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Aegieal
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Posted - 2006.03.28 09:56:00 -
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i'm not sure if this is true but i heard someone say that a dev said something about WCSs possibly being changed to have a damage and ROF penalty on them. could someone that knows explain what they plan on doing or link me to the right thread(if there already is one)?
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Shan'Talasha Mea'Questa
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Posted - 2006.03.28 09:58:00 -
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Are you calling this a nerf ?
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Testy Mctest
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Posted - 2006.03.28 10:40:00 -
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Originally by: Aegieal i'm not sure if this is true but i heard someone say that a dev said something about WCSs possibly being changed to have a damage and ROF penalty on them. could someone that knows explain what they plan on doing or link me to the right thread(if there already is one)?
No, no dev has said this.
Testy's Eve Blog!
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MissileRus
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Posted - 2006.03.28 10:45:00 -
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Edited by: MissileRus on 28/03/2006 10:45:48 No, no dev has said this.
they did in las vegas.
and they think 1 frig scrambling a bs is wrong too..
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Acerin Garn
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Posted - 2006.03.28 10:53:00 -
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Originally by: Testy Mctest
Originally by: Aegieal i'm not sure if this is true but i heard someone say that a dev said something about WCSs possibly being changed to have a damage and ROF penalty on them. could someone that knows explain what they plan on doing or link me to the right thread(if there already is one)?
No, no dev has said this.
Doesnt leave much for solo piracy, or pvp setups with WCS's , im aware this is a multiplayer game, but 1 on 1's are important also.
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LWMaverick
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Posted - 2006.03.28 10:53:00 -
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Originally by: Testy Mctest
Originally by: Aegieal i'm not sure if this is true but i heard someone say that a dev said something about WCSs possibly being changed to have a damage and ROF penalty on them. could someone that knows explain what they plan on doing or link me to the right thread(if there already is one)?
No, no dev has said this.
Omg omg omg omg /jumps up and down
Hope this is true \0/
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DayVV4lkEr
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Posted - 2006.03.28 10:55:00 -
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Originally by: Acerin Garn
Originally by: Testy Mctest
Originally by: Aegieal i'm not sure if this is true but i heard someone say that a dev said something about WCSs possibly being changed to have a damage and ROF penalty on them. could someone that knows explain what they plan on doing or link me to the right thread(if there already is one)?
No, no dev has said this.
Doesnt leave much for solo piracy, or pvp setups with WCS's , im aware this is a multiplayer game, but 1 on 1's are important also.
in a 1 vs 1 u should not need WCS and if so u took the wrong enemy
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LukeSky
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Posted - 2006.03.28 10:55:00 -
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Originally by: MissileRus
they did in las vegas.
...after 5 bottles of Tequila con Limon (yup and WITH the salt thingy)
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Forsch
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Posted - 2006.03.28 10:56:00 -
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Originally by: Acerin Garn Doesnt leave much for solo piracy, or pvp setups with WCS's
WCS don't belong on PvP setups anyway!
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Defender of the empire
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Spartan239
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Posted - 2006.03.28 14:01:00 -
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at la, they said they were gonna up the fitting reqs
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Kaeten
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Posted - 2006.03.28 14:17:00 -
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Originally by: Spartan239 at la, they said they were gonna up the fitting reqs
about time
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Kery Nysell
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Posted - 2006.03.28 14:18:00 -
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Originally by: MissileRus Edited by: MissileRus on 28/03/2006 10:49:19 Edited by: MissileRus on 28/03/2006 10:45:48 No, no dev has said this.
they did in las vegas.
and they think 1 frig scrambling a bs is wrong too..
however its ideas n stuff their thinking, doesnt mean its actualy going to happen. but everyone agreed that a BS shouldnt be stopped by a frig and stuff, and their changing instas. so changing ew, scrambling, when they change instas might be good. like it is today no instas means death. they talked a whole lot in vegas
If they really think that "1 frig scrambling a bs is wrong", could you explain why they implemented the Mark 2 Project, with its Tech 1 tackling frigates ?
Also, I thought that the point of Interceptors was to have a frigate able to lock any ship in place while their gangmates pound it to dust ...
But since I don't do any PvP, and won't ever if I can avoid it, I may be totally wrong.
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Cade Morrigan
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Posted - 2006.03.28 14:25:00 -
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So if tackling a BS with a Frig is "wrong", what will be the point of flying a frig if they correct this "error"?
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Xendie
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Posted - 2006.03.28 14:26:00 -
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a whole lot of WCS on ships came not so far after the change so BS would need frig guns and frig drones to kill tacklers.
thats one part of it.
second part is the removal of stacking dmg mods, people stick those extra slots full with wcs instead.
third part, they artificially/havent regulated the Tech2 market so tech2 ships and modules are skyrocketing due to bad design and no action or not enough action byu the devs on it so ppl are more likely to fit stabs on those ships also since there is no insurance on them.
all these things and propably a few more has made eve the WCS heaven it is today. but there is a remedy, FIT ENOUGH SCRAMBLERS!
there are ships with 8 lowslots and there are ships with 8 midslots. for every stab in a lowslot you can scramble for 2point with one midslot.
