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Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
441
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Posted - 2014.01.28 02:21:00 -
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Well its clear CCP has given up the ghost on the HTFU core that made EvE great, as well as documented in detail here they are now doubling-down on Disneyland with the next patch that has a little more nerfing for the little carebears of hisec buried in the patch notes...
Evidently shooting at mobile tractor units owned by a bear with drones out in aggressive mode will *no longer* cause his drones to attack the agressor.
Why?
Because gosh no you cant expect the little bears to use their brains and the right drone setting, they must be bubble wrapped to prevent an inventive pirate from getting a limited agression on them while they are farming mission sites.
I am really getting disgusted with this water-torture drip of hisec nerfs that keep coming and make it abundantly clear CCP has lost the plot. With each one of these it becomes clear they care more about aquiring WoW reject subs, than retaining mine.
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Would you like to know more? |
Frostys Virpio
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
985
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Posted - 2014.01.28 02:24:00 -
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Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:Well its clear CCP has given up the ghost on the HTFU core that made EvE great, as well as documented in detail here they are now doubling-down on Disneyland with the next patch that has a little more nerfing for the little carebears of hisec buried in the patch notes... Evidently shooting at mobile tractor units owned by a bear with drones out in aggressive mode will *no longer* cause his drones to attack the agressor. " Drones that are set to aggressive will no longer perform automatic actions against a target if those actions would trigger a new Limited Engagement, unless explicitly instructed to engage that target." Why? Because gosh no you cant expect the little bears to use their brains and the right drone setting, they must be bubble wrapped to prevent an inventive pirate from getting a limited agression on them while they are farming mission sites. I am really getting disgusted with this water-torture drip of hisec nerfs that keep coming and make it abundantly clear CCP has lost the plot. With each one of these it becomes clear they care more about aquiring WoW reject subs, than retaining mine. F
If they didn't want drones to behave that way, they should of just removed the aggressive setting of drones. |
Silvetica Dian
Manson Family Advent of Fate
654
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Posted - 2014.01.28 02:25:00 -
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i hope this isn't true. was the best feature of the MTU even though i don't really PVP in high sec. Money at its root is a form of rationing. When the richest 85 people have as much wealth as the poorest 3.5 billion (50% of humanity) it is clear where the source of poverty is. http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jan/20/trickle-down-economics-broken-promise-richest-85 |
Kimmi Chan
Tastes Like Purple
838
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Posted - 2014.01.28 02:27:00 -
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Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:Because gosh no you cant expect the little bears to use their brains and the right drone setting, they must be bubble wrapped to prevent an inventive pirate from getting a limited agression on them while they are farming mission sites.
Never have used an MTU. I can salvage and loot my ****. I have these things on my ship called engines...
"You should just create one thread and put all of your complaints in it instead of littering the forums with multiple threads." ~CCP Falcon
[Member of The BrownCoat Syndicate] |
Carmen Electra
The Scope Gallente Federation
230
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Posted - 2014.01.28 02:28:00 -
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Tears from the "HTFU" crowd, best tears. |
Nariya Kentaya
Always Negative
1024
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Posted - 2014.01.28 02:39:00 -
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Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:Well its clear CCP has given up the ghost on the HTFU core that made EvE great, as well as documented in detail here they are now doubling-down on Disneyland with the next patch that has a little more nerfing for the little carebears of hisec buried in the patch notes... Evidently shooting at mobile tractor units owned by a bear with drones out in aggressive mode will *no longer* cause his drones to attack the agressor. " Drones that are set to aggressive will no longer perform automatic actions against a target if those actions would trigger a new Limited Engagement, unless explicitly instructed to engage that target." Why? Because gosh no you cant expect the little bears to use their brains and the right drone setting, they must be bubble wrapped to prevent an inventive pirate from getting a limited agression on them while they are farming mission sites. I am really getting disgusted with this water-torture drip of hisec nerfs that keep coming and make it abundantly clear CCP has lost the plot. With each one of these it becomes clear they care more about aquiring WoW reject subs, than retaining mine. F waah waah, so much whine, Droens are a weapon system, when under green-flag in Crimewatch, it is SUPPOSED to not be possible to start limited engagements, drones circumvented that mechanic.
sorry that your easy-kill button is now working under game mechanics as they were implied to work.
(and no, i dont use drones, hate them for everything, but the people whining about why drones should circumvent crimewatch safety settings need to learn to find real kills instead of sitting aroudn waiting for stupid noobs with loot pinatas) |
Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4450
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Posted - 2014.01.28 02:42:00 -
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Nariya Kentaya wrote:when under green-flag in Crimewatch, it is SUPPOSED to not be possible to start limited engagements
Wrong. This post was lovingly crafted by a member of the Goonwaffe Posting Cabal |
ZynnLee Akkori
Perkone Caldari State
51
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Posted - 2014.01.28 02:42:00 -
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I agree! The tears of an internet 'gangsta' is sweet and goes down smooth. |
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
2609
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Posted - 2014.01.28 02:44:00 -
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Is there an official source? Oh god. |
Silvetica Dian
Manson Family Advent of Fate
656
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Posted - 2014.01.28 02:45:00 -
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Nariya Kentaya wrote: waah waah, so much whine, Droens are a weapon system, when under green-flag in Crimewatch, it is SUPPOSED to not be possible to start limited engagements, drones circumvented that mechanic.
sorry that your easy-kill button is now working under game mechanics as they were implied to work.
(and no, i dont use drones, hate them for everything, but the people whining about why drones should circumvent crimewatch safety settings need to learn to find real kills instead of sitting aroudn waiting for stupid noobs with loot pinatas)
Look i don't do much in high sec and while i like reading about the MTU stuff i really don't care. It is not true however that drones violated the green safety setting. Any weapon system fired at a suspect or criminal is allowed under green safety setting. aggressive drones under green will shoot criminals and suspects if they fire on stuff owned by you personally. It isn't hard and it isn't complex. If missioners can't either use passive drones or switch to passive when people invade their site then they are idiots who deserve to lose their ships. there is no reason to change this. again......i don't hunt mission runners and i don't use MTU. i have no horse in this race. Money at its root is a form of rationing. When the richest 85 people have as much wealth as the poorest 3.5 billion (50% of humanity) it is clear where the source of poverty is. http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jan/20/trickle-down-economics-broken-promise-richest-85 |
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
15625
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Posted - 2014.01.28 02:56:00 -
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Riot Girl wrote:Is there an official source? Rubicon 1.1 patch notes Hidden away towards the bottom of the fixes section
Quote:Drones that are set to aggressive will no longer perform automatic actions against a target if those actions would trigger a new Limited Engagement, unless explicitly instructed to engage that target. Nariya Kentaya wrote:waah waah, so much whine, Droens are a weapon system, when under green-flag in Crimewatch, it is SUPPOSED to not be possible to start limited engagements, drones circumvented that mechanic. You don't need to switch off the safety to engage a suspect, as such drones engaging suspects didn't bypass the safety. |
KnowUsByTheDead
Radiation Blues
947
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Posted - 2014.01.28 03:11:00 -
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This is horseshit.
Yet another nail in the coffin that is being prepped for high security piracy.
vOv
::CCP:: Once you realize what a joke everything is, being the comedian is the only thing that makes sense. -á-á-á-á-á-á-á |
Plastic Psycho
Necro-Economics
1081
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Posted - 2014.01.28 03:14:00 -
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Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:Well its clear CCP has given up the ghost on the HTFU core that made EvE great, as well as documented in detail here they are now doubling-down on Disneyland with the next patch that has a little more nerfing for the little carebears of hisec buried in the patch notes... So...
CCP adds a new toy. Toy is shiny and popular, and lots of people play with it. CCP doesn't like how some people are playing with the toy, and change is a little bit. The crying begins...
Dude. The toy is still there. It's just not as enticing as it was before - To you. Big Buff, followed by small nerf. Big flippin' deal - But you make it sound like the apocalypse. What's your issue? CCP isn't allowed to nerf anything unless you say so? Next, I supopse you'll want them to run Buffs past your for approval.
Patch Day whinging starts early. Feh. |
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
445
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Posted - 2014.01.28 03:21:00 -
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Plastic Psycho wrote:Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:Well its clear CCP has given up the ghost on the HTFU core that made EvE great, as well as documented in detail here they are now doubling-down on Disneyland with the next patch that has a little more nerfing for the little carebears of hisec buried in the patch notes... So... CCP adds a new toy. Toy is shiny and popular, and lots of people play with it. CCP doesn't like how some people are playing with the toy, and change is a little bit. The crying begins... Dude. The toy is still there. It's just not as enticing as it was before - To you. Big Buff, followed by small nerf. Big flippin' deal - But you make it sound like the apocalypse. What's your issue? CCP isn't allowed to nerf anything unless you say so? Next, I supopse you'll want them to run Buffs past your for approval. Patch Day whinging starts early. Feh. Its not about one thing, its about being slow boiled as described here Would you like to know more? |
Plastic Psycho
Necro-Economics
1082
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Posted - 2014.01.28 03:25:00 -
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Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:Plastic Psycho wrote:Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:Well its clear CCP has given up the ghost on the HTFU core that made EvE great, as well as documented in detail here they are now doubling-down on Disneyland with the next patch that has a little more nerfing for the little carebears of hisec buried in the patch notes... So... CCP adds a new toy. Toy is shiny and popular, and lots of people play with it. CCP doesn't like how some people are playing with the toy, and change is a little bit. The crying begins... Dude. The toy is still there. It's just not as enticing as it was before - To you. Big Buff, followed by small nerf. Big flippin' deal - But you make it sound like the apocalypse. What's your issue? CCP isn't allowed to nerf anything unless you say so? Next, I supopse you'll want them to run Buffs past your for approval. Patch Day whinging starts early. Feh. Its not about one thing, its about being slow boiled as described here I see.
And your railing in GD is going to change that presumed fate (if indeed you're even remotely correct - Which I doubt)... How?
The windmills are thataway, don Quixote ==> Tell Sancho Panza I said hello. |
Arthur Aihaken
State Protectorate Caldari State
2842
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Posted - 2014.01.28 03:25:00 -
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Yes, I liked how they snuck that little gem into the update without any fanfare... I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week. |
Nexus Day
Lustrevik Trade and Travel Bureau
948
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Posted - 2014.01.28 03:27:00 -
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So the OP is whining because he can't pick on newbs with Drones 1 in hi sec.
I'll start the slow clap...feel free to join in.
This thread has so much content it may be 'Thread of the Year' and it is only January.
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Plastic Psycho
Necro-Economics
1082
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Posted - 2014.01.28 03:29:00 -
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Nexus Day wrote:So the OP is whining because he can't pick on newbs with Drones 1 in hi sec.
I'll start the slow clap...feel free to join in.
can't do it... I'm too overwhelmed by the sadness and despair of the OP.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKffm2uI4dk |
Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4451
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Posted - 2014.01.28 03:30:00 -
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Nexus Day wrote:So the OP is whining because he can't pick on newbs with Drones 1 in hi sec.
I'll start the slow clap...feel free to join in.
New players run missions in multi-billion isk marauders. This post was lovingly crafted by a member of the Goonwaffe Posting Cabal |
Angelica Dreamstar
Epic Boo Bees
357
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Posted - 2014.01.28 03:30:00 -
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Arthur Aihaken wrote:Yes, I liked how they snuck that little gem into the update without any fanfare... Yay paranoia.
It was completely predictable that they'll fix it ... one way or the other.
It's too late to make a fuzz about it. Should have done that earlier. EVE ONLINE: The universe is ours!- Join the Epic Boo Bees! (RP,PvE/PvP,wardecs,new players!)You're at it from day 0! |
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Plastic Psycho
Necro-Economics
1082
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Posted - 2014.01.28 03:33:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:Nexus Day wrote:So the OP is whining because he can't pick on newbs with Drones 1 in hi sec.
I'll start the slow clap...feel free to join in.
New players run missions in multi-billion isk marauders. Anyone with that kind of ISK and SP who is dumb enough to fall for the MTU Drone gambit, is dumb enough to fall for any number of other gambits. MTUs were never supposed to be "Easy" buttons for gankers. Get with the program. |
Angelica Dreamstar
Epic Boo Bees
357
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Posted - 2014.01.28 03:35:00 -
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KnowUsByTheDead wrote:This is horseshit.
Yet another nail in the coffin that is being prepped for high security piracy.
vOv
::CCP:: Blame yourself. And the others. EVE ONLINE: The universe is ours!- Join the Epic Boo Bees! (RP,PvE/PvP,wardecs,new players!)You're at it from day 0! |
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
983
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Posted - 2014.01.28 03:40:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:Nexus Day wrote:So the OP is whining because he can't pick on newbs with Drones 1 in hi sec.
I'll start the slow clap...feel free to join in.
New players run missions in multi-billion isk marauders. Was it only used against multi-billion isk marauders? |
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
977
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Posted - 2014.01.28 03:40:00 -
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How is this a nail? I mean seriously. Before Rubicon you never could do this. CCP's intent is that they have to press a button to start a limited engagement. I have no issues with that, it brings drones in line with every other weapons system, rather than drones having aberrant behaviour with the MTU's & other deployable's. You can still steal their loot, suspect bait them then bump them while yellow to try and taunt them into shooting like you had to before Rubicon.
