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CCP Phantom
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2014.01.27 17:15:00 -
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With Rubicon 1.1, to be deployed on Tuesday, Jan 28, we will introduce amongst other things the new Sisters of EVE battleship, the Nestor. Team "Game of Drones" worked also on UI improvements such as adding "Traits" to the ship "Show info" window which will show skill bonus applied to the ship in a similar fashion as the ISIS.
Check out all the goodies coming from Team "Game of Drones" in CCP Xhagen's latest dev blog Rubicon 1.1: Sisters of EVE Reinforcements and UI fine-tuning.
We welcome your feedback and constructive discussions in this thread here. CCP Phantom - Senior Community Representative - Volunteer Manager |
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Damarius Kaotica
The Dark Crusaders.
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Posted - 2014.01.27 17:22:00 -
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First! ;) |
Winterbliss
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
33
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Posted - 2014.01.27 17:25:00 -
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I'm curious to know why the Nestor has a shuttle bay and model when it doesn't have a ship maintenance array? |
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
2605
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Posted - 2014.01.27 17:26:00 -
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Any chance of getting the traits broken out into a yaml file or similar, as they're no longer in the SDE? Steve Ronuken for CSM 9! http://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/ Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter |
Sylari Azure
The Coterie of Cascadian Fellows
0
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Posted - 2014.01.27 17:29:00 -
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Awesome, nice increase on the Armor Repairer range!! This is what the people's wanted! ty! excited! |
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CCP RubberBAND
CCP Engineering Corp CCP Engineering Alliance
270
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Posted - 2014.01.27 17:45:00 -
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Steve Ronuken wrote:Any chance of getting the traits broken out into a yaml file or similar, as they're no longer in the SDE?
Sure, we'll figure something out and let you guys know.
Feel free to poke me on: Twitter |
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Rekkr Nordgard
The Ardency of Faith
360
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Posted - 2014.01.27 17:46:00 -
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I still have no idea why anyone would fly a Nestor when there are ships for 10% to 25% of its price tag that do all of its possible roles better or equally well. |
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
2605
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Posted - 2014.01.27 17:47:00 -
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CCP RubberBAND wrote:Steve Ronuken wrote:Any chance of getting the traits broken out into a yaml file or similar, as they're no longer in the SDE? Sure, we'll figure something out and let you guys know.
\o/ Steve Ronuken for CSM 9! http://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/ Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter |
Davion Falcon
Those Once Loyal
86
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Posted - 2014.01.27 17:48:00 -
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So, when's the team going to take a look at the horribly out-of-touch requirements for the 'mastery' system? Ruthlessness is the kindness of the wise. Never forgotten, never forgiven. |
Quinn Corvez
Probe Patrol Polarized.
188
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Posted - 2014.01.27 18:03:00 -
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Oh boy! An exploration ship that is slow and unable to travel through low/null sec in relative safety... Just what I've always wanted!
You guys are dumb for not giving the Nestor a covert cloak or a jump drive. Fact! |
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
10961
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Posted - 2014.01.27 18:08:00 -
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Wicked!
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Sofia Wolf
Ubuntu Inc. The Fourth District
289
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Posted - 2014.01.27 18:43:00 -
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Rekkr Nordgard wrote:I still have no idea why anyone would fly a Nestor when there are ships for 10% to 25% of its price tag that do all of its possible roles better or equally well.
With their ridiculously small mass I presume they should be slowcat equivalent for wormholes. Blob of say 20 of those would have exceptional self reping ability, and branch of drones to burn down any opposition. Jessica Danikov > EVE is your real life. the rest is fantasy. caught in a corporation. no escape from banality. open up yours eyes, peer through pod good and seeeeeee. I'm just a poor pilot, I need no sympathy. because I'm easy scam, easy go, little isk, little know. anyway the solar wind blows... |
Al Khalid
Coffee And Apathy Limited Liability The Obsidian Front
0
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Posted - 2014.01.27 18:49:00 -
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Cool to see the market infos being updated. However, it would be cool to see more informations as well on the tabs such as Armor, Shield, Speed etc without having to open the Info.
This would be good for modules as well! |
Sylari Azure
The Coterie of Cascadian Fellows
0
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Posted - 2014.01.27 18:55:00 -
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Quinn Corvez wrote:Oh boy! An exploration ship that is slow and unable to travel through low/null sec in relative safety... Just what I've always wanted! You guys are dumb for not giving the Nestor a covert cloak or a jump drive. Fact!
