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Erica Dusette
Nighthawk Exploration
2081
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Posted - 2014.01.16 23:31:00 -
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Has never been a point of contention for my family or myself.
I went to sleep. Then I woke up. *shrug*
And it's happened numerous times since.
Yes, it was a fresh body, but other than a few personal details I can never really tell the difference. Major (Ret.) Caldary Naval Militia | Morale Officer (Pinup model) H4WK. CEO | Just another innocent explorer-á pâä
Herrbert: "womwomwowmwoaugharwajwowoooommm"
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Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
2204
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Posted - 2014.01.17 05:12:00 -
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This is my original body. Though they did think I was dead (or worse) when the Republic kidnapped me, thankfully the funeral was postponed until they found a body - and it turns out it wasn't dead after all. Nullsec in a Nutshell: http://nedroid.com/comics/2006-08-24-2155-arrrdino.gif |
Simon Louvaki
Sengokuvaa Kaltiovon
628
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Posted - 2014.01.17 05:39:00 -
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At this point in time my original body has been under exposure to the vacuum of space for...two day now? I can't recall at this moment and even if I could locate it I doubt there would be much to bury or burn. Either case, the less attachment to it the better. I don't imagine having it somewhere I can physically visit it would do well for my own personal sanity. The weak of mind are quick to judge with slightest tempt; Thus fools go forth to spread false word.
- The Scriptures, Book of Trials 2:13 - 2:21 |
Karynn Denton
Clan Katanga Caravan
69
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Posted - 2014.01.17 10:20:00 -
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Katran Luftschreck wrote:This is my original body. Though they did think I was dead (or worse) when the Republic kidnapped me, thankfully the funeral was postponed until they found a body - and it turns out it wasn't dead after all.
You've never been podded?
Are you saving yourself for someone special?
Thukker Outrider, Frigateer and Booster-Smuggler. |
Xindi Kraid
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
705
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Posted - 2014.01.19 06:13:00 -
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I don't know why, but for some reason I thought that was a rumor.
As for myself, I am considered to still be the same person as I was before my first death, and thus, still alive by my peers and members of my family who are still alive.
Eran Mintor wrote:No. Until recently, capsuleers had the option of retaining their original body. Now, all the academies insist that the capsuleers experience death at least once. Part of the new training or some nonsense.
-Eran When I started, the euthanasia route wasn't very common at all. If it were, I might have gone with that option. Too many incidents take a toll on the body. As it stands, though, my original frozen corpse ended up floating on the low/null transition leading into the pipe to Hydra space several years ago. |
Stitcher
Alexylva Paradox
3040
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Posted - 2014.01.19 11:21:00 -
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Funerals are for people, not for biomass. Scientifically speaking, there was very likely not a single cell in the body you buried that was originally present at birth.There may very well have been none of the original atoms. The person is a structure of neurons and the electrical and chemical activity dancing throughout and between them, and that is naturally maintained, rebuilt and replenished by the body every day. When we clone, we effectively just do the exact same thing very rapidly at long range via quantum FTL comms.
Yakiya Verin Hakatain is alive and well. His first body was a battle-damaged wreck that got splattered all over the leading edge of a plasma smartbomb shockwave somewhere in Deklein, about eight years ago. Nothing left to be recovered. But the man himself is still around and if his family and friends ever noticed a difference, it was that he stopped complaining about the pain in his prosthetic knee.
I'm as much a sucker for sentiment and ritual as the next man, but if you're going to thrive as a capsuleer, you need to grasp - and soon - the fact that bodies don't matter, and so long as there's a clone walking around still thinking of itself as you, with your memories and attachments and personality, that's all that really matters.
Subjectively, I am the same man. Nothing else matters. An in-character blog and a video: http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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Bryen Verrisai
EVE University Ivy League
63
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Posted - 2014.01.19 14:16:00 -
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While I've never heard of having a funeral for your original body, I will say that the transition to becoming a capsuleer is certainly an occasion deserving of a coming of age kind of ceremony. And In my experience many of those tend to be far stranger than a straightforward funeral. |
Lasairiona Raske
Aurea Litai Industries
103
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Posted - 2014.01.19 14:21:00 -
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But....you're not really dead? Your mind is still alive, just in another body. |
Victor Andall
Complexes and Abaddons
9
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Posted - 2014.01.19 23:27:00 -
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Chief, once all the personal consequence is stripped of all of your actions, once you become for all intents and purposes immortal, you cease to be anyone you were before. There's no such thing as "your funeral". There's "a funeral" held for a bag of flesh that happens to look like you.
Yeah, they held one. I didn't attend. I just undocked for the first time and someone challenged me to a duel. Wat do?
http://andallcombat.wordpress.com/current-tournament/ |
Jennifer Maxwell
Crimson Serpent Syndicate
97
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Posted - 2014.01.20 00:06:00 -
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My original body was interred in a private graveyard owned by my family. I was there while it happened.
I'm not one for philosophical pronouncements, but it's an odd feeling. Until the day my neuron pattern goes dark for the final time, I'll always be a being of two places; my body in that grave, and my will in the stars. |
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Jace Sarice
Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
25
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Posted - 2014.01.20 14:12:00 -
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Jennifer Maxwell wrote:My original body was interred in a private graveyard owned by my family. I was there while it happened.