So yea, HTFU Pirates, this one isn't a slow boil. |
Angelica Dreamstar
Epic Boo Bees
357
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Posted - 2014.01.28 03:42:00 -
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Nevyn Auscent wrote:How is this a nail? I mean seriously. Before Rubicon you never could do this. CCP's intent is that they have to press a button to start a limited engagement. I have no issues with that, it brings drones in line with every other weapons system, rather than drones having aberrant behaviour with the MTU's & other deployable's. You can still steal their loot, suspect bait them then bump them while yellow to try and taunt them into shooting like you had to before Rubicon.
So yea, HTFU Pirates, this one isn't a slow boil. I agree. What got removed is something that wasn't there before anyway so there's no real harm done. EVE ONLINE: The universe is ours!- Join the Epic Boo Bees! (RP,PvE/PvP,wardecs,new players!)You're at it from day 0! |
Kimmi Chan
Tastes Like Purple
845
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Posted - 2014.01.28 03:44:00 -
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Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:Its not about one thing, its about being slow boiled as described on my blog.
So you want us to read your blog? Why didn't you just say so? "You should just create one thread and put all of your complaints in it instead of littering the forums with multiple threads." ~CCP Falcon
[Member of The BrownCoat Syndicate] |
Yosef Brinalle
University of Caille Gallente Federation
17
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Posted - 2014.01.28 03:46:00 -
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comment edited for being wrong |
Angelica Dreamstar
Epic Boo Bees
357
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Posted - 2014.01.28 03:50:00 -
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Kimmi Chan wrote:Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:Its not about one thing, its about being slow boiled as described on my blog. So you want us to read your blog? Why didn't you just say so? It's not worth reading it.
If he used half a brain cell he'd understand that something got added and removed again, which is completely different from having something changed/removed that was there for a long time. It doesn't matter anymore anyway ... now it's too late! EVE ONLINE: The universe is ours!- Join the Epic Boo Bees! (RP,PvE/PvP,wardecs,new players!)You're at it from day 0! |
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor Cosmic Consortium
4814
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Posted - 2014.01.28 03:53:00 -
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Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:I am really getting disgusted with this water-torture drip of hisec nerfs that keep coming and make it abundantly clear CCP has lost the plot. With each one of these it becomes clear they care more about aquiring WoW reject subs, than retaining mine.
Can you describe the scenarios that existed before the MTU was introduced that enabled you to trick aggressive drones into shooting you without the operator's direct instructions to do so?
As a comparison, can you describe a scenario in which you can trick a mission runner's turret or missile systems to shooting you without the operator's direct instructions to do so?
I'm just trying to educate myself on this topic. Thanks for your help! Day 0 advice for new players: Day 0 Advice for New Players |
stoicfaux
3965
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Posted - 2014.01.28 03:59:00 -
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OP angry because OP needed a PvE mechanic to initiate PvP?
WASABI: Warp Acceleration System Ancillary Boost Injected(Gäó)
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Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
2610
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Posted - 2014.01.28 04:12:00 -
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I thought CCP was against removing content. Oh god. |
Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4454
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Posted - 2014.01.28 04:19:00 -
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Tyberius Franklin wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:Nexus Day wrote:So the OP is whining because he can't pick on newbs with Drones 1 in hi sec.
I'll start the slow clap...feel free to join in.
New players run missions in multi-billion isk marauders. Was it only used against multi-billion isk marauders?
Was it only used against newbies with Drones 1? This post was lovingly crafted by a member of the Goonwaffe Posting Cabal |
Asia Leigh
Beyond New Frontier
7
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Posted - 2014.01.28 04:22:00 -
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Nevyn Auscent wrote:How is this a nail? I mean seriously. Before Rubicon you never could do this. CCP's intent is that they have to press a button to start a limited engagement. I have no issues with that, it brings drones in line with every other weapons system, rather than drones having aberrant behaviour with the MTU's & other deployable's. You can still steal their loot, suspect bait them then bump them while yellow to try and taunt them into shooting like you had to before Rubicon.
So yea, HTFU Pirates, this one isn't a slow boil.
^^^ This ^^^
They inadvertently gave you an easy button, and they nerfed it. I see no issues here. You still have all the tools you had before the deployables were introduced in November. OP really needs to stop whining >.>
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Chopper Rollins
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
499
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Posted - 2014.01.28 04:23:00 -
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These pure PVP pilots that live permanently in Empire space picking on industry, hauler, exploration and mission PVE pilots are kinda weird and playing a different game. Their threads only make sense when you understand they are the same stunted rookie-pond-forever as those they pretend to despise.
Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good. |
Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4455
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Posted - 2014.01.28 04:31:00 -
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Chopper Rollins wrote:These pure PVP pilots that live permanently in Empire space picking on industry, hauler, exploration and mission PVE pilots are kinda weird and playing a different game. Their threads only make sense when you understand they are the same stunted rookie-pond-forever as those they pretend to despise.
Interesting. Which game are the non-PVP people playing? This post was lovingly crafted by a member of the Goonwaffe Posting Cabal |
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor Cosmic Consortium
4817
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Posted - 2014.01.28 04:34:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:Chopper Rollins wrote:These pure PVP pilots that live permanently in Empire space picking on industry, hauler, exploration and mission PVE pilots are kinda weird and playing a different game. Their threads only make sense when you understand they are the same stunted rookie-pond-forever as those they pretend to despise.
Interesting. Which game are the non-PVP people playing?
The same one: picking on targets they know they can beat Day 0 advice for new players: Day 0 Advice for New Players |
Vladimir Norkoff
Income Redistribution Service
313
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Posted - 2014.01.28 04:34:00 -
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Well I can understand the change. Hi-sec mission-runners make up a substantial portion of CCP's bottom-line. And it's not exactly like the game is drawing in tons of new players everyday, so they can't really afford to lose their current ones (which happens when folks ragequit over unexpected mechanics).
Personally, I still hold to the idea that the MTUs should have been made loot-able rather than shoot-able. Taking somebody's "hard-earned" loot makes them more likely to pewpew, rather than shooting something they own - that just scares them. But undoubtedly CCP chose the shoot-able route in order to create an effective ISK/mineral sink. And it is rather efficient in that regard. |
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
2611
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Posted - 2014.01.28 04:38:00 -
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Asia Leigh wrote:Nevyn Auscent wrote:How is this a nail? I mean seriously. Before Rubicon you never could do this. CCP's intent is that they have to press a button to start a limited engagement. I have no issues with that, it brings drones in line with every other weapons system, rather than drones having aberrant behaviour with the MTU's & other deployable's. You can still steal their loot, suspect bait them then bump them while yellow to try and taunt them into shooting like you had to before Rubicon.
So yea, HTFU Pirates, this one isn't a slow boil. ^^^ This ^^^ They inadvertently gave you an easy button, and they nerfed it. I see no issues here. You still have all the tools you had before the deployables were introduced in November. OP really needs to stop whining >.> That's not the point. The point is, they added a new tool and now they're taking it away and taking content away with it. This contradicts the design philosophy many players expect of CCP. Oh god. |
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
984
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Posted - 2014.01.28 04:46:00 -
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Riot Girl wrote:Asia Leigh wrote:Nevyn Auscent wrote:How is this a nail? I mean seriously. Before Rubicon you never could do this. CCP's intent is that they have to press a button to start a limited engagement. I have no issues with that, it brings drones in line with every other weapons system, rather than drones having aberrant behaviour with the MTU's & other deployable's. You can still steal their loot, suspect bait them then bump them while yellow to try and taunt them into shooting like you had to before Rubicon.
So yea, HTFU Pirates, this one isn't a slow boil. ^^^ This ^^^ They inadvertently gave you an easy button, and they nerfed it. I see no issues here. You still have all the tools you had before the deployables were introduced in November. OP really needs to stop whining >.> That's not the point. The point is, they added a new tool and now they're taking it away and taking content away with it. This contradicts the design philosophy many players expect of CCP. No, the tool isn't going away, just a single behavior of drones associated with it. |
Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4456
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Posted - 2014.01.28 05:01:00 -
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That's ok I guess, the outcome is more amusing when you gank them with a dozen T1 catalysts anyway. This post was lovingly crafted by a member of the Goonwaffe Posting Cabal |
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Angelica Dreamstar
Epic Boo Bees
364
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Posted - 2014.01.28 05:07:00 -
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Riot Girl wrote:Asia Leigh wrote:Nevyn Auscent wrote:How is this a nail? I mean seriously. Before Rubicon you never could do this. CCP's intent is that they have to press a button to start a limited engagement. I have no issues with that, it brings drones in line with every other weapons system, rather than drones having aberrant behaviour with the MTU's & other deployable's. You can still steal their loot, suspect bait them then bump them while yellow to try and taunt them into shooting like you had to before Rubicon.
So yea, HTFU Pirates, this one isn't a slow boil. ^^^ This ^^^ They inadvertently gave you an easy button, and they nerfed it. I see no issues here. You still have all the tools you had before the deployables were introduced in November. OP really needs to stop whining >.> That's not the point. The point is, they added a new tool and now they're taking it away and taking content away with it. This contradicts the design philosophy many players expect of CCP. No. The point is the slow crawling towards security. OP mentions it himself.
This clearly doesn't fall into it.
The "content" it took away was that people had to blitz through mission runners with MTUs and drones, until they found someone who has set them to aggressive. Blitz through. Of course, because wasting time on someone who doesn't have his drones set to aggressive is pointless, as the goal is to find an expensive and easy kill ... fast. A target which falls into a trap laid out by CCP themselves, as the aggressor didn't actually have to do anything besides shooting some structure in space ... once!
It's too late now. People should have been humble and smart. Instead, as usual, they were arrogant and stupid. EVE ONLINE: The universe is ours!- Join the Epic Boo Bees! (RP,PvE/PvP,wardecs,new players!)You're at it from day 0! |
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
2612
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Posted - 2014.01.28 05:48:00 -
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Angelica Dreamstar wrote:No. The point is the slow crawling towards security. OP mentions it himself. Yes, that too. Removing valuable content to satisfy the safety concerns of those too lazy to learn game mechanics.
Quote:The "content" it took away was that people had to blitz through mission runners with MTUs and drones, until they found someone who has set them to aggressive. Blitz through. Of course, because wasting time on someone who doesn't have his drones set to aggressive is pointless, as the goal is to find an expensive and easy kill ... fast. A target which falls into a trap laid out by CCP themselves, as the aggressor didn't actually have to do anything besides shooting some structure in space ... once! Yes, it was a great source of player interaction and player created content. I'm not defending CCPs decision to introduce the MTU in its former state or arguing that it was wise of them to introduce it that way, but I am sceptical of their decision to remove it. Oh god. |
I Love Boobies
All Hail Boobies
993
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Posted - 2014.01.28 06:32:00 -
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Makes me chuckle when people who are supposed to be hardcore PVPer's whine about not getting easy kills any more, whining to HTFU to carebears when CCP FIXES something. You can still get those fancy ships worth billions... just get some Ganknados. I see people doing it all the time. So perhaps those whining should be the ones HTFUing up, eh? |
Angelica Dreamstar
Epic Boo Bees
364
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Posted - 2014.01.28 06:46:00 -
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Riot Girl wrote:Angelica Dreamstar wrote:No. The point is the slow crawling towards security. OP mentions it himself. Yes, that too. Removing valuable content to satisfy the safety concerns of those too lazy to learn game mechanics. No. "Valueable" is it for those few who kill many with pretty much no effort except blitzing through a mission system. People who do nothing else than blitzing mission runners until they find one that has his drones set to aggressive. Then they shoot at a structure ONCE and the deal is sealed.
Quote:Yes, it was a great source of player interaction and player created content. I'm not defending CCPs decision to introduce the MTU in its former state or arguing that it was wise of them to introduce it that way, but I am sceptical of their decision to remove it. Nope.
People run through missions until they find a runner who uses an MTU and has his drones set to aggressive. Then they shoot the structure ... once. So much for "great source of player interaction and player created content". Null. Nada. Most of the "content" the aggressor creates is his own, which has nothing to do with the other. The victim is simply getting owned and most probably has no ******* clue wtf was going on until it's too late.
Warp in. Shoot once. Wait shortly. If runners drones don't agress, then warp off and find next mission runner. OR Warp in. Shoot once. Wait shortly. If runners' drones aggress, wtfbbqown him.
Try words with more connection to reality ... we're not in politics here. EVE ONLINE: The universe is ours!- Join the Epic Boo Bees! (RP,PvE/PvP,wardecs,new players!)You're at it from day 0! |
Angelica Dreamstar
Epic Boo Bees
364
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Posted - 2014.01.28 06:48:00 -
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I Love Boobies wrote:Makes me chuckle when people who are supposed to be hardcore PVPer's whine about not getting easy kills any more, whining to HTFU to carebears when CCP FIXES something. You can still get those fancy ships worth billions... just get some Ganknados. I see people doing it all the time. So perhaps those whining should be the ones HTFUing up, eh? There are hypocrites and low-lifes in every group. EVE ONLINE: The universe is ours!- Join the Epic Boo Bees! (RP,PvE/PvP,wardecs,new players!)You're at it from day 0! |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
4210
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Posted - 2014.01.28 07:02:00 -
[46] - Quote
Something is being done to fix aggro fu and yet claims of nerfing, WoWization, etc.
Look, if you want to fight, go find a fight. There are even highsec to nullsec jumps where there are people actually waiting to fight you. Heck I like to drop a bomb on them sometimes when I feel like a fight.
