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Kagura Nikon
Mentally Assured Destruction The Pursuit of Happiness
1178
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Posted - 2014.01.26 16:24:00 -
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SuperBeastie wrote:Nerf battleships they should only be able to hit things with 300 sig or greater for full damage. one class of ship under just like titans because being dunked by a battleship in a frigate is unfair if i only want to fly sup frigates there should be no downside.
That is not the point. THe point is the WITHIN ship class balance. Snetry boats were much more pwoerful thatn turret ones. "If brute force does not solve your problem..... -áthen you are -ásurely not using enough!" |
Morrigan LeSante
The Lost and Forgotten Troopers
628
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Posted - 2014.01.26 16:27:00 -
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Kagura Nikon wrote:Morrigan LeSante wrote:If you think unbonused sentries are overpowered, you should see what a real DPS boat can do.
Take a rattlesnake, I can outdamage that at any range it is capable of with a TFI, or a CNR. That's today, never mind once omis take the nerf bat to the face.
So the question remains, why are we hobbling unbonused hulls when the actual issue here, is the bonused hulls. Why are T1 battleships better drone boats than the pirate or navy equivalents? But can you outdamage an armageddon or dominix WHILE fieldign 6 NEUTS at same time? oo right.. YOU CANNOT! Normal domi is better than navy domi because nooblets whined that the changes to the dominix were a nerf ( as I said noobs) and then rise kep the navy domi as the useless mix od hibrids and drones to kepe them happy.
If I was using Neuts, I'd be using heavies. |
Sal Landry
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
208
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Posted - 2014.01.26 18:10:00 -
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Morrigan LeSante wrote: I'd be using heavies.
Then you're bad. Heavies suck.
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Morrigan LeSante
The Lost and Forgotten Troopers
628
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Posted - 2014.01.26 18:26:00 -
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Not point blank, all up in someone's face. You know, where you'd use neuts. Even the geddon doesn't have much reach on them.
Or are you telling me you're using sentries [long range], with omnis [moooar range] and neuts [pont blank]...in which case we need a chat about who is bad |
ashley Eoner
246
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Posted - 2014.01.26 20:50:00 -
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Morrigan LeSante wrote:Not point blank, all up in someone's face. You know, where you'd use neuts. Even the geddon doesn't have much reach on them. Or are you telling me you're using sentries [long range], with omnis [moooar range] and neuts [point blank]...in which case we need a chat about who is bad Well that's cute. I clicked post and it erased everything I typed out... |
Harvey James
The Sengoku Legacy
634
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Posted - 2014.01.26 21:01:00 -
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ashley Eoner wrote:Morrigan LeSante wrote:Not point blank, all up in someone's face. You know, where you'd use neuts. Even the geddon doesn't have much reach on them. Or are you telling me you're using sentries [long range], with omnis [moooar range] and neuts [point blank]...in which case we need a chat about who is bad Well that's cute. I clicked post and it erased everything I typed out...
always copy a post before you try too post it especially if its long or wait till it automatically saves ... a little yellow draft in bottom left of box Tech 3's need to be multi role ships not cruiser hulls with battleship tank and insane resists ABC's are clearly T2 in all but name.. remove drone assist mechanic. Nerf web strength ..... module tiercide FTW role based instead of tiers please. |
Arsine Mayhem
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
110
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Posted - 2014.01.26 21:11:00 -
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Kagura Nikon wrote: because currently Sentries are Overpowered. Even on unbonused range hulls.
They allow an armageddon for a clear example to have more effective damage projection and extra high slot resources thatn ANY turret ship.
Just check on TQ.. how much harder is to fit an abaddon do do damage at same range an armageddon does... with same level of tank and then armageddon can still sport NEuts, RR and stuff like that.
Simply... Sentry droens + omni links are OVERPOWERED.