I'm not one for philosophical pronouncements, but it's an odd feeling. Until the day my neuron pattern goes dark for the final time, I'll always be a being of two places; my body in that grave, and my will in the stars.
Curiosity has taken me. What makes you view that "original body" as part of your being in any sense beyond nostalgia? Trust your veins. |
Claudia Osyn
Mythic Security Service
83
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Posted - 2014.01.21 00:51:00 -
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Fireworks, liquor, and a nuclear detention. That's how my original body went out. Good times. |
Raphael Ordo
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
72
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Posted - 2014.01.21 06:55:00 -
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No funeral. None needed.
As others before me has similarily mentioned; I am still alive in every context that we can perceive and experience.
In the end, I guess it's all a matter of ones perspective of the mind-body problem, and our relation to our own capsuleer ID and ego. |
Raposao1978
2
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Posted - 2014.01.21 07:41:00 -
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I think therefore I am. When I need a funeral it will be when I am unable to ever think again. My family does not honor just my body, they like the man I am. If I was in a wheel chair and a quadriplegic my family would still like the man I am. My mind defines me as a person. My soul is not locked to one particular pile of flesh, fluids, and bones. My faith is just as strong as when I was baseline, honestly perhaps stronger now. Funerals are for those we have lost and will not see again in life. We are a new breed of humanity, humanity 2.0 We need to redefine the parameters with out being trapped by the non-applicable traditions of the past. Embrace the present and the future. We can spend several lifetimes learning, earning, giving, and loving, imagine our potential. Unlike the countless trillions that came before us, our time here shall be long, make the most of it! Self destruct so i can have your salvage ..... i'll get it anyway ..... and this saves us both some time! |
Jennifer Maxwell
Crimson Serpent Syndicate
98
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Posted - 2014.01.22 01:59:00 -
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Jace Sarice wrote:Jennifer Maxwell wrote:My original body was interred in a private graveyard owned by my family. I was there while it happened.
I'm not one for philosophical pronouncements, but it's an odd feeling. Until the day my neuron pattern goes dark for the final time, I'll always be a being of two places; my body in that grave, and my will in the stars. Curiosity has taken me. What makes you view that "original body" as part of your being in any sense beyond nostalgia? It's the vessel in which I spent my formative years. It's as a part of me as anything; the DNA continues on in my clones, and the will animating that body continues in my neural pattern. My past is integral in what I am. That body represents my beginnings; the founding upon which I plot my path towards the future.
In short, it's a personal belief held by my planet's culture.
I must say, it has been... awkward, at times. Some of my crew in the past have wanted to "pay respects" to my grave, according to their own cultural beliefs. I didn't discourage it, and allow them access to the family manor. But I certainly did not accompany them when one of them asked me.
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Erik Kaassan
Burning Shadow Empire
71
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Posted - 2014.01.22 19:18:00 -
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I'm not sure I ever had a family before my fiance's. So my input on this topic is rather limited. however I think if somebody threw a funeral for me with me in attendance that would feel very awkward, uncomfortable, and just unnecessary. I'm alive. Why would people act like I've died? |
Naomi Tichim
Sovereign Hospitaller Order of Saint Katherine
99
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Posted - 2014.01.31 06:52:00 -
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No. For one, I haven't actually died yet. For another, I have no living family. |
Saya Ishikari
Akagi Initiative
180
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Posted - 2014.02.02 02:45:00 -
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No, mostly by virtue of not having anyone I would consider immediate family within reach until recently. I shed my original form, finally, about a week ago for something with far fewer defects. I don't miss it. |
Anatole Madullier
Alexylva Paradox
208
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Posted - 2014.02.03 14:44:00 -
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Shoot me again, I ain't dead yet.
My folks were well aware of what the procedure entailed. I managed to get them involved in how it happened and I believe dad wanted to be there for the proceedings but in the end decided against it.
Truth be told, mum sends a message now and then asking how many bodies I've gone through and if the current one feels okay. So I think they've come to terms with the whole dying thing.
aÑÉ |
Elsebeth Rhiannon
Gradient
604
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Posted - 2014.02.03 14:53:00 -
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No.
After all this time, I don't even recall where my original body is, to be honest. Somewhere in the Wilds close to the MH border, I think.
Also, I have never lost time between clones, so I consider my current clone a direct continuation of my personality, and as such have never "died" despite several emergency reclonings. I do feel differently about a backup, but luckily have never had to resort to such. (I reserve the right for that backup to feel differently, if she ever wakes up.)
I have often said, jokingly, that technically according to the Way back home, I am a ghost. People who die but are not held a letting-go for are said to wonder the universe, restless, haunting those of their kin who used to love them. I suppose that is not far from truth, either.
Elsebeth Broadcast log:-áhttps://gate.eveonline.com/Profile/Elsebeth%20Rhiannon/StatusUpdates |
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Brock Yevikaan
1
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Posted - 2014.02.03 16:21:00 -
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If my family were to know I was a capsuleer, I can't imagine them fretting over the original body. |
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