Playing with game mechanics so to open a door to 10 on 1 ganking is NOT PVP.
If this bothers some people, find another game. |
Doctor Ungabungas
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
277
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Posted - 2014.01.28 07:04:00 -
[47] - Quote
If you want to non-consentually kill mission runners, why not come out to NPC 0.0 where there are hundreds of mission runners waiting for people just like you! |
Angelica Dreamstar
Epic Boo Bees
368
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Posted - 2014.01.28 07:10:00 -
[48] - Quote
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:Something is being done to fix aggro fu and yet claims of nerfing, WoWization, etc. Look, if you want to fight, go find a fight. There are even highsec to nullsec jumps where there are people actually waiting to fight you. Heck I like to drop a bomb on them sometimes when I feel like a fight. Playing with game mechanics so to open a door to 10 on 1 ganking is NOT PVP. If this bothers some people, find another game. You're so far off .... and it's not even intentional.
They don't want to fight! It's about making ISK and tears! It's not about fights !
And besides that ... it *is* PvP. It's as much PvP as every other interaction between players is PvP ! This isn't a matter of opinion. It's a matter of definition ! Player vs. Player !
Sheesh, how are you even allowed to comment ... EVE ONLINE: The universe is ours!- Join the Epic Boo Bees! (RP,PvE/PvP,wardecs,new players!)You're at it from day 0! |
Doctor Ungabungas
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
277
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Posted - 2014.01.28 07:13:00 -
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Angelica Dreamstar wrote:Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:Something is being done to fix aggro fu and yet claims of nerfing, WoWization, etc. Look, if you want to fight, go find a fight. There are even highsec to nullsec jumps where there are people actually waiting to fight you. Heck I like to drop a bomb on them sometimes when I feel like a fight. Playing with game mechanics so to open a door to 10 on 1 ganking is NOT PVP. If this bothers some people, find another game. You're so far off .... and it's not even intentional. They don't want to fight! It's about making ISK and tears! It's not about fights ! And besides that ... it *is* PvP. It's as much PvP as every other interaction between players is PvP ! This isn't a matter of opinion. It's a matter of definition ! Player vs. Player ! Sheesh, how are you even allowed to comment ...
If you honestly thought that this loophole was going to stand in the face of the effort by CCP over the last few patches to prevent people being 'tricked' into PvP then I've got a great deal on a bridge for you. |
Jamagh
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
152
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Posted - 2014.01.28 07:14:00 -
[50] - Quote
Plastic Psycho wrote:Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:Plastic Psycho wrote:Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:Well its clear CCP has given up the ghost on the HTFU core that made EvE great, as well as documented in detail here they are now doubling-down on Disneyland with the next patch that has a little more nerfing for the little carebears of hisec buried in the patch notes... So... CCP adds a new toy. Toy is shiny and popular, and lots of people play with it. CCP doesn't like how some people are playing with the toy, and change is a little bit. The crying begins... Dude. The toy is still there. It's just not as enticing as it was before - To you. Big Buff, followed by small nerf. Big flippin' deal - But you make it sound like the apocalypse. What's your issue? CCP isn't allowed to nerf anything unless you say so? Next, I supopse you'll want them to run Buffs past your for approval. Patch Day whinging starts early. Feh. Its not about one thing, its about being slow boiled as described here I see. And your railing in GD is going to change that presumed fate (if indeed you're even remotely correct - Which I doubt)... How?The windmills are thataway, don Quixote ==> Tell Sancho Panza I said hello.
He is more like that crazy old man in the robes with the sign that says the end is near. "Please stop reopening silly rumor threads."-á CCP Navigator. |
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
4210
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Posted - 2014.01.28 07:14:00 -
[51] - Quote
Angelica Dreamstar wrote:Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:Something is being done to fix aggro fu and yet claims of nerfing, WoWization, etc. Look, if you want to fight, go find a fight. There are even highsec to nullsec jumps where there are people actually waiting to fight you. Heck I like to drop a bomb on them sometimes when I feel like a fight. Playing with game mechanics so to open a door to 10 on 1 ganking is NOT PVP. If this bothers some people, find another game. You're so far off .... and it's not even intentional. They don't want to fight! It's about making ISK and tears! It's not about fights ! And besides that ... it *is* PvP. It's as much PvP as every other interaction between players is PvP ! This isn't a matter of opinion. It's a matter of definition ! Player vs. Player ! Sheesh, how are you even allowed to comment ...
What exactly are we disagreeing about?
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Angelica Dreamstar
Epic Boo Bees
368
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Posted - 2014.01.28 07:16:00 -
[52] - Quote
Doctor Ungabungas wrote:Angelica Dreamstar wrote:Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:Something is being done to fix aggro fu and yet claims of nerfing, WoWization, etc. Look, if you want to fight, go find a fight. There are even highsec to nullsec jumps where there are people actually waiting to fight you. Heck I like to drop a bomb on them sometimes when I feel like a fight. Playing with game mechanics so to open a door to 10 on 1 ganking is NOT PVP. If this bothers some people, find another game. You're so far off .... and it's not even intentional. They don't want to fight! It's about making ISK and tears! It's not about fights ! And besides that ... it *is* PvP. It's as much PvP as every other interaction between players is PvP ! This isn't a matter of opinion. It's a matter of definition ! Player vs. Player ! Sheesh, how are you even allowed to comment ... If you honestly thought that this loophole was going to stand in the face of the effort by CCP over the last few patches to prevent people being 'tricked' into PvP then I've got a great deal on a bridge for you. If you're honestly able to read then you should see that I didn't.
I predicted that this will be closed right from the get-go. Nobody listened to me. Assholes, as usual, just cared for themselves and now, as usual, they get what they deserve and come, as usual, whining about it. EVE ONLINE: The universe is ours!- Join the Epic Boo Bees! (RP,PvE/PvP,wardecs,new players!)You're at it from day 0! |
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
2616
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Posted - 2014.01.28 07:17:00 -
[53] - Quote
Angelica Dreamstar wrote:People run through missions until they find a runner who uses an MTU and has his drones set to aggressive. Then they shoot the structure ... once. So much for "great source of player interaction and player created content". It's the mission runner's responsibility to understand the mechanics of MTUs. If he is ganked, it is his own fault. Perhaps he should try using it to bait gankers instead.
Oh god. |
Angelica Dreamstar
Epic Boo Bees
368
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Posted - 2014.01.28 07:22:00 -
[54] - Quote
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:Look, if you want to fight, go find a fight. There are even highsec to nullsec jumps where there are people actually waiting to fight you. Heck I like to drop a bomb on them sometimes when I feel like a fight.
You believe these people want to fight. They don't. See above.
Quote:Playing with game mechanics so to open a door to 10 on 1 ganking is NOT PVP. It still is PvP, because it's between players. Player vs. Player. This includes everything going on between players. That's why it's called that way. Even afk players.
"that's not pvp", "if you want to fight, find a fight. don't resort to such lame tactics to find a fight".
Your post tells me that you somehow believe in good, possibly honourable fights. EVE ONLINE: The universe is ours!- Join the Epic Boo Bees! (RP,PvE/PvP,wardecs,new players!)You're at it from day 0! |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
4211
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Posted - 2014.01.28 07:30:00 -
[55] - Quote
Angelica Dreamstar wrote:Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:Look, if you want to fight, go find a fight. There are even highsec to nullsec jumps where there are people actually waiting to fight you. Heck I like to drop a bomb on them sometimes when I feel like a fight. You believe these people want to fight. They don't. See above. Quote:Playing with game mechanics so to open a door to 10 on 1 ganking is NOT PVP. It still is PvP, because it's between players. Player vs. Player. This includes everything going on between players. That's why it's called that way. Even afk players. "that's not pvp", "if you want to fight, find a fight. don't resort to such lame tactics to find a fight". Your post tells me that you somehow believe in good, possibly honourable fights.
We're having semantical differences. It's like the Greek Concordant version of the Old Testament - you can translate every line 5 different ways (hence the lolage of the last 5000 years).
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Angelica Dreamstar
Epic Boo Bees
372
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Posted - 2014.01.28 07:36:00 -
[56] - Quote
Riot Girl wrote:Angelica Dreamstar wrote:People run through missions until they find a runner who uses an MTU and has his drones set to aggressive. Then they shoot the structure ... once. So much for "great source of player interaction and player created content". It's the mission runner's responsibility to understand the mechanics of MTUs. If he is ganked, it is his own fault. Perhaps he should try using it to bait gankers instead. Yeah, that's perfectly fine.
Do you know the amount of players who knew that the MTU would trigger an LE, because drones that are set to aggressive will automatically engage the aggressor?
I do. Zero!
And as soon as somebody found out, it made the rounds. There was no mentioning of this. No where. At first nobody knew it, except for those who did it. Then message spread across. It even reached the forums. There's no way to force everybody to read the forums and there was no global message provided by CCP about this.
We can argue that CCP could have worked around this ... absolutely. They could have simply included it into the game mechanics. Made it official. Mission runners would have adapted. But this didn't happen. It didn't happen, because those who absued the mechanic didn't help making it happen. They were too busy abusing it for their own good, instead of thinking about the greater good behind it. If people would have kept low and rather tried to get the point across to CCP, then this thread wouldn't have happened.
Then ... hahahahaha ... this would be a carebear thread! :D A carebear, whining about how he died to some suspect, unknowing that his drones would aggress!
Didn't happen ... blame yourself. EVE ONLINE: The universe is ours!- Join the Epic Boo Bees! (RP,PvE/PvP,wardecs,new players!)You're at it from day 0! |
Thats OK
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2014.01.28 07:37:00 -
[57] - Quote
Nice change, and a needed one. The exploit never happened to me but i heard it was a real nasty one. |
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
2617
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Posted - 2014.01.28 07:42:00 -
[58] - Quote
Angelica Dreamstar wrote:Then ... hahahahaha ... this would be a carebear thread! :D A carebear, whining about how he died to some suspect, unknowing that his drones would aggress!
Didn't happen ... blame yourself. What am I blaming myself for exactly?
Oh god. |
Angelica Dreamstar
Epic Boo Bees
373
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Posted - 2014.01.28 07:46:00 -
[59] - Quote
Riot Girl wrote:Angelica Dreamstar wrote:Then ... hahahahaha ... this would be a carebear thread! :D A carebear, whining about how he died to some suspect, unknowing that his drones would aggress!
Didn't happen ... blame yourself. What am I blaming myself for exactly? Ah ... I'm tired. Haven't slept this night. "yourself" in this case is many of those who whine about it being removed. The people who abused it. EVE ONLINE: The universe is ours!- Join the Epic Boo Bees! (RP,PvE/PvP,wardecs,new players!)You're at it from day 0! |
Kryptik Kai
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
7658
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Posted - 2014.01.28 07:56:00 -
[60] - Quote
Honestly... HTFU already. There are still ways to pick fights with HS mission runners.
Or hell.. you could pick fights with mission runners in low/null...
"Shiny.-á Lets be bad guys." -Jayne Cobb |
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Angelica Dreamstar
Epic Boo Bees
373
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Posted - 2014.01.28 07:59:00 -
[61] - Quote
Kryptik Kai wrote:Honestly... HTFU already. There are still ways to pick fights with HS mission runners. Or hell.. you could pick fights with mission runners in low/null... Honest question.
Aren't there lowsec people doing this already? EVE ONLINE: The universe is ours!- Join the Epic Boo Bees! (RP,PvE/PvP,wardecs,new players!)You're at it from day 0! |
Kryptik Kai
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
7658
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Posted - 2014.01.28 08:03:00 -
[62] - Quote
Im not entirely sure what you're asking but... SURE! ;)
Improvise, adapt, and overcome. Just don't cry on the forums when a game mechanic changes. "Shiny.-á Lets be bad guys." -Jayne Cobb |
Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
1526
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Posted - 2014.01.28 08:11:00 -
[63] - Quote
Riot Girl wrote:Asia Leigh wrote:Nevyn Auscent wrote:How is this a nail? I mean seriously. Before Rubicon you never could do this. CCP's intent is that they have to press a button to start a limited engagement. I have no issues with that, it brings drones in line with every other weapons system, rather than drones having aberrant behaviour with the MTU's & other deployable's. You can still steal their loot, suspect bait them then bump them while yellow to try and taunt them into shooting like you had to before Rubicon.
So yea, HTFU Pirates, this one isn't a slow boil. ^^^ This ^^^ They inadvertently gave you an easy button, and they nerfed it. I see no issues here. You still have all the tools you had before the deployables were introduced in November. OP really needs to stop whining >.> That's not the point. The point is, they added a new tool and now they're taking it away and taking content away with it. This contradicts the design philosophy many players expect of CCP. Welcome to my world... pretty much everything they added in 2003 in terms of decent pvp has been taken away... HTFU... |
Angelica Dreamstar
Epic Boo Bees
373
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Posted - 2014.01.28 08:15:00 -
[64] - Quote
Angelica Dreamstar wrote:Kryptik Kai wrote:Honestly... HTFU already. There are still ways to pick fights with HS mission runners. Or hell.. you could pick fights with mission runners in low/null... Honest question. Aren't there lowsec people doing this already?
Kryptik Kai wrote:Im not entirely sure what you're asking but... SURE! ;)
Improvise, adapt, and overcome. Just don't cry on the forums when a game mechanic changes. As you obviously know that there are mission runners in lowsec, I thought you also might know if people of lowsec hunted these mission runners already, thus leaving no room for highseccers. There aren't that many mission runners in lowsec to begin with, as you probably know.
