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Fiodore Aeglaeca
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.01.16 03:25:00 -
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hey people of eve!
shoutout to everyone all over the universe. first of all, my friend recommended me to this game that is so friggin cool. the graphics and gameplay are so different from other games. im now considering to get a bigger screen to improve my experience. heh
ive been lurking the forums for abit and decided to use my first post to ask a nagging question: how do i know which player i am talking to is actually a male or female. in forums and in games people are addressing female portraits as "he" or "him" as if they know who they already are. there are a humongous amount of female portraits as well. i myself created one female character because it looks nice. i know this is not the best place to ask this but other forums are locked because im a trial user
is there anyway to "background check"? reason being i met loads of mmo players who make use of a roleplay to get equips and money. i kinda have a weak heart towards a female player *cough* so hoping to get a hint on whether i can find out if im talking to a guy or lady. you know, for purposes of respect.
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Michael Ruckert
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.01.16 03:45:00 -
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Posting in stealth stalker thread. |
Solai
Jolly Codgers Get Off My Lawn
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Posted - 2014.01.16 03:51:00 -
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Best way to respect women is to treat them without deference to their gender. So for your stated purposes, discovering their gender without asking(...ew...) would not assist.
That said, the vast majority of players are men, and it's functional to simply assume any given player is a guy.
...Not that it should matter in how you interact.
Jolly Codgers corp - Bloodthirsty old men of Null-Sec. -á PVP and organizational excellence through maturity, for pilots age 30+. |
Marcus Avon
New Eden Fedo Lovers Society
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Posted - 2014.01.16 04:05:00 -
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Welcome to EVE,
I think I read somewhere that 95% of players are male, so I guess you have a 95% chance of being right if you treat them as such. I also agree with a previous poster that gender should make absolutely no difference to the way that you treat people, especially in an MMO.
That being said, I have met a couple of female players but they are pretty rare and very wary of being hit on by clumsy, pimply faced teenagers with no social skills. |
Sabriz Adoudel
Mission BLITZ
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Posted - 2014.01.16 04:36:00 -
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Marcus Avon wrote:Welcome to EVE,
I think I read somewhere that 95% of players are male, so I guess you have a 95% chance of being right if you treat them as such. I also agree with a previous poster that gender should make absolutely no difference to the way that you treat people, especially in an MMO.
That being said, I have met a couple of female players but they are pretty rare and very wary of being hit on by clumsy, pimply faced teenagers with no social skills.
This. I believe the statistic is actually 96-4 (and I'm part of the 96%).
I actually play an 'unremarkable looking' female avatar because if there's one thing about the internet, it's that there's a lot of creepy guys, and creepy guys underestimate women and largely ignore ones they don't find attractive. Being underestimated is a big advantage in a competitive game. If I was female IRL, I'd play that up even more, to weasel into corporations then steal everything and send an EVEmail saying something like "I just screwed you, and not in the way you wanted."
But really, people should just treat other players with the same degree of kid-gloves-off competitive respect whether they are a 44 year old businesswoman, a 28 year old stay-at-home dad, or a 16 year old high school student living with his parents.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=238931 - an idea for a new form of hybrid PVE/PVP content. EVE's golden rule: Never trust anyone in-game unless you are sleeping with them in real life. Even then, they may only be screwing you to screw you. |
NightCrawler 85
Phoibe Enterprises
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Posted - 2014.01.16 05:14:00 -
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The last numbers i knew where 96% male players but this might have changed (doubt its a huge change tho).
To the OP. In general everyone will refer to any player as a "he" until they have been corrected since the majority of the players are male. Sometimes you can see things that indicates that someone is a female (bio, way they talk and so on), but since this is EVE there is also a high possibility that these players are posing as a female to try and get free stuff from guys that are convinced that they might get something in return.
And trust me, for a question like this NCQA is much safer then GD since you would get trolled a lot for the question (not that its a bad question, it comes up on a semi regular basis).
