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Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
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Posted - 2014.01.28 04:12:00 -
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I thought CCP was against removing content. Oh god. |
Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4454
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Posted - 2014.01.28 04:19:00 -
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Tyberius Franklin wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:Nexus Day wrote:So the OP is whining because he can't pick on newbs with Drones 1 in hi sec.
I'll start the slow clap...feel free to join in.
New players run missions in multi-billion isk marauders. Was it only used against multi-billion isk marauders?
Was it only used against newbies with Drones 1? This post was lovingly crafted by a member of the Goonwaffe Posting Cabal |
Asia Leigh
Beyond New Frontier
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Posted - 2014.01.28 04:22:00 -
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Nevyn Auscent wrote:How is this a nail? I mean seriously. Before Rubicon you never could do this. CCP's intent is that they have to press a button to start a limited engagement. I have no issues with that, it brings drones in line with every other weapons system, rather than drones having aberrant behaviour with the MTU's & other deployable's. You can still steal their loot, suspect bait them then bump them while yellow to try and taunt them into shooting like you had to before Rubicon.
So yea, HTFU Pirates, this one isn't a slow boil.
^^^ This ^^^
They inadvertently gave you an easy button, and they nerfed it. I see no issues here. You still have all the tools you had before the deployables were introduced in November. OP really needs to stop whining >.>
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Chopper Rollins
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
499
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Posted - 2014.01.28 04:23:00 -
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These pure PVP pilots that live permanently in Empire space picking on industry, hauler, exploration and mission PVE pilots are kinda weird and playing a different game. Their threads only make sense when you understand they are the same stunted rookie-pond-forever as those they pretend to despise.
Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good. |
Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4455
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Posted - 2014.01.28 04:31:00 -
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Chopper Rollins wrote:These pure PVP pilots that live permanently in Empire space picking on industry, hauler, exploration and mission PVE pilots are kinda weird and playing a different game. Their threads only make sense when you understand they are the same stunted rookie-pond-forever as those they pretend to despise.
Interesting. Which game are the non-PVP people playing? This post was lovingly crafted by a member of the Goonwaffe Posting Cabal |
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor Cosmic Consortium
4817
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Posted - 2014.01.28 04:34:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:Chopper Rollins wrote:These pure PVP pilots that live permanently in Empire space picking on industry, hauler, exploration and mission PVE pilots are kinda weird and playing a different game. Their threads only make sense when you understand they are the same stunted rookie-pond-forever as those they pretend to despise.
Interesting. Which game are the non-PVP people playing?
The same one: picking on targets they know they can beat Day 0 advice for new players: Day 0 Advice for New Players |
Vladimir Norkoff
Income Redistribution Service
313
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Posted - 2014.01.28 04:34:00 -
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Well I can understand the change. Hi-sec mission-runners make up a substantial portion of CCP's bottom-line. And it's not exactly like the game is drawing in tons of new players everyday, so they can't really afford to lose their current ones (which happens when folks ragequit over unexpected mechanics).
Personally, I still hold to the idea that the MTUs should have been made loot-able rather than shoot-able. Taking somebody's "hard-earned" loot makes them more likely to pewpew, rather than shooting something they own - that just scares them. But undoubtedly CCP chose the shoot-able route in order to create an effective ISK/mineral sink. And it is rather efficient in that regard. |
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
2611
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Posted - 2014.01.28 04:38:00 -
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Asia Leigh wrote:Nevyn Auscent wrote:How is this a nail? I mean seriously. Before Rubicon you never could do this. CCP's intent is that they have to press a button to start a limited engagement. I have no issues with that, it brings drones in line with every other weapons system, rather than drones having aberrant behaviour with the MTU's & other deployable's. You can still steal their loot, suspect bait them then bump them while yellow to try and taunt them into shooting like you had to before Rubicon.
So yea, HTFU Pirates, this one isn't a slow boil. ^^^ This ^^^ They inadvertently gave you an easy button, and they nerfed it. I see no issues here. You still have all the tools you had before the deployables were introduced in November. OP really needs to stop whining >.> That's not the point. The point is, they added a new tool and now they're taking it away and taking content away with it. This contradicts the design philosophy many players expect of CCP. Oh god. |
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
984
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Posted - 2014.01.28 04:46:00 -
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Riot Girl wrote:Asia Leigh wrote:Nevyn Auscent wrote:How is this a nail? I mean seriously. Before Rubicon you never could do this. CCP's intent is that they have to press a button to start a limited engagement. I have no issues with that, it brings drones in line with every other weapons system, rather than drones having aberrant behaviour with the MTU's & other deployable's. You can still steal their loot, suspect bait them then bump them while yellow to try and taunt them into shooting like you had to before Rubicon.