Your response post confuses me. It's as if you had no idea what you were saying. EVE ONLINE: The universe is ours!- Join the Epic Boo Bees! (RP,PvE/PvP,wardecs,new players!)You're at it from day 0! |
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
2618
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Posted - 2014.01.28 08:24:00 -
[65] - Quote
Infinity Ziona wrote:Welcome to my world... pretty much everything they added in 2003 in terms of decent pvp has been taken away... HTFU... What's been taken away? Mines?
Oh god. |
Kryptik Kai
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
7660
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Posted - 2014.01.28 08:32:00 -
[66] - Quote
Angelica Dreamstar wrote:Angelica Dreamstar wrote:Kryptik Kai wrote:Honestly... HTFU already. There are still ways to pick fights with HS mission runners. Or hell.. you could pick fights with mission runners in low/null... Honest question. Aren't there lowsec people doing this already? Kryptik Kai wrote:Im not entirely sure what you're asking but... SURE! ;)
Improvise, adapt, and overcome. Just don't cry on the forums when a game mechanic changes. As you obviously know that there are mission runners in lowsec, I thought you also might know if people of lowsec hunted these mission runners already, thus leaving no room for highseccers. There aren't that many mission runners in lowsec to begin with, as you probably know. Your response post confuses me. It's as if you had no idea what you were saying. The coffee is not yet flowing in my blood, so yeah my brain isn't particularly functional.
Yeah, there are people trying to gank low sec mission runners already. This just means the HS gankers have LS mission runners AND LS gankers to choose from as targets!
And the adapt/overcome thing wasn't directed at you. "Shiny.-á Lets be bad guys." -Jayne Cobb |
Angelica Dreamstar
Epic Boo Bees
373
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Posted - 2014.01.28 08:36:00 -
[67] - Quote
Kryptik Kai wrote:The coffee is not yet flowing in my blood, so yeah my brain isn't particularly functional. Coffee. Ohhh that'd be great. I haven't slept. Coffee! That'd be so bad! I haven't slept! -.-
Quote:Yeah, there are people trying to gank low sec mission runners already. This just means the HS gankers have LS mission runners AND LS gankers to choose from as targets! Besides the highseccers not wanting to deal with lowseccers ...
... where are these mission runners? How many ? Are we talking one per constellation ... or even less? OR MORE ??? O_O EVE ONLINE: The universe is ours!- Join the Epic Boo Bees! (RP,PvE/PvP,wardecs,new players!)You're at it from day 0! |
Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
194
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Posted - 2014.01.28 08:38:00 -
[68] - Quote
Angelica Dreamstar wrote:As you obviously know that there are mission runners in lowsec, I thought you also might know if people of lowsec hunted these mission runners already, thus leaving no room for highseccers. There aren't that many mission runners in lowsec to begin with, as you probably know.
Your response post confuses me. It's as if you had no idea what you were saying.
There's still plenty of room for highsec pvpers to hunt mission runners in lowsec.
In the factional warfare systems there are very few mission runners (some explorers though) but outside the FW systems there are a lot of opportunities to scan down both mission runners and explorers. Many of them are switched on to the dangers though, so it takes work to get them.
The easiest ones to hit tend to be in systems with a highsec connection as it seems highsec mission runners end up in these systems and they aren't as switched on to their own safety and/or they try to run an anomaly in lowsec. They would be quite easy to target for highsec pvpers as they are adjacent to highsec anyway. |
Victor Andall
Complexes and Abaddons
59
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Posted - 2014.01.28 08:40:00 -
[69] - Quote
So let me get the timeline of this thing correctly...
Pre-Rubicon: No way to bait drone aggro into engagement. Rubicon 1.0: A way to bait drone aggro into engagement for 2-3 months Rubicon 1.1: Again no way to bait drone aggro into engagement.
So right back to pre-Rubicon.
A downward slope only applies if there wasn't a climb before it, OP. I just undocked for the first time and someone challenged me to a duel. Wat do?
http://andallcombat.wordpress.com/current-tournament/ |
Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
2460
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Posted - 2014.01.28 08:41:00 -
[70] - Quote
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:Well its clear CCP has given up the ghost on the HTFU core that made EvE great, as well as documented in detail here they are now doubling-down on Disneyland with the next patch that has a little more nerfing for the little carebears of hisec buried in the patch notes... Evidently shooting at mobile tractor units owned by a bear with drones out in aggressive mode will *no longer* cause his drones to attack the agressor. " Drones that are set to aggressive will no longer perform automatic actions against a target if those actions would trigger a new Limited Engagement, unless explicitly instructed to engage that target." Why? Because gosh no you cant expect the little bears to use their brains and the right drone setting, they must be bubble wrapped to prevent an inventive pirate from getting a limited agression on them while they are farming mission sites. I am really getting disgusted with this water-torture drip of hisec nerfs that keep coming and make it abundantly clear CCP has lost the plot. With each one of these it becomes clear they care more about aquiring WoW reject subs, than retaining mine. F So to be clear, what you want is to keep ways of forcing a player into a limited engagement they did not want by tricking their drone AI? It's dumb that it ever was a feature in the first place, since it means you either have to manually serve up every target to your drones or risk them getting you into an LE. They either need to change the setting like this, or add a third setting that is to do exactly this while leaving the aggressive one in, and setting the third setting to default.
It seems pretty hypocritical to bang on about how the "bears" are going to have it too easy, while you want to be able to force people that are totally unable to fight you into a fight. Just go out ganking like everyone else.
The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. |
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Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
1528
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Posted - 2014.01.28 08:41:00 -
[71] - Quote
Riot Girl wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote:Welcome to my world... pretty much everything they added in 2003 in terms of decent pvp has been taken away... HTFU... What's been taken away? Mines? Solo in anything medium to large is dead unless you like dying non-stop or only engaging pve ships. Small gang is almost dead unless you like dying a lot or flying small ****** ships. Warp to 0 means no more catching people. Battleships nerfed to complete garbage for anything but fleet fights. Null sec convoys vanished replaced by insta travel jump drives and bridges. Stations and POS in every null sec system means everyone has a place to hide before you load local up.
Its a long list... the game which was promised to be harsh and mean has been carebearified to hell... which is why you're here whining you can't kill defenseless mission runners by shooting their MTU's and exploiting a likely unintended feature, instead of out in low sec or null sec like I used to be hunting the same sorts of ships with a decent chance of success.
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Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
2618
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Posted - 2014.01.28 08:46:00 -
[72] - Quote
Infinity Ziona wrote:which is why you're here whining you can't kill defenseless mission runners by shooting their MTU's and exploiting a likely unintended feature, instead of out in low sec or null sec like I used to be hunting the same sorts of ships with a decent chance of success. I've never shot an MTU.
Oh god. |
KnowUsByTheDead
Radiation Blues
952
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Posted - 2014.01.28 08:57:00 -
[73] - Quote
Angelica Dreamstar wrote:KnowUsByTheDead wrote:This is horseshit.
Yet another nail in the coffin that is being prepped for high security piracy.
vOv
::CCP:: Blame yourself. And the others.
I would, Angelica, however I do not mission bait. Doesn't mean I cannot be sad for those I know who do. And they will abide, as they did before. Most will use the same tactics they used before, and all will be well. It'll suck not seeing LOL mails posted, but that is life.
Hubris and e-peen stroking is what caused this to be changed. Too many laughs, too many tears, and too many hits against too many high value targets. Tbh, CCP should be happy that it exists. Because the 5-10 PLEX that the player bought for that that 1-5bil isk mission ship (or more) is simply money in CCP's pocket, because both you and I know that the loot fairy sucks at times, and we know why that is. Isk sink, plain and simple.
Also does not change the fact that it was a viable mechanic, that CCP acknowledged as a viable mechanic. Drones, while a weapon system, are the only weapon system to feature a passive and aggressive toggle. But rather than changing the drone UI, and how it works, like players have asked for years, they change one small little thing, that quite frankly, played right into the mythos that CCP is trying to create via it's newfound "The Empires Are Losing Control/Empire Vs. CONCORD" lore. If we, as capsuleers, are becoming the controlling entity in New Eden as CCP advertises, would logic not dictate that mechanics such as these should be commonplace?
And most importantly, this was not the first nerf to HS piracy. Hulkageddon, a player created event that a great many took part in, is a relic of the past. Barge buffs made sure of that. Before, you have to choose...isk per hour vs. safety. Risk vs. Reward. The core nature of the game itself. In a game which the developers promote (to the point of ignoring their own EULA), player created content. Sure, MB rose up to replace that, but it is not quite what it used to be. It is a mainstay now. Not a once a year bloodbath.
I mean, let's be honest, during those events, how much press coverage did CCP reap at the expense of those of us who would participate? All due respect to James and Co., but because it has become a permanent profession, it is no longer viable as press coverage...Press coverage, which in turn increases sub numbers. Does curb botting, and afking, though. So that is a plus. But for how long?
Or how about Crimewatch in general? Now, I could see becoming suspect to the corp you stole/baited/whatever from. Even an NPC corp, to be quite honest. At any given time, in numerous NPC channels, there are on average 200+ in the channel. But to become suspect to the entire community? You did not steal/bait/whatever from the entire community. And again, with we supposed demi-gods becoming the controlling power in the universe, what logic does it serve?
Or how about taking player choice/mistakes out of the equation? A green safety takes that away. In my early days I had to learn the hard way that if you shot someone in HS, you were CONCORDED. We didn't have a little green button that kept us from learning from our mistakes. No, instead, we were told to HTFU. Which in turn caused those of us who learned the hard lessons to HTFU, and keep that message alive.
And, most importantly, it begs the question..."What's Next?" Make no mistake, I could care less about the MTU, or the OP's tears over losing a viable, albeit cheap, tactic. Is what it is. I am more concerned about a playstyle many people enjoy.
What happens if war-dec's go away?
What happens when a player can no longer shoot corp members, destroying awoxing?
What happens when shares are removed from the game, preventing heists and hostile takeovers?
What happens when ganking becomes "too much for high sec to bear?"
What happens when all PvP is forbidden in high-sec, essentially Trammel-izing EvE, a game that at it's core, is about PvP?
What happens when the common EvE adage of "When you undock, you consent to PvP" becomes a long forgotten memory?
Where does it end? And is it, or is it not, counter-intuitive to the story/lore/mythos that CCP themselves are trying to sell with their 3-5 year "vision?" If anything, HS piracy should be getting buffed to serve that mythos. Because the nerfing playstyles only takes the player created content out of the picture...like Hulkageddon.
So, by all means, tell me...where does it end?
That, is the real question.
Once you realize what a joke everything is, being the comedian is the only thing that makes sense. -á-á-á-á-á-á-á |
Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
194
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Posted - 2014.01.28 09:11:00 -
[74] - Quote
Angelica Dreamstar wrote:Besides the highseccers not wanting to deal with lowseccers ...
It's a pity. There's just as many skilled pvpers in highsec as there are in lowsec and nullsec, the main difference I have found is not in the skill level but in the style of the pvp.
It wouldn't take long at all for a regular highsec pvper to adjust to a different style if they chose to go to lowsec or nullsec. Similarly, a nullsec or lowsec dweller who decided to go to highsec for some pvp would also have to go through a similar adjustment. All areas have quality pvpers, but I think it is rare to find someone who is equally comfortable in null, low and highsec as they all have their peculiarities.
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Xen Solarus
Inner 5phere
833
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Posted - 2014.01.28 10:03:00 -
[75] - Quote
Your tears are delicious OP. Don't agree with any of your points, improvements in EvE that attract more players are always welcome. If that means we lose your sub cause you can't handle change, then so be it. You can expect EvE to continue to change, expand and evolve, so anyone that can't handle it shouldn't be playing anyway. EvE is designed to appeal to everyone's playstyle, it doesn't conform to any specific viewpoint. The game is what you make of it.
And all of this, because they stopped one method in which you can gank defenceless targets? There is no end to the whining of the gank-bears. They already play EvE on easymode, what else do they want served to them on a silver plate? I suggest you express your opinions of highsec players in the time honoured EvE fashion, by exploding them!
Not that you would actually unsub. People only mean that if they give away their stuff...... Post with your main, like a BOSS! |
Janeway84
Aliastra Gallente Federation
74
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Posted - 2014.01.28 10:08:00 -
[76] - Quote
Can't you still can flip wrecks in the mission to get the mission runners attention? Im a bit sad i never got around to trying mission bait myself since i heard it was so easy with the MTU |
Kimmi Chan
Tastes Like Purple
851
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Posted - 2014.01.28 10:12:00 -
[77] - Quote
Janeway84 wrote:Can't you still can flip wrecks in the mission to get the mission runners attention? Im a bit sad i never got around to trying mission bait myself since i heard it was so easy with the MTU
Yes you can still can flip to bait mission runners.
The OP is pissed off because after the patch the drones won't automatically begin the LE - allowing the mission runner to make the choice- take the bait or, you know, not.
"You should just create one thread and put all of your complaints in it instead of littering the forums with multiple threads." ~CCP Falcon
[Member of The BrownCoat Syndicate] |
Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4471
|
Posted - 2014.01.28 10:24:00 -
[78] - Quote
KnowUsByTheDead wrote:because both you and I know that the loot fairy sucks at times, and we know why that is. Isk sink, plain and simple.