And we all know ship stats can never be changed. |
ashley Eoner
246
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Posted - 2014.01.26 21:19:00 -
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Harvey James wrote:ashley Eoner wrote:Morrigan LeSante wrote:Not point blank, all up in someone's face. You know, where you'd use neuts. Even the geddon doesn't have much reach on them. Or are you telling me you're using sentries [long range], with omnis [moooar range] and neuts [point blank]...in which case we need a chat about who is bad Well that's cute. I clicked post and it erased everything I typed out... always copy a post before you try too post it especially if its long or wait till it automatically saves ... a little yellow draft in bottom left of box It did save as a draft and that was the problem I think. When I clicked post it said saved as draft and then gave me an empty post. I loaded the draft but all that showed was the original quoted post.. .ugh.
In PVE the armageddon isn't that powerful. The dominix is without a doubt the king of sentry pve though. That's because with all the tools that CCP has given us over the years a dominix doesn't have to worry much about having a real tank for PVE.
EDIT : Considering the size of my post in hindsight I should of done the copy paste into notepad as a backup thing. I should of known something would happen. |
Josef Djugashvilis
Acme Mining Corporation
1987
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Posted - 2014.01.26 21:59:00 -
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Forum monster ate my post.
CCP fix the freakin' forums.
Then folk can say what they think of the proposed changes. This is not a signature. |
DivineHero
University of Caille Gallente Federation
189
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Posted - 2014.01.27 06:46:00 -
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Nash MacAllister wrote:Batelle wrote:my rattlesnake is much more hurt by the scope chip nerf than the omni nerf. Secondary issue but the whole stacking on rigs is the nail in the coffin IMHO. I may be too suspicious but to me, this is actually what appears to be a significant driver behind the Omni/Rig change - http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/what-a-hed-ache/ Discouraging drone use ASAP to resolve server performance issues.
Hmm. "Drones" will be wiped out. Can i have my SP compensation ? :facepalm:
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Htirlic
Evil Harmful Wonderfully Lazy
0
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Posted - 2014.01.27 15:39:00 -
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The end of the game, with the release of update you minus one subscriber. This "innovation" kills not mechanics, and the desire to play. "Thank you" for the wasted time, no small to notice on study skills. I wanted to get pleasure from the game (it was), but not another crap. |
Nash MacAllister
Anomalous Existence Surely You're Joking
112
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Posted - 2014.01.27 17:16:00 -
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Sal Landry wrote:Morrigan LeSante wrote: I'd be using heavies.
Then you're bad. Heavies suck.
Perhaps, just perhaps, it is in fact the case that the drone skills on your non-anonymous-forum-posting-account suck. You know, TBH.
Aside from that, if the Rattlesnake and Gila get no love on the rebalance, they become essentially useless in PVE in generally, filling only very niche roles when circumstances allow. Just another small step pushing subscription numbers further down. But hey, the server will perform better with fewer people right? The enemy of my enemy is... -ájust another guy that needs killin' |
Batelle
Komm susser Tod
1404
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Posted - 2014.01.27 18:30:00 -
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Nash MacAllister wrote:Just another small step pushing subscription numbers further down.
Can we stop with the melodrama and eve is dying and all the bullshit? people are ass-pained because their stuff is getting nerfed. I should know, I'm one of those people. But saying crap like this isn't going to convince CCP. "CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"
Never forget. |
SemperFidelis Shi
Merchants Trade Consortium The Last Chancers.
2
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Posted - 2014.01.27 19:26:00 -
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I remember that after Battleships rebalance, there was another nerf on Dominix: reduce tracking bonus so that it will be "balanced".
Then, nerf Sentries too.
Now which one is unbalanced? Can we get back the Dominix bonus? |
Minnie Ryder
Flippin DaBird Corporation 2
9
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Posted - 2014.01.27 19:36:00 -
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Day before patch, just been on SiSi. Nothing changed there, still there's no indication in show info of the actuall effects of the omnidirectionals.