So yea, HTFU Pirates, this one isn't a slow boil. ^^^ This ^^^ They inadvertently gave you an easy button, and they nerfed it. I see no issues here. You still have all the tools you had before the deployables were introduced in November. OP really needs to stop whining >.> That's not the point. The point is, they added a new tool and now they're taking it away and taking content away with it. This contradicts the design philosophy many players expect of CCP. No, the tool isn't going away, just a single behavior of drones associated with it. |
Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4456
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Posted - 2014.01.28 05:01:00 -
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That's ok I guess, the outcome is more amusing when you gank them with a dozen T1 catalysts anyway. This post was lovingly crafted by a member of the Goonwaffe Posting Cabal |
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Angelica Dreamstar
Epic Boo Bees
364
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Posted - 2014.01.28 05:07:00 -
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Riot Girl wrote:Asia Leigh wrote:Nevyn Auscent wrote:How is this a nail? I mean seriously. Before Rubicon you never could do this. CCP's intent is that they have to press a button to start a limited engagement. I have no issues with that, it brings drones in line with every other weapons system, rather than drones having aberrant behaviour with the MTU's & other deployable's. You can still steal their loot, suspect bait them then bump them while yellow to try and taunt them into shooting like you had to before Rubicon.
So yea, HTFU Pirates, this one isn't a slow boil. ^^^ This ^^^ They inadvertently gave you an easy button, and they nerfed it. I see no issues here. You still have all the tools you had before the deployables were introduced in November. OP really needs to stop whining >.> That's not the point. The point is, they added a new tool and now they're taking it away and taking content away with it. This contradicts the design philosophy many players expect of CCP. No. The point is the slow crawling towards security. OP mentions it himself.
This clearly doesn't fall into it.
The "content" it took away was that people had to blitz through mission runners with MTUs and drones, until they found someone who has set them to aggressive. Blitz through. Of course, because wasting time on someone who doesn't have his drones set to aggressive is pointless, as the goal is to find an expensive and easy kill ... fast. A target which falls into a trap laid out by CCP themselves, as the aggressor didn't actually have to do anything besides shooting some structure in space ... once!
It's too late now. People should have been humble and smart. Instead, as usual, they were arrogant and stupid. EVE ONLINE: The universe is ours!- Join the Epic Boo Bees! (RP,PvE/PvP,wardecs,new players!)You're at it from day 0! |
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
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Posted - 2014.01.28 05:48:00 -
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Angelica Dreamstar wrote:No. The point is the slow crawling towards security. OP mentions it himself. Yes, that too. Removing valuable content to satisfy the safety concerns of those too lazy to learn game mechanics.
Quote:The "content" it took away was that people had to blitz through mission runners with MTUs and drones, until they found someone who has set them to aggressive. Blitz through. Of course, because wasting time on someone who doesn't have his drones set to aggressive is pointless, as the goal is to find an expensive and easy kill ... fast. A target which falls into a trap laid out by CCP themselves, as the aggressor didn't actually have to do anything besides shooting some structure in space ... once! Yes, it was a great source of player interaction and player created content. I'm not defending CCPs decision to introduce the MTU in its former state or arguing that it was wise of them to introduce it that way, but I am sceptical of their decision to remove it. Oh god. |
I Love Boobies
All Hail Boobies
993
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Posted - 2014.01.28 06:32:00 -
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Makes me chuckle when people who are supposed to be hardcore PVPer's whine about not getting easy kills any more, whining to HTFU to carebears when CCP FIXES something. You can still get those fancy ships worth billions... just get some Ganknados. I see people doing it all the time. So perhaps those whining should be the ones HTFUing up, eh? |
Angelica Dreamstar
Epic Boo Bees
364
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Posted - 2014.01.28 06:46:00 -
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Riot Girl wrote:Angelica Dreamstar wrote:No. The point is the slow crawling towards security. OP mentions it himself. Yes, that too. Removing valuable content to satisfy the safety concerns of those too lazy to learn game mechanics. No. "Valueable" is it for those few who kill many with pretty much no effort except blitzing through a mission system. People who do nothing else than blitzing mission runners until they find one that has his drones set to aggressive. Then they shoot at a structure ONCE and the deal is sealed.