Now for respect. It dosent matter if your talking to a male or female, show respect no matter what. In general a female EVE players want to get treated the same way as the male EVE players (this means no censoring chat, being overly protective,avoiding swearing, no dirty jokes and similar). For the free stuff.. Well for many female players they will just abuse you and laugh at you behind your back for constantly giving them stuff. Sure some like it, but trust me, chances that you will find a girl in EVE that falls madly in love with you because you give them ISK or similar is very very slim
I should also mention that female EVE players are a lot more.... well lets just say most of them will see the gifts and such as an attempt to get something, and put you on their "potential stalker" list if your not careful. The average age in EVE is higher then in most other online games, which also means that you are not likely to run into a giggling teenager that goes "omg he gave me free ISK! He must think im soooo cute!" . What you are more likely to see is that you give free stuff, she turns around and blows you up a few times and then blocks you Phoibe Enterprises official recruitment thread The Eve Reader - -áAudio Recordings of Eve Chronicles
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Omega Sunset
Black.Omega
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Posted - 2014.01.16 05:31:00 -
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Why, looonely and trying to figure who to hit on? Here is you're answer, no women play EVE. Well maybe a few but their husbands make them do it heh Like my 5 semesters of electronics in my long lost high school days, 0 girls. Most people have account alts or multi accounts, chances are most of them have characters from both sexes ...just not at the same time. Looking to hit on chicks? WoW is that way ----> Here we just make war GÇö+¬GÇö |
Fiodore Aeglaeca
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.01.16 05:51:00 -
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im not denying that it'll be cool to meet some chicks here. hah! but lets be honest, expectations for getting anything in return is nil. im just curious. i dont hit on others online (well, maybe sometimes).
i also play WOW so i do know how these game works. just wanting to know about eve. trying to get my girl to join in too. so being able to know if there are fellow girls flying around might help ;) |
Omega Sunset
Black.Omega
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Posted - 2014.01.16 06:07:00 -
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You mean "those" games, this is far from that or them. If it makes you less confused, been logged in with my male alt the past couple evenings (tapping forums from my tablet) pewpew GÇö+¬GÇö |
NightCrawler 85
Phoibe Enterprises
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Posted - 2014.01.16 06:18:00 -
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Omega Sunset wrote:You mean "those" games, this is far from that or them.
This is very true. You can have played more or less every online game out there and still coming to EVE expecting to know or understand how EVE works based on that experience is a sure recipe for failure in most cases.
So do your self a favor and forget everything you learned in other online games and start fresh (and yes I have played WOW for a longer period of time).
And yes there are girls for your girlfriend to interact with. A private channel called WGOE that is for females only so female EVE players have a place to interact with each other without having to worry about guys that stalks girls that play online games Phoibe Enterprises official recruitment thread The Eve Reader - -áAudio Recordings of Eve Chronicles
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Erica Dusette
Nighthawk Exploration
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Posted - 2014.01.16 06:42:00 -
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Use EVE voice? Just have a good lie to tell when you give a reason for asking them to join your TS, as doing so simply to discern IRL gender is kinda disrespectful.
Fiodore Aeglaeca wrote: im just curious. Just curious? But wasn't this a "nagging" question that you felt was so important you'd make your first post about it, rather than anything actually related to the game of EVE itself?
Quote:i also play WOW so i do know how these game works. So you know how this works, and have known a ton of MMO players. You're an experienced gamer, but thought you'd make one of the first things you'd do in EVE be to come and ask this openly-sexist question anyway huh?
Quote: trying to get my girl to join in too. so being able to know if there are fellow girls flying around might help ;) Might want to hope she doesn't encounter this thread then if she does join.
Nightcrawler is one of my favorite posters here, and I appreciate that Q&A is a softer environment, but I have to disagree with two of their points: That this is not a stupid question and that this is asked regularly.
No offence OP, but unless you're an angsty teen I'm gonna call Troll thread.
WGOE? My experiences with that channel is that it is absolutely not female-only. In fact there seems to be a few 'exclusive' guys there also. Very nice ones though, of course. Who are only there to help and socialize, of course.
Major (Ret.) Caldary Naval Militia | Morale Officer (Pinup model) H4WK. CEO | Just another innocent explorer-á pâä
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NightCrawler 85
Phoibe Enterprises
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Posted - 2014.01.16 06:56:00 -
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Erica.
Quoting is a pain on the phone
Your thinking about WGOE public which is open for both genders. Once in there you can request for a voice interview that you have to repeat every 6 months to get access so the female only channel.