I won't use the term 'fact' but I will say that it's highly likely that you are a moron who rationalizes before using logic.
Case? This post. Please repost with some form of statement in which you are not a raving lunatic, thank you. |
Rob Crowley
State War Academy
275
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Posted - 2014.01.27 18:58:00 -
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CCP RubberBAND wrote:Steve Ronuken wrote:Any chance of getting the traits broken out into a yaml file or similar, as they're no longer in the SDE? Sure, we'll figure something out and let you guys know. Awesome! The thanks of 3rd party devs making fitting tools and ship databases will be yours.
Apart from that little and hopefully short-lived annoyance those are all great changes. |
Batelle
Komm susser Tod
1404
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Posted - 2014.01.27 19:04:00 -
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I really hope someone finds a good use for those nestors and is willing to pay around 1.7bn or more per hull. That would be... really great. For my wallet. "CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"
Never forget. |
Dallas Black
The Kessel Run
0
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Posted - 2014.01.27 19:08:00 -
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Lovely looking ship, it would have been fun to have a covert cloak but Im sure it will still be a brilliant logi ship. |
Quinn Corvez
Probe Patrol Polarized.
191
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Posted - 2014.01.27 19:16:00 -
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Sylari Azure wrote:Quinn Corvez wrote:Oh boy! An exploration ship that is slow and unable to travel through low/null sec in relative safety... Just what I've always wanted! You guys are dumb for not giving the Nestor a covert cloak or a jump drive. Fact! I won't use the term 'fact' but I will say that it's highly likely that you are a moron who rationalizes before using logic. Case? This post. Please repost with some form of statement in which you are not a raving lunatic, thank you.
Or maybe the moron is the one who fail to see the irony of someone stating that there personal opinion is a fact...
That said, I think the majority of player would agree that a exploration ship without a cloak wasn't what we needed. A cloaky logistics ship on the other hand, is something that would be useful to many players. |
Blastcaps Madullier
Handsome Millionaire Playboys Mordus Angels
110
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Posted - 2014.01.27 21:41:00 -
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That with the investor you should have given it shield as well as armour logo bonuses, this way it's free to be used as either shield or armour logo (incursions and PvP spring to mind) |
Reinforced Metal Scrap
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.01.27 21:51:00 -
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The Nestor really needs a shuttle bay to match its model . Dedicated forum alt. Ingredients: 99.9% Pure Tritanium. May contain traces of peanuts. |
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Diaxis Blema
eat a big bowl of bics Brothers of Tangra
0
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Posted - 2014.01.27 22:00:00 -
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When are we going to see a logistic battleship for shields? Or is that something that y'all already have in the cooker? Would be really nice to see one real soon. |
Irya Boone
TIPIAKS
337
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Posted - 2014.01.27 22:10:00 -
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LOVE you Game of drones if just after that you revamp the Drone UI and prevent CCP ( your boss ) to mess with drones more than now , i will be your slave to you all in the team .
RENAME null sec systems With the name of REAL Universe Stellar Name like KOI-730 etc etc It will be awesome. Need Black Ops be able to FIT cover ops cloaking device !!! |
Jason Atavuli
SA-Brotherhood WHYS0 Expendable
1
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Posted - 2014.01.27 22:11:00 -
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Quinn Corvez wrote:Sylari Azure wrote:Quinn Corvez wrote:Oh boy! An exploration ship that is slow and unable to travel through low/null sec in relative safety... Just what I've always wanted! You guys are dumb for not giving the Nestor a covert cloak or a jump drive. Fact! I won't use the term 'fact' but I will say that it's highly likely that you are a moron who rationalizes before using logic. Case? This post. Please repost with some form of statement in which you are not a raving lunatic, thank you. Or maybe the moron is the one who fail to see the irony of someone stating that there personal opinion is a fact... That said, I think the majority of player would agree that a exploration ship without a cloak wasn't what we needed. A cloaky logistics ship on the other hand, is something that would be useful to many players.
Or maybe the Astero and Stratios are the relatively safe null exploration ships...
And maybe the Nestor is the nullbear ratting ship which can field 5 sentries, poke at rats with a laser to assign aggro, and rep armor on a few alts in dommies, and maybe that 1 other Alt in an Eos (who's boosting rep rate and repper cap usage). All while being able to warp out faster than a Thanatos if a dropper enters system, and do a ghost site without caring if the site goes boom.