I guess it's safe to assume that the rest of your post is inaccurate. This post was lovingly crafted by a member of the Goonwaffe Posting Cabal |
seth Hendar
I love you miners
402
|
Posted - 2014.01.28 10:34:00 -
[79] - Quote
Nariya Kentaya wrote:Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:Well its clear CCP has given up the ghost on the HTFU core that made EvE great, as well as documented in detail here they are now doubling-down on Disneyland with the next patch that has a little more nerfing for the little carebears of hisec buried in the patch notes... Evidently shooting at mobile tractor units owned by a bear with drones out in aggressive mode will *no longer* cause his drones to attack the agressor. " Drones that are set to aggressive will no longer perform automatic actions against a target if those actions would trigger a new Limited Engagement, unless explicitly instructed to engage that target." Why? Because gosh no you cant expect the little bears to use their brains and the right drone setting, they must be bubble wrapped to prevent an inventive pirate from getting a limited agression on them while they are farming mission sites. I am really getting disgusted with this water-torture drip of hisec nerfs that keep coming and make it abundantly clear CCP has lost the plot. With each one of these it becomes clear they care more about aquiring WoW reject subs, than retaining mine. F waah waah, so much whine, Droens are a weapon system, when under green-flag in Crimewatch, it is SUPPOSED to not be possible to start limited engagements, drones circumvented that mechanic. sorry that your easy-kill button is now working under game mechanics as they were implied to work. (and no, i dont use drones, hate them for everything, but the people whining about why drones should circumvent crimewatch safety settings need to learn to find real kills instead of sitting aroudn waiting for stupid noobs with loot pinatas) then set the drones to passive only and automaticaly when safety is set to green.
ho, yeah, in the mean time, this would also prevent AFK missioning, maybe that's why they create yet another "exception"..... |
KnowUsByTheDead
Radiation Blues
954
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Posted - 2014.01.28 10:37:00 -
[80] - Quote
Mallak Azaria wrote:KnowUsByTheDead wrote:because both you and I know that the loot fairy sucks at times, and we know why that is. Isk sink, plain and simple.
I guess it's safe to assume that the rest of your post is inaccurate.
Why's that? Because you believe it is safe to assume that a random dice roll to see whether you get loot, is not a mechanic put into place to specifically remove isk from the game? Hence, Isk sink.
C'mon, huh.
Once you realize what a joke everything is, being the comedian is the only thing that makes sense. -á-á-á-á-á-á-á |
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seth Hendar
I love you miners
402
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Posted - 2014.01.28 10:39:00 -
[81] - Quote
Mara Rinn wrote:Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:I am really getting disgusted with this water-torture drip of hisec nerfs that keep coming and make it abundantly clear CCP has lost the plot. With each one of these it becomes clear they care more about aquiring WoW reject subs, than retaining mine. Can you describe the scenarios that existed before the MTU was introduced that enabled you to trick aggressive drones into shooting you without the operator's direct instructions to do so? As a comparison, can you describe a scenario in which you can trick a mission runner's turret or missile systems to shooting you without the operator's direct instructions to do so? I'm just trying to educate myself on this topic. Thanks for your help! yes, and it still exist, activate a killright on him, then shoot him, you won't take concord, and his drone WILL agress you, even if his safety is green..... |
Karak Bol
Low-Sec Survival Ltd.
167
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Posted - 2014.01.28 10:44:00 -
[82] - Quote
KnowUsByTheDead wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:KnowUsByTheDead wrote:because both you and I know that the loot fairy sucks at times, and we know why that is. Isk sink, plain and simple.
I guess it's safe to assume that the rest of your post is inaccurate. Why's that? Because you believe it is safe to assume that a random dice roll to see whether you get loot, is not a mechanic put into place to specifically remove isk from the game? Hence, Isk sink.C'mon, huh.
Thats not an ISK sink, thats more of a mineral/module sink. (except wormhole Blueloot and similar "sell to NPC" stuff) Please stop making a fool of yourself. |
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
220
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Posted - 2014.01.28 10:44:00 -
[83] - Quote
Kimmi Chan wrote:Janeway84 wrote:Can't you still can flip wrecks in the mission to get the mission runners attention? Im a bit sad i never got around to trying mission bait myself since i heard it was so easy with the MTU Yes you can still can flip to bait mission runners. The OP is pissed off because after the patch the drones won't automatically begin the LE - allowing the mission runner to make the choice- take the bait or, you know, not.
The exploit was a bit too easy.
- work out who is running missions that have NPCs using ECM/track disrupt (easy enough as every mission has "signature" LCOs and specific NPC deployment patterns) - wait till the relevant NPCs are close enough to disrupt tracking and shoot the MTU
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Bertrand Butler
Cras es Noster
153
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Posted - 2014.01.28 10:47:00 -
[84] - Quote
First of all, reverse tears are always delicious.
Having said that, I will have to agree with what Riot Girl said here. I have not witnessed the mechanic myself, but I remember reading an article by Marlona Sky some days ago, and agreeing with its conclusion.
The MTU+drone thing added a good chunk of player generated content and interaction, while also giving the opportunity for some very nice possibilities for PvP if it persisted - like pirate baiting for example. It also helped missioners become more engaged and conscious of their surroundings, using their drones actively instead of ascribing to a semi-passive farming mentality.
Its a mechanic that will be missed. |
Billy McCandless
The McCandless Clan Turing Tested
122
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Posted - 2014.01.28 10:50:00 -
[85] - Quote
Hmm
Why cant guns be set to aggressive and autoshoot any suspects near me?
Oh wait, because that would be bot aspirant behaviour
Hmm
I wonder if I can have my cake AND eat it? |
Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
195
|
Posted - 2014.01.28 10:52:00 -
[86] - Quote
Billy McCandless wrote:Hmm
Why cant guns be set to aggressive and autoshoot any suspects near me?
Oh wait, because that would be bot aspirant behaviour
Hmm
I wonder if I can have my cake AND eat it?
Hey Billy, how long before Ramona is unbanneded? |
Si1viu
Aliastra Gallente Federation
13
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Posted - 2014.01.28 10:55:00 -
[87] - Quote
Tears from high sec griefers? That worth all money. CCP cleaned many of his sins with this |
Billy McCandless
The McCandless Clan Turing Tested
122
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Posted - 2014.01.28 10:55:00 -
[88] - Quote
Scipio Artelius wrote:
Hey Billy, how long before Ramona is unbanneded?
Unrelated Quiz
How LONG can a woodchuck chuck for if woodchucking is chucking brilliantt?
a) Two weeks
b) 3 Months
c) Permanently
d) I'm not aspposed to talk about Banclub |
Christine Peeveepeeski
Mostly Harmful Pirate Corp Black Core Alliance
481
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Posted - 2014.01.28 10:56:00 -
[89] - Quote
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:Well its clear CCP has given up the ghost on the HTFU core that made EvE great, as well as documented in detail here they are now doubling-down on Disneyland with the next patch that has a little more nerfing for the little carebears of hisec buried in the patch notes... Evidently shooting at mobile tractor units owned by a bear with drones out in aggressive mode will *no longer* cause his drones to attack the agressor. " Drones that are set to aggressive will no longer perform automatic actions against a target if those actions would trigger a new Limited Engagement, unless explicitly instructed to engage that target." Why? Because gosh no you cant expect the little bears to use their brains and the right drone setting, they must be bubble wrapped to prevent an inventive pirate from getting a limited agression on them while they are farming mission sites. I am really getting disgusted with this water-torture drip of hisec nerfs that keep coming and make it abundantly clear CCP has lost the plot. With each one of these it becomes clear they care more about aquiring WoW reject subs, than retaining mine. F
What, you mean fixing the drone weapon system so it acted like the safety settings mentioned is something you didn't expect to happen?
See this is why you get your kicks shooting people that never realised the safety setting didn't extend to agressive setting drones. Hell, I didn't till I heard of a lolgangk and I've been playing for a while now.
the mechanic was funny but unintended. Get over it and move on to your next low risk pvp escapade.
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Kimmi Chan
Tastes Like Purple
852
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Posted - 2014.01.28 10:58:00 -
[90] - Quote
KnowUsByTheDead wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:KnowUsByTheDead wrote:because both you and I know that the loot fairy sucks at times, and we know why that is. Isk sink, plain and simple.
I guess it's safe to assume that the rest of your post is inaccurate. Why's that? Because you believe it is safe to assume that a random dice roll to see whether you get loot, is not a mechanic put into place to specifically remove isk from the game? Hence, Isk sink.C'mon, huh.
Sorry brother loot is not an ISK faucet. You either sell the loot for ISK already in the economy or reprocess it and sell the minerals for ISK already in the economy. As it is not a faucet a lack of it can not be a sink.
"You should just create one thread and put all of your complaints in it instead of littering the forums with multiple threads." ~CCP Falcon
[Member of The BrownCoat Syndicate] |
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Billy McCandless
The McCandless Clan Turing Tested
122
|
Posted - 2014.01.28 11:03:00 -
[91] - Quote
Christine Peeveepeeski wrote: What, you mean fixing the drone weapon system so it acted like the safety settings mentioned is something you didn't expect to happen?
+1.
Christine Peeveepeeski wrote:See this is why you get your kicks shooting people that never realised the safety setting didn't extend to agressive setting drones. .
-1. Safety should be green if you are following all required Standards and Practices for safe mining
Christine Peeveepeeski wrote:Get over it and move on to your next low risk pvp escapade.
-/+ D6. If the "defenseless" gankees operated in accordance with the afore mentioned Standards and Practices then the pvp escapades would become higher risk. Would the gankers be expected to move on then? |
KnowUsByTheDead
Radiation Blues
955
|
Posted - 2014.01.28 11:07:00 -
[92] - Quote
Kimmi Chan wrote:KnowUsByTheDead wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:KnowUsByTheDead wrote:because both you and I know that the loot fairy sucks at times, and we know why that is. Isk sink, plain and simple.
I guess it's safe to assume that the rest of your post is inaccurate. Why's that? Because you believe it is safe to assume that a random dice roll to see whether you get loot, is not a mechanic put into place to specifically remove isk from the game? Hence, Isk sink.C'mon, huh. Sorry brother loot is not an ISK faucet. You either sell the loot for ISK already in the economy or reprocess it and sell the minerals for ISK already in the economy. As it is not a faucet a lack of it can not be a sink.
Fair enough. I will admit when I am wrong. Also a little inebriated, lol.
That is the problem when people selective quote, though. However, the question remains the same.
When does the nerfing stop?
Does it stop with completely safe-sec?
Or does it just balance itself over time?
All MTU crap aside. Because aside from the market, I am not sure I have even seen one of those things. Like ever. Once you realize what a joke everything is, being the comedian is the only thing that makes sense. -á-á-á-á-á-á-á |
Altrue
Exploration Frontier inc Brave Collective
947
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Posted - 2014.01.28 11:07:00 -
[93] - Quote
Frostys Virpio wrote:
If they didn't want drones to behave that way, they should of just removed the aggressive setting of drones.
Drones shouldn't be agressive by default, and passive setting should persist if you select it. I agree that they could have kept the mechanic by changed the default settings and their persistance.
Still, it was exploiting poorly designed game mechanics so I understand why they did that. You have to admit that for the average Eve player (carebear or not), a deployable structure is not a part of your ship, and drones shouldn't consider it so. Just like they wouldn't react to a jetisson or something like that.
Signature Tanking - Best Tanking. |
Helia Tranquilis
State War Academy Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2014.01.28 11:09:00 -
[94] - Quote
Griefer tears - best tears
How about you hisec heroes HTFU and go back to manual baiting. |
Seven Koskanaiken
Sons Of Saints Circle-Of-Two
764
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Posted - 2014.01.28 11:09:00 -
[95] - Quote
I've lost a few ships to this when planing to jump a gate and GTFO after getting aggroed, and found the weapons timer on because my drones were still out. I never even thought to petition or get it changed.
For some reason when it happens to people a mission, they complain and CCP act.
Interesting... |
Esha Ditrix
Tiny Bubbles.
56
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Posted - 2014.01.28 11:14:00 -
[96] - Quote
the funny thing about this is that the drones actualy are dooing what they are supposed to do under the current crimewatch and drone mechanics, and people still call it exploiting...
i guess they understand game mechanics just as well as the wouldbe targets do... Its not an exploit, if the game lets you do it... |
Kimmi Chan
Tastes Like Purple
852
|
Posted - 2014.01.28 11:15:00 -
[97] - Quote
KnowUsByTheDead wrote:Fair enough. I will admit when I am wrong. Also a little inebriated, lol. That is the problem when people selective quote, though. However, the question remains the same. When does the nerfing stop? Does it stop with completely safe-sec? Or does it just balance itself over time? All MTU crap aside. Because aside from the market, I am not sure I have even seen one of those things. Like ever.
I have no idea. Never use the things because my ship has engines and I can scoop up loot and salvage myself without dropping a stupid vacuum cleaner in space. I also do not have drones set to aggressive because I don't trust drones any more than I trust the Gallente.
As far as this particular "nerf". it was initially a buff to HS PvP by enabling PvP enthusiasts to force a limited engagement on mission runners dumber than me (which is a lot). So I really don't see it as a nerf as much as a return to how things were pre-Rubicon but with a stupid "vacuum cleaner in space".
