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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
4225
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Posted - 2014.01.28 21:07:00 -
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The show stopper for me is this: it's expensive, and therefore, a gank magnet. If I'm out there exploring for lulz, and using something cheap - and I have the skills and an rig to use cheap - then my status as a target to be hunted is depending on the level of boredom of whoever sees me in local. They might think they have an easy target, or they might have other easy targets, or more important targets.
The Astero and the Stratios can fit covops cloaks and covert cyno. There are other and cheaper ships that can do this, but the threat level of these ships is raised by those capabilities alone, so it gives players other reasons to pop one.
The only reason to pop a Nestor is to green up the KB. Because of this, the Nestor will be hunted, and without covops cloak, it will be more easily hunted.
For the price of a ship that will be hunted solely for KB green, it should have some special ability that raises the threat footprint. If I am to be hunted, I want to be hunted because I'm seen as a threat, not because "ooohh bling boat! we get it we leet! Let's Boomheadshotnoobpag wesol33t naow!".
If it could fit covert cyny, a BLOPS angle, great. Good reason to kill it, because it might bring in more, in spite of the risks. If it could warp cloaked, then that's a lot of firepower sneaking about. Why would it be such a crime for such an expensive ship to have BLOPS capabilities? What, are BLOPS going to get "stepped on"? A ship designed to traverse wormholes that can covert cyno and warp cloaked would be something to fear when it comes in battleship.
So in fear of stepping on some other ship, they made a ship that steps aside. I can't get myself to have one. It's a hangar queen and It'll need a rack of faction hardeners just to keep it from being a gank magnet for Tornado packs in highsec. |
Morganta
Peripheral Madness
1942
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Posted - 2014.01.28 21:12:00 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:The show stopper for me is this: it's expensive, and therefore, a gank magnet. If I'm out there exploring for lulz, and using something cheap - and I have the skills and an rig to use cheap - then my status as a target to be hunted is depending on the level of boredom of whoever sees me in local. They might think they have an easy target, or they might have other easy targets, or more important targets.
The Astero and the Stratios can fit covops cloaks and covert cyno. There are other and cheaper ships that can do this, but the threat level of these ships is raised by those capabilities alone, so it gives players other reasons to pop one.
The only reason to pop a Nestor is to green up the KB. Because of this, the Nestor will be hunted, and without covops cloak, it will be more easily hunted.
For the price of a ship that will be hunted solely for KB green, it should have some special ability that raises the threat footprint. If I am to be hunted, I want to be hunted because I'm seen as a threat, not because "ooohh bling boat! we get it we leet! Let's Boomheadshotnoobpag wesol33t naow!".
If it could fit covert cyny, a BLOPS angle, great. Good reason to kill it, because it might bring in more, in spite of the risks. If it could warp cloaked, then that's a lot of firepower sneaking about. Why would it be such a crime for such an expensive ship to have BLOPS capabilities? What, are BLOPS going to get "stepped on"? A ship designed to traverse wormholes that can covert cyno and warp cloaked would be something to fear when it comes in battleship.
So in fear of stepping on some other ship, they made a ship that steps aside. I can't get myself to have one. It's a hangar queen and It'll need a rack of faction hardeners just to keep it from being a gank magnet for Tornado packs in highsec.
so you see no way to use a gank-magnet hangar queen to your advantage? and FYI, first editions always cost more
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Sable Blitzmann
In Exile. Imperial Outlaws.
115
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Posted - 2014.01.28 21:19:00 -
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Laiannah Sahireen wrote:Whoever listed that is an idiot. They must have bought a built hull to get it on the market that fast, which means they paid 1,000,000 LP and 100 million isk.
If my wonky and unreliable math is correct, that's 2599 ISK/LP, which is less than the Stratios currently brings in (around 2750) and takes 5 times as long to earn.
