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IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
652
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Posted - 2014.01.27 23:22:00 -
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The news of a new ship in Eve usually gathers excitement but no one seems to care about the Nestor coming out tomorrow. I found a few forum topics but none went far.
I looked at the bonuses and it seems rather weak compared to other Pirate Faction battleships
Gallente Battleship Skill Bonus: 10% bonus to drone hitpoints and damage per skill level Amarr Battleship Bonus: 4% Armor resistances per level
It sounds like they took the Rattlesnakes bonuses and transferred them to an armor tanked ship.
Role Bonuses
50% bonus to remote armor repairer amount 100% bonus to remote armor repairer range Maybe spider tanking?
50% bonus to large energy turret optimal range Okay a range bonus but no damage bonus... Okay it's a secondary weapon so that's fine
50% increased strength for scan probes +10 virus strength for relic and data analyzers Is it PVE ship for scanning sites or does this have a practical PVP use?
Slot layout: 7H, 6M, 6L; 5 turrets That doesn't get me excited at all but maybe I'm missing something
I'm just trying to get some thoughts on this ship as to why there's not much interest in the forums. Is it junk or has too limited of a role and if so what would this be?
http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/soe-reinforcements-and-ui-fine-tuning/ |
Vladimir Norkoff
Income Redistribution Service
313
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Posted - 2014.01.28 00:00:00 -
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umm.... There is a 100-page threadnaught in the Features & Ideas sub-forum. The ship was talked to death. General consensus seemed to be that it sucked ass and had no redeeming qualities to justify it's cost. Best use proposed seemed to be as a Flagship for Alliance Tourney. Pretty much the tl;dr for you. |
Hiton Kado
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2014.01.28 07:19:00 -
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From what I've read many people use spider tanking Dominix's, especially in wormholes but also in other parts of EVE. Would the Nestor not just fill exactly that role but do it even better? |
Bibosikus
Flowery Twats
188
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Posted - 2014.01.28 11:01:00 -
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Hiton Kado wrote:From what I've read many people use spider tanking Dominix's, especially in wormholes but also in other parts of EVE. Would the Nestor not just fill exactly that role but do it even better?
No. Just.. En-Oh.
The box said "Requires Windows-á2000 or better", so I installed Linux. |
Hiton Kado
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2014.01.28 11:05:00 -
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Bibosikus wrote:Hiton Kado wrote:From what I've read many people use spider tanking Dominix's, especially in wormholes but also in other parts of EVE. Would the Nestor not just fill exactly that role but do it even better? No. Just.. En-Oh. Why? Honest question, I'm just curious and clueless. |
Mike Adoulin
Adolescent Radioactive Pirate Hamsters
537
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Posted - 2014.01.28 12:47:00 -
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Hiton Kado wrote:Why? Honest question, I'm just curious and clueless.
Nestor is probably going to cost at least, by my PIOTA guess, at least 1.5 billion ISK on the market, once the market stabilizes.
AT. LEAST.
Now go figure out how many t2 sentry Domi's you can buy for that amount and you will see why.
Everything in EVE is a trap. And if it isn't, it's your job to make it a trap...:)
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Tauranon
Weeesearch Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere
663
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Posted - 2014.01.28 13:02:00 -
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Hiton Kado wrote:Bibosikus wrote:Hiton Kado wrote:From what I've read many people use spider tanking Dominix's, especially in wormholes but also in other parts of EVE. Would the Nestor not just fill exactly that role but do it even better? No. Just.. En-Oh. Why? Honest question, I'm just curious and clueless.
So you fly your scan boat through a system, you see (a) 2 domis running an L5, or (b) 2 nestors running an L5. Which thing causes you drop probes ?
So you are sitting in an L5 hub, and you want to undock to go blitz some missions despite there being neutrals you don't know, because otherwise in a lowsec mission hub, you couldn't get a lot done. What mission ships do you undock ?
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Bertrand Butler
Cras es Noster
155
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Posted - 2014.01.28 14:09:00 -
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If used properly, Nestor will be a hell of a bait ship...C: |
Batelle
Komm susser Tod
1415
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Posted - 2014.01.28 17:02:00 -
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its a very tanky very expensive sentry domi thats good at RR but is much worse offensively. Generally RR domis are used because they're cheap, extremely effective, and have high dps. The projection issue is even bigger given the omnidirectional nerf.
Not much of a niche for it, unless you already mission with RR domis and find they don't have enough tank and do too much damage. "CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"
Never forget. |
Lloyd Roses
Blue-Fire
490
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Posted - 2014.01.28 20:28:00 -
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In theory, it's amazing for wormholes and some snake'd lowsec-stuff, it's just way to expensive.
IF prices drop to some 1.3-1.4b, could imagine it being used for some really ballsy maneuvers, since you can actually make them pretty fast, scorch-using, spider/resist-bonused nanobattleships. Somehow. Never stop believing. "I honestly thought I was in lowsec"
Moving pictures: The Enyo |
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Batelle
Komm susser Tod
1422
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Posted - 2014.01.28 20:39:00 -
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Lloyd Roses wrote:In theory, it's amazing for wormholes and some snake'd lowsec-stuff, it's just way to expensive.
IF prices drop to some 1.3-1.4b, could imagine it being used for some really ballsy maneuvers, since you can actually make them pretty fast, scorch-using, spider/resist-bonused nanobattleships. Somehow. Never stop believing.
A 1.4bn Nestor is equivalent to SOE LP dropping from 2.7k/lp to 1.8k/lp, and the stratios falling to to 250m isk per hull. "CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"
Never forget. |
Silvetica Dian
Manson Family Advent of Fate
667
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Posted - 2014.01.28 21:20:00 -
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Hiton Kado wrote:From what I've read many people use spider tanking Dominix's, especially in wormholes but also in other parts of EVE. Would the Nestor not just fill exactly that role but do it even better?
if you need spidertank and good resists then the nestor is indeed far better than the domi. The domi applys dps much better (and for far less isk). They might be used in WH's They might be used in incursions. They might be used as bait for pvp. They might be used as a RR spidertank in PVP.
Due to their cost they won't be widely used but it is because of the cost rather than that they are useless. If they cost the same as a domi then null fleets would be all over these ships. Money at its root is a form of rationing. When the richest 85 people have as much wealth as the poorest 3.5 billion (50% of humanity) it is clear where the source of poverty is. http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jan/20/trickle-down-economics-broken-promise-richest-85 |
Silvetica Dian
Manson Family Advent of Fate
667
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Posted - 2014.01.28 21:32:00 -
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Batelle wrote:Lloyd Roses wrote:In theory, it's amazing for wormholes and some snake'd lowsec-stuff, it's just way to expensive.
IF prices drop to some 1.3-1.4b, could imagine it being used for some really ballsy maneuvers, since you can actually make them pretty fast, scorch-using, spider/resist-bonused nanobattleships. Somehow. Never stop believing. A 1.4bn Nestor is equivalent to SOE LP dropping from 2.7k/lp to 1.8k/lp, and the stratios falling to to 250m isk per hull.
and yet they are 1.67 bill already Money at its root is a form of rationing. When the richest 85 people have as much wealth as the poorest 3.5 billion (50% of humanity) it is clear where the source of poverty is. http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jan/20/trickle-down-economics-broken-promise-richest-85 |
Marc Callan
Interstellar Steel Templis CALSF
407
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Posted - 2014.01.28 21:43:00 -
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Batelle wrote:Lloyd Roses wrote:In theory, it's amazing for wormholes and some snake'd lowsec-stuff, it's just way to expensive.
IF prices drop to some 1.3-1.4b, could imagine it being used for some really ballsy maneuvers, since you can actually make them pretty fast, scorch-using, spider/resist-bonused nanobattleships. Somehow. Never stop believing. A 1.4bn Nestor is equivalent to SOE LP dropping from 2.7k/lp to 1.8k/lp, and the stratios falling to to 250m isk per hull.
In other words, while there's still demand for the Astero and the Stratios, nobody's going to be fbeeping building Nestors. "Nevertheless a prince ought to inspire fear in such a way that, if he does not win love, he avoids hatred..." - Niccolo Machiavelli-á |
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
986
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Posted - 2014.01.28 21:51:00 -
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Marc Callan wrote:Batelle wrote:Lloyd Roses wrote:In theory, it's amazing for wormholes and some snake'd lowsec-stuff, it's just way to expensive.
IF prices drop to some 1.3-1.4b, could imagine it being used for some really ballsy maneuvers, since you can actually make them pretty fast, scorch-using, spider/resist-bonused nanobattleships. Somehow. Never stop believing. A 1.4bn Nestor is equivalent to SOE LP dropping from 2.7k/lp to 1.8k/lp, and the stratios falling to to 250m isk per hull. In other words, while there's still demand for the Astero and the Stratios, nobody's going to be fbeeping building Nestors. SOMEONE is doing it if EvE central is to be believed, and doing it for under the LP value of the Stratios already.
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The Djego
Hellequin Inc. Mean Coalition
231
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Posted - 2014.01.28 22:02:00 -
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Silvetica Dian wrote:Hiton Kado wrote:From what I've read many people use spider tanking Dominix's, especially in wormholes but also in other parts of EVE. Would the Nestor not just fill exactly that role but do it even better? if you need spidertank and good resists then the nestor is indeed far better than the domi. The domi applys dps much better (and for far less isk). They might be used in WH's They might be used in incursions. They might be used as bait for pvp. They might be used as a RR spidertank in PVP. Due to their cost they won't be widely used but it is because of the cost rather than that they are useless. If they cost the same as a domi then null fleets would be all over these ships.