Perhaps the probe bonus is there because it's an SOE ship, kinda like gallente ships that mostly have some kind of armor and drone bonus, and yet they don't all have the +7.5% to drone tracking the Dommie has.
All that aside, who the hell goes ninja exploring in a battleship anyway? BLOPS bro, if you really feel safer in a cloaky lump it's not that much skilling, and besides you really should have all the core skills to 5 and all the t1 sub cap hulls and weapons to 5 already or you're doing it wrong ;)
Oh and Etana . . . or fit a cloak to a scimi / guardian. Yes I know it nerfs the scan res, but if you don't like that, get an Etana.
Complaining about what isn't won't help, work with what you've got bro. That's half the fun of EVE Pretoria EVE meet 7 December 2013, Centurion Rugby Club.Bring & Braai, Cash Bar on site.-á-áMany thanks to-áthe Organisers, "Warpcore Stabilisers"-áDit gaan 'n lekker jol wees manne :D-á |
Celia Therone
University of Caille Gallente Federation
65
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Posted - 2014.01.27 22:33:00 -
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Are the bpc details of the Nestor (like materials needed to construct one) on the web anywhere? |
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
2607
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Posted - 2014.01.27 22:41:00 -
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Celia Therone wrote:Are the bpc details of the Nestor (like materials needed to construct one) on the web anywhere?
https://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/blueprints/9/33472/0/5/0/5 Steve Ronuken for CSM 9! http://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/ Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter |
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor Cosmic Consortium
4812
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Posted - 2014.01.27 22:46:00 -
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How long until the PLEX interface is incorporated into the Character Sheet under "Pilot's Licence"? Day 0 advice for new players: Day 0 Advice for New Players |
Zalifer Esepula
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
23
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Posted - 2014.01.27 23:14:00 -
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"... or activate 30 days of passive skill gain ... "
I don't use plex, so is this a new wording? Is there another type of skill gain I do not know? The wording suggests an active skill gain method. Not suggesting active skill training is being added, just that it's odd wording. |
Quinn Corvez
Probe Patrol
193
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Posted - 2014.01.28 00:19:00 -
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Jason Atavuli wrote: Or maybe the Astero and Stratios are the relatively safe null exploration ships...
And maybe the Nestor is the nullbear ratting ship which can field 5 sentries, poke at rats with a laser to assign aggro, and rep armor on a few alts in dommies, and maybe that 1 other Alt in an Eos (who's boosting rep rate and repper cap usage). All while being able to warp out faster than a Thanatos if a dropper enters system, and do a ghost site without caring if the site goes boom.
Perhaps the probe bonus is there because it's an SOE ship, kinda like gallente ships that mostly have some kind of armor and drone bonus, and yet they don't all have the +7.5% to drone tracking the Dommie has.
All that aside, who the hell goes ninja exploring in a battleship anyway? BLOPS bro, if you really feel safer in a cloaky lump it's not that much skilling, and besides you really should have all the core skills to 5 and all the t1 sub cap hulls and weapons to 5 already or you're doing it wrong ;)
Oh and Etana . . . or fit a cloak to a scimi / guardian. Yes I know it nerfs the scan res, but if you don't like that, get an Etana.
Complaining about what isn't won't help, work with what you've got bro. That's half the fun of EVE
Nah sorry, I'm not convinced. With the amount of interceptors flying around these days, the only place a non covert cloak BS class ship could explore is in high sec.
If you are right and this is intended for a stationary null bear, the Nestor will cost as much as a carrier but it can't do anything solo, so only a fool would buy this.
Suggesting people buy a ultra rare alliance tournament ship to fill the role of a cloaky logi is a bit unreasonable, don't you think? And incase you didn't know, scimi and guardians can't use a covert cloak. Neither can the Blackops but what is does have is a jump drive, which is vital for the ship.
So yeah, you may disagree but I think that this ship brings nothing worthwhile to the game as it is.
For PVP: it's a bad dominix with RR bonuses For PVE: it's no better that any other combat BS For exploration: it's unfit for purpose |
Coras Aldeland
K32 Industries
3
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Posted - 2014.01.28 02:59:00 -
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How about killing the background noise in the ISIS screen? Is there a setting I missed?
BTW, good job on ISIS - it is very nice. |
Salpun
Global Telstar Federation Offices Masters of Flying Objects
687
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Posted - 2014.01.28 03:41:00 -
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The new reworked to tutorial is great needs to have its own thread though. If i dont know something about EVE. I check https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/ISK_The_Guide
See you around the universe. |
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Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor Cosmic Consortium
4813
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Posted - 2014.01.28 03:44:00 -
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Jason Atavuli wrote:GǪ and do a ghost site without caring if the site goes boom.