Quote:Yes, it was a great source of player interaction and player created content. I'm not defending CCPs decision to introduce the MTU in its former state or arguing that it was wise of them to introduce it that way, but I am sceptical of their decision to remove it. Nope.
People run through missions until they find a runner who uses an MTU and has his drones set to aggressive. Then they shoot the structure ... once. So much for "great source of player interaction and player created content". Null. Nada. Most of the "content" the aggressor creates is his own, which has nothing to do with the other. The victim is simply getting owned and most probably has no ******* clue wtf was going on until it's too late.
Warp in. Shoot once. Wait shortly. If runners drones don't agress, then warp off and find next mission runner. OR Warp in. Shoot once. Wait shortly. If runners' drones aggress, wtfbbqown him.
Try words with more connection to reality ... we're not in politics here. EVE ONLINE: The universe is ours!- Join the Epic Boo Bees! (RP,PvE/PvP,wardecs,new players!)You're at it from day 0! |
Angelica Dreamstar
Epic Boo Bees
364
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Posted - 2014.01.28 06:48:00 -
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I Love Boobies wrote:Makes me chuckle when people who are supposed to be hardcore PVPer's whine about not getting easy kills any more, whining to HTFU to carebears when CCP FIXES something. You can still get those fancy ships worth billions... just get some Ganknados. I see people doing it all the time. So perhaps those whining should be the ones HTFUing up, eh? There are hypocrites and low-lifes in every group. EVE ONLINE: The universe is ours!- Join the Epic Boo Bees! (RP,PvE/PvP,wardecs,new players!)You're at it from day 0! |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
4210
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Posted - 2014.01.28 07:02:00 -
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Something is being done to fix aggro fu and yet claims of nerfing, WoWization, etc.
Look, if you want to fight, go find a fight. There are even highsec to nullsec jumps where there are people actually waiting to fight you. Heck I like to drop a bomb on them sometimes when I feel like a fight.
Playing with game mechanics so to open a door to 10 on 1 ganking is NOT PVP.
If this bothers some people, find another game. |
Doctor Ungabungas
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
277
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Posted - 2014.01.28 07:04:00 -
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If you want to non-consentually kill mission runners, why not come out to NPC 0.0 where there are hundreds of mission runners waiting for people just like you! |
Angelica Dreamstar
Epic Boo Bees
368
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Posted - 2014.01.28 07:10:00 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:Something is being done to fix aggro fu and yet claims of nerfing, WoWization, etc. Look, if you want to fight, go find a fight. There are even highsec to nullsec jumps where there are people actually waiting to fight you. Heck I like to drop a bomb on them sometimes when I feel like a fight. Playing with game mechanics so to open a door to 10 on 1 ganking is NOT PVP. If this bothers some people, find another game. You're so far off .... and it's not even intentional.
They don't want to fight! It's about making ISK and tears! It's not about fights !
And besides that ... it *is* PvP. It's as much PvP as every other interaction between players is PvP ! This isn't a matter of opinion. It's a matter of definition ! Player vs. Player !
Sheesh, how are you even allowed to comment ... EVE ONLINE: The universe is ours!- Join the Epic Boo Bees! (RP,PvE/PvP,wardecs,new players!)You're at it from day 0! |
Doctor Ungabungas
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
277
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Posted - 2014.01.28 07:13:00 -
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Angelica Dreamstar wrote:Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:Something is being done to fix aggro fu and yet claims of nerfing, WoWization, etc. Look, if you want to fight, go find a fight. There are even highsec to nullsec jumps where there are people actually waiting to fight you. Heck I like to drop a bomb on them sometimes when I feel like a fight. Playing with game mechanics so to open a door to 10 on 1 ganking is NOT PVP. If this bothers some people, find another game. You're so far off .... and it's not even intentional. They don't want to fight! It's about making ISK and tears! It's not about fights ! And besides that ... it *is* PvP. It's as much PvP as every other interaction between players is PvP ! This isn't a matter of opinion. It's a matter of definition ! Player vs. Player ! Sheesh, how are you even allowed to comment ...