No, it is not the cost, a domi is cheap and rather effective however a marauder will outdo it for pve RR stuff and it was used for that(I however not used them since the bastion nerf).
For WH, marauders are better by offering more cap, dps, better projection and tanking is not so much of a deal. Same goes for Incs, a marauder is the better RR BS since it also adds a lot of damage and got enough target slots to shoot and remote rep at the same time. As single logi replacement it would be sub par, since it doesn't got a tracking link bonus(what immensely helps) and is far harder to keep alive than a logi by a single dps hull. Also 90% of Inc pilots fly shield and since IIC went inactive by the lack of players, there is no bling armor channel active as far as I know. For PVP a logi is far cheaper and more survivable by the combination of range, speed and low sig, plus if you need something static for max rep a triage carrier does the same for less much better. Improve discharge rigging: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=246166&find=unread
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Celia Therone
University of Caille Gallente Federation
65
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Posted - 2014.01.28 23:26:00 -
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Tyberius Franklin wrote:Marc Callan wrote:Batelle wrote:Lloyd Roses wrote:In theory, it's amazing for wormholes and some snake'd lowsec-stuff, it's just way to expensive.
IF prices drop to some 1.3-1.4b, could imagine it being used for some really ballsy maneuvers, since you can actually make them pretty fast, scorch-using, spider/resist-bonused nanobattleships. Somehow. Never stop believing. A 1.4bn Nestor is equivalent to SOE LP dropping from 2.7k/lp to 1.8k/lp, and the stratios falling to to 250m isk per hull. In other words, while there's still demand for the Astero and the Stratios, nobody's going to be fbeeping building Nestors. SOMEONE is doing it if EvE central is to be believed, and doing it for under the LP value of the Stratios already. I believe a lot of people expected Nestors to start selling for around $3 bill+, dropping to $2 bill after a few days. So they cashed out their LP and built them speculatively before the current price dynamic was known. Now they're stuck with Nestors that they either mothball or sell to whatever people will pay.
Currently there's only 11 Nestor buy orders in Jita between 1 and 1.5 bill, after that it drops to 600 mill. And there's 36 sell orders...
My guess is that the Nestor price will drop further as people unload what they have committed to building then slowly start to climb back again as 'smart' people stop buying it with their LP. On the other hand it's possible that idiots who don't do LP conversion math and get Nestorss anyway will outnumber idiots who don't run the numbers and realize how mediocre the Nestor is so the price might not recover... |
Bane Nucleus
Sky Fighters
801
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Posted - 2014.01.29 00:31:00 -
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As a pure wormholer, I can speculate that not many wormholers will be using them. I do hope, however, that I am wrong and the killmails will start rolling in. bwahahahahaha No trolling please |
Jack Miton
Semper Ubi Sub Ubi Unmentionables
2954
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Posted - 2014.01.29 01:03:00 -
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Ship's bad, topic's been done to death, move on. Stuck In Here With Me:-á http://sihwm.blogspot.com.au/ |
IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
655
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Posted - 2014.01.29 02:36:00 -
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Jack Miton wrote:Ship's bad, topic's been done to death, move on.
Why move on? It's disappointing due to how good the SOE cruiser is. Maybe more discussion could come up with ideas on how to make the ship "Not bad" |
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Lloyd Roses
Blue-Fire
490
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Posted - 2014.01.29 02:46:00 -
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With strat-links, a nano, quafe and zors hypervelocity, the nestor is making around 1.8km/s mwd'ing. If you factor in two of those with Berserkers out, webbing at 18km - that does seem to have potential. WIll see. "I honestly thought I was in lowsec"
Moving pictures: The Enyo |
The Djego
Hellequin Inc. Mean Coalition
231
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Posted - 2014.01.29 03:50:00 -
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IIshira wrote:Jack Miton wrote:Ship's bad, topic's been done to death, move on. Why move on? It's disappointing due to how good the SOE cruiser is. Maybe more discussion could come up with ideas on how to make the ship "Not bad"
That was also done to death in the Nestor topic in F&I.
The main problem with the nestor isn't that is underwhelming and to expensive. It is that there seams to be no real concept behind the ship, or at least I can't see it.
A pirate faction RR BS? Sure why not, could be handy for Incs, WH or some Low Sec stuff. But then again you have to think about what you put on the hull to make it attractive in that niche. Like a 100% weapon bonus to actually use the gun bonus plus having 3-4 utility high slots for RR, like a powerful capacitor to run RR and guns more or less on cap recharge instead of cap boosters, high scan res to lock targets quick, low sig to improve survivability under RR and 10 or more target slots to have enough to lock RR targets and stuff to shoot at the same time.
A pirate faction exploration BS? Sure why not, give it a bit more dps, remove the RR stuff and make it warp faster, give it bonuses to normal cloaks to reduce the penalty's and add speed to burn back to the gate or gtfo in pvp situation. Also a higher travel speed than 2 AU/s wouldn't hurt.
This are just 2 things that I could think of where to go with the hull. It simply lacks the basic design philosophy of deciding what to do with the hull and then deciding what stats/bonuses to put on the hull that it would be attractive for that.
Lloyd Roses wrote:With strat-links, a nano, quafe and zors hypervelocity, the nestor is making around 1.8km/s mwd'ing. If you factor in two of those with Berserkers out, webbing at 18km - that does seem to have potential. WIll see.
A mach costs halve as much, is faster, does more dps and got the way smaller sig. Also the reason why any nano buffer setup uses shields is because it doesn't slow you down, 15km RR range are not that much during kitting and the problem with heavy drones on a nano BS is that you will lose them all the time when you need to gtfo because they are slow.
Improve discharge rigging: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=246166&find=unread
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Jack Miton
Semper Ubi Sub Ubi Unmentionables
2954
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Posted - 2014.01.29 03:53:00 -
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IIshira wrote:Jack Miton wrote:Ship's bad, topic's been done to death, move on. Why move on? It's disappointing due to how good the SOE cruiser is. Maybe more discussion could come up with ideas on how to make the ship "Not bad" I have no issue with there existing 'fun' blingy ships that arent really very good but carebears will buy anyway cos theyre 'cool'.
the issue with the nestor is that it's being sold as an exploration battleship which is a class that doesnt exist. the crux of the issue is that the ship can't be good without a covops cloak but it can't be allowed to have one because it would be OP as all get up. Stuck In Here With Me:-á http://sihwm.blogspot.com.au/ |
Mario Putzo
Welping and Dunking.
157
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Posted - 2014.01.29 04:39:00 -
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Jack Miton wrote:IIshira wrote:Jack Miton wrote:Ship's bad, topic's been done to death, move on. Why move on? It's disappointing due to how good the SOE cruiser is. Maybe more discussion could come up with ideas on how to make the ship "Not bad" I have no issue with there existing 'fun' blingy ships that arent really very good but carebears will buy anyway cos theyre 'cool'. the issue with the nestor is that it's being sold as an exploration battleship which is a class that doesnt exist. the crux of the issue is that the ship can't be good without a covops cloak but it can't be allowed to have one because it would be OP as all get up.
What would really make it any more OP than an Arazu dropping a proper cyno and bringing in super carriers?
Differen't game for a different generation. Personally I think a Black Ops BS fleet capable going into a fleet fight and not just a gank would be cool as **** to see. The only thing it is missing is reliable logistic support. I think the Nestor should have been a Logistics BS from day one for WH and BLOPS Support. This would be how I did it.
Amarr Bonus Armor Resist +4%
Gallente Bonus Armor Maitenance Bot +20%
Role Bonus 100% To Remote Armor Rep and Cap Transfer Range 50% Bonus to Remote Armor Rep and Cap Transrer Amount Remote Sensor booster Bonus+50% Can Fit Covops Cloak.+Cov Ops Cyno +10 Virus Strength
Reduce Drone Bay to 250m3 Add Fuel Bay.
* Can not black ops bridge, but can jump to black ops cynos.
-1 Mid + 1 high.
I would buy that |
Webvan
State Protectorate Caldari State
336
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Posted - 2014.01.29 10:46:00 -
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It's a magic ice cream truck CCP made for keeping pirates and gankerbears happy on hot days. |
Bibosikus
Flowery Twats
189
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Posted - 2014.01.29 22:46:00 -
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At this time of writing, about 100 Nestors have been sold in Jita at an average of 1.7b
The buyers are collectors, epeeners and "who-gives-a-f*ckers"
Nobody in their right mind is buying this ship to fly it proactively and soberly.
The box said "Requires Windows-á2000 or better", so I installed Linux. |
Artenso Vestindal
Dark Flames of Amarr
2
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Posted - 2014.01.30 14:06:00 -
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Bibosikus wrote:At this time of writing, about 100 Nestors have been sold in Jita at an average of 1.7b
The buyers are collectors, epeeners and "who-gives-a-f*ckers"
Nobody in their right mind is buying this ship to fly it proactively and soberly.
at current cost of Nestor BPC and other thinks in LP store, it is extremely inefficient to sell nestor under 2B... Should it match ISK/LP ratio of Stratios after release, Nestor would have to be sold at least for 2,5-3B... FAIL
Anyway... nestor is ship 1. with no clear role exept of being drone platform (worse than domi coz of tracking and range bonus on it). 2.At the same time, they nerfed omnitracking for drones (currently with 5 omnies you would have worse bonus than with 2 before it)
what can you do with overpriced droneboat released in time droneboats are nerfed so hard? Hangar spinning... Or hope its price will be decent in first week (well... it isnt)
sincerely disappointed trader (currently with another collector only ship) |
Silivar Karkun
We are not bad. Just unlucky Goonswarm Federation
140
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Posted - 2014.01.30 14:50:00 -
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1. change the laser optimal bonus for a damage bonus, 50% is okay but reduce its turret hardpoints to 4
2. increase capacitor
3. change the logistic bonuses fron only armor to being armor, shield and cap transfer
4. add covert cloak bonuses like those of the stratios and the astero (if the thing will be so expensive at least allow it to travel cloaked so you dont risk those 2 billions)
i dont know....the ship is drone+laser but the laser bonuses need to be improved to be actually used, the logistic bonuses only focus in armor, this kills the interest for those that use shield ships, as many people say, you cannot do exploration in dangerous space without a covert cloak, this needs to be added.......