Back here, still not a single post to this thread by anyone of CCP. Shame on you is all I've got to say, shame on you. This is not how to work with the community with feedback and changes. Shame on you again. |
Nash MacAllister
Anomalous Existence Surely You're Joking
112
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Posted - 2014.01.27 19:50:00 -
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Batelle wrote:Nash MacAllister wrote:Just another small step pushing subscription numbers further down. Can we stop with the melodrama and eve is dying and all the bullshit? people are ass-pained because their stuff is getting nerfed. I should know, I'm one of those people. But saying crap like this isn't going to convince CCP.
That is not what I said. I said pushing subscriptions down. For a variety of reasons, I suspect there will be a measurable number of folks that will simply be fed up with the lack of listening on CCP's part before making major changes like this. I am not real keen on the SP I have invested in drones going into a black hole when until very recently, it seemed that drones would be getting a true rework. This, without any additional information from CCP, seems to be a haphazard nerf without an overall plan. There has been a severe lack of content as of late in many people's opinions, mine included, and the numbers continue to reflect a decrease in subscribers/activity levels. As hundreds of people have posted before me, bug fixes and game rebalance is not true content. CCP has for quite some time simply been reacting to subsets of the player base finding manners to exploit the current mechanics. I am not saying Eve is "dying", but changes like this certainly don't help. CCP needs to score in the next 12 months or we will be talking about more dire situations IMHO.
So how about you shut your trap and stop putting words in other people's mouths m'kay? The enemy of my enemy is... -ájust another guy that needs killin' |
Batelle
Komm susser Tod
1405
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Posted - 2014.01.27 19:58:00 -
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Nash MacAllister wrote:That is not what I said. I said pushing subscriptions down.... I am not real keen on the SP I have invested in drones going into a black hole... the numbers continue to reflect a decrease in subscribers/activity levels..... I am not saying Eve is "dying", but changes like this certainly don't help. CCP needs to score in the next 12 months or we will be talking about more dire situations IMHO. So how about you shut your trap and stop putting words in other people's mouths m'kay?
"I didn't say Eve is dying, I said it was stagnating and people were leaving it." "My drone SP is now worthless" "Eve is dying and the numbers show this." "Eve is dying, or if not, soon will be."
I really don't have to make anything up, its all right there. Guess what. Drones will still be awesome. "CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"
Never forget. |
Nash MacAllister
Anomalous Existence Surely You're Joking
112
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Posted - 2014.01.27 20:03:00 -
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Batelle wrote:Blah blah blah.
My apologies, I didn't realize you were one of "those" people. I will disregard your comments as I suspect the rest of the folks here do. Thanks for clarifying... The enemy of my enemy is... -ájust another guy that needs killin' |
ashley Eoner
246
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Posted - 2014.01.27 20:19:00 -
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Nash MacAllister wrote:Batelle wrote:Nash MacAllister wrote:Just another small step pushing subscription numbers further down. Can we stop with the melodrama and eve is dying and all the bullshit? people are ass-pained because their stuff is getting nerfed. I should know, I'm one of those people. But saying crap like this isn't going to convince CCP. That is not what I said. I said pushing subscriptions down. For a variety of reasons, I suspect there will be a measurable number of folks that will simply be fed up with the lack of listening on CCP's part before making major changes like this. I am not real keen on the SP I have invested in drones going into a black hole when until very recently, it seemed that drones would be getting a true rework. This, without any additional information from CCP, seems to be a haphazard nerf without an overall plan. There has been a severe lack of content as of late in many people's opinions, mine included, and the numbers continue to reflect a decrease in subscribers/activity levels. As hundreds of people have posted before me, bug fixes and game rebalance is not true content. CCP has for quite some time simply been reacting to subsets of the player base finding manners to exploit the current mechanics. I am not saying Eve is "dying", but changes like this certainly don't help. CCP needs to score in the next 12 months or we will be talking about more dire situations IMHO. So how about you shut your trap and stop putting words in other people's mouths m'kay? I'm annoyed because I just reactivated some of my accounts before I ran into this thread. Now CCP will take that as tacit approval of this kind of crap...