If you honestly thought that this loophole was going to stand in the face of the effort by CCP over the last few patches to prevent people being 'tricked' into PvP then I've got a great deal on a bridge for you. |
Jamagh
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
152
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Posted - 2014.01.28 07:14:00 -
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Plastic Psycho wrote:Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:Plastic Psycho wrote:Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:Well its clear CCP has given up the ghost on the HTFU core that made EvE great, as well as documented in detail here they are now doubling-down on Disneyland with the next patch that has a little more nerfing for the little carebears of hisec buried in the patch notes... So... CCP adds a new toy. Toy is shiny and popular, and lots of people play with it. CCP doesn't like how some people are playing with the toy, and change is a little bit. The crying begins... Dude. The toy is still there. It's just not as enticing as it was before - To you. Big Buff, followed by small nerf. Big flippin' deal - But you make it sound like the apocalypse. What's your issue? CCP isn't allowed to nerf anything unless you say so? Next, I supopse you'll want them to run Buffs past your for approval. Patch Day whinging starts early. Feh. Its not about one thing, its about being slow boiled as described here I see. And your railing in GD is going to change that presumed fate (if indeed you're even remotely correct - Which I doubt)... How?The windmills are thataway, don Quixote ==> Tell Sancho Panza I said hello.
He is more like that crazy old man in the robes with the sign that says the end is near. "Please stop reopening silly rumor threads."-á CCP Navigator. |
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
4210
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Posted - 2014.01.28 07:14:00 -
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Angelica Dreamstar wrote:Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:Something is being done to fix aggro fu and yet claims of nerfing, WoWization, etc. Look, if you want to fight, go find a fight. There are even highsec to nullsec jumps where there are people actually waiting to fight you. Heck I like to drop a bomb on them sometimes when I feel like a fight. Playing with game mechanics so to open a door to 10 on 1 ganking is NOT PVP. If this bothers some people, find another game. You're so far off .... and it's not even intentional. They don't want to fight! It's about making ISK and tears! It's not about fights ! And besides that ... it *is* PvP. It's as much PvP as every other interaction between players is PvP ! This isn't a matter of opinion. It's a matter of definition ! Player vs. Player ! Sheesh, how are you even allowed to comment ...
What exactly are we disagreeing about?
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Angelica Dreamstar
Epic Boo Bees
368
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Posted - 2014.01.28 07:16:00 -
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Doctor Ungabungas wrote:Angelica Dreamstar wrote:Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:Something is being done to fix aggro fu and yet claims of nerfing, WoWization, etc. Look, if you want to fight, go find a fight. There are even highsec to nullsec jumps where there are people actually waiting to fight you. Heck I like to drop a bomb on them sometimes when I feel like a fight. Playing with game mechanics so to open a door to 10 on 1 ganking is NOT PVP. If this bothers some people, find another game. You're so far off .... and it's not even intentional. They don't want to fight! It's about making ISK and tears! It's not about fights ! And besides that ... it *is* PvP. It's as much PvP as every other interaction between players is PvP ! This isn't a matter of opinion. It's a matter of definition ! Player vs. Player ! Sheesh, how are you even allowed to comment ... If you honestly thought that this loophole was going to stand in the face of the effort by CCP over the last few patches to prevent people being 'tricked' into PvP then I've got a great deal on a bridge for you. If you're honestly able to read then you should see that I didn't.
I predicted that this will be closed right from the get-go. Nobody listened to me. Assholes, as usual, just cared for themselves and now, as usual, they get what they deserve and come, as usual, whining about it. EVE ONLINE: The universe is ours!- Join the Epic Boo Bees! (RP,PvE/PvP,wardecs,new players!)You're at it from day 0! |
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
2616
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Posted - 2014.01.28 07:17:00 -
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Angelica Dreamstar wrote:People run through missions until they find a runner who uses an MTU and has his drones set to aggressive. Then they shoot the structure ... once. So much for "great source of player interaction and player created content". It's the mission runner's responsibility to understand the mechanics of MTUs. If he is ganked, it is his own fault. Perhaps he should try using it to bait gankers instead.
Oh god. |
Angelica Dreamstar
Epic Boo Bees
368
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Posted - 2014.01.28 07:22:00 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:Look, if you want to fight, go find a fight. There are even highsec to nullsec jumps where there are people actually waiting to fight you. Heck I like to drop a bomb on them sometimes when I feel like a fight.
You believe these people want to fight. They don't. See above.