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Mario Putzo
Welping and Dunking.
170
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Posted - 2014.01.30 16:49:00 -
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Silivar Karkun wrote:1. change the laser optimal bonus for a damage bonus, 50% is okay but reduce its turret hardpoints to 4
2. increase capacitor
3. change the logistic bonuses fron only armor to being armor, shield and cap transfer
4. add covert cloak bonuses like those of the stratios and the astero (if the thing will be so expensive at least allow it to travel cloaked so you dont risk those 2 billions)
i dont know....the ship is drone+laser but the laser bonuses need to be improved to be actually used, the logistic bonuses only focus in armor, this kills the interest for those that use shield ships, as many people say, you cannot do exploration in dangerous space without a covert cloak, this needs to be added.......
These changes don't improve on the problem that the Nestor faces...
Its bonuses are all over the map, and it has no dedicated role or use.
If I want laser DPS, ill get some folks into Navy Geddons at less cost. If I want Drone DPS ill get some folks into Domis at less cost (hell you can pimp fit them and still come out cheaper) If I want repairs ill bring a dedicated Logistic Cruiser. If I want to do Relic/Data sites ill use a Cov Ops or one of the 2 other SOE ships If I am doing Complexes/WH sites ill bring a T3.
CCP had a chance to improve Black Ops Battleship fleets beyond just ganking targets, and the opportunity to provide a ship capable of supporting long term exploration in WH's. (with Ship Maint. Bay.) They axed the ability to Cov Ops and joing Blops gangs, and they killed the maint. bay.
If I go to a WH I still need a POS or a Mobile Depot. If I blops I still have no logi (aside from gimmick T3's) and resort to ganking Carriers in belts.
It needs to be reconfigured to preform a dedicated role without stepping on the toes of current role players.
In this situation the only one that jumps out at me is as a Logistics Battleship capable of jumping to Black Ops Cyno and Fitting Covert Ops Cloak. You can also look at the current ships in game and notice that there is no ship that fills this role aside from gimmick T3's, and if you need reps in a wormhole bring a cruiser.
I would say the problem with the bonuses is...it has to many across to many areas. |
Batelle
Komm susser Tod
1465
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Posted - 2014.01.30 17:40:00 -
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if the ship was underwhelming before the omni nerf... now... bleh. "CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"
Never forget. |
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SFM Hobb3s
Vanguard Frontiers Black Legion.
55
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Posted - 2014.01.30 19:13:00 -
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The great thing is, the phantasm no longer has to be alone. |
unreasonable reason
University of Caille Gallente Federation
10
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Posted - 2014.01.30 19:56:00 -
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before even thinking of buying one I put it through eft, result is with 1 large t2 armor rep, no mwd, ab or mjd, empty 2 utility highs that's intended for rr, all the rest of fittings takes 1 pg per module, maxed skills, it's nearly 500 pg short of able to fit 5 mega pules laser II. with 2 large remote armor reps, mwd, 1 large armor rep and 5x tachyon IIs, it is over 7k pg short. the only large lasers it can comfortably fit 5 of is dual heavy beams, and dual heavy pulse.
beside the massive pg shortage for a pirate faction ship, the cap is less than a domi, with rr, mwd (important to take advantage of low mass and no sentry range bonus) and using lasers, it's very very poor on cap unless you use alot of cap boosters instead of cap rechargers. i guess the bigger cargo bay is for carrying around cap booster charges, not really in line with the "long deployment self efficient exploration ship" brand they got in the description. |
Mario Putzo
Welping and Dunking.
171
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Posted - 2014.01.30 21:55:00 -
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Just spent like an hour trying out various ways to fit this ship...
Needs more Capacitor if it is going to be an RR ship even in a chain with another Nestor you would still need 2 boosters in the mids. So even changing its bonuses to promote RR use is kind of futile.
Back to the drawing board. |
Rekkr Nordgard
The Ardency of Faith
366
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Posted - 2014.01.30 23:28:00 -
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IIshira wrote:Jack Miton wrote:Ship's bad, topic's been done to death, move on. Why move on? It's disappointing due to how good the SOE cruiser is. Maybe more discussion could come up with ideas on how to make the ship "Not bad"
This was done extensively in the F&I and CCP Rise simply ignored all the feedback, much like CCP SoniClover did with the ESS and CCP Fozzie did with omni tracking. Seems like a pattern is developing here... |
Jack Miton
Semper Ubi Sub Ubi Unmentionables
2968
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Posted - 2014.01.31 00:06:00 -
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Rekkr Nordgard wrote:This was done extensively in the F&I and CCP Rise simply ignored all the feedback, much like CCP SoniClover did with the ESS and CCP Fozzie did with omni tracking. Seems like a pattern is developing here... hardly developing. has been fully developed for so long it's nearing retirement age. Stuck In Here With Me:-á http://sihwm.blogspot.com.au/ |
Boudacca Sangrere
Anomalous Existence Surely You're Joking
52
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Posted - 2014.01.31 11:07:00 -
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EvE is about choices. About having your cake OR eating it. In my opinion the crux with the Nestor is that it is neither good at getting the cake, nor at eating it (I hope you excuse my food based analogy, but I am hungry).
Fear not, there are solutions. I do think a Cov Ops cloak would be quite nice actually and very, very useful. Alas, it would seem to be a bit overpowered. So how about "greying" out all high slots (and locking the drone bay) while having one fitted? Especially, with some of the nice new modules (mobile depot, D-scan inhibitor, etc.) it would give pilots an incentive to use these (and use up cargo), which leads to making choices...
An additional low (at the cost of an mid slot) would be also very helpful (the Nestor IS an Armor ship after all), in order to give the Nestor a place and proper role.
Just fly,
B. |
Mario Putzo
Welping and Dunking.
172
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Posted - 2014.01.31 18:15:00 -
[37] - Quote
Boudacca Sangrere wrote:EvE is about choices. About having your cake OR eating it. In my opinion the crux with the Nestor is that it is neither good at getting the cake, nor at eating it (I hope you excuse my food based analogy, but I am hungry).
Fear not, there are solutions. I do think a Cov Ops cloak would be quite nice actually and very, very useful. Alas, it would seem to be a bit overpowered. So how about "greying" out all high slots (and locking the drone bay) while having one fitted? Especially, with some of the nice new modules (mobile depot, D-scan inhibitor, etc.) it would give pilots an incentive to use these (and use up cargo), which leads to making choices...
An additional low (at the cost of an mid slot) would be also very helpful (the Nestor IS an Armor ship after all), in order to give the Nestor a place and proper role.
Just fly,
B.
That doesn't even make any sense.
if I wanted a cloaky cargo bay id just befirend a Covops Hauler. |
Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
1577
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Posted - 2014.01.31 22:24:00 -
[38] - Quote
The Djego wrote:IIshira wrote:Jack Miton wrote:Ship's bad, topic's been done to death, move on. Why move on? It's disappointing due to how good the SOE cruiser is. Maybe more discussion could come up with ideas on how to make the ship "Not bad" That was also done to death in the Nestor topic in F&I. The main problem with the nestor isn't that is underwhelming and to expensive. It is that there seams to be no real concept behind the ship, or at least I can't see it. A pirate faction RR BS? Sure why not, could be handy for Incs, WH or some Low Sec stuff. But then again you have to think about what you put on the hull to make it attractive in that niche. Like a 100% weapon bonus to actually use the gun bonus plus having 3-4 utility high slots for RR, like a powerful capacitor to run RR and guns more or less on cap recharge instead of cap boosters, high scan res to lock targets quick, low sig to improve survivability under RR and 10 or more target slots to have enough to lock RR targets and stuff to shoot at the same time. A pirate faction exploration BS? Sure why not, give it a bit more dps, remove the RR stuff and make it warp faster, give it bonuses to normal cloaks to reduce the penalty's and add speed to burn back to the gate or gtfo in pvp situation. Also a higher travel speed than 2 AU/s wouldn't hurt. This are just 2 things that I could think of where to go with the hull. It simply lacks the basic design philosophy of deciding what to do with the hull and then deciding what stats/bonuses to put on the hull that it would be attractive for that. Lloyd Roses wrote:With strat-links, a nano, quafe and zors hypervelocity, the nestor is making around 1.8km/s mwd'ing. If you factor in two of those with Berserkers out, webbing at 18km - that does seem to have potential. WIll see. A mach costs halve as much, is faster, does more dps and got the way smaller sig. Also the reason why any nano buffer setup uses shields is because it doesn't slow you down, 15km RR range are not that much during kitting and the problem with heavy drones on a nano BS is that you will lose them all the time when you need to gtfo because they are slow. The bonus to probing and hacking is hilarious.
Nestor warps to sig. If Nestor is not scrambled by intie while aligning, Intie will be waiting for it at sig when it arrives.
Nestor is at hacking site, intie jumps in warps to site, scrambles Nestor before its even halfway to warp..
Its just not practical to have a billion + isk battleship doing hacking when you have interceptors that can literally lock, warp and run circles around battleships with impunity. |
Mario Putzo
Welping and Dunking.
