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Karn Dulake
Souls Must Be Trampled
The.Alliance
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Posted - 2011.11.08 15:54:00 -
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Its promoted as the coldest of the cold where anything goes but..not really
The point about this game is that you choice your level. I know hundreds of people in this game and most of them are hardly ever ganked or die for any reason. they mission, they mine, they build. When they die they normally die in wars or roams.
The only people i know who die on a regular basis are those in Nullsec running small gangs or fighting for space.
You can scam people in this game but all MMOs have plenty of scams and the moderators just accept it as part of the game.
As an example Diablo Hardcore is far tougher than EVE
You die once and once only and then you lose the character and all equipment they have. A Zod rune has a 50% chance of dropping for every 100,000 hours played.
Imagine dying in this game and losing your ship, everything in your hangars and waking up with 50k skillpoints instead of 50 million.
Its not as hardcore as people say it is.
Your angry thoughts please |
Jennifer Starling
Imperial Navy Forum Patrol
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Posted - 2011.11.08 15:55:00 -
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Karn Dulake wrote:As an example Diablo Hardcore is far tougher than EVE
You die once and once only and then you lose the character and all equipment they have. A Zod rune has a 50% chance of dropping for every 100,000 hours played.
Imagine dying in this game and (..) waking up with 50k skillpoints instead of 50 million.
Its not as hardcore as people say it is.
hardcore, nah, as you said there's not even permadeath!
The risk of really losing something substantial is very small for the average EVE player.
Imagine all the cowering vets when their preciousss SP suddely would be at stake. Unimaginable! |
Krios Ahzek
Juvenis Iratus
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Posted - 2011.11.08 15:57:00 -
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I've been playing for two months and no.
Don't be dumb and don't fly a ship worth 95% of your wallet. |
War Kitten
Panda McLegion
201
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Posted - 2011.11.08 15:59:00 -
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In other news, apples taste NOTHING like oranges, despite their constant comparisons.
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Brock Nelson
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Posted - 2011.11.08 15:59:00 -
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Those who feel that it's not hardcore is because they're playing the game in single player mode. |
Gazmin VanBurin
Go Petition Blizzard
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Posted - 2011.11.08 16:00:00 -
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In spite of your attempt to get angry responses... You get out of EvE what you put into it. If you never undock, or run missions intelligently, you are likely to never die. If you go looking for the hardcore you are likely to find it. |
Famble
Three's a Crowd
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Posted - 2011.11.08 16:01:00 -
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I realize you're using hyperbole but do you want it as hardcore as the Diablo example you give?
If you could in fact go from 50m to 50k due to a death would that please you?
Seems to me nobody would undock. Would you?
Compare pvp in EvE to say, pvp in WoW. How's the contrast now? How's the pain by comparison after a "defeat?" |
Karn Dulake
Souls Must Be Trampled
The.Alliance
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Posted - 2011.11.08 16:09:00 -
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Famble wrote:I realize you're using hyperbole but do you want it as hardcore as the Diablo example you give?
If you could in fact go from 50m to 50k due to a death would that please you?
Seems to me nobody would undock. Would you?
Compare pvp in EvE to say, pvp in WoW. How's the contrast now? How's the pain by comparison after a "defeat?"
Very true.
Ive never played WOW but im sure that when you pvp there is no chesty pumpy that you get in EVE.
But when you die in this game what you lose is time. The time spent grinding for your ship.
The thing about diablo hardcore mode(just an example) is that people are actively trying to kill you even though they cannot get your stuff. Hardcore griefer central.
But if people lost 1,000,000 SP every time they lost there ship this game would be more hardcore and the super tough hardcore that troll these forums would have the most tears and be the most vocal about it |
Famble
Three's a Crowd
22
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Posted - 2011.11.08 16:13:00 -
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I'll throw this out there for you to think about.
After a couple cocktails on some weekdays I like to scan out people's wormholes and run their sites. I can tell you, without exception that while I'm cleaning out a site then moving my alt in to salvage then finally moving us both back out to empire to sell my loot I am scared. A good scared to be sure, but scared just the same. I get an adrenaline rush that no other game has provided since way back in EverQuest's infancy.
That's my definition of hardcore. I suppose everyone's is different though. |
Jenshae Chiroptera
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Posted - 2011.11.08 16:21:00 -
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Karn Dulake wrote:...
The only people i know who die on a regular basis are those in Nullsec running small gangs or fighting for space.
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Worm holes, high sec war decs - apparently we are doing it wrong.
CSM do you think?
No matter the changes, high sec people chose the safests. Lots of stick and they will leave. Half the problem is the players in null sec; we do not want to be there with you. |
War Kitten
Panda McLegion
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Posted - 2011.11.08 16:25:00 -
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Karn Dulake wrote:
But when you die in this game what you lose is time. The time spent grinding for your ship.
Do you not lose time in the other game as well? Time grinding for your levels or skills or gear?
For the most part, EVE's harshness is the single world with open rules and the people that populate it trying to twist every advantage they can from the unwary.
What you described as hardcore about Diablo is a rule mechanic that can be opted out of by not choosing that mode.
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De'Veldrin
Norse'Storm Battle Group
Intrepid Crossing
69
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Posted - 2011.11.08 16:30:00 -
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Eve has a hardcore mode - everytime you die, biomass that character and start a new one.
There, hardcore mode on.
Unsub or don't.-á I don't care what your reasons are, and neither does anyone else.-á Just click the button and go away - or don't. |
Jenny Cameron
Ordo Eventus
Inception Alliance
19
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Posted - 2011.11.08 16:32:00 -
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De'Veldrin wrote:Eve has a hardcore mode - everytime you die, biomass that character and start a new one.