Quote:Playing with game mechanics so to open a door to 10 on 1 ganking is NOT PVP. It still is PvP, because it's between players. Player vs. Player. This includes everything going on between players. That's why it's called that way. Even afk players.
"that's not pvp", "if you want to fight, find a fight. don't resort to such lame tactics to find a fight".
Your post tells me that you somehow believe in good, possibly honourable fights. EVE ONLINE: The universe is ours!- Join the Epic Boo Bees! (RP,PvE/PvP,wardecs,new players!)You're at it from day 0! |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
4211
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Posted - 2014.01.28 07:30:00 -
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Angelica Dreamstar wrote:Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:Look, if you want to fight, go find a fight. There are even highsec to nullsec jumps where there are people actually waiting to fight you. Heck I like to drop a bomb on them sometimes when I feel like a fight. You believe these people want to fight. They don't. See above. Quote:Playing with game mechanics so to open a door to 10 on 1 ganking is NOT PVP. It still is PvP, because it's between players. Player vs. Player. This includes everything going on between players. That's why it's called that way. Even afk players. "that's not pvp", "if you want to fight, find a fight. don't resort to such lame tactics to find a fight". Your post tells me that you somehow believe in good, possibly honourable fights.
We're having semantical differences. It's like the Greek Concordant version of the Old Testament - you can translate every line 5 different ways (hence the lolage of the last 5000 years).
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Angelica Dreamstar
Epic Boo Bees
372
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Posted - 2014.01.28 07:36:00 -
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Riot Girl wrote:Angelica Dreamstar wrote:People run through missions until they find a runner who uses an MTU and has his drones set to aggressive. Then they shoot the structure ... once. So much for "great source of player interaction and player created content". It's the mission runner's responsibility to understand the mechanics of MTUs. If he is ganked, it is his own fault. Perhaps he should try using it to bait gankers instead. Yeah, that's perfectly fine.
Do you know the amount of players who knew that the MTU would trigger an LE, because drones that are set to aggressive will automatically engage the aggressor?
I do. Zero!
And as soon as somebody found out, it made the rounds. There was no mentioning of this. No where. At first nobody knew it, except for those who did it. Then message spread across. It even reached the forums. There's no way to force everybody to read the forums and there was no global message provided by CCP about this.
We can argue that CCP could have worked around this ... absolutely. They could have simply included it into the game mechanics. Made it official. Mission runners would have adapted. But this didn't happen. It didn't happen, because those who absued the mechanic didn't help making it happen. They were too busy abusing it for their own good, instead of thinking about the greater good behind it. If people would have kept low and rather tried to get the point across to CCP, then this thread wouldn't have happened.
Then ... hahahahaha ... this would be a carebear thread! :D A carebear, whining about how he died to some suspect, unknowing that his drones would aggress!
Didn't happen ... blame yourself. EVE ONLINE: The universe is ours!- Join the Epic Boo Bees! (RP,PvE/PvP,wardecs,new players!)You're at it from day 0! |
Thats OK
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2014.01.28 07:37:00 -
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Nice change, and a needed one. The exploit never happened to me but i heard it was a real nasty one. |
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
2617
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Posted - 2014.01.28 07:42:00 -
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Angelica Dreamstar wrote:Then ... hahahahaha ... this would be a carebear thread! :D A carebear, whining about how he died to some suspect, unknowing that his drones would aggress!
Didn't happen ... blame yourself. What am I blaming myself for exactly?
Oh god. |
Angelica Dreamstar
Epic Boo Bees
373
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Posted - 2014.01.28 07:46:00 -
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Riot Girl wrote:Angelica Dreamstar wrote:Then ... hahahahaha ... this would be a carebear thread! :D A carebear, whining about how he died to some suspect, unknowing that his drones would aggress!
Didn't happen ... blame yourself. What am I blaming myself for exactly? Ah ... I'm tired. Haven't slept this night. "yourself" in this case is many of those who whine about it being removed. The people who abused it. EVE ONLINE: The universe is ours!- Join the Epic Boo Bees! (RP,PvE/PvP,wardecs,new players!)You're at it from day 0! |
Kryptik Kai
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
7658
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Posted - 2014.01.28 07:56:00 -
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Honestly... HTFU already. There are still ways to pick fights with HS mission runners.
Or hell.. you could pick fights with mission runners in low/null...
"Shiny.-á Lets be bad guys." -Jayne Cobb |
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