186
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Posted - 2014.02.01 00:16:00 -
[39] - Quote
Well to be fair it can use small drones so I don't know about "impunity" but yes this is a silly redundant feature. Its like CCP just ate a bunch of ideas and threw some up on the floor. Then took out all the decent ones and left a pile of pukey crap sitting there. |
Phaade
The Lonetrek Militia Rapidus Incitus Pactum
139
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Posted - 2014.02.01 00:34:00 -
[40] - Quote
This ship is horrendously bad.....
It doesn't do anything it claims in the description well....
Who made the decision on this worthless 1.5b ship? |
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Phaade
The Lonetrek Militia Rapidus Incitus Pactum
139
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Posted - 2014.02.01 00:38:00 -
[41] - Quote
In fact, it's actually comical that some developer in CCP thought this through for weeks, and STILL released it! |
The Djego
Hellequin Inc. Mean Coalition
235
|
Posted - 2014.02.01 02:52:00 -
[42] - Quote
Infinity Ziona wrote: The bonus to probing and hacking is hilarious.
Nestor warps to sig. If Nestor is not scrambled by intie while aligning, Intie will be waiting for it at sig when it arrives.
Nestor is at hacking site, intie jumps in warps to site, scrambles Nestor before its even halfway to warp..
Its just not practical to have a billion + isk battleship doing hacking when you have interceptors that can literally lock, warp and run circles around battleships with impunity.
Well my major problem is mostly that the bonus combination together with the slot layout, cap, sig and other stuff doesn't really make it useful for a particular task. I would agree that a relative slow moving BS is not the ideal platform in hostile territory to do plexing, however every BS can be tackled by a interceptor without much chances to counter it, so it isn't really a exclusive problem of the nestor. Improve discharge rigging: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=246166&find=unread
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IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
665
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Posted - 2014.02.01 02:59:00 -
[43] - Quote
Okay so from what most posters are saying it's an expensive collectible. With the multiple sentry drone nerfs of Rubicon 1.1 maybe a drone boat wasn't such a great idea for a new battleship.
I was hoping it had a use other than ship spinning and I was just missing it |
Mario Putzo
Welping and Dunking.
189
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Posted - 2014.02.01 03:32:00 -
[44] - Quote
IIshira wrote:Okay so from what most posters are saying it's an expensive collectible. With the multiple sentry drone nerfs of Rubicon 1.1 maybe a drone boat wasn't such a great idea for a new battleship. I was hoping it had a use other than ship spinning and I was just missing it
2 of these bad boys is all you need.
[Nestor, Nestor]
2x 500W Infectious Power System Malfunction 3x E500 Prototype Energy Vampire Large S95a Remote Shield Booster Large 'Solace' Remote Armor Repairer
2x Large Shield Extender II 2x Dread Guristas Adaptive Invulnerability Field Dread Guristas EM Ward Field Dread Guristas Thermic Dissipation Field
2x 1600mm Reinforced Steel Plates II Damage Control II 3x Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Large Anti-Explosive Pump II Large Anti-Kinetic Screen Reinforcer II Large Capacitor Control Circuit II
5x Heavy Shield Maintenance Bot II 5x Heavy Armor Maintenance Bot II 5x Heavy Armor Maintenance Bot II 5x Heavy Shield Maintenance Bot II
Effective HP: 231,965 (Eve: 205,720) Tank Ability: 122.90 DPS Damage Profile - Omni-Damage (EM: 25.00%, Ex: 25.00%, Ki: 25.00%, Th: 25.00%) Shield Resists - EM: 79.14%, Ex: 81.57%, Ki: 82.30%, Th: 83.31% Armor Resists - EM: 82.32%, Ex: 73.83%, Ki: 77.02%, Th: 77.02% |
Ersahi Kir
The Empire Corporation
375
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Posted - 2014.02.01 05:37:00 -
[45] - Quote
Mario Putzo wrote:2 of these bad boys is all you need.
[Nestor, Nestor]
2x 500W Infectious Power System Malfunction 3x E500 Prototype Energy Vampire Large S95a Remote Shield Booster Large 'Solace' Remote Armor Repairer
2x Large Shield Extender II 2x Dread Guristas Adaptive Invulnerability Field Dread Guristas EM Ward Field Dread Guristas Thermic Dissipation Field
2x 1600mm Reinforced Steel Plates II Damage Control II 3x Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Large Anti-Explosive Pump II Large Anti-Kinetic Screen Reinforcer II Large Capacitor Control Circuit II
5x Heavy Shield Maintenance Bot II 5x Heavy Armor Maintenance Bot II 5x Heavy Armor Maintenance Bot II 5x Heavy Shield Maintenance Bot II
Effective HP: 231,965 (Eve: 205,720) Tank Ability: 122.90 DPS Damage Profile - Omni-Damage (EM: 25.00%, Ex: 25.00%, Ki: 25.00%, Th: 25.00%) Shield Resists - EM: 79.14%, Ex: 81.57%, Ki: 82.30%, Th: 83.31% Armor Resists - EM: 82.32%, Ex: 73.83%, Ki: 77.02%, Th: 77.02%
This is why we need downvotes. |
Bertrand Butler
Cras es Noster
159
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Posted - 2014.02.01 07:34:00 -
[46] - Quote
When the only thing you can think of for a hull is a very expensive bait setup because everyone wants to kill it with fire, then the hull in question has a lot of problems to begin with.
[Nestor, LPS N B-J]
1600mm Reinforced Steel Plates II 1600mm Reinforced Steel Plates II Corelum C-Type Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Corelum C-Type Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Reactive Armor Hardener Damage Control II
True Sansha Heavy Capacitor Booster, Navy Cap Booster 800 Federation Navy Stasis Webifier Federation Navy Stasis Webifier Republic Fleet Warp Scrambler Republic Fleet Warp Disruptor Core C-Type 100MN Microwarpdrive
Cynosural Field Generator I Heavy Unstable Power Fluctuator I Heavy Unstable Power Fluctuator I Heavy Unstable Power Fluctuator I Heavy Unstable Power Fluctuator I Dual Heavy Beam Laser II, Microwave L Drone Link Augmentor II
Large Trimark Armor Pump II Large Trimark Armor Pump II Large Trimark Armor Pump II
Garde II x5 Bouncer II x5 Hornet EC-300 x5 Vespa EC-600 x5 Warrior II x5 Warrior II x5 Warden II x5 |
Boudacca Sangrere
Anomalous Existence Surely You're Joking
52
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Posted - 2014.02.01 18:57:00 -
[47] - Quote
Mario Putzo wrote:Boudacca Sangrere wrote:EvE is about choices. About having your cake OR eating it. In my opinion the crux with the Nestor is that it is neither good at getting the cake, nor at eating it (I hope you excuse my food based analogy, but I am hungry).
Fear not, there are solutions. I do think a Cov Ops cloak would be quite nice actually and very, very useful. Alas, it would seem to be a bit overpowered. So how about "greying" out all high slots (and locking the drone bay) while having one fitted? Especially, with some of the nice new modules (mobile depot, D-scan inhibitor, etc.) it would give pilots an incentive to use these (and use up cargo), which leads to making choices...
An additional low (at the cost of an mid slot) would be also very helpful (the Nestor IS an Armor ship after all), in order to give the Nestor a place and proper role.
Just fly,
B. That doesn't even make any sense. if I wanted a cloaky cargo bay id just befirend a Covops Hauler.
I think you missunderstood. The point is, that WHILE you fit a cov ops cloak, you won't have too much combat abilities. But thanks to Mobile Depot you can swap the cloak out and have the full dps abilities... Remember, having cake OR eating it.
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Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
1592
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Posted - 2014.02.02 04:38:00 -
[48] - Quote
The Djego wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote: The bonus to probing and hacking is hilarious.
Nestor warps to sig. If Nestor is not scrambled by intie while aligning, Intie will be waiting for it at sig when it arrives.
Nestor is at hacking site, intie jumps in warps to site, scrambles Nestor before its even halfway to warp..
Its just not practical to have a billion + isk battleship doing hacking when you have interceptors that can literally lock, warp and run circles around battleships with impunity.
Well my major problem is mostly that the bonus combination together with the slot layout, cap, sig and other stuff doesn't really make it useful for a particular task. I would agree that a relative slow moving BS is not the ideal platform in hostile territory to do plexing, however every BS can be tackled by a interceptor without much chances to counter it, so it isn't really a exclusive problem of the nestor. Yeah I see what you're saying. Just that none of the other battleships have bonuses to hacking. It might be doable to use it with a improved cloak, just have to hope and pray that your not in the process of catching can spew if something comes into local since I think can spew would prevent you cloaking up quick.
And yeah the slot layout is junk.
T3 with hacking systems so much better. |
Kagura Nikon
Mentally Assured Destruction The Pursuit of Happiness
1212
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Posted - 2014.02.03 08:40:00 -
[49] - Quote
Hiton Kado wrote:From what I've read many people use spider tanking Dominix's, especially in wormholes but also in other parts of EVE. Would the Nestor not just fill exactly that role but do it even better?
at 12 times the cost does not qualify as better.. when the slot layout cancels the advantage of the resist bonus. 5 mids were enough for the cruiser.. so the Battleship shoudl have kept 5 mids and got 1 more low slot. THat woudl have made HUGE difference on ship potential. "If brute force does not solve your problem..... -áthen you are -ásurely not using enough!" |
Kagura Nikon
Mentally Assured Destruction The Pursuit of Happiness
1212
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Posted - 2014.02.03 08:41:00 -
[50] - Quote
Bertrand Butler wrote:When the only thing you can think of for a hull is a very expensive bait setup because everyone wants to kill it with fire, then the hull in question has a lot of problems to begin with.