GǪ
All that aside, who the hell goes ninja exploring in a battleship anyway?
Did you answer your own question before you asked it?
Day 0 advice for new players: Day 0 Advice for New Players |
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
982
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Posted - 2014.01.28 04:11:00 -
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Yea, as has been said a thousand times at least in the other thread, Nestor is in a terrible place, and serves no actual purpose, it has gimmicks that won't be used, unlike all the other Pirate BS that see significant use. |
Quinn Corvez
Probe Patrol
193
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Posted - 2014.01.28 08:31:00 -
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Quinn Corvez wrote:Jason Atavuli wrote: Or maybe the Astero and Stratios are the relatively safe null exploration ships...
And maybe the Nestor is the nullbear ratting ship which can field 5 sentries, poke at rats with a laser to assign aggro, and rep armor on a few alts in dommies, and maybe that 1 other Alt in an Eos (who's boosting rep rate and repper cap usage). All while being able to warp out faster than a Thanatos if a dropper enters system, and do a ghost site without caring if the site goes boom.
Perhaps the probe bonus is there because it's an SOE ship, kinda like gallente ships that mostly have some kind of armor and drone bonus, and yet they don't all have the +7.5% to drone tracking the Dommie has.
All that aside, who the hell goes ninja exploring in a battleship anyway? BLOPS bro, if you really feel safer in a cloaky lump it's not that much skilling, and besides you really should have all the core skills to 5 and all the t1 sub cap hulls and weapons to 5 already or you're doing it wrong ;)
Oh and Etana . . . or fit a cloak to a scimi / guardian. Yes I know it nerfs the scan res, but if you don't like that, get an Etana.
Complaining about what isn't won't help, work with what you've got bro. That's half the fun of EVE
Nah sorry, I'm not convinced. With the amount of interceptors flying around these days, the only place a non covert cloak BS class ship could explore is in high sec. If you are right and this is intended for a stationary null bear, the Nestor will cost as much as a carrier but it can't do anything solo, so only a fool would buy this. Besides, nullbears don't warrant the creation of a new faction battleship. Suggesting people buy a ultra rare alliance tournament ship to fill the role of a cloaky logi is a bit unreasonable, don't you think? And incase you didn't know, scimi and guardians can't use a covert cloak. Neither can the Blackops but what is does have is a jump drive, which is vital for the ship. So yeah, you may disagree but I think that this ship brings nothing worthwhile to the game as it is. For PVP: it's a bad dominix with RR bonuses For PVE: it's no better than any other combat BS For exploration: it's unfit for purpose
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Cryo Kool
Tax Holiday
26
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Posted - 2014.01.28 12:18:00 -
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Reinforced Metal Scrap wrote:The Nestor really needs a shuttle bay to match its model . I concur. Nestor needs a ship maintenance array large enough for a shuttle to match it's model. |
Allaera
Oh Bugga League 0f Grumpy 0ld Farts
19
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Posted - 2014.01.28 13:45:00 -
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Sylari Azure wrote:Awesome, nice increase on the Armor Repairer range!! This is what the people's wanted! ty! excited!
What range increase? If you are talking about the Nestor's bonus (as I assume you are) I'd love to know where the hell you got that idea from as the Devs didn't change a damn thing on that ill-conceived lump since CCP Rise announced it back in early December!!
CCP Rise's announcement
Patchnotes (scroll down a tad)
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Allaera
Oh Bugga League 0f Grumpy 0ld Farts
19
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Posted - 2014.01.28 13:53:00 -
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Jason Atavuli wrote:
Oh and Etana . . . or fit a cloak to a scimi / guardian. Yes I know it nerfs the scan res, but if you don't like that, get an Etana.
Exactly because there a metric crap ton of Etanas (or is it Etanii? Whatever...) on the market right now........wait, you were actually serious?!
Jason Atavuli wrote:
Complaining about what isn't won't help, work with what you've got bro. That's half the fun of EVE
Why the hell not? I works for Goons |
Cypher Decypher
Flowery Twats
23
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Posted - 2014.01.28 14:40:00 -
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Allaera wrote:Sylari Azure wrote:Awesome, nice increase on the Armor Repairer range!! This is what the people's wanted! ty! excited! What range increase? If you are talking about the Nestor's bonus (as I assume you are) I'd love to know where the hell you got that idea from as the Devs didn't change a damn thing on that ill-conceived lump since CCP Rise announced it back in early December!! CCP Rise's announcementPatchnotes (scroll down a tad)
100% bonus to remote armor repairer range
I think he's referring to the stock increase of 100%, rather than a further increase on that..