Stuff like this helped me decide to quit last time. I had hoped there would be better communication by this point.
My only hope now is that this is so half assed that it doesn't actually make it live. |
Batelle
Komm susser Tod
1405
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Posted - 2014.01.27 20:58:00 -
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ashley Eoner wrote: I'm annoyed because I just reactivated some of my accounts before I ran into this thread. Now CCP will take that as tacit approval of this kind of crap...
Stuff like this helped me decide to quit last time. I had hoped there would be better communication by this point.
My only hope now is that this is so half assed that it doesn't actually make it live.
I'm sure CCP is well acquainted with randomness and will not take your resub as an endorsement specifically of rubicon 1.1 That said if you quit over a nerf before, this definitely also counts as a nerf. I don't know what you mean by asking for "better communication." I also would like to see additional justification from Fozzie on this matter, but I'm also disappointment that several people chose this thread to attack him personally and question his motives. Ultimately if CCP wants to nerf something, they shouldn't really back down over some self-interested persons being upset about it. They should listen to some fact-based comparisons and rational discussions, of which there has been plenty already in this thread, some saying it won't be that bad, others that certain ships/uses will be critically affected.
As for this not making it live, its being deployed tomorrow. I expect a new wave of discussion about the omnilink nerfs starting then. "CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"
Never forget. |
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Dedee Rediculous
Silver Snake Enterprise Fatal Ascension
1
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Posted - 2014.01.28 01:52:00 -
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It'll be a tidal wave of tears because next to no one reads F&I.
Tomorrow should be interesting. |
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
219
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Posted - 2014.01.28 04:25:00 -
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Batelle wrote:ashley Eoner wrote: I'm annoyed because I just reactivated some of my accounts before I ran into this thread. Now CCP will take that as tacit approval of this kind of crap...
Stuff like this helped me decide to quit last time. I had hoped there would be better communication by this point.
My only hope now is that this is so half assed that it doesn't actually make it live.
I'm sure CCP is well acquainted with randomness and will not take your resub as an endorsement specifically of rubicon 1.1 That said if you quit over a nerf before, this definitely also counts as a nerf. I don't know what you mean by asking for "better communication." I also would like to see additional justification from Fozzie on this matter, but I'm also disappointment that several people chose this thread to attack him personally and question his motives. Ultimately if CCP wants to nerf something, they shouldn't really back down over some self-interested persons being upset about it. They should listen to some fact-based comparisons and rational discussions, of which there has been plenty already in this thread, some saying it won't be that bad, others that certain ships/uses will be critically affected. As for this not making it live, its being deployed tomorrow. I expect a new wave of discussion about the omnilink nerfs starting then.
Its probably more a case of "nerf it more than we think it needs and then back off the nerf a bit next patch to a more reasonable level" :D That way everyone will be happy about the un-nerf even though its still a nerf compared to original.
I had a kitten once that was cupboard mad. If you accidentally locked it in a cupboard and then later realized and let it out, it treated you like a "savior and hero" even though you were the one that had locked it in, |
Emiko Rowna
Aliastra Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2014.01.28 06:50:00 -
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Can someone tell me when the change was made to sentries that made them so over powered? In what patch did they receive this large buff that lead to them being over powered? |
ashley Eoner
246
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Posted - 2014.01.28 07:31:00 -
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Hasikan Miallok wrote:Batelle wrote:ashley Eoner wrote: I'm annoyed because I just reactivated some of my accounts before I ran into this thread. Now CCP will take that as tacit approval of this kind of crap...
Stuff like this helped me decide to quit last time. I had hoped there would be better communication by this point.
My only hope now is that this is so half assed that it doesn't actually make it live.