[Nestor, LPS N B-J]
1600mm Reinforced Steel Plates II 1600mm Reinforced Steel Plates II Corelum C-Type Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Corelum C-Type Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Reactive Armor Hardener Damage Control II
True Sansha Heavy Capacitor Booster, Navy Cap Booster 800 Federation Navy Stasis Webifier Federation Navy Stasis Webifier Republic Fleet Warp Scrambler Republic Fleet Warp Disruptor Core C-Type 100MN Microwarpdrive
Cynosural Field Generator I Heavy Unstable Power Fluctuator I Heavy Unstable Power Fluctuator I Heavy Unstable Power Fluctuator I Heavy Unstable Power Fluctuator I Dual Heavy Beam Laser II, Microwave L Drone Link Augmentor II
Large Trimark Armor Pump II Large Trimark Armor Pump II Large Trimark Armor Pump II
Garde II x5 Bouncer II x5 Hornet EC-300 x5 Vespa EC-600 x5 Warrior II x5 Warrior II x5 Warden II x5
Why not use a marauder for that? A bit under half the price.... will live longer...
"If brute force does not solve your problem..... -áthen you are -ásurely not using enough!" |
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Bertrand Butler
Cras es Noster
170
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Posted - 2014.02.03 09:29:00 -
[51] - Quote
You could also use a Prophecy or even a Navy auguror if oyu wanted to spend less money. The reason for suggesting a Nestor is that everyone wants to kill a Nestor...C: |
Ersahi Kir
The Empire Corporation
378
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Posted - 2014.02.03 15:09:00 -
[52] - Quote
The ship is just so limited in any role that it would have. it lacks the powergrid to be a lazer sniper, it lacks the lows to be a brick tank, and it has all of the limitations of a battleship when it comes to exploration. I tried to play with a remote rep fit and it was comically bad compared to a guardian. The only thing the ship had going for it, being a drone boat, is less useful now that drones have been nerfed somewhat.
I was hoping there would be some tiny niche for this ship where it would be ok, but this ship is the poster child for the idea that if a ship isn't designed to do something well it's going to be terrible at everything. At least that gives it plenty of time to frolic in the asteroid belts with the other misfit spaceships like the tempest. |
Steph Livingston
Neko's Blanket
13
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Posted - 2014.02.03 16:48:00 -
[53] - Quote
I've played around with the Nestor a little bit, and I agree it has a few issues. I don't think it's a terrible ship, but the lack of focus really hurts it's effectiveness in... well everything.
If you ignore the Nestor's price for the time being, and compare it to a similar ship like the Armageddon, the weaknesses become apparent. The first, and most important, weakness many people have touched on in this thread already. The Nestor has around 80% the power-grid of the Armageddon, and gains 20% more CPU. On paper this sounds like a decent trade off, but in reality it's quite excessive. Even though the Nestor may have lost a low, and gain two additional mid slots, I'm not sure why this swing was so drastic, it makes fitting highs extremely difficult.
Personally, I'd like to see the Powergrid shifted to around: 12125-12850 mW, and the CPU to around 580-600 TF, around a 5% to 10% shift instead of the excessive 20% change we currently have.
Second, and slightly less apparent, is the Nestor's lack of speed. I know the SoE ships are supposed to be trading top speed for agility and sustainability, but without a cloak (note: I still dont think the Nestor should have the covert ops) the Nestor's top speed is a liability that detracts from several of the role bonuses. Because it gets a large energy weapon optimal range, and not tracking or damage bonus, the Nestor should be attempting to set the combat range. The problem is, it has no way to manage that, it's slower then the majority of other BS vessels which makes the window where optimal range makes a difference very small.
This can also be a problem when using remote reps. Although the Nestor is fine in a static engagement, when a fleet is on the move it will probably have issues keeping up with it's rep targets. Not a pleasant situation.
I don't think it should be the fastest BS, but it should have a respectable max speed in order to have some options. I'd like to see it in the 105-110 m/s range, but it's hard to gauge with the lower mass.
If those two issues were fixed I think the Nestor would be a respectable ship, not as feared as some, but usable. |
Z'zauoe Euopaeqorua
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2014.02.05 08:47:00 -
[54] - Quote
No cov ops cloak. It's the same **** than Black Ops.
Good for reprocessing. It melts down nicely in reprocessing facility. |
Shpenat
Galactic Exploration and Mining Corporation The Obsidian Front
64
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Posted - 2014.02.07 14:49:00 -
[55] - Quote
Z'zauoe Euopaeqorua wrote:No cov ops cloak. It's the same **** than Black Ops.
Good for reprocessing. It melts down nicely in reprocessing facility.
There is never going to be cov ops cloaky battleship. So please stop asking for one.
Nestor has quite strong focus but lacks stats to support it. It could serve as really great black ops logistics ship, but it does not belong to black ops family. It has way to weak capacitor to actually use that huge rep bonus it has. It does not offer much on the field of firepower that would justify its usage.
I personally would vote for nestor becoming pirate variant of black ops ships. The only problem with that is the general concept of T2=specialization, Navy and pirate= all around better. |
Kiryen O'Bannon
Thrall Nation Brave Collective
53
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Posted - 2014.02.07 15:13:00 -
[56] - Quote
The Nestor suffers from trying to resemble to 2 smaller SOE ships too much in stats. The exploration bonuses serve no purpose. Those should be removed and replaced for a BLOPS style cloak speeds bonus. Trading some CPU forPG would be good to. Those changes would at leastmean it had bonuses useful on a BB hull and had a niche as a cloakable RR battleship. |
Z'zauoe Euopaeqorua
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
2
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Posted - 2014.02.07 16:35:00 -
[57] - Quote
Shpenat wrote:Z'zauoe Euopaeqorua wrote:No cov ops cloak. It's the same **** than Black Ops.
Good for reprocessing. It melts down nicely in reprocessing facility. There is never going to be cov ops cloaky battleship. So please stop asking for one. Oh yeah? Do you work at CCP?
Any black ops ship with covert ops cloak would still be just very expensive and very bad battleship.
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Damien White
Sonnenlegion Shadow Cartel
83
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Posted - 2014.02.18 20:16:00 -
[58] - Quote
Z'zauoe Euopaeqorua wrote:Oh yeah? Do you work at CCP?
In the "CCP asks the players about the Nestor" Thread it was statet multiple times by CCP that there will be no Cov Ops Cloack BS.
The thread itself is an interesting read with lots of interesting ideas for the ship wich then got ignored by CCP although that beeing the reason for the thread.
Anyway, now, nearly a month after implementation, has anyone found a niche for this ship where he would pay the money for it and doesnt want to change back to a different Ship? 97% of girls would die if Justin Bieber were about to jump off a cliff. Post this in your sig if you`re part of the 3% yelling,
"DO A BARREL ROLL!" |
IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
688
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Posted - 2014.02.18 23:39:00 -
[59] - Quote
Damien White wrote:Anyway, now, nearly a month after implementation, has anyone found a niche for this ship where he would pay the money for it and doesnt want to change back to a different Ship? I would like to know this too.
At about double the price of other pirate faction battleships I would expect the Nestor to do something awesome
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Victoria Thorne
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
12
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Posted - 2014.02.18 23:54:00 -
[60] - Quote
IIshira wrote:Damien White wrote:Anyway, now, nearly a month after implementation, has anyone found a niche for this ship where he would pay the money for it and doesnt want to change back to a different Ship? I would like to know this too. At about double the price of other pirate faction battleships I would expect the Nestor to do something awesome
It has achieved awesomeness. It has managed to become a Pirate Faction battleship that (seemingly) no one thinks is OP. That has to be the greatest achievement of any ship. |
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IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
692
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Posted - 2014.02.19 14:02:00 -
[61] - Quote
Victoria Thorne wrote:IIshira wrote:Damien White wrote:Anyway, now, nearly a month after implementation, has anyone found a niche for this ship where he would pay the money for it and doesnt want to change back to a different Ship? I would like to know this too. At about double the price of other pirate faction battleships I would expect the Nestor to do something awesome It has achieved awesomeness. It has managed to become a Pirate Faction battleship that (seemingly) no one thinks is OP. That has to be the greatest achievement of any ship.
So kind of like a Guristas shuttle... Way more expensive than a standard T1 shuttle but perhaps if you hit a secret combination of keys it will reveal an 8-8-8 slot layout. Fear my OP shuttle! |
IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
692
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Posted - 2014.02.19 14:30:00 -
[62] - Quote
From the posts I've read it can make a nice bait ship... Or a 3 billion ISK lossmail....
Any loadouts for purposes OTHER than bait?
If it's a PVP loadout the performance would have to justify the 1.5 billion ISK hull cost. For example the Nestor fits neuts but so does the Bhaalgorn at half the cost. Now if the Nestor could do better in some part then maybe the additional cost would be worth it.
For a PVE loadout hull cost isn't really a factor since it's rare you would lose one. The biggest factor here would be does it perform as good or better than ANY battleship?
From looking at EFT it does the same as a Navy Dominix.. The extra armor resistance makes up for the loss of a low slot. It doesn't have the PG for beam lasers but will fit mega pulse. The lack of low slots means you won't have room for heat sinks so the DPS will be poor. |
Ginger Barbarella
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
1875
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Posted - 2014.02.19 16:25:00 -
[63] - Quote
Personally, I kinda doubt this thing will even be safe in blue null. With the price tag I suspect it'll be a prime gank target in the usual freighter gank alleys.