If it wasn't going to take me another hour to finish patching on my crappy connection, I'd have already bought and re-listed that ship.
http://blitzmann.it.cx/lpStore/item/33470/
Stratios isn't anywhere near 2750 (based on Jita market, at least). Maybe when it first came out. |
Bertrand Butler
Cras es Noster
155
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Posted - 2014.01.28 21:25:00 -
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This one will make a terrific armor buffer bait ship if used properly...C: |
Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
2147
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Posted - 2014.01.28 21:29:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Batelle wrote:the sad part about the price point is that being tied to SOE LP, the price isn't going to change that much. As long as people fly the stratios and have a use for it, the Nestor will be slaved to that price point. So its not even like low demand for the ship will result in it being more affordable. True. The Strat is slowly lowering in sell value though. And when the true horror of the Omni nerf hits home, all drone boats with no hull-based bonused ranges are going to drop like a stone. I imagine we will see both boats sinking in value very soon. Dinsdale tears fofofo
It must be sad being you..so sad. Posting your joy at someone else's unhappiness and anger.
I guess most trolls are that way though. Most people viewed Orwell's writings as a warning. The harper regime and the goons treat them as a guidebook. |
Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4480
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Posted - 2014.01.28 21:31:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Batelle wrote:the sad part about the price point is that being tied to SOE LP, the price isn't going to change that much. As long as people fly the stratios and have a use for it, the Nestor will be slaved to that price point. So its not even like low demand for the ship will result in it being more affordable. True. The Strat is slowly lowering in sell value though. And when the true horror of the Omni nerf hits home, all drone boats with no hull-based bonused ranges are going to drop like a stone. I imagine we will see both boats sinking in value very soon. Dinsdale tears fofofo It must be sad being you..so sad. Posting your joy at someone else's unhappiness and anger. I guess most trolls are that way though.
It's kind of ironic because you do the exact same thing to us all the time. Or maybe it's unironic because we expected it, who knows? But please don't let my thoughts disrupt your meltdown, carry on. This post was lovingly crafted by a member of the Goonwaffe Posting Cabal & proud member of the popular gay hookup site, somethingawful.com |
Batelle
Komm susser Tod
1423
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Posted - 2014.01.28 21:43:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote: Dinsdale tears fofofo
It must be sad being you..so sad. Posting your joy at someone else's unhappiness and anger.
It must be scary being Dinsdale. Every bluepost a personal insult. Every insult a personal threat. Every nerf a malicious conspiracy against your way of life. Every Dev a goon alt. Every alliance a cartel. Every post laced with bitterness and indignation.
All shall be well, and all shall be well, and all manner of things shall be well. "CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"
Never forget. |
Jowen Datloran
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
801
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Posted - 2014.01.28 21:48:00 -
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Kill them.
Kill them all. Mr. Science & Trade Institute, EVE Online Lorebook-á |
Vera Algaert
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1316
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Posted - 2014.01.28 22:06:00 -
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Sable Blitzmann wrote:Laiannah Sahireen wrote:Whoever listed that is an idiot. They must have bought a built hull to get it on the market that fast, which means they paid 1,000,000 LP and 100 million isk.
If my wonky and unreliable math is correct, that's 2599 ISK/LP, which is less than the Stratios currently brings in (around 2750) and takes 5 times as long to earn.
If it wasn't going to take me another hour to finish patching on my crappy connection, I'd have already bought and re-listed that ship. http://blitzmann.it.cx/lpStore/item/33470/Stratios isn't anywhere near 2750 (based on Jita market, at least). Maybe when it first came out. it is if you get the bpc |
Jowen Datloran
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
801
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Posted - 2014.01.28 22:10:00 -
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That site appears to be faulty implemented; the LP cost of the Stratios BPC is 120.000 (not 240.000) and the ISK price is 30.000.000 ISK (not 15.000.000).
I just checked with current Jita BUY orders, giving an ISK/LP ratio of 2.625. Anybody creating a SELL order will get a higher ratio.
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baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
9961
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Posted - 2014.01.28 22:17:00 -
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Avio Yaken wrote:i really wonder if its that good of a ship
would be funny to me if after all that hard work or money the ship is weak as cardboard
It can do roams with frigate gangs and it is interesting to fit but they wont be seen much, the fitting room to too tight. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
Starrakatt
Hunter Killers. Forsaken Asylum
49
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Posted - 2014.01.28 22:19:00 -
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I suspect as of the moment of the patch, the Jita undock has been permacamped by a few Tornados waiting for the first one to sell and undock.