I do, however, agree with this:
Bertrand Butler wrote:First of all, reverse tears are always delicious. Having said that, I will have to agree with what Riot Girl said here. I have not witnessed the mechanic myself, but I remember reading an article by Marlona Sky some days ago, and agreeing with its conclusion. The MTU+drone thing added a good chunk of player generated content and interaction, while also giving the opportunity for some very nice possibilities for PvP if it persisted - like pirate baiting for example. It also helped missioners become more engaged and conscious of their surroundings, using their drones actively instead of ascribing to a semi-passive farming mentality. Its a mechanic that will be missed.
I think there does need to be more player interaction in HS. I also like the idea of using the device to bait the baiters and surprising the **** out of them. But again it was a buff to PvP before it was nerfed so zero sum etc. "You should just create one thread and put all of your complaints in it instead of littering the forums with multiple threads." ~CCP Falcon
[Member of The BrownCoat Syndicate] |
Nick Starkey
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
29
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Posted - 2014.01.28 11:17:00 -
[98] - Quote
Why can't the HTFU mentality apply to gankers as well? Also, it doesn't make any sense for drone settings not to extend to MTUs. They want actual pvp to happen (or at least coordinated ganks), not people getting baited by obscure mechanics that don't make any sense. |
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
220
|
Posted - 2014.01.28 11:17:00 -
[99] - Quote
Billy McCandless wrote:Hmm
Why cant guns be set to aggressive and autoshoot any suspects near me?
Oh wait, because that would be bot aspirant behaviour
Hmm
I wonder if I can have my cake AND eat it?
FoF missiles would have done the same thing, it is just they are rarely used unless you are disrupted.
I suspect the auto-targeting module would have locked the suspect as well, just not fired your turrets till you hit F1. Have not tested that out though. |
Christine Peeveepeeski
Mostly Harmful Pirate Corp Black Core Alliance
481
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Posted - 2014.01.28 11:27:00 -
[100] - Quote
Billy McCandless wrote:Christine Peeveepeeski wrote: What, you mean fixing the drone weapon system so it acted like the safety settings mentioned is something you didn't expect to happen?
+1. Christine Peeveepeeski wrote:See this is why you get your kicks shooting people that never realised the safety setting didn't extend to agressive setting drones. . -1. Safety should be green if you are following all required Standards and Practices for safe mining Christine Peeveepeeski wrote:Get over it and move on to your next low risk pvp escapade.
-/+ D6. If the "defenseless" gankees operated in accordance with the afore mentioned Standards and Practices then the pvp escapades would become higher risk. Would the gankers be expected to move on then?
I love the quote thing with scores and stuff. Just rolled an imaginary dice and scored a number, w00t came out positive :D
In answer to your question, I expect high sec gankers to do 2 things.
1: If they gank for no risk pvp lolz/tears then they'll rage on forums if the targets get assistance with anything. In fact I reckon if their was a tutorial to show n00bs how not to be ganked I think someone would still moan about it.
2: If they gank for profit they'll move on when it's no longer profitable and whine on the forums.
There is a pattern.
On a side note, I do not support the expectation complex many players have in high sec. I do however understand the irony that most of the people attacking that complex in fact have their own. |
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Billy McCandless
The McCandless Clan Turing Tested
123
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Posted - 2014.01.28 11:27:00 -
[101] - Quote
Hasikan Miallok wrote:
FoF missiles would have done the same thing, it is just they are rarely used unless you are disrupted. .
Hudson may be right |
Billy McCandless
The McCandless Clan Turing Tested
123
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Posted - 2014.01.28 11:31:00 -
[102] - Quote
Christine Peeveepeeski wrote:
I love the quote thing with scores and stuff. Just rolled an imaginary dice and scored a number, w00t came out positive :D
In answer to your question, I expect high sec gankers to do 2 things.
1: If they gank for no risk pvp lolz/tears then they'll rage on forums if the targets get assistance with anything. In fact I reckon if their was a tutorial to show n00bs how not to be ganked I think someone would still moan about it.
2: If they gank for profit they'll move on when it's no longer profitable and whine on the forums.
There is a pattern.
On a side note, I do not support the expectation complex many players have in high sec. I do however understand the irony that most of the people attacking that complex in fact have their own.
+D4+1
1. There probably is somewhere, though often "my isk/time efficency would be broken" is an excuse used to ignore health & safety at work codes.
2. This is true, though I am doubtful this applies to many, at least in regards to Mobile Toilet Units
Side note: This is also true. It may be a symptom of the human condition. |
KnowUsByTheDead
Radiation Blues
956
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Posted - 2014.01.28 11:33:00 -
[103] - Quote
Kimmi Chan wrote:I have no idea. Never use the things because my ship has engines and I can scoop up loot and salvage myself without dropping a stupid vacuum cleaner in space. I also do not have drones set to aggressive because I don't trust drones any more than I trust the Gallente. As far as this particular "nerf". it was initially a buff to HS PvP by enabling PvP enthusiasts to force a limited engagement on mission runners dumber than me (which is a lot). So I really don't see it as a nerf as much as a return to how things were pre-Rubicon but with a stupid "vacuum cleaner in space". I do, however, agree with this: Bertrand Butler wrote:First of all, reverse tears are always delicious. Having said that, I will have to agree with what Riot Girl said here. I have not witnessed the mechanic myself, but I remember reading an article by Marlona Sky some days ago, and agreeing with its conclusion. The MTU+drone thing added a good chunk of player generated content and interaction, while also giving the opportunity for some very nice possibilities for PvP if it persisted - like pirate baiting for example. It also helped missioners become more engaged and conscious of their surroundings, using their drones actively instead of ascribing to a semi-passive farming mentality. Its a mechanic that will be missed.
See, I can agree with this as well. Because It forces the baiter to either:
A - Fleet up, promoting social interaction in a MMO, which is important.
B - Fly with more risk, as anti-piracy could become yet another viable profession (Finally...)
As for the drones themselves, they are set to toggle that way, and to be quite honest, while aggressive should protect a player deployable of any kind, to not only promote PvP, but also to tie into the vibe of "capsuleer conquest" they have prepared for us in their "vision."
Because the way they have been marketing the game, it makes sense that all of space is a battleground...not just null-sec, and not just low-sec.
Once you realize what a joke everything is, being the comedian is the only thing that makes sense. -á-á-á-á-á-á-á |
Helia Tranquilis
State War Academy Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2014.01.28 11:36:00 -
[104] - Quote
Nick Starkey wrote:Why can't the HTFU mentality apply to gankers as well? Also, it doesn't make any sense for drone settings not to extend to MTUs. They want actual pvp easy kills to happen (or at least coordinated ganks), not people getting baited by obscure mechanics that don't make any sense. Fixed that for you.
Basically we see a griefer reaction similar to a child with their new favorite toy taken from their sandbox.
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Kimmi Chan
Tastes Like Purple
854
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Posted - 2014.01.28 11:42:00 -
[105] - Quote
KnowUsByTheDead wrote:See, I can agree with this as well. Because It forces the baiter to either:
A - Fleet up, promoting social interaction in a MMO, which is important.
B - Fly with more risk, as anti-piracy could become yet another viable profession (Finally...)
As for the drones themselves, they are set to toggle that way, and to be quite honest, while aggressive should protect a player deployable of any kind, to not only promote PvP, but also to tie into the vibe of "capsuleer conquest" they have prepared for us in their "vision."
Because the way they have been marketing the game, it makes sense that all of space is a battleground...not just null-sec, and not just low-sec.
This particular mechanic seemed to simply take advantage of peoples ignorance. While I agree that in the Age of Information ignorance is a choice, not everyone is reading pages of documentation about the game they're playing. There are literally volumes of it out there and the paying subscriber would rather play than read.
I truly believe that CCP's vision and even that which is keeping them profitable is a "broad base of appeal". Obviously, you can't make everyone happy (GD is proof of that), but striking that right balance so that the game offers a little bit for everyone is more important than HTFU.
"You should just create one thread and put all of your complaints in it instead of littering the forums with multiple threads." ~CCP Falcon
[Member of The BrownCoat Syndicate] |
Irya Boone
TIPIAKS
337
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Posted - 2014.01.28 11:44:00 -
[106] - Quote
well done CCP :)
I hope CCP will do everything possible To move Pirates and gankers out of High Sec
Next Step : Insta Concord in 0.5 , 0.6 etc etc 1 volley and Boom RENAME null sec systems With the name of REAL Universe Stellar Name like KOI-730 etc etc It will be awesome. Need Black Ops be able to FIT cover ops cloaking device !!! |
Kimmi Chan
Tastes Like Purple
854
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Posted - 2014.01.28 11:50:00 -
[107] - Quote
Irya Boone wrote:well done CCP :)
I hope CCP will do everything possible To move Pirates and gankers out of High Sec
Next Step : Insta Concord in 0.5 , 0.6 etc etc 1 volley and Boom
Kimmi Chan wrote:but striking that right balance so that the game offers a little bit for everyone is more important than HTFU.
You're not the only person playing this game.
"You should just create one thread and put all of your complaints in it instead of littering the forums with multiple threads." ~CCP Falcon
[Member of The BrownCoat Syndicate] |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy The ROC
2199
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Posted - 2014.01.28 11:51:00 -
[108] - Quote
Well, looks like afk/bot farming with drones now has the official stamp of approval. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á |
Billy McCandless
The McCandless Clan Turing Tested
123
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Posted - 2014.01.28 11:51:00 -
[109] - Quote
Irya Boone wrote:well done CCP :)
I hope CCP will do everything possible To move Pirates and gankers out of High Sec
Then they wouldn't be pirates.
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Arkon Olacar
Blue-Fire
264
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Posted - 2014.01.28 11:54:00 -
[110] - Quote
No one cares Warping to zero |
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy The ROC
2202
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Posted - 2014.01.28 11:57:00 -
[111] - Quote
Arkon Olacar wrote:No one cares
You cared enough to post. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á |
John Ratcliffe
Sarumans Hand
262
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Posted - 2014.01.28 11:57:00 -
[112] - Quote
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:Well its clear CCP has given up the ghost on the HTFU core that made EvE great, as well as documented in detail here they are now doubling-down on Disneyland with the next patch that has a little more nerfing for the little carebears of hisec buried in the patch notes... Evidently shooting at mobile tractor units owned by a bear with drones out in aggressive mode will *no longer* cause his drones to attack the agressor. " Drones that are set to aggressive will no longer perform automatic actions against a target if those actions would trigger a new Limited Engagement, unless explicitly instructed to engage that target." Why? Because gosh no you cant expect the little bears to use their brains and the right drone setting, they must be bubble wrapped to prevent an inventive pirate from getting a limited agression on them while they are farming mission sites. I am really getting disgusted with this water-torture drip of hisec nerfs that keep coming and make it abundantly clear CCP has lost the plot. With each one of these it becomes clear they care more about aquiring WoW reject subs, than retaining mine. F
Cry more FFS.
Can I have your stuff? Plus +ºa change, plus c'est la m+¬me chose |
Kimmi Chan
Tastes Like Purple
855
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Posted - 2014.01.28 11:58:00 -
[113] - Quote
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Well, looks like afk/bot farming with drones now has the official stamp of approval.
I too am concerned about this.
"You should just create one thread and put all of your complaints in it instead of littering the forums with multiple threads." ~CCP Falcon
[Member of The BrownCoat Syndicate] |
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
2618
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Posted - 2014.01.28 11:58:00 -
[114] - Quote
Irya Boone wrote:well done CCP :)
I hope CCP will do everything possible To move Pirates and gankers out of High Sec
Next Step : Insta Concord in 0.5 , 0.6 etc etc 1 volley and Boom
These are the people CCP wants to cater for.
Oh god. |
Butzewutze
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
31
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Posted - 2014.01.28 12:00:00 -
[115] - Quote
What most of you guys dont understand is that CCP gives a f()ck about your oppinion or those threads. Vote with your wallet. |
Kimmi Chan
Tastes Like Purple
855
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Posted - 2014.01.28 12:00:00 -
[116] - Quote
Riot Girl wrote:Irya Boone wrote:well done CCP :)
I hope CCP will do everything possible To move Pirates and gankers out of High Sec
Next Step : Insta Concord in 0.5 , 0.6 etc etc 1 volley and Boom These are the people CCP wants to cater for.
I like it when you're right Riot, but **** I really hope you're wrong.
"You should just create one thread and put all of your complaints in it instead of littering the forums with multiple threads." ~CCP Falcon
[Member of The BrownCoat Syndicate] |
KnowUsByTheDead
Radiation Blues
957
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Posted - 2014.01.28 12:06:00 -
[117] - Quote
Riot Girl wrote:Irya Boone wrote:well done CCP :)
I hope CCP will do everything possible To move Pirates and gankers out of High Sec
Next Step : Insta Concord in 0.5 , 0.6 etc etc 1 volley and Boom These are the people CCP wants to cater for.
I know, and it is a sad state of affairs.
We are all handed the same tools.
It is not the fault of the ganker that the individual miner did not choose to have a logi on field.
It is not the fault of the baiter that the missioneer did not have an Orca in system to reship and hunt down his suspect prey.
And it is not the fault of a group of pirates, working in sync, that whoever did not fleet up in a multiplayer game.
And so on and so forth...down the line.
Everything has a counter, for the most part.
Just a shame that it has become so divided that people choose not to see that.