I think this boat was just a mistake. "Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac |
IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
692
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Posted - 2014.02.19 18:52:00 -
[64] - Quote
Okay here's my attempt at a PVE loadout for level 4 missions.
Before the troll goes "Not all ships in Eve are for missions" I got it... You can't run missions with a Bhaalgorn either. This is my attempt at a loadout to keep discussion going and perhaps someone will find a good use for the Nestor. If you have a good PVP loadout that's not bait by all means please post it.
There's not enough PG for a prop mod or tachs. This fit still requires a +3 PG implant. At all level 5 skills the Nestor doesn't even have enough PG for a LAR and a full rack of mega pulse lasers... This is without ANY other modules fitted! Not enough low slots for a heat sink and you lose DPS if you replace a DDA with one.
[Nestor, PVE] Ammatar Navy Large Armor Repairer Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Reactive Armor Hardener Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II, Tracking Speed Script Omnidirectional Tracking Link II, Tracking Speed Script Omnidirectional Tracking Link II, Tracking Speed Script Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II
Drone Link Augmentor II Drone Link Augmentor II Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L
Large Drone Scope Chip I Large Auxiliary Nano Pump I Large Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Hobgoblin II x5 Hammerhead II x5 Garde II x5 Bouncer II x5 Warden II x5
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Victoria Thorne
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
17
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Posted - 2014.02.19 19:09:00 -
[65] - Quote
At a glance, your biggest problem is going to be the powergrid usage of a LAR vs a Large RAR. 1800 v 600
I think that you'd almost have to make it remote repairing and use it in pairs to be practical for anything. |
Thel Reth
Fallen Supremacy Hydrophobia.
2
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Posted - 2014.02.19 23:06:00 -
[66] - Quote
Bertrand Butler wrote:You could also use a Prophecy or even a Navy auguror if oyu wanted to spend less money. The reason for suggesting a Nestor is that everyone wants to kill a Nestor...C: Or even a 2bill proteus and have almost carrier ehp |
Damien White
Sonnenlegion Shadow Cartel
84
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Posted - 2014.02.20 18:56:00 -
[67] - Quote
Well, then you could simply field an carrier.
That is basicaly the main reason why I personaly think the ship is bad. For the cost of this thing you can field an carrier, get more EHP, Rep etc. 97% of girls would die if Justin Bieber were about to jump off a cliff. Post this in your sig if you`re part of the 3% yelling,
"DO A BARREL ROLL!" |
Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
6299
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Posted - 2014.02.20 22:16:00 -
[68] - Quote
One time bump to fix forum. |
SomethingIs InMyButt
Nightmare Coalition Recruitment Center
8
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Posted - 2014.03.05 18:07:00 -
[69] - Quote
The soe ships are meant to run ghost sites. And if i do say so, they excell at them. |
Batelle
HOMELE55
2095
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Posted - 2014.03.05 18:20:00 -
[70] - Quote
SomethingIs InMyButt wrote:The soe ships are meant to run ghost sites. And if i do say so, they excell at them.
T3s > > > Stratios > anything else "CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"
Never forget. |
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Arthur Aihaken
Perkone Caldari State
2981
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Posted - 2014.03.06 03:22:00 -
[71] - Quote
Coming Soon: The Rubicon 1.3 Nestor. Now with less suck. I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week. |
epicurus ataraxia
Z3R0 Return Mining Inc. Illusion of Solitude
672
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Posted - 2014.03.06 10:56:00 -
[72] - Quote
Shpenat wrote:
There is never going to be cov ops cloaky battleship. So please stop asking for one
This argument is getting tiresome. The sun rotates around the earth..... The earth is flat....
Just saying something often enough, does not make it either correct or true.
This ship has it's primary advantage low mass which ONLY is of benefit in wormholes. Without an ability to warp cloaked it is as much use as a submarine without a hatch. This has been done to death and explained hundreds of times, in depth clearly and concisely, tolstoy has written less. And still the same old same old comes back. Please just think and read a little before using this completely discredited and worthless argument again. There are rational and reasonable reasons for exactly why it is not only desireable but essential for this ships survival.
Unless you have a reason why it should never exist at all? There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE |
marVLs
573
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Posted - 2014.03.06 11:01:00 -
[73] - Quote
Nestor is bad, very bad for it's price and class, just useless. We all say it, we all know it but... |
SFM Hobb3s
Vanguard Frontiers Black Legion.
67
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Posted - 2014.03.06 17:44:00 -
[74] - Quote
If it had a jump drive and could jump to covert cynos...you would see much more demand and use of this ship. It would have the potential to expand the use of black ops entirely. You could actually start using black ops bs for more than just quick ratter ganks. You could actually start causing real problems behind enemy lines (blops fleets hitting sov structures etc). Isn't that what Black Ops should be about? |
Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
4983
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Posted - 2014.03.06 20:30:00 -
[75] - Quote
marVLs wrote:Nestor is bad, very bad for it's price and class, just useless. We all say it, we all know it but...
It's the Revenant all over again.
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epicurus ataraxia
Z3R0 Return Mining Inc. Illusion of Solitude
674
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Posted - 2014.03.07 02:15:00 -
[76] - Quote
marVLs wrote:Nestor is bad, very bad for it's price and class, just useless. We all say it, we all know it but... It is really really sad, after the astero and stratios, that offer so much, so much was expected of the nestor.
But.. It's not over yet, I hope and I think, that CCP Rise is reading all these comments, and taking note, at first, a little tweak here, a little tweak there, and eventually he will decide, which of the suggestions and comments are best for the ship and make it something special.
I am an optimist, and usually I am pleasantly suprised.
CCP Rise, there is enough in the threads now, for you to make the nestor something you can be proud of. All the pieces are here, just put them together, add flair, and this can be the best work you have ever done, and make a lot of people very happy. There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE |
Markku Laaksonen
EVE University Ivy League
373
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Posted - 2014.03.07 02:23:00 -
[77] - Quote
If price isn't an issue, how does the Nestor fare as an armor logi? Messing around in EFT says it can put out almost twice the reps of a Guardian. DUST 514 Recruit Code - https://dust514.com/recruit/zluCyb/
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crazy0146
Boris Johnson's Love Children Awakened.
58
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Posted - 2014.03.07 10:48:00 -
[78] - Quote
When dual boxing these i can get a 2k dps tank, cap stable with enough recharge to survive c5 sleeper neuts (possibly even c6 neuts) they each do 650+ dps with garde II's. All T2 fit
The only problem is the price which is 1.7bil each, so for what reason would i use these when for 500mil less then the price of one of these ships i can get a vargur or paladin that can tank the same and does 800+dps again all T2 fit.
Or i could just use 3 rr domis for even less. |
Markku Laaksonen
EVE University Ivy League
375
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Posted - 2014.03.07 13:43:00 -
[79] - Quote
crazy0146 wrote:so for what reason would i use these
Hint: It would be a trap. DUST 514 Recruit Code - https://dust514.com/recruit/zluCyb/
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Ryn Aldent
Card Shark Industries
0
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Posted - 2014.03.07 19:43:00 -
[80] - Quote
In my own Corp the Nester has been used successfully as a logi ship, running incursions. A VERY EXPENSIVE logi ship but it works. |
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IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
700
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Posted - 2014.03.08 01:04:00 -
[81] - Quote
Ryn Aldent wrote:In my own Corp the Nester has been used successfully as a logi ship, running incursions. A VERY EXPENSIVE logi ship but it works.
How does it compare to T2 logi? |
Bertrand Butler
Cras es Noster
261
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Posted - 2014.03.08 05:59:00 -
[82] - Quote
IIshira wrote:Okay here's my attempt at a PVE loadout for level 4 missions.
Before the troll goes "Not all ships in Eve are for missions" I got it... You can't run missions with a Bhaalgorn either. This is my attempt at a loadout to keep discussion going and perhaps someone will find a good use for the Nestor. If you have a good PVP loadout that's not bait by all means please post it.
There's not enough PG for a prop mod or tachs. This fit still requires a +3 PG implant. At all level 5 skills the Nestor doesn't even have enough PG for a LAR and a full rack of mega pulse lasers... This is without ANY other modules fitted! Not enough low slots for a heat sink and you lose DPS if you replace a DDA with one.
It gets 878 DPS with Bouncer II's and 972 with Garde II. Due to the 1.1 drone nerf using the Bouncer DPS figure is more realistic since the range of Garde's is crazy short.
[Nestor, PVE] Ammatar Navy Large Armor Repairer Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Reactive Armor Hardener Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II, Tracking Speed Script Omnidirectional Tracking Link II, Tracking Speed Script Omnidirectional Tracking Link II, Tracking Speed Script Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II
Drone Link Augmentor II Drone Link Augmentor II Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L
Large Drone Scope Chip I Large Auxiliary Nano Pump I Large Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Hobgoblin II x5 Hammerhead II x5 Garde II x5 Bouncer II x5 Warden II x5
You might as well shield tank it if you are going to use it for PvE...its that bad..XD
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Onictus
Silver Snake Enterprise Fatal Ascension
870
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Posted - 2014.03.08 07:51:00 -
[83] - Quote
Markku Laaksonen wrote:If price isn't an issue, how does the Nestor fare as an armor logi? Messing around in EFT says it can put out almost twice the reps of a Guardian.
Yeah for a couple minutes.
Look at what it takes to get a 4 repper nestor stable........ |
Jill Antaris
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
62
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Posted - 2014.03.08 09:14:00 -
[84] - Quote
IIshira wrote:Ryn Aldent wrote:In my own Corp the Nester has been used successfully as a logi ship, running incursions. A VERY EXPENSIVE logi ship but it works. How does it compare to T2 logi?