And I will admit I blushed a bit when I read the favorite poster part
While the question is very. . Well let's just say that it makes me wonder why this is so important, it does come up once in a while, usually in relation to "why is there so many guys that use female avatars". However I think we have sort off similar thoughts on the OPs reason for the question.
But I still choose to answer on the of chance that I'm wrong and he is genuinely just curious. and if nothing else maybe someone else will be able to find information they can appreciate from reading the thread Phoibe Enterprises official recruitment thread The Eve Reader - -áAudio Recordings of Eve Chronicles
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Erica Dusette
Nighthawk Exploration
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Posted - 2014.01.16 07:18:00 -
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Yes it is, but I managed somehow!
I wasn't even going to post, but found people's patience with the OP unfair. Why? Because people with his agenda are a big reason many female players aren't comfy using female avatars and 'hide' behind a male one.
But maybe you're right and his curiosity is innocent. But honestly he would already know the answer to his own question.
He's quite openly stated that he wants a method to determine RL player gender so he can flirt and openly treat players differently. But then backed away from that attitude as his posts progressed. Innocent or not I think he needs to be told that it's a cancerous attitude to have and that would likely be offensive to some females (and males) who come to immerse themselves in a game. Adultfriendfinder and RLC are that way ~>
Yes, you're correct about WGOE Public, I did indeed forget that there's two channels. Although in saying that, the guys hanging around the public maybe isn't the best look anyway though.
As for me? I'm whatever people want to believe I am. And that's usually very predictable.
Oh, and don't blush Nightcrawler - the compliment is honest. Your posts are always patient and helpful. Major (Ret.) Caldary Naval Militia | Morale Officer (Pinup model) H4WK. CEO | Just another innocent explorer-á pâä
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Fiodore Aeglaeca
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.01.16 08:18:00 -
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yea this is what im looking for. people dissecting every sentence i say and use it against me. its so interesting to see aspiring lawyers in this forum. i wonder is there a role for lawyers in this game? whether or not you feel im honestly curious or simply trying to look for gamer chicks, like i said i'm not denying anything. im here to have fun and thats the whole point of the trial dude. if i dont like it i'll be gone *poof*
i didn't back off when i see replies dissing my disrespectful attitude. im just causally asking a question. bah.. some of you are too serious. chill out man. thank you nightcrawler for benefit of a doubt. i guess my start out here isnt very popular. i shall biomass this and heck start new and bam, white as snow babeh~ come on and flame me. i enjoy it since i got my question answered |
erg cz
Sliperer
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Posted - 2014.01.16 08:31:00 -
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I take avatars as picture on the wall. Some ppl put cars on the wall, some waterfalls. Many men put some more or less dressed women. Some player go so far in abusing their avatar, that they make their girlfriend talk to team speaker, when they do their scams...
So, whatever you see on the players wall - he is "he" or he is "it" . To be "it" is now officially legal in some european countries like German. |
Keno Skir
forward unt0 dawn
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Posted - 2014.01.16 08:49:00 -
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Assume all players are men, the vast vast majority are in my experience.
GIRL = Guy In Real Life
Remember the rule and you shall never wind up playing sausage at a doughnut (yes that is how you spell it) party BUDDY TRIALS - 21days + ISK bonus + Starting Assistance : https://secure.eveonline.com/trial/?invc=77facad8-d941-45ad-95bc-c1ec90919b6b&action=buddy Feel free to contact me with questions :) |
Marcus Avon
New Eden Fedo Lovers Society
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Posted - 2014.01.16 09:13:00 -
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Fiodore Aeglaeca wrote:yea this is what im looking for. people dissecting every sentence i say and use it against me. its so interesting to see aspiring lawyers in this forum. i wonder is there a role for lawyers in this game? whether or not you feel im honestly curious or simply trying to look for gamer chicks, like i said i'm not denying anything. im here to have fun and thats the whole point of the trial dude. if i dont like it i'll be gone *poof*
i didn't back off when i see replies dissing my disrespectful attitude. im just causally asking a question. bah.. some of you are too serious. chill out man. thank you nightcrawler for benefit of a doubt. i guess my start out here isnt very popular. i shall biomass this and heck start new and bam, white as snow babeh~ come on and flame me. i enjoy it since i got my question answered
Another thing you'll find about almost every EVE thread is that the hostile posters rapidly crawl out of the woodwork, seemingly just for the sake of being hostile, angry and bitter.