Either way this boat will be nothing but a Collectors' Item. |
Mag's
the united SCUM.
16615
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Posted - 2014.01.28 14:48:00 -
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Messtor.
Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless. |
Celia Therone
University of Caille Gallente Federation
65
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Posted - 2014.01.28 22:45:00 -
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Allaera wrote:Sylari Azure wrote:Awesome, nice increase on the Armor Repairer range!! This is what the people's wanted! ty! excited! What range increase? If you are talking about the Nestor's bonus (as I assume you are) I'd love to know where the hell you got that idea from as the Devs didn't change a damn thing on that ill-conceived lump since CCP Rise announced it back in early December!! CCP Rise's announcementPatchnotes (scroll down a tad) When Rise originally posted the Nestor didn't have the +100% remote repair range, the original post got edited to add that bonus due to feedback.
You can see where someone quoted Rise's original post, without the range bonus, here: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3958158#post3958158
Here's Rise's post about them adding the repair range bonus: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3966636#post3966636
Rise also increased the warp speed to 2.5AU/sec from 2.0 AU/sec.
(I'm not saying that these changes made the Nestor into a desirable ship, but they were made.) |
Aramis Rosicrux
Ordo Rosa Crux Templaris
20
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Posted - 2014.01.29 03:52:00 -
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I love the look of the Nestor, but I would not be caught dead in one.
This ship is a gift to the big alliances.
Small fleets will not be able to protect it. But you put six of these and a few dozen damage BS'es on the field and you become untouchable.
In fleet warefare, this is going to be a trump card.
For solers, the Asteros and Stratios are credible options, but you know, every PvPer in Eve wants to kill one.
Aramis Rosicrux
============================================================ Whats with the 95 percent reduction in null sec bounties? That's kind of lame! |
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Allaera
Oh Bugga League 0f Grumpy 0ld Farts
21
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Posted - 2014.01.29 03:56:00 -
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Celia Therone wrote:Allaera wrote:Sylari Azure wrote:Awesome, nice increase on the Armor Repairer range!! This is what the people's wanted! ty! excited! What range increase? If you are talking about the Nestor's bonus (as I assume you are) I'd love to know where the hell you got that idea from as the Devs didn't change a damn thing on that ill-conceived lump since CCP Rise announced it back in early December!! CCP Rise's announcementPatchnotes (scroll down a tad) When Rise originally posted the Nestor didn't have the +100% remote repair range, the original post got edited to add that bonus due to feedback. You can see where someone quoted Rise's original post, without the range bonus, here: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3958158#post3958158Here's Rise's post about them adding the repair range bonus: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3966636#post3966636Rise also increased the warp speed to 2.5AU/sec from 2.0 AU/sec. (I'm not saying that these changes made the Nestor into a desirable ship, but they were made.)
Ah, I must have missed that page
I stand corrected. Thanks for that Celia and apologies to Sylari
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DeAira
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
8
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Posted - 2014.01.29 04:29:00 -
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So this is only useful in wormholes? That seems rather limited.
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CCP Creber Cattus
C C P C C P Alliance
24
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Posted - 2014.01.30 10:27:00 -
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CCP RubberBAND wrote:Steve Ronuken wrote:Any chance of getting the traits broken out into a yaml file or similar, as they're no longer in the SDE? Sure, we'll figure something out and let you guys know.
In the newest SDE then ship types (in the typesIDs.yaml file) contain traits (both role bonuses and skill bonuses). You can get the Rubicon 1.1.2 SDE here
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Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
2620
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Posted - 2014.01.30 10:37:00 -
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CCP Creber Cattus wrote:CCP RubberBAND wrote:Steve Ronuken wrote:Any chance of getting the traits broken out into a yaml file or similar, as they're no longer in the SDE? Sure, we'll figure something out and let you guys know. In the newest SDE then ship types (in the typesIDs.yaml file) contain traits (both role bonuses and skill bonuses). You can get the Rubicon 1.1.2 SDE here
Are there any other changes? Or just the yaml update? (Mostly asking so I know if a full conversion run is needed, or just a point update) Steve Ronuken for CSM 9! http://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/ Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter |
Rob Crowley
State War Academy
276
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Posted - 2014.01.31 10:14:00 -
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CCP Creber Cattus wrote:In the newest SDE then ship types (in the typesIDs.yaml file) contain traits (both role bonuses and skill bonuses). You can get the Rubicon 1.1.2 SDE here Thanks for the quick fix, much appreciated!