It does rep a bit more(around 30% with corpum a type meds), can field 1-2 more but weaker tracking links and adds around 800 DPS in sentrys. I have one for static VG Inc fleets but it isn't that impressive, even if you ignore cost(what you basically have to do when you put a halve way good setup together). The extra rep isn't really needed in a fleet that could afford it, it is far harder to keep alive with a marauder than a normal logi(that only needs 1-2 reps and be done with it) and it is 5 times the ISK of a pimp logi for a few more dps you could add with sentry drones and probably lose by the weaker tracking links. For everything else, where you need a mwd and movement it is worse in any way to normal logis, because it lacks the rep range and the proper cap.
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Berasus
Ice station zebra
31
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Posted - 2014.03.08 12:52:00 -
[85] - Quote
Onictus wrote:Markku Laaksonen wrote:If price isn't an issue, how does the Nestor fare as an armor logi? Messing around in EFT says it can put out almost twice the reps of a Guardian. Yeah for a couple minutes. Look at what it takes to get a 4 repper nestor stable........
6 repper nestor, > 1 hour cap time (10 minute 47s if you downgrade the implants to #05's to save cost) Needs to trade 1 large cap transmitter with another ship. (hey, when comparing it to a guardian, fair is fair)
Of course the whole issue is moot since it only gets 16.8km range on its remote reps which just doesn't cut it for a dedicated logistic ship.
[Nestor, New Setup 1] Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Energized Explosive Membrane II Capacitor Power Relay II Capacitor Power Relay II Capacitor Power Relay II
100MN Afterburner II Remote Tracking Computer II, Tracking Speed Script Remote Tracking Computer II, Tracking Speed Script Remote Tracking Computer II, Tracking Speed Script Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II
Large Remote Armor Repairer II Large Remote Armor Repairer II Large Remote Armor Repairer II Large Remote Armor Repairer II Large Remote Armor Repairer II Large Remote Armor Repairer II Large Remote Capacitor Transmitter II
Large Remote Repair Augmentor II Large Remote Repair Augmentor II Large Remote Repair Augmentor II
EO-606 implant RA-706 implant EM-806 implant |
Markku Laaksonen
EVE University Ivy League
378
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Posted - 2014.03.10 20:52:00 -
[86] - Quote
Onictus wrote:Markku Laaksonen wrote:If price isn't an issue, how does the Nestor fare as an armor logi? Messing around in EFT says it can put out almost twice the reps of a Guardian. Yeah for a couple minutes. Look at what it takes to get a 4 repper nestor stable........
I messed around a tiny bit in EFT, and seem to recall it taking one or two Guardian ETs. I can check when I can access EFT. DUST 514 Recruit Code - https://dust514.com/recruit/zluCyb/
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Markku Laaksonen
EVE University Ivy League
378
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Posted - 2014.03.10 20:53:00 -
[87] - Quote
Berasus wrote:Nestor Logi fit
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Berasus
Ice station zebra
32
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Posted - 2014.03.11 01:52:00 -
[88] - Quote
Markku Laaksonen wrote:Berasus wrote:Nestor Logi fit Why do you have TCs? I assume they're meant to be scan res scripted SeBos?
Force of habit from normally flying oneiros for logistics. You could put sebos there if you want (probably a good idea to in fact) but the point was really just that it is actually possible to get a nestor effectively cap stable with an impressive amount of rep(6 bonused large reppers) in a similar setup to the other cap chaining logis. Its big downfall as a logistics ship is the crap range on it's reppers (and its price tag, tho incursion runners may overlook that if it did the job noticeably better than a guardian). |
Kahdath
Intentionally Dense Easily Excited
20
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Posted - 2014.03.11 02:30:00 -
[89] - Quote
Found this tucked away in the patch notes for tomorrow (Rubicon 1.3):
The Nestor has received a small set of balance changes: Capacitor raised to 7000 (was 6200) Capacitor recharge time lowered to 1025s (was 1154s) Scan resolution increased to 125 (was 85) Role bonus to range of remote armor repairers raised to 200% (was 100%) |
Berasus
Ice station zebra
32
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Posted - 2014.03.11 04:30:00 -
[90] - Quote
Kahdath wrote:Found this tucked away in the patch notes for tomorrow (Rubicon 1.3):
The Nestor has received a small set of balance changes: Capacitor raised to 7000 (was 6200) Capacitor recharge time lowered to 1025s (was 1154s) Scan resolution increased to 125 (was 85) Role bonus to range of remote armor repairers raised to 200% (was 100%)
Wow, that might just make it a viable and practical logistics ship. The cap changes should even make it possible to run a full rack of 7 large remote reppers without relying on cap-chaining.
It's still going to hurt for range tho. %200 bonus is a definite improvement but its still a touch low. 25.2km instead of 16.8km. |
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Kahdath
Intentionally Dense Easily Excited
20
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Posted - 2014.03.11 06:06:00 -
[91] - Quote
Berasus wrote:Kahdath wrote:Found this tucked away in the patch notes for tomorrow (Rubicon 1.3):
Wow, that might just make it a viable logistics ship. The cap changes should even make it possible to run a full rack of 7 large remote reppers without relying on cap-chaining (or stick to 6 and not need quite so many cap modules). It's still going to hurt for range tho. %200 bonus is a definite improvement but its still a touch low. 25.2km instead of 16.8km.
Pretty much my exact thoughts. I'm going to wait for the updated pyfa/eft files and then play with loadouts to see how many remote reps i can use with only a couple of cap mods.
Too bad they didn't just go the whole hog and give it ~50km rep range though. Still, in a battleship gang, 25km should be enough for most scenarios. Certainly a lot less restrictive than the 8km that a spider tanking fleet has to cope with. |
IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
707
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Posted - 2014.03.11 14:10:00 -
[92] - Quote
Berasus wrote:Kahdath wrote:Found this tucked away in the patch notes for tomorrow (Rubicon 1.3):
Wow, that might just make it a viable logistics ship. The cap changes should even make it possible to run a full rack of 7 large remote reppers without relying on cap-chaining (or stick to 6 and not need quite so many cap modules). It's still going to hurt for range tho. %200 bonus is a definite improvement but its still a touch low. 25.2km instead of 16.8km. This does sound like a start in the right direction. Now only if the price would be similar to other pirate faction battleships. |
Steph Livingston
Neko's Blanket
23
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Posted - 2014.03.11 14:28:00 -
[93] - Quote
I took a look at the Nestor on the test server a week or so ago, and the changes really do make a difference. I'm a little out of practice fitting ships, but the additional cap and RR distance bonuses made it easier for me to make a stable build.
These changes really help add a little more focus to the Nestor, it's a solid ship if you don't judge it by the over inflated price tag.
After my testing the only criticism I have is that the slot layout doesn't feel quite right. I often found myself with an over abundance of mid slots, and a limited number of modules I actually wanted to fit there, but quite constrained in the low slots.
I know the layout is more conducive for a exploration build, so it can fit the Analyzer/Hacking devices, but I feel the Nestor could really benefit from loosing one mid slot and gaining one low slot. |
Kahdath
Intentionally Dense Easily Excited
20
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Posted - 2014.03.11 15:22:00 -
[94] - Quote
Steph Livingston wrote:I took a look at the Nestor on the test server a week or so ago, and the changes really do make a difference. I'm a little out of practice fitting ships, but the additional cap and RR distance bonuses made it easier for me to make a stable build.
These changes really help add a little more focus to the Nestor, it's a solid ship if you don't judge it by the over inflated price tag.
After my testing the only criticism I have is that the slot layout doesn't feel quite right. I often found myself with an over abundance of mid slots, and a limited number of modules I actually wanted to fit there, but quite constrained in the low slots.
I know the layout is more conducive for a exploration build, so it can fit the Analyzer/Hacking devices, but I feel the Nestor could really benefit from loosing one mid slot and gaining one low slot.
Honestly I love the abundance of midslots. Try mixing and matching the following: - Cap rechargers - Cap boosters - Sensor Boosters - ECCM (Magnetometric) - AB/MWD/MJD
Any of these are pretty useful on the Nestor. |
Steph Livingston
Neko's Blanket
24
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Posted - 2014.03.11 16:51:00 -
[95] - Quote
Kahdath wrote: Honestly I love the abundance of midslots. Try mixing and matching the following: - Cap rechargers - Cap boosters - Sensor Boosters - ECCM (Magnetometric) - AB/MWD/MJD
Any of these are pretty useful on the Nestor.
I have, but I found even with the sensor and cap boosting equipment, I found I usually would have preferred a low slot over a medium. The Nestor can't negate much damage by speed tanking like the smaller logi ships, so having the option of fitting a heavier tank, which I kind of expect from a Gallente/Amarr hybrid anyway, would be a nice option.
Plus, when you don't need the tank, there are other options for cap recharge in the low slots which provide more benefit, but at a cost.
It's just my personal opinion. |
IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
707
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Posted - 2014.03.11 16:55:00 -
[96] - Quote
Bertrand Butler wrote:IIshira wrote:Okay here's my attempt at a PVE loadout for level 4 missions.
Before the troll goes "Not all ships in Eve are for missions" I got it... You can't run missions with a Bhaalgorn either. This is my attempt at a loadout to keep discussion going and perhaps someone will find a good use for the Nestor. If you have a good PVP loadout that's not bait by all means please post it.
There's not enough PG for a prop mod or tachs. This fit still requires a +3 PG implant. At all level 5 skills the Nestor doesn't even have enough PG for a LAR and a full rack of mega pulse lasers... This is without ANY other modules fitted! Not enough low slots for a heat sink and you lose DPS if you replace a DDA with one.