Learn to examine the threads to tune these people out and only pick and choose posters who provide you with constructive, interesting responses. Note that sometimes people are saying things that you don't want to hear, but that doesn't mean they they are hostile trolls, just that they disagree with you. And if they are vets, they are most often 100% right.
If you take offense every time you see a hostile post, you will be offended quite a lot in this game because for some reason EVE seems to attract a much higher troll population than most MMO's. On the other hand there are also many genuinely helpful and friendly people like Nightcrawler 85 on the forums too. |
Omega Sunset
Black.Omega
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Posted - 2014.01.16 09:34:00 -
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Keno Skir wrote:GIRL = Guy In Real Life Or the WoW equivalent: mmorpg middle-age men online role-playing girls.
Now say that 10 times real fast while staring down the barrel of my blaster...
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J'Poll
CDG Playgrounds
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Posted - 2014.01.16 09:51:00 -
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I was going to leave this thread pass, but the inner forum warrior couldn't resist.
My question to the OP: What in the world does it matter if the person behind the keyboard is a male or female gamer?
In my honost opinion, treat people equally. The personality of a gamer is way more important then the gender, religion, nationality or what ever else you can think of.
I've got to know a good bit of female gamers in EVE, some who don't give a **** and are very open about it, some who are less comfortable about the general EVE player's stance towards female gamers and thus don't really make it public who they are. What I found out, if you respect people's choices and don't push anything upon them, you can make friends for (EVE) life, no matter who is behind the avatar.
As for replying with "he" / "him". Because of the 96/4 ratio, unless known I estimate that the person I'm talking to is a male gamer.
As for lawyers and use in EVE. I will just leave this person here, vets will understand
As for "background check": The closest you can get to it, is voice communication. But even that ain't foolproof (wife, gf, sister, mom).
Quote:im not denying that it'll be cool to meet some chicks here.
Might want to change the wording of that
Now to defy forum rules a little bit again:
If you want to please a female gamer...look here Sorry, couldn't resist Want to have some chat in game? Need help to get into the game as a new player? Just join my channel: Crazy Dutch Guy |
J'Poll
CDG Playgrounds
3541
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Posted - 2014.01.16 09:52:00 -
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Fiodore Aeglaeca wrote:i didn't back off when i see replies dissing my disrespectful attitude. im just causally asking a question. bah.. some of you are too serious. chill out man. thank you nightcrawler for benefit of a doubt. i guess my start out here isnt very popular. i shall biomass this and heck start new and bam, white as snow babeh~ come on and flame me. i enjoy it since i got my question answered
If this already set you off to biomass your character, boy will you be making a lot of new characters very often.
For EVE forums, this is a nice civil discussion. Want to have some chat in game? Need help to get into the game as a new player? Just join my channel: Crazy Dutch Guy |
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Haedonism Bot
Revolutionary Front
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Posted - 2014.01.16 13:59:00 -
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Hang on - there are women who play EVE? everevolutionaryfront.blogspot.com |
Shiloh Templeton
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.01.16 15:56:00 -
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Fiodore Aeglaeca wrote: trying to get my girl to join in too. so being able to know if there are fellow girls flying around might help ;)
I have seen a few website blogs mention getting their wife or girlfriend to play (If they are a French PM - maybe both). You might do a google search for those. There is also a prominent blog site about low-sec written by a female player that is quite interesting.
p.s. If you come across 'Erotica 1' in game, DON"T fall for her.
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Omega Sunset
Black.Omega
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Posted - 2014.01.17 00:00:00 -
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NightCrawler 85 wrote:For the free stuff.. Well for many female players they will just abuse you and laugh at you behind your back for constantly giving them stuff. Sure some like it, but trust me, chances that you will find a girl in EVE that falls madly in love with you because you give them ISK or similar is very very slim Yeah but I don't think that is so much the case for EVE with guys having female avatars anyway. I mean like early in EQ1 I realized guys did this, "RP'd" as a female primarily to get stuff and help from other players, and other games of the sort I've noticed this since then. WoW is like that too (played a few months), such as EQ1, since there is no real PvP system in place in the general game and people can sit back and avoid encounters with other players in that way, allowing them to play a weak and defenseless girl that needs help and free stuff (as they perceive it).