I'm sure CCP is well acquainted with randomness and will not take your resub as an endorsement specifically of rubicon 1.1 That said if you quit over a nerf before, this definitely also counts as a nerf. I don't know what you mean by asking for "better communication." I also would like to see additional justification from Fozzie on this matter, but I'm also disappointment that several people chose this thread to attack him personally and question his motives. Ultimately if CCP wants to nerf something, they shouldn't really back down over some self-interested persons being upset about it. They should listen to some fact-based comparisons and rational discussions, of which there has been plenty already in this thread, some saying it won't be that bad, others that certain ships/uses will be critically affected. As for this not making it live, its being deployed tomorrow. I expect a new wave of discussion about the omnilink nerfs starting then. Its probably more a case of "nerf it more than we think it needs and then back off the nerf a bit next patch to a more reasonable level" :D That way everyone will be happy about the un-nerf even though its still a nerf compared to original. I had a kitten once that was cupboard mad. If you accidentally locked it in a cupboard and then later realized and let it out, it treated you like a "savior and hero" even though you were the one that had locked it in, Indeed that pattern has repeated itself endlessly over the years..
As for my request of "better communications"? Well I was specifically referring to the fact that CCP has completely disappeared from this thread after several good points were posted. Some sort of explanation as to why the half assed setup exists on the test server and if we should prepare for the same on the main server would be a good start. Addressing the legitimate concerns of some of the posters would be nice too.
I don't have any delusions that my 4 subscriptions will be noticed by CCP either. It's just the principle at this point. |
v3locity
Spatial Distortion Inc
8
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Posted - 2014.01.28 11:30:00 -
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Batelle wrote:ashley Eoner wrote: I'm annoyed because I just reactivated some of my accounts before I ran into this thread. Now CCP will take that as tacit approval of this kind of crap...
Stuff like this helped me decide to quit last time. I had hoped there would be better communication by this point.
My only hope now is that this is so half assed that it doesn't actually make it live.
I'm sure CCP is well acquainted with randomness and will not take your resub as an endorsement specifically of rubicon 1.1 That said if you quit over a nerf before, this definitely also counts as a nerf. I don't know what you mean by asking for "better communication." I also would like to see additional justification from Fozzie on this matter, but I'm also disappointment that several people chose this thread to attack him personally and question his motives. Ultimately if CCP wants to nerf something, they shouldn't really back down over some self-interested persons being upset about it. They should listen to some fact-based comparisons and rational discussions, of which there has been plenty already in this thread, some saying it won't be that bad, others that certain ships/uses will be critically affected. As for this not making it live, its being deployed tomorrow. I expect a new wave of discussion about the omnilink nerfs starting then.
Butthurt? Why are you so concerned. I mean, what, 4 posts on this?
I've quit for a lot less and do the same with other games.
It's really very simple. Take away what people like, they leave.
Hide and watch. |
Monsieur Leon
Lopht Heavy Industries
11
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Posted - 2014.01.28 11:39:00 -
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Emiko Rowna wrote:Can someone tell me when the change was made to sentries that made them so over powered? In what patch did they receive this large buff that lead to them being over powered?
Oh they were never overpowered. The only thing that is overpowered is Goons ability to b*t*h and whine and CCP's response to them solely.
Everytime someone comes up with a clever way to even the numbers. Goons whine and their CCP pets listen and obey.
So for carriers we nerfed the warp mechanics making they way too slow require them to jump due to ceptor changes. Then the ESS (Eat S**T Suckers) module stealing 5% from all the folks who pay for their SOV (which of course is the all the money that maintains Concord). And the Coup de gr+óce nerfing the drones tracking / range and having the "new" modules drain cap. Transforming drone boats to museum pieces.
Gee, maybe i should join goons then i could have my own CCP code monkey on a short leash too.
Do you think you guys could actually do some work for the other people in the game? Or hey why not fix the things that have been broken for years before having people rage quit over stupid s**t like this. |
Shpenat
Galactic Exploration and Mining Corporation The Obsidian Front
64
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Posted - 2014.01.28 12:00:00 -
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Emiko Rowna wrote:Can someone tell me when the change was made to sentries that made them so over powered? In what patch did they receive this large buff that lead to them being over powered?