Once you realize what a joke everything is, being the comedian is the only thing that makes sense. -á-á-á-á-á-á-á |
Billy McCandless
The McCandless Clan Turing Tested
124
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Posted - 2014.01.28 12:13:00 -
[118] - Quote
KnowUsByTheDead wrote: We are all handed the same tools.
It is not the fault of the ganker that the individual miner did not choose to have a logi on field.
It is not the fault of the baiter that the missioneer did not have an Orca in system to reship and hunt down his suspect prey.
And it is not the fault of a group of pirates, working in sync, that whoever did not fleet up in a multiplayer game.
Everything has a counter, for the most part.
Just a shame that it has become so divided that people choose not to see that.
Cannot agree strongly enough.
Every noob I introduce to this game gets the same sermon.
TESTIFY BROTHER |
Kimmi Chan
Tastes Like Purple
858
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Posted - 2014.01.28 12:27:00 -
[119] - Quote
Also KnowUsByTheDead, I would like to change my answer.
Purple does not taste like chicken. It tastes like BREAKFAST FOOD! "You should just create one thread and put all of your complaints in it instead of littering the forums with multiple threads." ~CCP Falcon
[Member of The BrownCoat Syndicate] |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
93822
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Posted - 2014.01.28 12:30:00 -
[120] - Quote
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:Well its clear CCP has given up the ghost on the HTFU core that made EvE great, as well as documented in detail here they are now doubling-down on Disneyland with the next patch that has a little more nerfing for the little carebears of hisec buried in the patch notes... Evidently shooting at mobile tractor units owned by a bear with drones out in aggressive mode will *no longer* cause his drones to attack the agressor. " Drones that are set to aggressive will no longer perform automatic actions against a target if those actions would trigger a new Limited Engagement, unless explicitly instructed to engage that target." Why? Because gosh no you cant expect the little bears to use their brains and the right drone setting, they must be bubble wrapped to prevent an inventive pirate from getting a limited agression on them while they are farming mission sites. I am really getting disgusted with this water-torture drip of hisec nerfs that keep coming and make it abundantly clear CCP has lost the plot. With each one of these it becomes clear they care more about aquiring WoW reject subs, than retaining mine. F
So.......CCP makes one itty-bitty small, insignificant tweek to prevent an accidental limited engagement.
And it's destroyed the game for you. Utterly apparently.
I'm gonna go check out those Orcs now that just burst through the EVE Gate.
Probably best you just find another game that suits your style.
If there isn't one, clam up, and get busy tearing a fiery path through High Sec to get your overabundant anger fix taken care of.
Sheesh. "He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."-á - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882 |
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Charlie Firpol
Noob Mercs Monkeys with Guns.
114
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Posted - 2014.01.28 12:33:00 -
[121] - Quote
Carmen Electra wrote:Tears from the "HTFU" crowd, best tears.
Oh god, this. So much this. |
Mayhaw Morgan
State War Academy Caldari State
204
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Posted - 2014.01.28 12:48:00 -
[122] - Quote
I'm not going to wade too deeply into the "logical" arguments in this thread, because I value my intelligence and my sanity and I believe both would be at risk if I did that. From what I have read, I gathered that some of you are having trouble understanding why the MTU "bug" was "nerfed". It seems pretty straight forward to me. (I could be wrong.) But rather than try to boil it down in words you all will understand and accept, I just drew you a picture.
Player vs. non-Player
If you shoot the red stuff, the drones can shoot BACK. If you shoot the blue stuff, the drones will have to shoot FIRST.
Now, which of the blue things do you think CCP should turn to red and why? |
Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
4491
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Posted - 2014.01.28 13:18:00 -
[123] - Quote
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:Well its clear CCP has given up the ghost on the HTFU core that made EvE great, as well as documented in detail here they are now doubling-down on Disneyland with the next patch that has a little more nerfing for the little carebears of hisec buried in the patch notes... Evidently shooting at mobile tractor units owned by a bear with drones out in aggressive mode will *no longer* cause his drones to attack the agressor. " Drones that are set to aggressive will no longer perform automatic actions against a target if those actions would trigger a new Limited Engagement, unless explicitly instructed to engage that target." Why? Because gosh no you cant expect the little bears to use their brains and the right drone setting, they must be bubble wrapped to prevent an inventive pirate from getting a limited agression on them while they are farming mission sites. I am really getting disgusted with this water-torture drip of hisec nerfs that keep coming and make it abundantly clear CCP has lost the plot. With each one of these it becomes clear they care more about aquiring WoW reject subs, than retaining mine. F
CCp coddles high sec because they know that high sec players can't deal with real EVE, so they give them EVE light.
This is why you find "incursions-lite" in high sec as well. Real incursions (in low and null) put Sansha NPCs on gates to gank unaware fools who try to pass through.
However somehow (magically) in high sec the same CONCORD and Empire Navies that are too weak to stop the incursion are still powerful enough to come out of nowhere to kill a capsuleer ship that aggresses someone else, and also strong enough to keep EVERY sansha NPC off the gates so freaking freighters on autopilot can pass through. CCP does this because they have no choice, many players don't have the spine to play EVE or any non-coddling video game. |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
9953
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Posted - 2014.01.28 13:22:00 -
[124] - Quote
As fun as it was I didn't see this feature lasting much longer. Bears simply cannot be expected to flip a switch on their drones to avoid this very easy to avoid situation. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
ZynnLee Akkori
Perkone Caldari State
58
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Posted - 2014.01.28 13:31:00 -
[125] - Quote
Doctor Ungabungas wrote:If you want to non-consentually kill mission runners, why not come out to NPC 0.0 where there are hundreds of mission runners waiting for people just like you! What??!! And actually be in danger of losing a fight to another player?! That would require a certain kind of honor that is missing entirely from the ganking repertoire. |
March rabbit
Federal Defense Union
1201
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Posted - 2014.01.28 13:36:00 -
[126] - Quote
so after 7 pages of thread what we do have here? 1) standard crap from 0.0 publords and wannabees "waaa, waaa. high-sec too safe!" 2) reasonable comments about topic supporting this fix
If you watch forums for some time you will see that these 2 groups are separated. And most of the time you don't need to look at post, you just look at poster and you know already what will he say.
And here is the question to OP: did you really need to make this useless thread? Wasn't lots of them around already? The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
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Charlie Firpol
Noob Mercs Monkeys with Guns.
115
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Posted - 2014.01.28 13:37:00 -
[127] - Quote
Highsec mission gankers dont miss honor. Noone in EVE has that. Highsec mission ganking is just another way to make ISK, just like miner ganking or bumping.
That said, if the rules change, you either change with them or you cry. This guy here is an awesomely entertaining version of a crying mission ganker. |
Liafcipe9000
Critically Preposterous
14334
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Posted - 2014.01.28 13:42:00 -
[128] - Quote
OP failed to HTFU. Frostys Virpio > CCP: Continously Crying Playerbase Felicity Love >... was thinking "moar popcorn"... but now, seeing the truly awesome contribution this thread is going to make to the Greater Glory Of EVE.... imagonnamakkadapizza....
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baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
9954
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Posted - 2014.01.28 13:50:00 -
[129] - Quote
March rabbit wrote:so after 7 pages of thread what we do have here? 1) standard crap from 0.0 publords and wannabees "waaa, waaa. high-sec too safe!" 2) reasonable comments about topic supporting this fix
If you watch forums for some time you will see that these 2 groups are separated. And most of the time you don't need to look at post, you just look at poster and you know already what will he say.
And here is the question to OP: did you really need to make this useless thread? Wasn't lots of them around already?
What was hard about avoiding this anyway?
Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
4492
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Posted - 2014.01.28 13:56:00 -
[130] - Quote
baltec1 wrote:March rabbit wrote:so after 7 pages of thread what we do have here? 1) standard crap from 0.0 publords and wannabees "waaa, waaa. high-sec too safe!" 2) reasonable comments about topic supporting this fix
If you watch forums for some time you will see that these 2 groups are separated. And most of the time you don't need to look at post, you just look at poster and you know already what will he say.
And here is the question to OP: did you really need to make this useless thread? Wasn't lots of them around already? What was hard about avoiding this anyway?
Anything requiring knowledge of the thing you are doing or a sense of personal responsibility is always too hard for some. Somehow I managed to mission my backside off in Lanngisi while avoiding this problem (because I read actual patch notes), but expecting others to do that is asking to much I guess.
The real sign of becoming a bittervet is when you realize you are mourning the inch by inch loss of the only real adult "thinking required" game that existed. |
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seth Hendar
I love you miners
403
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Posted - 2014.01.28 14:07:00 -
[131] - Quote
Jenn aSide wrote:baltec1 wrote:March rabbit wrote:so after 7 pages of thread what we do have here? 1) standard crap from 0.0 publords and wannabees "waaa, waaa. high-sec too safe!" 2) reasonable comments about topic supporting this fix
If you watch forums for some time you will see that these 2 groups are separated. And most of the time you don't need to look at post, you just look at poster and you know already what will he say.
And here is the question to OP: did you really need to make this useless thread? Wasn't lots of them around already? What was hard about avoiding this anyway? Anything requiring knowledge of the thing you are doing or a sense of personal responsibility is always too hard for some. Somehow I managed to mission my backside off in Lanngisi while avoiding this problem (because I read actual patch notes), but expecting others to do that is asking to much I guess. The real sign of becoming a bittervet is when you realize you are mourning the inch by inch loss of the only real adult "thinking required" game that existed. not long ago, the players within eve were the kind of ppl wondering WHY it is required for chainsaw manufacturers to display on their products" DON'T TRY TO STOP THE BLADE BY HAND", asking themselves who would think it would be a good idea to even think trying that.
now, they ASK CCP to actually put labels everywhere, like on the chainsaw, or a "may contain peanuts" on a jar of peanut butter....
pathetic....
we used to have a game with darwinism built in...used to... |
seth Hendar
I love you miners
403
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Posted - 2014.01.28 14:14:00 -
[132] - Quote
Kimmi Chan wrote: This particular mechanic seemed to simply take advantage of peoples ignorance. While I agree that in the Age of Information ignorance is a choice, not everyone is reading pages of documentation about the game they're playing.
there was a time where those ppl were laught at and explained where they failed.
and most of them would actually have balls, suck it up and took it as a lesson.
this is the best way to learn.
but now, eve is full of crybabies......
and in the event such things happen, daddy CCP will hugh you a change the game mechanic so you, little poor thing, can avoid to learn your ho so hard lesson on how the game works...... |
Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
4494
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Posted - 2014.01.28 14:17:00 -
[133] - Quote
seth Hendar wrote: not long ago, the players within eve were the kind of ppl wondering WHY it is required for chainsaw manufacturers to display on their products" DON'T TRY TO STOP THE BLADE BY HAND", asking themselves who would think it would be a good idea to even think trying that.
now, they ASK CCP to actually put labels everywhere, like on the chainsaw, or a "may contain peanuts" on a jar of peanut butter....
pathetic....
we used to have a game with darwinism built in...used to...
I'm with you brother. Like how now EVERY car commercial I see has these little disclaimers about "professional stunt person on a closed track, do not attempt" lol. Well duh.
It's like a cancer (pansy cancer) spreading everywhere, even into what was the most hard core MMO game I've ever played.
For example, If you'd told me in 2007 that one day my "thousands of years in the future, controlled by direct input from my BRAIN, faster than light capable star ship" would have a manual safety I'd have laughed you off the server.
Not laughing any more.
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Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
2138
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Posted - 2014.01.28 14:22:00 -
[134] - Quote
Jenn aSide wrote:seth Hendar wrote: not long ago, the players within eve were the kind of ppl wondering WHY it is required for chainsaw manufacturers to display on their products" DON'T TRY TO STOP THE BLADE BY HAND", asking themselves who would think it would be a good idea to even think trying that.
now, they ASK CCP to actually put labels everywhere, like on the chainsaw, or a "may contain peanuts" on a jar of peanut butter....
pathetic....
we used to have a game with darwinism built in...used to...
I'm with you brother. Like how now EVERY car commercial I see has these little disclaimers about "professional stunt person on a closed track, do not attempt" lol. Well duh. It's like a cancer (pansy cancer) spreading everywhere, even into what was the most hard core MMO game I've ever played. For example, If you'd told me in 2007 that one day my "thousands of years in the future, controlled by direct input from my BRAIN, faster than light capable star ship" would have a manual safety I'd have laughed you off the server. Not laughing any more.
Perhaps Eve is no longer for you. Clearly, you gain far more enjoyment bitching and whining about the game on the forums than playing.
I would recommend you shut down all your accounts, save one, and then you can ***** and moan all you like here, while saving yourself all the pain and suffering the game itself brings you. Most people viewed Orwell's writings as a warning. The harper regime and the goons treat them as a guidebook. |
Billy McCandless
The McCandless Clan Turing Tested
128
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Posted - 2014.01.28 14:24:00 -
[135] - Quote
March rabbit wrote: 1) standard crap from 0.0 publords and wannabees "waaa, waaa. high-sec too safe!" 2) reasonable comments about topic supporting this fix
If you watch forums for some time you will see that these 2 groups are separated. And most of the time you don't need to look at post, you just look at poster and you know already what will he say.
This is the most balanced and non-judgemental post I have ever read.
What it lacks in reactionary vitriol, it makes up for in a calm reading of the available facts, and is not tarnished by personal feelings the poster has towards anyone at all, and certainly his opinions are not coloured by knee-jerk reactions to the physical appearances of people's avatars.