It gets 878 DPS with Bouncer II's and 972 with Garde II. Due to the 1.1 drone nerf using the Bouncer DPS figure is more realistic since the range of Garde's is crazy short.
[Nestor, PVE] Ammatar Navy Large Armor Repairer Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Reactive Armor Hardener Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II, Tracking Speed Script Omnidirectional Tracking Link II, Tracking Speed Script Omnidirectional Tracking Link II, Tracking Speed Script Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II
Drone Link Augmentor II Drone Link Augmentor II Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L
Large Drone Scope Chip I Large Auxiliary Nano Pump I Large Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Hobgoblin II x5 Hammerhead II x5 Garde II x5 Bouncer II x5 Warden II x5 You might as well shield tank it if you are going to use it for PvE...its that bad..XD Thanks for the review. I took five minutes to throw it together so I'm sure it could be better. Please post your shield fit
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Markku Laaksonen
EVE University Ivy League
379
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Posted - 2014.03.12 15:34:00 -
[97] - Quote
I was going to come back here and mention that Nestor buffs, but I was beaten to it. Also, I just realized the fit I commented on had Remote Tracking Computers, and that apparently Tracking Links are now called Remote Tracking Computers.
So the Nestor has a stronger cap (both amount and recharge), faster locking of smaller friendlies, and more rep range.
My thoughts are to use one as a giant logistics platform. If it can't run cap stable, or if neuting pressure is applied, a cap buddy could be helpful. Maybe a Guardian to set up a cap chain and for secondary reps. DUST 514 Recruit Code - https://dust514.com/recruit/zluCyb/
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Bertrand Butler
Cras es Noster
263
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Posted - 2014.03.12 15:46:00 -
[98] - Quote
IIshira wrote:Bertrand Butler wrote:IIshira wrote:Okay here's my attempt at a PVE loadout for level 4 missions.
Before the troll goes "Not all ships in Eve are for missions" I got it... You can't run missions with a Bhaalgorn either. This is my attempt at a loadout to keep discussion going and perhaps someone will find a good use for the Nestor. If you have a good PVP loadout that's not bait by all means please post it.
There's not enough PG for a prop mod or tachs. This fit still requires a +3 PG implant. At all level 5 skills the Nestor doesn't even have enough PG for a LAR and a full rack of mega pulse lasers... This is without ANY other modules fitted! Not enough low slots for a heat sink and you lose DPS if you replace a DDA with one.
It gets 878 DPS with Bouncer II's and 972 with Garde II. Due to the 1.1 drone nerf using the Bouncer DPS figure is more realistic since the range of Garde's is crazy short.
[Nestor, PVE] Ammatar Navy Large Armor Repairer Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Reactive Armor Hardener Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II, Tracking Speed Script Omnidirectional Tracking Link II, Tracking Speed Script Omnidirectional Tracking Link II, Tracking Speed Script Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II
Drone Link Augmentor II Drone Link Augmentor II Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L
Large Drone Scope Chip I Large Auxiliary Nano Pump I Large Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Hobgoblin II x5 Hammerhead II x5 Garde II x5 Bouncer II x5 Warden II x5 You might as well shield tank it if you are going to use it for PvE...its that bad..XD Thanks for the review. I took five minutes to throw it together so I'm sure it could be better. Please post your shield fit
Well, as I said its bad for PvE. Here is a shield variant for sansha.
[Nestor, PVE]
Ammatar Navy Large Armor Repairer Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Reactive Armor Hardener Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II, Optimal Range Script Omnidirectional Tracking Link II, Optimal Range Script Omnidirectional Tracking Link II, Optimal Range Script Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II
Drone Link Augmentor II Drone Link Augmentor II Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L
Large Drone Scope Chip I Large Auxiliary Nano Pump I Large Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Curator II x5
Will give you about a thousand DPS with curators and scorch @~65km. Really, you can get that much from a T1 BS... |
Steph Livingston
Neko's Blanket
25
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Posted - 2014.03.12 18:06:00 -
[99] - Quote
That's the same build... I think something went wrong in your post.
I think I should point out that the Nestor's laser bonus fits an extreme sniper rather then a close range bruiser. Even if you can't fit a whole rack, T2 beam lasers pre crystal should have an optimal range of 70km+. Throw a set of microwave and wardens out and you're probably effective up to the 120km range.
Ships like the Domi can do that, but rely on drone damage exclusively. |
Bertrand Butler
Cras es Noster
263
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Posted - 2014.03.12 19:38:00 -
[100] - Quote
derp...fixed. |
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
14077
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Posted - 2014.03.13 10:47:00 -
[101] - Quote
Steph Livingston wrote:That's the same build... I think something went wrong in your post.
I think I should point out that the Nestor's laser bonus fits an extreme sniper rather then a close range bruiser. Even if you can't fit a whole rack, T2 beam lasers pre crystal should have an optimal range of 70km+. Throw a set of microwave and wardens out and you're probably effective up to the 120km range.
Ships like the Domi can do that, but rely on drone damage exclusively.
Actually with Scorch L, a range bonus turns Pulse lasers into a "very nearly long" range weapon with short range tracking.
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Steph Livingston
Neko's Blanket
25
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Posted - 2014.03.13 12:56:00 -
[102] - Quote
Malcanis wrote: Actually with Scorch L, a range bonus turns Pulse lasers into a "very nearly long" range weapon with short range tracking.
True, the range is still impressive when you fit a set of Pulse lasers, but I personally feel like I'm wasting the bonus a little bit when I fit pulse.
I normally use a domi to run PvE missions, and I try to engage at ranges over 100km to destroy most of the threats before they can even fire back. Beams just give me the option of adding a little DPS at that range.
It's far from optimal, but it works for me.
Anyways, it's not worth risking a Nestor to test with right now. The price actually shot up after the patch, making it an even bigger gank target than before. Hopefully we start seeing the drone chips come in, so the price can start dropping soon. |
Bouh Revetoile
TIPIAKS
550
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Posted - 2014.03.13 13:42:00 -
[103] - Quote
It looks like the bigest problem of the Nestor is not in fact it's power or usefulness, but its price.
And the price is set up that high because of the Stratios, Astero and probing tools of the sisters.
I find this extremely funny, because when the Stratios was discussed everyone was crying for OPness because of how cheap it would be because of highsec farmers. It turns out that people couldn't have been more wrong.
Now, a lot of people have turned to sister's missions, so I think the prices will go down eventually to a more normal price, and the chips should greatly help for this. The process will only take some time. |
Steph Livingston
Neko's Blanket
25
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Posted - 2014.03.13 15:50:00 -
[104] - Quote
I used to think that way, but I've come to realize that to many people have tied it's cost to to the LP/ISK ratio they equate for the SoE and refuse to sell for cheaper.
If anything is going to bring down the price, it'll be the new drone turn ins. Unfortunately, I have no idea what the drop rate of that sort of thing is, and what kind of effect it's having on the other pirate fractions to make any intelligent guess.
Honestly, I think the only way we're going to see the Nestor drop to a reasonable price is if the LP price for the SoE Ships was dropped to the same price as the other factions. If it was rebalanced, the Nestor would be worth around 1bil at the current exchange rate, before being influenced by the NPC drops. It's still high, but more reasonable then the current prices.
I know CCP tried to balance the 'risk/reward' mechanic, but the current system isn't working. |
Bouh Revetoile
TIPIAKS
550
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Posted - 2014.03.13 22:15:00 -
[105] - Quote
Steph Livingston wrote:I used to think that way, but I've come to realize that to many people have tied it's cost to to the LP/ISK ratio they equate for the SoE and refuse to sell for cheaper.
If anything is going to bring down the price, it'll be the new drone turn ins. Unfortunately, I have no idea what the drop rate of that sort of thing is, and what kind of effect it's having on the other pirate fractions to make any intelligent guess.
Honestly, I think the only way we're going to see the Nestor drop to a reasonable price is if the LP price for the SoE Ships was dropped to the same price as the other factions. If it was rebalanced, the Nestor would be worth around 1bil at the current exchange rate, before being influenced by the NPC drops. It's still high, but more reasonable then the current prices.
I know CCP tried to balance the 'risk/reward' mechanic, but the current system isn't working. What drives the price of the Nestor is the isk/sisters LP ratio. This price is itself driver crazy high by the demand on the new ships (Astero and Stratios) and the old sister's probing tools. Sister's probing tools are already rather widely spread on the market, so the additional work force who came to grind LP for the new mainly only partialy absorbed the demand for the new ships. But when everyone will have its new toy, there will only need a little more than to replace the dying ones.
As far as I know, prices for the Stratios are still droping, and prices for the Astero have almost reached the level of other pirate frigates so the market will settle soon for these ships. And with the chips, the only remaining driving factor for the sister's LP cost will be the probing tools, but the farmers won't ignore them forever.
If I'd made a bet, I'd say that with the chips and nullsec sister's corp, eventually the ships won't be as good as the probing tools for highsec sister's LP, so the farmers will leave the ships alone and focus on the probing tools ; so the remaining ships sources will be the same as other pirate faction ships, and the prices will finaly settle at the same level.
PS : IIRC, a dev said that the drop rate for the chips will be the same than for other pirate faction, but I'm not sure anymore. |
Catherine Laartii
Knights of Xibalba
105
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Posted - 2014.03.14 07:43:00 -
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The thoughts form the devs were along the lines of saying that they main reason they didn't make it covops is that it would step on the toes of the black ops boats, which implies they have a desire to change them to covops, something i am totally ok with. I figure wait and see until blops thread hits and we can see one way or the other if they decided giving blops and then by extension the Nestor is a good idea. Which I think it is, for the record; solo blops ships would make FANTASTIC nullsec and wh site runners. MJD covops for the win! |
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