of thing?
For example, how does the recent change to interceptors factor into your proposal? Do you feel like immune interceptor gangs don't have the potential to lower null sec income by harassing miners, ratters, explorers, and others that would normally be protected by gate camps which employ interdictors, bubble "cages" and "drag bubbles"? Do YOU like to undock? |
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