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Malcorian Vandsteidt
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
123
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Posted - 2014.02.09 11:41:00 -
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CCP Phantom wrote:With Rubicon 1.1, to be deployed on Tuesday, Jan 28, we will introduce amongst other things the new Sisters of EVE battleship, the Nestor. Team "Game of Drones" worked also on UI improvements such as adding "Traits" to the ship "Show info" window which will show skill bonus applied to the ship in a similar fashion as the ISIS. Check out all the goodies coming from Team "Game of Drones" in CCP Xhagen's latest dev blog Rubicon 1.1: Sisters of EVE Reinforcements and UI fine-tuning. We welcome your feedback and constructive discussions in this thread here.
Honestly, for 1 mil LP I kind of expected this to have better bonuses (Ship wise) Instead of just 4% Armor resistances. Also this ship class (SOE in general) should be available to all players, not just Armor users.
It should contain the folllowing (Or a secondary Optional Ship of the same class with 4% Shield resistances). Also due to the low amount of Lowslots, your not looking at a very good tank if you want any DPS. As mostly this ship will be used for PvE, you would think it would be made more viable for missioning.
Slot Changes:
Highslots - 7 Midslots - 6 Lowslots - 8
--- For a decent Armor tank (with sufficient DPS) you need a minimum of 7 Lowslots. 8 is prefered on Mission / PvE ships. --- For a decent Shield tank you need a minimum of 6 midslots (Currently this is what the ship has).
Armor:
Amarr BS Bonuses:
* 4% bonus to Armor resistances (Per level) * 7% Bonus to Repair Amount of Armor Repers (Per Level)
Caldari BS Bonuses:
Shield:
* 4% Bonus to Shield Resistances (Per Level) * 7% bonus to Shield Booster amount (Per Level)
Galente BS Bonuses:
* Remain the same
But you say that's 3 ship type Bonuses?... So? "It's SOE and Costs 1 MILLION LP" (Or 3 Billion + ISK) Thats 3 times as much as any other Faction ship pirate or otherwise, and the cost of a fraken Dreadnaught!). It had better damn well be worth it. This bennifits both veterans and Newer players, if your cross faction trained you get max bonuses to shield and armor. If your a newer player you still get a tank bonus whether you play armor or shield.
This also makes it worth the price tag.
And currently.. well... It isn't.
Some might say my change sugestions ar a bit OP.... Well... if I'm paying the same price for a BS, as I would pay for a dreadnought.... Well.... It should be OP (For it's ship class). Not worse then a regular T-1.
Why would you pay 1 mil LP or 3 billion ISk for a ship that's worse then most T1 BS's?
I wouldn't. |
Malcorian Vandsteidt
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
123
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Posted - 2014.02.09 11:55:00 -
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DeAira wrote:So this is only useful in wormholes? That seems rather limited.
It's not useful at all, look at the tank. It wouldn't survive in a C3, let a lone a C4. And definitely not worth the 1 mil LP or 3 bil Price tag as I pointed out before. I lived in a C4 for 2 years, this is 100% not something I would ever fly. I'd fly a Dominix or Domi Navy (If I was going for armor), because it is infinitely more useful and infinitely cheaper then this piece of garbage. (No offense). Or a Navy Scorp if I was going for Shield again because it's infinitely cheaper and more useful.