But when you play games with pvp, you find a lot of female avatars. They don't play them to get stuff and help, but to be underestimated, playing on the stupidity of some peoples perceptions, or preconceptions. I noticed this first in early UO among PvPers and FW players where you would find a lot of female characters but played by guys. Yes, some were actually women, I've known some really good pvpers that were women especially back then in UO with the high-fantasy theme that lured many women to the game. EVE falls under the same format, so you find a lot of pvpers sporting female avatars, though is technology based so less actual female players. However with the nature of EVE, there is no real advantage since the secret is out and this game has like 4% female subscribers... at best? Maybe 1% that are not forced to play with their BF's or husbands but actually play because they like this game format.
Other than that, EVE is less about the avatar and more about the ship you fly into combat. Here the avatar is more of a decoration, like a hot car with a lady standing next to it. So much different than those progression theme parks and their character immersion in an RP setting. In games like WoW or GW2 will find those long forum debates where people are all upset/disgusted over guys with female characters, but that doesn't happen here as this isn't a progression theme park where players want their immersion of game into real-life and thinking someone in a female avatar is a prospect to play cute little mini-games with. Here we just make war, and no one is going to give you what you want unless you take it from them by force.
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Pontianak Sythaeryn
Bottle Distribution Ops Center Heimatar Alliance Treaty Organization
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Posted - 2014.01.17 00:17:00 -
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Omega Sunset wrote:Why, looonely and trying to figure who to hit on? Here is you're answer, no women play EVE. Well maybe a few but their husbands make them do it heh
False, my gf plays eve and is in fact the one that originally suggested getting back into the game at some point in the past.
Sweeping generalizations are inherently false.
As to the OP, to seriously answer your question the most effective way is talking with them over VOIP such as Vent, Teamspeak, Razer Comms, etc. If they are using a voice changer and your being tricked? Hilarity ensues. |
Omega Sunset
Black.Omega
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Posted - 2014.01.17 00:26:00 -
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Pontianak Sythaeryn wrote:Omega Sunset wrote:Why, looonely and trying to figure who to hit on? Here is you're answer, no women play EVE. Well maybe a few but their husbands make them do it heh False, my gf plays eve and is in fact the one that originally suggested getting back into the game at some point in the past. Sweeping generalizations are inherently false. Sweeping generalization vs sweeping generalization? Anyway I also included GF's to that sweeping generalization in another post, I was just on my tablet when writing that so didn't get into any detail. Yeah so you're GF misses that time with you playing EVE? Sure, women want to feel needed by their BF's. Doesn't change the numbers.
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Pontianak Sythaeryn
Bottle Distribution Ops Center Heimatar Alliance Treaty Organization
117
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Posted - 2014.01.17 00:46:00 -
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Omega Sunset wrote:Sweeping generalization vs sweeping generalization?
Doesn't change the numbers.
It's a sense of irony and play on words to drive a point.
You said "no women play eve". I mentioned this was false, they do in fact play. Yes the game is a total sausage fest for certain, but some girls do play. I would gather that most of them wouldn't publicly admit on the forum or in-game that they are of the female persuasion, and for good reason. The number of female players may in fact be higher than some here think. |
Omega Sunset
Black.Omega
140
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Posted - 2014.01.17 01:21:00 -
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Pontianak Sythaeryn wrote:You said "no women play eve". er huh? I did? Point to where reading complete paragraphs touched you in an inappropriate place. Or making lead-in humor of sorts for that matter, we take all things SERIOUSLY in EVE
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NightCrawler 85
Phoibe Enterprises
1356
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Posted - 2014.01.17 02:05:00 -
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Pontianak Sythaeryn wrote: The number of female players may in fact be higher than some here think.
Demographics
As of October 2006, the average age of an Eve Online player was 27, and 95% of players were male. The average weekly playtime was 17 hours, or just under 2.5 hours per day.
Granted these numbers are very very old, but honestly i dont think they have changed that much.
This is an article from 2013, which supports that, the numbers have actually gone down instead of up.
That being said, i have no idea how CCP gets these numbers, and i doubt its 100% accurate but it cant be off by that much (1-2% maybe). Phoibe Enterprises official recruitment thread The Eve Reader - -áAudio Recordings of Eve Chronicles
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