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Originally by: F'nog This would be great, because lag is not at all a problem currently.
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MissileRus
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Posted - 2006.03.28 14:30:00 -
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Edited by: MissileRus on 28/03/2006 14:32:20
Originally by: Kery Nysell
Originally by: MissileRus Edited by: MissileRus on 28/03/2006 10:49:19 Edited by: MissileRus on 28/03/2006 10:45:48 No, no dev has said this.
they did in las vegas.
and they think 1 frig scrambling a bs is wrong too..
however its ideas n stuff their thinking, doesnt mean its actualy going to happen. but everyone agreed that a BS shouldnt be stopped by a frig and stuff, and their changing instas. so changing ew, scrambling, when they change instas might be good. like it is today no instas means death. they talked a whole lot in vegas
If they really think that "1 frig scrambling a bs is wrong", could you explain why they implemented the Mark 2 Project, with its Tech 1 tackling frigates ?
Also, I thought that the point of Interceptors was to have a frigate able to lock any ship in place while their gangmates pound it to dust ...
But since I don't do any PvP, and won't ever if I can avoid it, I may be totally wrong.
i think you should lisnen to the q/a from las vegas and ask the devs questions, because i dont know **** what their thinking but basicly they said they agreed to that 1 tiny little frig shouldnt be able to stop a bs like they can today, and since their changing instas it makes sence, because noone would be out in a bs if a 200k ship can completely disable you with 1 mod etc etc etc.. to me it sound like they want more fair battles and sutch. mark 2 project what? i have no clue about it, im just saying what the devs were thinking.
sure they had some drinks but i did not say its going to happen either. they said it though. and it makes sence if their changing instas and ew, a frig would be pwnage if you cant insta jump anymore, imagine frigs at every dmn gate, noone using bs anymore. gawd wish some ppl thought a bit more then just on their ship and be so defensive about it.. think bigger
edit: not mainly directed to you Kery
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Spartan239
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Posted - 2006.03.28 14:44:00 -
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Originally by: MissileRus Edited by: MissileRus on 28/03/2006 14:32:20
Originally by: Kery Nysell
Originally by: MissileRus Edited by: MissileRus on 28/03/2006 10:49:19 Edited by: MissileRus on 28/03/2006 10:45:48 No, no dev has said this.
they did in las vegas.
and they think 1 frig scrambling a bs is wrong too..
however its ideas n stuff their thinking, doesnt mean its actualy going to happen. but everyone agreed that a BS shouldnt be stopped by a frig and stuff, and their changing instas. so changing ew, scrambling, when they change instas might be good. like it is today no instas means death. they talked a whole lot in vegas
If they really think that "1 frig scrambling a bs is wrong", could you explain why they implemented the Mark 2 Project, with its Tech 1 tackling frigates ?
Also, I thought that the point of Interceptors was to have a frigate able to lock any ship in place while their gangmates pound it to dust ...
But since I don't do any PvP, and won't ever if I can avoid it, I may be totally wrong.
i think you should lisnen to the q/a from las vegas and ask the devs questions, because i dont know **** what their thinking but basicly they said they agreed to that 1 tiny little frig shouldnt be able to stop a bs like they can today, and since their changing instas it makes sence, because noone would be out in a bs if a 200k ship can completely disable you with 1 mod etc etc etc.. to me it sound like they want more fair battles and sutch. mark 2 project what? i have no clue about it, im just saying what the devs were thinking.
sure they had some drinks but i did not say its going to happen either. they said it though. and it makes sence if their changing instas and ew, a frig would be pwnage if you cant insta jump anymore, imagine frigs at every dmn gate, noone using bs anymore. gawd wish some ppl thought a bit more then just on their ship and be so defensive about it.. think bigger
edit: not mainly directed to you Kery
they were talking about frigs scrambaling cap ships, not bs
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madaluap
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Posted - 2006.03.28 14:54:00 -
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Edited by: madaluap on 28/03/2006 14:54:48 think you are confused, this thread is about warpcorestab nerfage. they arent boosting them.
Quote: Acerin Garn
Quote: Doesnt leave much for solo piracy
when solo pirating you need a lot of scramblers gimping your setup. this is gone after this nerf. =GOOD, dont get your argument though...
Quote: Acerin Garn
Quote: or pvp setups with WCS's
pvp setups with stabs =BAD
Quote: Acerin Garn
Quote: im aware this is a multiplayer game, but 1 on 1's are important also.
with warpcorestabs nerfed 1 vs 1 is better, now you dont engage someone put 4 points on him and see him warpout...
but ok, i think you misread or something or you are bad @ pvp , because you are assuming you will allways have to warp out or die. which is not the case in (warning compleet random number )95% of the solo-piracy cases. _________________________________________________
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MissileRus
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Posted - 2006.03.28 14:59:00 -
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Originally by: Spartan239
they were talking about frigs scrambaling cap ships, not bs
they said battleships realy.. not a single word about capital ships was in that discussion sry..