Sadly this ship will be a "Novelty Item". Something cool to own and look at, but due to the price tag and **** bonuses - not really useful for anything other then level 3 missions, Highsec anomalies, or sitting in your Hanger looking pretty. Much like the special Edition BC they put out. pretty to look at, but useless in functionality and realistic purpose due to slot layout and price. |
Malcorian Vandsteidt
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
123
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Posted - 2014.02.09 12:04:00 -
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Jason Atavuli wrote:Quinn Corvez wrote:Sylari Azure wrote:Quinn Corvez wrote:Oh boy! An exploration ship that is slow and unable to travel through low/null sec in relative safety... Just what I've always wanted! You guys are dumb for not giving the Nestor a covert cloak or a jump drive. Fact! I won't use the term 'fact' but I will say that it's highly likely that you are a moron who rationalizes before using logic. Case? This post. Please repost with some form of statement in which you are not a raving lunatic, thank you. Or maybe the moron is the one who fail to see the irony of someone stating that there personal opinion is a fact... That said, I think the majority of player would agree that a exploration ship without a cloak wasn't what we needed. A cloaky logistics ship on the other hand, is something that would be useful to many players. Or maybe the Astero and Stratios are the relatively safe null exploration ships... And maybe the Nestor is the nullbear ratting ship which can field 5 sentries, poke at rats with a laser to assign aggro, and rep armor on a few alts in dommies, and maybe that 1 other Alt in an Eos (who's boosting rep rate and repper cap usage). All while being able to warp out faster than a Thanatos if a dropper enters system, and do a ghost site without caring if the site goes boom. Perhaps the probe bonus is there because it's an SOE ship, kinda like gallente ships that mostly have some kind of armor and drone bonus, and yet they don't all have the +7.5% to drone tracking the Dommie has. All that aside, who the hell goes ninja exploring in a battleship anyway? BLOPS bro, if you really feel safer in a cloaky lump it's not that much skilling, and besides you really should have all the core skills to 5 and all the t1 sub cap hulls and weapons to 5 already or you're doing it wrong ;) Oh and Etana . . . or fit a cloak to a scimi / guardian. Yes I know it nerfs the scan res, but if you don't like that, get an Etana. Complaining about what isn't won't help, work with what you've got bro. That's half the fun of EVE
All of this.. and yet because of it's crap tank, it will die to a single SB...... Unlike "ANY" other T-1 BS fit with he same price tag. You forget this ship is worth more then a Dreadnought. ISK wise because of the High LP cost. (1 million LP).
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Malcorian Vandsteidt
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
123
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Posted - 2014.02.09 12:08:00 -
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This ship is obviously an ISK / LP sink scam, nothing more. |
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
2634
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Posted - 2014.02.09 17:40:00 -
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Malcorian Vandsteidt wrote:Jason Atavuli wrote:Quinn Corvez wrote:Sylari Azure wrote:Quinn Corvez wrote:Oh boy! An exploration ship that is slow and unable to travel through low/null sec in relative safety... Just what I've always wanted! You guys are dumb for not giving the Nestor a covert cloak or a jump drive. Fact! I won't use the term 'fact' but I will say that it's highly likely that you are a moron who rationalizes before using logic. Case? This post. Please repost with some form of statement in which you are not a raving lunatic, thank you. Or maybe the moron is the one who fail to see the irony of someone stating that there personal opinion is a fact... That said, I think the majority of player would agree that a exploration ship without a cloak wasn't what we needed. A cloaky logistics ship on the other hand, is something that would be useful to many players. Or maybe the Astero and Stratios are the relatively safe null exploration ships... And maybe the Nestor is the nullbear ratting ship which can field 5 sentries, poke at rats with a laser to assign aggro, and rep armor on a few alts in dommies, and maybe that 1 other Alt in an Eos (who's boosting rep rate and repper cap usage). All while being able to warp out faster than a Thanatos if a dropper enters system, and do a ghost site without caring if the site goes boom. Perhaps the probe bonus is there because it's an SOE ship, kinda like gallente ships that mostly have some kind of armor and drone bonus, and yet they don't all have the +7.5% to drone tracking the Dommie has. All that aside, who the hell goes ninja exploring in a battleship anyway? BLOPS bro, if you really feel safer in a cloaky lump it's not that much skilling, and besides you really should have all the core skills to 5 and all the t1 sub cap hulls and weapons to 5 already or you're doing it wrong ;) Oh and Etana . . . or fit a cloak to a scimi / guardian. Yes I know it nerfs the scan res, but if you don't like that, get an Etana. Complaining about what isn't won't help, work with what you've got bro. That's half the fun of EVE All of this.. and yet because of it's crap tank, it will die to a single SB...... Unlike "ANY" other T-1 BS fit with he same price tag. You forget this ship is worth more then a Dreadnought. ISK wise because of the High LP cost. (1 million LP). Take that into account do you really think anyone is going to take this out of highsec? Or even undock in such a shiny suicideable target? Wait... Don't change a thing.. nvm.... Shiny easy kills incoming.
How much are you buying Dreads for, and where can I get one?