Oh, look at me! I'm making people happy! I'm the Magical Man from Happy-Land, in a gumdrop house on Lollipop Lane!
Oh, by the way, I was being sarcastic. |
Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
4494
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Posted - 2014.01.28 14:25:00 -
[136] - Quote
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote: Perhaps Eve is no longer for you. Clearly, you gain far more enjoyment bitching and whining about the game on the forums than playing.
LOL
That's like the pot calling the kettle metallic.
Quote: I would recommend you shut down all your accounts, save one, and then you can ***** and moan all you like here, while saving yourself all the pain and suffering the game itself brings you.
Or, i can fight for the Restoration of EVE. I hear Malcanis decided to not run for CSM again...now there's an Idea.
I know I can count on your vote brother, right?
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Agondray
Avenger Mercenaries VOID Intergalactic Forces
20
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Posted - 2014.01.28 14:27:00 -
[137] - Quote
Oh no you cant use CONCORD to gank your precious mission runners now.
MoAr TeArS...I MUST HAVE MORE |
seth Hendar
I love you miners
407
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Posted - 2014.01.28 14:31:00 -
[138] - Quote
Jenn aSide wrote:seth Hendar wrote: not long ago, the players within eve were the kind of ppl wondering WHY it is required for chainsaw manufacturers to display on their products" DON'T TRY TO STOP THE BLADE BY HAND", asking themselves who would think it would be a good idea to even think trying that.
now, they ASK CCP to actually put labels everywhere, like on the chainsaw, or a "may contain peanuts" on a jar of peanut butter....
pathetic....
we used to have a game with darwinism built in...used to...
I'm with you brother. Like how now EVERY car commercial I see has these little disclaimers about "professional stunt person on a closed track, do not attempt" lol. Well duh. It's like a cancer (pansy cancer) spreading everywhere, even into what was the most hard core MMO game I've ever played. For example, If you'd told me in 2007 that one day my "thousands of years in the future, controlled by direct input from my BRAIN, faster than light capable star ship" would have a manual safety I'd have laughed you off the server. Not laughing any more. lucky me, i fly matar ships, only buttons i have are "faster forward", "fire" and "overheat ALL the things (but mostly the guns)" |
Billy McCandless
The McCandless Clan Turing Tested
129
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Posted - 2014.01.28 14:34:00 -
[139] - Quote
seth Hendar wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:seth Hendar wrote: not long ago, the players within eve were the kind of ppl wondering WHY it is required for chainsaw manufacturers to display on their products" DON'T TRY TO STOP THE BLADE BY HAND", asking themselves who would think it would be a good idea to even think trying that.
now, they ASK CCP to actually put labels everywhere, like on the chainsaw, or a "may contain peanuts" on a jar of peanut butter....
pathetic....
we used to have a game with darwinism built in...used to...
I'm with you brother. Like how now EVERY car commercial I see has these little disclaimers about "professional stunt person on a closed track, do not attempt" lol. Well duh. It's like a cancer (pansy cancer) spreading everywhere, even into what was the most hard core MMO game I've ever played. For example, If you'd told me in 2007 that one day my "thousands of years in the future, controlled by direct input from my BRAIN, faster than light capable star ship" would have a manual safety I'd have laughed you off the server. Not laughing any more. lucky me, i fly matar ships, only buttons i have are "faster forward", "fire" and "overheat ALL the things (but mostly the guns)"
I hav jest gott a Eybiss and it hav a butan tha say CYNO and hav feul what is give me bye mi mummy
and she say YOU GO CYNO now and then i haev to hit butn wiv mi hed |
Good Posting
Posting with my Mind
106
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Posted - 2014.01.28 14:36:00 -
[140] - Quote
oh noes |
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
15635
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Posted - 2014.01.28 14:39:00 -
[141] - Quote
Agondray wrote:Oh no you cant use CONCORD to gank your precious mission runners now.
MoAr TeArS...I MUST HAVE MORE You should try reading before commenting. They were shooting MTUs and then popping people whose drones were set to aggressive and automatically engaged them, thus inadvertently dropping the mission runner into a limited engagement.
Concord don't get involved in limited engagements.
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Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
451
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Posted - 2014.01.28 15:00:00 -
[142] - Quote
For me there is a simple question that can be applied to every change CCP proposes, that either validates its roots or rips them up in pursuit of WoW-reject subs....
"Does the proposed change increase opportunities for conflict, or reduce them?"
(Cold dark place, remember?)
So, does this bubble wrapping of drone aggression for the little carebears who already have a 'passive' drone setting at their disposal increase or reduce opportunities for conflict?
No, it reduces conflict, in such a blatant way contrasted with the existing 'passive' setting protections that it is clearly just yet another road sign on the road to nerfdom.
CCP has lost the plot. Would you like to know more? |
Good Posting
Posting with my Mind
106
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Posted - 2014.01.28 15:08:00 -
[143] - Quote
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:
(Cold dark place, remember?)
Yeah, a cold dark place where little brats whine all day. Don't make me laugh.
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Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
2138
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Posted - 2014.01.28 15:15:00 -
[144] - Quote
Jenn aSide wrote:Dinsdale Pirannha wrote: Perhaps Eve is no longer for you. Clearly, you gain far more enjoyment bitching and whining about the game on the forums than playing.
LOL That's like the pot calling the kettle metallic. Quote: I would recommend you shut down all your accounts, save one, and then you can ***** and moan all you like here, while saving yourself all the pain and suffering the game itself brings you.
Or, i can fight for the Restoration of EVE. I hear Malcanis decided to not run for CSM again...now there's an Idea. I know I can count on your vote brother, right?
Funnily enough, Malcanis asked me if I was considering running, and I was counting on you to run my campaign. Most people viewed Orwell's writings as a warning. The harper regime and the goons treat them as a guidebook. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy The ROC
2212
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Posted - 2014.01.28 15:18:00 -
[145] - Quote
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Dinsdale Pirannha wrote: Perhaps Eve is no longer for you. Clearly, you gain far more enjoyment bitching and whining about the game on the forums than playing.
LOL That's like the pot calling the kettle metallic. Quote: I would recommend you shut down all your accounts, save one, and then you can ***** and moan all you like here, while saving yourself all the pain and suffering the game itself brings you.
Or, i can fight for the Restoration of EVE. I hear Malcanis decided to not run for CSM again...now there's an Idea. I know I can count on your vote brother, right? Funnily enough, Malcanis asked me if I was considering running, and I was counting on you to run my campaign.
I did not know there was a Highsec Carebear Apologist Conspiracy Theory platform. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á |
Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
4498
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Posted - 2014.01.28 15:31:00 -
[146] - Quote
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Dinsdale Pirannha wrote: Perhaps Eve is no longer for you. Clearly, you gain far more enjoyment bitching and whining about the game on the forums than playing.
LOL That's like the pot calling the kettle metallic. Quote: I would recommend you shut down all your accounts, save one, and then you can ***** and moan all you like here, while saving yourself all the pain and suffering the game itself brings you.
Or, i can fight for the Restoration of EVE. I hear Malcanis decided to not run for CSM again...now there's an Idea. I know I can count on your vote brother, right? Funnily enough, Malcanis asked me if I was considering running, and I was counting on you to run my campaign.
I'd love to run your campaign (I had the phone bank set up to call New Order pilots for their support), but I can't , I got secret Nulluminati meetings scheduled for the next few months. On the agenda is how to use the Empire Navy LP we will be drowning in to buy up all the armor mods so as to kill high sec the armor incursion once and for all seeing as our manipulaton of CCP to change your paladin only hurt them but didn't kill them.
At the next meeting (we'll meet in I'll ask Mittani to assign you a Goon as chief of staff so you can get on the CSM.
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy The ROC
2214
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Posted - 2014.01.28 15:36:00 -
[147] - Quote
Jenn aSide wrote:Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Dinsdale Pirannha wrote: Perhaps Eve is no longer for you. Clearly, you gain far more enjoyment bitching and whining about the game on the forums than playing.
LOL That's like the pot calling the kettle metallic. Quote: I would recommend you shut down all your accounts, save one, and then you can ***** and moan all you like here, while saving yourself all the pain and suffering the game itself brings you.
Or, i can fight for the Restoration of EVE. I hear Malcanis decided to not run for CSM again...now there's an Idea. I know I can count on your vote brother, right? Funnily enough, Malcanis asked me if I was considering running, and I was counting on you to run my campaign. I'd love to run your campaign (I had the phone bank set up to call New Order pilots for their support), but I can't , I got secret Nulluminati meetings scheduled for the next few months. On the agenda is how to use the Empire Navy LP we will be drowning in to buy up all the armor mods so as to kill high sec the armor incursion once and for all seeing as our manipulaton of CCP to change your paladin only hurt them but didn't kill them. At the next meeting (we'll meet in I'll ask Mittani to assign you a Goon as chief of staff so you can get on the CSM.
Oh, please assign him Darius Johnson. I would want to see that campaign. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á |
Nova Satar
Rekall Incorporated The Marmite Collective
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Posted - 2014.01.28 15:43:00 -
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Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:For me there is a simple question that can be applied to every change CCP proposes, that either validates its roots or rips them up in pursuit of WoW-reject subs.... "Does the proposed change increase opportunities for conflict, or reduce them?" (Cold dark place, remember?) So, does this bubble wrapping of drone aggression for the little carebears who already have a 'passive' drone setting at their disposal increase or reduce opportunities for conflict? No, it reduces conflict, in such a blatant way contrasted with the existing 'passive' setting protections that it is clearly just yet another road sign on the road to nerfdom. CCP has lost the plot.
EVE used to be full of fun little mechanisms and methods to punish ignorance and stupidty, it was actually one of the poitns always used when reviewing the games and something loved by those inside and outside of eve. Long has that time now passed and we are just left with a game where everything is passive by default and designed to pander for those who do not wish to research mechanics or LEARN the game they play.
People used to joke about needing a safety button on their guns....
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admiral root
Red Galaxy Disband.
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Posted - 2014.01.28 15:55:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:I'd love to run your campaign (I had the phone bank set up to call New Order pilots for their support), but I can't , I got secret Nulluminati meetings scheduled for the next few months. On the agenda is how to use the Empire Navy LP we will be drowning in to buy up all the armor mods so as to kill high sec the armor incursion once and for all seeing as our manipulaton of CCP to change your paladin only hurt them but didn't kill them.
At the next meeting (we'll meet in I'll ask Mittani to assign you a Goon as chief of staff so you can get on the CSM.
Not enough likes in the world for this post. Dinsdale should totally run for the CSM just to see if he can beat the all-time low for votes, not to mention the fresh outpouring of bizarre conspiracy theories that will accompany his certain defeat. No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff |
Billy McCandless
The McCandless Clan Turing Tested
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Posted - 2014.01.28 15:59:00 -
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Nova Satar wrote:
People used to joke about needing a safety button on their guns....
wee teh peeple can not bee trussed to yuse the saefty butan proper
kan wee hav a PIN numbre or code on teh butan sow wee done turne it off bye aksident |
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
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Posted - 2014.01.28 16:34:00 -
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Billy McCandless wrote:Nova Satar wrote:
People used to joke about needing a safety button on their guns....
wee teh peeple can not bee trussed to yuse the saefty butan proper kan wee hav a PIN numbre or code on teh butan sow wee done turne it off bye aksident No, no, no. There should be an application process to turn the safety off, and it should be strictly regulated. The application process should be determined by whoever runs the Eve Uni application process, but as a starter
- The applicant must pay a non refundable fee of 2B isk before starting the process.
- The applicant must be able to provide good reason, in the form of an essay of no less than 2500 words, for the change to their personal safety switch settings.
- The applicant should be subject to a monthly psychological evaluation, at their own cost. Said evaluations to be carried out by a group of no less than 10 of the internet mental health professionals present on the forums.
- The applicant should hold their own public liability insurance to recompense any pilots that may be harmed due to their actions.
- The processing authority shall reserve the right to remove the ability to change safety settings at any time, for any reason, or just because they feel like it.
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Usagi Toshiro
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
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Posted - 2014.01.28 16:35:00 -
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Man, usually it's the carebears that whine when something is made "harder." Now we have a "not-bear" crying because they have to go back to their old mechanic of baiting and taunting?
It's like handing a gun to a guy on a killing spree because the knives he's using are too slow and then taking it back because it works too well, all the while saying "have fun pwning noobs."
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Priestess Lin
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.01.28 16:39:00 -
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Only idiots ever claimed it was an intended feature.
Carmen Electra wrote:Tears from the "HTFU" crowd, best tears.
so true |
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CCP Dolan
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2014.01.28 16:48:00 -
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Ok this thread has devolved pretty hard, so I'm gonna lock it.
The bottom line is that when we release features, sometimes they have unintended interactions with other features. Sometimes this adds depth to the game by creating a new interaction that doesn't violate any of the base rules of EVE and adds depth, other times it riddles systems with needless exceptions and useless complexity.
There are a few core rules and mechanics in EVE, and the crimewatch system is one of them. We will never actively introduce a feature that circumvents this safety, and any features that break this rule will be fixed at the soonest possible date. Unwillingly entering a limited engagement without accepting a duel, altering your crimewatch safety, or interacting with the UI in some purposeful way will never be a thing. CCP Dolan | Community Representative
Twitter: @CCPDolan
Gooby pls |
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