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Spartan239
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Posted - 2006.03.28 15:02:00 -
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Originally by: MissileRus
Originally by: Spartan239
they were talking about frigs scrambaling cap ships, not bs
they said battleships realy.. not a single word about capital ships was in that discussion sry..
i listned to the podcasts twice i distnictly remebrs cap ships
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MissileRus
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Posted - 2006.03.28 15:15:00 -
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they talked about capital ships, but the part im refering to they talked about battleships and wsc, and frigs stopping battleships. theres no way im listening to 3+ hours of q/a again, and i have listnend to them 3-4 times. best would be to get TomB or whoever it was that talked about it say what they meant, but im sure they had a hell of a party so they wont remember anything ill bring a quote because your thinking about the wrong thing. think its on part 2 of the podcasts.
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phredrik
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Posted - 2006.03.28 16:55:00 -
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Saying an Inty should not be able to tackle a Battleship is like saying a Battlehship should not be able to carry guns. Its the purpose of the ship.
Right now Stabs are used by small gangs who attack larger forces. Notice how most of the people that are really against stabs are the people the travel in huge blobs. I'm all for balanced game play but it seems like there is a huge cry to nerf anything that allows stratagy to have an impact on battle. Should the game just add up the number of people on each side and declare a winner based on who has the bigger number ?
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Kery Nysell
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Posted - 2006.03.28 17:25:00 -
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I did not take it personnaly.
BTW, the last time I fitted a WCS was last year, when I was in a corp at war ...
I fitted 3 on my Badger II to try to move all I had back then to a less-camped-by-our-ennemies system, but I got caught by 2 Inties and a BS, scrambled for more than enough points, and ruthlessly destroyed and podded ...
Yes, I lost everything I had, I was a 3-weeks noob back then, and I had to restart from scratch ... I had less than 50K on my wallet, and a "free" Ibis waited for me at my clone's station.
I disliked PvP in MMORPGs before that, but that little event drove me over the edge to "truly and totally loathe PvP" ...
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MrMorph
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Posted - 2006.03.28 17:35:00 -
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Originally by: Cade Morrigan So if tackling a BS with a Frig is "wrong", what will be the point of flying a frig if they correct this "error"?
1 tackler to take a hauler, 2 to take a cruiser, 3 to take a bs. Sounds fun, doesnt it ? :P
They all fly in ganksquads of 10+ anyways, so just a little less firepower to omfggank the person :P ---------------------------------------------- No sig due to the 1byte 1 pixel limit.
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Adrian Steel
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Posted - 2006.03.28 17:49:00 -
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Edited by: Adrian Steel on 28/03/2006 17:54:33
Originally by: phredrik Saying an Inty should not be able to tackle a Battleship is like saying a Battlehship should not be able to carry guns. Its the purpose of the ship.
Right now Stabs are used by small gangs who attack larger forces. Notice how most of the people that are really against stabs are the people the travel in huge blobs. I'm all for balanced game play but it seems like there is a huge cry to nerf anything that allows stratagy to have an impact on battle. Should the game just add up the number of people on each side and declare a winner based on who has the bigger number ?
Well said. Very well said.
Aside from the lax fitting requirements, I don't see any problems with warp core stabilizers. They're a valid tactical utility.
It's been my experience that, often, those that complain about "imbalances" in this game (aside from, say, the old turret-missile balance) are unoriginal thinkers that want everything to go their way, all the time.
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Doc Extropy
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Posted - 2006.03.28 18:03:00 -
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Originally by: LWMaverick
Originally by: Testy Mctest
Originally by: Aegieal i'm not sure if this is true but i heard someone say that a dev said something about WCSs possibly being changed to have a damage and ROF penalty on them. could someone that knows explain what they plan on doing or link me to the right thread(if there already is one)?
No, no dev has said this.
Omg omg omg omg /jumps up and down
Hope this is true \0/
I see. Forcing YOUR way of gameplay upon others makes YOU happy.
Happy jumping.
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Xori Ruscuv
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Posted - 2006.03.28 18:18:00 -
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And uh... just when did they say they were going to "change" instas?
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Odda
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Posted - 2006.03.28 18:30:00 -
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Wy Fix somting thats not broke!?
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Hohenheim OfLight
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Posted - 2006.03.28 18:32:00 -
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CAn we not jsut leave stabs alone, if you dont have enuth scrams to stop a stabbed up ship then your not risking enuth to deserve to get the kill.
Peopel say eve is all about risk and reward, that is untill you come to the gate camp peeps who should have all the risk removed. ----------------------------------------------
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Jenny Spitfire
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Posted - 2006.03.28 18:33:00 -
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I demand my WCS T2! ----------------
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Xori Ruscuv
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Posted - 2006.03.28 18:54:00 -
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Originally by: Xori Ruscuv And uh... just when did they say they were going to "change" instas?
Well? Don't make me make a new thread to just ask that!
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