The ships sell for less than 2 billion. the last dead I bought was over 2.5
Steve Ronuken for CSM 9! http://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/ Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter |
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Cerulean Ice
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
49
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Posted - 2014.02.10 09:21:00 -
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I see your art has a shuttle hiding on it... any chance of a SOE shuttle showing up in the near future? I'd love to add one to my collection. |
Saelyth
Nex quod Principatus
7
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Posted - 2014.02.11 20:21:00 -
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I think the main thing people who are raging so hard about are forgetting is that this is a LOGISTICS ship capable of over 100k EHP, about 600 DPS (with drones at a range of 100+, no lasers), that has the capacity to remote rep the equiv of 6 large reps. Comparatively that's over a 1.5x of a Capital repper, more if you use T2 reps. It's a "mini carrier," in a sense, and should be supported like one.
As a solo ship, the Nestor is absolutely terrible, no questions asked. The key thing is that in numbers, this ship becomes absolutely devastating. I've been playing with fits for weeks, constantly tweaking and tinkering for whatever I can feel is acceptable for its role and purpose. Sure, if I wanted raw DPS and damage application, I'd use a Dominix (also maintaining to Armor doctrines); I won't argue with you there.
In any case, the design I'm looking most intensely at right now goes something like this: 4x M4 or T2 Large Remote Armor Reps 2x T2 Drone Links for control range 1x Auto Targeter (for +3 targets) or Large Energy transfer
Some mix of the following: Omni Directionals ECCMs Large Cap Batteries for some neut reflection Cap rechargers
Also some mix of: 1600 plates ENAMs Drone Damage Cap Relays DC
Basically I'm looking at upwards of 100 sensor strength, about 1.5-2x cap armor rep equiv, all while bringing around 600 DPS that can be easily assigned to any other fleet member. A small gang with say, three of these would be very difficult to overcome. Of course we wouldn't just use three and no support, these things are going to be primaries just as readily as a carrier would be. Bring a geddon or two for neut and yet more drones assignable to your FC or anyone unjammed. Bring an Eos if you want to add a few more sentries to the fray and some armor/info links as well. There are lots of options available. You can't only look at the Nestor's raw numbers for a single trait and use that as a comparison to specialized ships.
Personally, I happen to like the prospect of our Logistics pilots being able to apply damage. In my opinion, while we can certainly run sites with T2 Logis and some domis and complete them with minimal isk on the field, I'm of the preference of faster completion and fielding ships capable of fighting back should the INEVITABLE occur. Let's face it, this is EVE; ships blow up. I'd rather go down slugging it out in ships that are ready for a fight than sitting on my ass just waiting for someone to finally primary me. We're all here itching for the "good fight," the memorable one, the one you talk about with your corp mates every now and then who were on your wing when it happened. I don't want to be in the carrier that got bhaalgorned into oblivion that sat there in triage with no cap to do anything. I don't want to be in the little logistics cruiser that got nuked out of existence the moment a dozen or two ships jumped to grid, looking at my new pod in Empire space knowing all my friends are about to join me and there's nothing I can do.
TL:DR The nestor is a fleet ship. Using is by itself is stupid. Using just two of them is probably also borderline stupid. In any case, I'll reiterate that it's a LOGISTICS ship that can bring substantial DPS and range to the grid. Further, being a battleship hull, it'll even allow you to get creative in your emergency refitting in ways of micro jumps, spectrum breakers, use of micro jump deployable, and so forth, all options unavailable to carriers. |
Rek Seven
Probe Patrol Awakened.
1365
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Posted - 2014.02.12 10:06:00 -
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Saelyth wrote: TL:DR The nestor is a fleet ship. Using is by itself is stupid. Using just two of them is probably also borderline stupid. In any case, I'll reiterate that it's a LOGISTICS ship that can bring substantial DPS and range to the grid. Further, being a battleship hull, it'll even allow you to get creative in your emergency refitting in ways of micro jumps, spectrum breakers, use of micro jump deployable, and so forth, all options unavailable to carriers.
I don't disagree with you. The Nestors main role is being a logistics battleship with the added advantage of being able to deal good dps but currently it costs too much and has too many disadvantages.
Being a battleship means it has a long lock time and as armor reps land at the end of a cycle, i takes too long to start applying reps to smaller targets to be an effective logistics ships.
If Target spectrum breaker were not so broken, if would have turned this ship into something special but as long as the breaker disrupts the lock of friendly's on top of reducing your scan res, it's useless.
As you allude to, the best tactic to employ would be to field these in a spider tanking blob but when a competent hostile fleet catches you, you're going to lose billion for no reason other than you wanting to fly a new shiny.
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