KM soon I guess. |
Pinky Hops
Spartan's DNA
366
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Posted - 2014.01.28 22:22:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Avio Yaken wrote:i really wonder if its that good of a ship
would be funny to me if after all that hard work or money the ship is weak as cardboard
It can do roams with frigate gangs and it is interesting to fit but they wont be seen much, the fitting room to too tight.
they'll be used a lot in wormholes i think - once the price becomes reasonable.
the low mass is a really big draw and it's a huge limitation for fights there. |
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
224
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Posted - 2014.01.28 22:22:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Avio Yaken wrote:i really wonder if its that good of a ship
would be funny to me if after all that hard work or money the ship is weak as cardboard
It can do roams with frigate gangs and it is interesting to fit but they wont be seen much, the fitting room to too tight.
... tight ? You can fit them out fine as long as you stick to no more than two large lasers :D
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Pinky Hops
Spartan's DNA
366
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Posted - 2014.01.28 22:25:00 -
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Hasikan Miallok wrote:baltec1 wrote:Avio Yaken wrote:i really wonder if its that good of a ship
would be funny to me if after all that hard work or money the ship is weak as cardboard
It can do roams with frigate gangs and it is interesting to fit but they wont be seen much, the fitting room to too tight. ... tight ? You can fit them out fine as long as you stick to no more than two large lasers :D
it's not supposed to be a dps ship anyway - it's a logistics platform
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baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
9961
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Posted - 2014.01.28 22:35:00 -
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Hasikan Miallok wrote:
... tight ? You can fit them out fine as long as you stick to no more than two large lasers :D
med guns for me Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
1529
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Posted - 2014.01.29 00:19:00 -
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Alice Ituin wrote:Avio Yaken wrote:i really wonder if its that good of a ship
would be funny to me if after all that hard work or money the ship is weak as cardboard
It's good, but not THAT good. 6 billion... is way to much for what it can do. The ISK/LP for SoE is only that high on the Stratios because people saved their LP for the Nestor. I would expect that to drop relatively soon now that everyone is turning in their LP. (once the "oh, but it's so shiny!" moment has worn off a bit) Not even remotely worth that. I'm tempted to sit in Jita with a nado squad and gank anyone stupid enough to pay that. |
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
224
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Posted - 2014.01.29 00:25:00 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote:Alice Ituin wrote:Avio Yaken wrote:i really wonder if its that good of a ship
would be funny to me if after all that hard work or money the ship is weak as cardboard
It's good, but not THAT good. 6 billion... is way to much for what it can do. The ISK/LP for SoE is only that high on the Stratios because people saved their LP for the Nestor. I would expect that to drop relatively soon now that everyone is turning in their LP. (once the "oh, but it's so shiny!" moment has worn off a bit) Not even remotely worth that. I'm tempted to sit in Jita with a nado squad and gank anyone stupid enough to pay that.
meh a couple of billion is pocket money for a lot of people
However chances are its mainly going to sell as a ship spinner and a collectible in its current form.
If you are serious about ganking consider two points: - the Nestors on sale are probably made elsewhere and then have to be shipped or flown into Jita - even if they were made in Jita the BPC would need to be flown in
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La Nariz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1504
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Posted - 2014.01.29 00:31:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Batelle wrote:the sad part about the price point is that being tied to SOE LP, the price isn't going to change that much. As long as people fly the stratios and have a use for it, the Nestor will be slaved to that price point. So its not even like low demand for the ship will result in it being more affordable. True. The Strat is slowly lowering in sell value though. And when the true horror of the Omni nerf hits home, all drone boats with no hull-based bonused ranges are going to drop like a stone. I imagine we will see both boats sinking in value very soon. Dinsdale tears fofofo It must be sad being you..so sad. Posting your joy at someone else's unhappiness and anger. I guess most trolls are that way though.
Dinsdale tears fofofo This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. |
Sable Blitzmann
In Exile. Imperial Outlaws.
115
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Posted - 2014.01.29 03:50:00 -
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Jowen Datloran wrote:That site appears to be faulty implemented; the LP cost of the Stratios BPC is 120.000 (not 240.000) and the ISK price is 30.000.000 ISK (not 15.000.000).
I just checked with current Jita BUY orders, giving an ISK/LP ratio of 2.625. Anybody creating a SELL order will get a higher ratio.
The site is not faulty. You're looking at the LP offers for the ship itself (of which there are two), not the BPC. Here's the page for the BPC offers: http://blitzmann.it.cx/lpStore/item/33471/
But I do contend that the BPC gives a ****load of more ISK/LP. I didn't take that into consideration. |
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