There, hardcore mode on.
Indeed, hello Kitty Island is just as hardcore as EVE ^^ |
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CCP Necrogoat
C C P
C C P Alliance
13
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Posted - 2011.11.08 16:34:00 -
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War Kitten wrote:In other news, apples taste NOTHING like oranges, despite their constant comparisons.
http://improbable.com/airchives/paperair/volume1/v1i3/air-1-3-apples.html
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Zions Child
Odyssey Inc
SpaceMonkey's Alliance
9
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Posted - 2011.11.08 16:35:00 -
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Jenny Cameron wrote:De'Veldrin wrote:Eve has a hardcore mode - everytime you die, biomass that character and start a new one.
There, hardcore mode on. Indeed, hello Kitty Island is just as hardcore as EVE ^^
Hello kitty most hardcore kitty.
Yes, I intended for your mind to go there. Enjoy. |
Cyniac
Twilight Star Rangers
Black Thorne Alliance
40
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Posted - 2011.11.08 16:40:00 -
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Now that I think about it it's the forums that are really hard core... sheesh double post  |
Cyniac
Twilight Star Rangers
Black Thorne Alliance
40
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Posted - 2011.11.08 16:40:00 -
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Karn Dulake wrote:Its promoted as the coldest of the cold where anything goes but..not really
Yeah this is a game for wimps.
What are you doing here?
But I agree with this:
Gazmin VanBurin wrote:In spite of your attempt to get angry responses... You get out of EvE what you put into it. If you never undock, or run missions intelligently, you are likely to never die. If you go looking for the hardcore you are likely to find it. |
Little Delicious
Imperium's Dark Legion
19
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Posted - 2011.11.08 16:45:00 -
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baal runs on an invincible hammerdin aren't as difficult as wrangling X-amount of mouth-breathers to complete a task in eve. |
Ciar Meara
Virtus Vindice
230
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Posted - 2011.11.08 16:49:00 -
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I dunno about these other guys, but I am pretty hardcore...
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Ann133566
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.11.08 16:52:00 -
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It's a funny thing death in games. I mean in PvP in some games you die so much you just shrug your shoulders and get on with it. I remember playing another MMO called darkfall, I would just run around naked everywhere because I would be ganked and I didn't want to lose anything valuable. If I was brave I would put some trousers on. I stopped playing because it became tedious dying so many times.
In contrast, playing another MMO in PVE mode where you only seem to die in raids is dull also. I think there has to be a balance where you die enough for the game to be scary but not enough for it to become meaningless. Besides, I don't think the word "hardcore" belongs to a computer game. I mean seriously... soldiering in Afghanistan is hardcore, saving people from a burning building is hardcore. Playing a computer game is just passing the time doing something you enjoy. |
War Kitten
Panda McLegion
202
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Posted - 2011.11.08 16:55:00 -
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Indeed, a comparison can be made between the two fruits on various levels, including infrared spectroscopy. However, I did specify "taste" in my analogy.
But well-played anyway :)
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Gogela
Freeport Exploration
114
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Posted - 2011.11.08 16:59:00 -
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It depends on your objective. Hardcore goals require hardcore pilots.
OP - Go take Delve.
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Samillian
Trojan Trolls
Controlled Chaos
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Posted - 2011.11.08 17:00:00 -
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If you want hardcore don't upgrade your clone and fly with +5 implants installed in Low/Null or WH space and make sure you only fly faction fit faction ships. Should do the trick of putting risk back into EvE for you. |
ivar R'dhak
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Posted - 2011.11.08 17:19:00 -
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Hardcore is overrated.
Oldschool is where it-¦s at.
In my days we got locked and everything there was to go by were some stupid flashing exclamation marks !
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Hienz Doofenshmirtz
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.11.08 17:44:00 -
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you want hardcore go fly round rancer some time |
Nyla Skin
Pew Pew Corp
Behold.
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Posted - 2011.11.08 17:46:00 -
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Part of the 'hardcore' image of Eve is also its complexity and learning curve. Ive played since 2007 and theres still lots for me to learn about the game. |
Myxx
Atropos Group
140
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Posted - 2011.11.08 18:38:00 -
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No, not really. Highsec is pretty safe and theres really no reason to worry beyond someone suiciding you for their own giggles and not liking you.
Strings should be cut and it should be made signifigantly less safe. |
pussnheels
Vintage heavy industries
155
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Posted - 2011.11.08 18:46:00 -
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If the game was as hardcore as diablo II we all would be ultimate care bears and just pretty luch overtank everything we fly in even our pod
both nul sec and low sec would be totally empty
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Gogela
Freeport Exploration
114
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Posted - 2011.11.08 19:02:00 -
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pussnheels wrote:If the game was as hardcore as diablo II we all would be the ultimate care bears and just pretty much overtank everything we fly in even our pod
both nul sec and low sec would be totally empty
the game is hardcore in a sense you need plenty ot time, dedication patience and some a do or die mentallity to accomplish your "eve dream"
not always... you can also make other players do the 'work' for you...
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Jekyl Eraser
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2011.11.08 19:25:00 -
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if hardcore is a measure by comparing chance of loss to amount of loss then you can calculate hardcore value.
WOW
you have 10% chance to die in a minute and you lose 1 minute of death times and travel time. WOW hardcore value is 6.
EVE
avrage pilot loses a BC every 3 hours of gametime and by missioning gets 20mil/hour. chance to lose ship every min is 0.74% and amount of loss is 90minutes. EVE hardcore value is 0.666.
WOW is more hardcore than EVE. Things are not allways what they seem.
Someone else may calculate diablo hardcore value.
Edit: oh yea. diablo 1/1=1. Diablo hardcore value is 1. |
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