Sentries were never overpowered. That is why nobody is changing sentries.
Omnidirectional tracking links on the other hand were.
Lets have a look at the sentry drones first (T2 variant). Their statistics are on par with large guns. Resolution of 400mm, DPS around 20 per drone, tracking ranging from 0.012 to 0.036 rad/s. They have some advantages over guns (will continue to fire when ship is jammed or out of cap) and disadvantages (cant move, can be destroyed).
So in short sentry drones can be considered as large guns. However you can fit maximum of 5 of them at any given time while battleships usually sports 7-8 large guns. This is compensated by giving drone boats higher drone damage bonus (10% per level) and allowing them to use decent number of guns.
So far so good. Now the omnidirectional tracking link comes into scene and it tips the balance off. with every passive omni you get 30% optimal range and 30% tracking to every drone (sans stacking penalties). This is far superior to what your large guns can get with tracking computers and tracking enhancers. So changing omnidirectional tracking link to match that of tracking computer makes sense.
Granted, directly copying tracking computer over to omnidirectional tracking link is tad lazy especially considering there are no faction variants. |
Morrigan LeSante
The Lost and Forgotten Troopers
635
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Posted - 2014.01.28 13:42:00 -
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Shpenat wrote:So far so good. Now the omnidirectional tracking link comes into scene and it tips the balance off. with every passive omni you get 30% optimal range and 30% tracking to every drone (sans stacking penalties). This is far superior to what your large guns can get with tracking computers and tracking enhancers. So changing omnidirectional tracking link to match that of tracking computer makes sense.
It makes sense until you consider that drone boats have one fewer slot [because droneboat], cannot realistically move and shoot, nor manage transversal or angular velocity, their guns are destructible (setting aside carriers which have different issues), those mods were also harder to fit than TCs and they have no equivalent of a TE. |
Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
2138
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Posted - 2014.01.28 14:17:00 -
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Shpenat wrote:[quote=Emiko Rowna]
Granted, directly copying tracking computer over to omnidirectional tracking link is tad lazy especially considering there are no faction variants.
Are you saying that the incompetence was so bad that Fed Navy Omni's no longer have any bonus over T2's? Most people viewed Orwell's writings as a warning. The harper regime and the goons treat them as a guidebook. |
John Ratcliffe
Sarumans Hand
263
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Posted - 2014.01.28 14:33:00 -
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Shpenat wrote:Emiko Rowna wrote:Can someone tell me when the change was made to sentries that made them so over powered? In what patch did they receive this large buff that lead to them being over powered? Sentries were never overpowered. That is why nobody is changing sentries. Omnidirectional tracking links on the other hand were. Lets have a look at the sentry drones first (T2 variant). Their statistics are on par with large guns. Resolution of 400mm, DPS around 20 per drone, tracking ranging from 0.012 to 0.036 rad/s. They have some advantages over guns (will continue to fire when ship is jammed or out of cap) and disadvantages (cant move, can be destroyed). So in short sentry drones can be considered as large guns. However you can fit maximum of 5 of them at any given time while battleships usually sports 7-8 large guns. This is compensated by giving drone boats higher drone damage bonus (10% per level) and allowing them to use decent number of guns. So far so good. Now the omnidirectional tracking link comes into scene and it tips the balance off. with every passive omni you get 30% optimal range and 30% tracking to every drone (sans stacking penalties). This is far superior to what your large guns can get with tracking computers and tracking enhancers. So changing omnidirectional tracking link to match that of tracking computer makes sense. Granted, directly copying tracking computer over to omnidirectional tracking link is tad lazy especially considering there are no faction variants.
Why do they need to be the same? Homogenisation is completely pointless. There should be something completely OP. Plus +ºa change, plus c'est la m+¬me chose |
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