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Jacksol Darnson
Miner's Guild
7
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Posted - 2014.01.29 15:36:00 -
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iv noticed that it is hard to find any ore worth while in .7 and above? just wondering if its fairly safe to go to a .5 with out a group other other players if your a noob?
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J'Poll
CDG Playgrounds
3590
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Posted - 2014.01.29 15:39:00 -
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That depends on the group and what you fly. =)
0.5 is still high-sec, so same engagement rules apply as in a 0.7 or 1.0. Just keep in mind, NPC pirates can be slightly tougher for a new player and CONCORD takes longer to throw away their donuts and punish any offender. Want to have some chat in game? Need help to get into the game as a new player? Just join my channel: Crazy Dutch Guy |
Jacksol Darnson
Miner's Guild
7
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Posted - 2014.01.29 15:42:00 -
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is it possible to hire another player to help me out???
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
15645
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Posted - 2014.01.29 15:54:00 -
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J'Poll wrote:That depends on the group and what you fly. =)
0.5 is still high-sec, so same engagement rules apply as in a 0.7 or 1.0. Just keep in mind, NPC pirates can be slightly tougher for a new player and CONCORD takes longer to throw away their donuts and punish any offender. Lies, Concord never throws their doughnuts away, in a 0.5 they actually take the time to order another batch before attending any crime scenes.
@ the OP you should be fine in a 0.5 as long as you pay attention and don't mine afk. Alternatively if you move away from trade and mission hubs you'll find plenty of untouched belts in 0.7s. |
J'Poll
CDG Playgrounds
3590
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Posted - 2014.01.29 16:00:00 -
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Jacksol Darnson wrote:is it possible to hire another player to help me out???
That's quite difficult in high-sec. Mainly because of how flagging system works and most hostilities by other players are done by using suicide ganking (aka kill you before response is possible). Want to have some chat in game? Need help to get into the game as a new player? Just join my channel: Crazy Dutch Guy |
Schmata Bastanold
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
1339
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Posted - 2014.01.29 16:03:00 -
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Jacksol Darnson wrote:is it possible to hire another player to help me out???
What about your corpies? Mining corps usually have fleets with orca boosting yield. Or your corp exists only to avoid NPC taxes and everybody for himself? If that is a case I would suggest changing corp instead of even considering hiring anybody to help you with mining in hisec. I am not my skills but... http://eveboard.com/pilot/Schmata_Bastanold |
Jacksol Darnson
Miner's Guild
8
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Posted - 2014.01.29 16:12:00 -
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Schmata Bastanold wrote:Jacksol Darnson wrote:is it possible to hire another player to help me out???
What about your corpies? Mining corps usually have fleets with orca boosting yield. Or your corp exists only to avoid NPC taxes and everybody for himself? If that is a case I would suggest changing corp instead of even considering hiring anybody to help you with mining in hisec.
my corps kinda small iv only seen like 7 members on |
Schmata Bastanold
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
1339
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Posted - 2014.01.29 16:20:00 -
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Big, small doesn't matter. What matters is if you guys do things together or not. If not and you need help and your corp cannot help you I would recommend find another corp that will. Really, there is plenty of small corps that take newbies and help them by inviting them into fleets and doing things together. Mining, missions, incursions, pvp, doesn't matter what activity is - corp is there to help you help them, otherwise it makes little sense to have their logo on your info panel. I am not my skills but... http://eveboard.com/pilot/Schmata_Bastanold |
Jacksol Darnson
Miner's Guild
8
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Posted - 2014.01.29 16:31:00 -
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Im just not on at the same times they are it seems. |
Yarda Black
Epidemic. Spaceship Samurai
19
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Posted - 2014.01.29 16:32:00 -
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Before hooking up with another player, check his corp and if they're involved in a war.
If so; Don't fleet-up If not; go ahead and grab some bonusses. You can even try to ask in local if Orca's show up on D-scan |
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Thomas Builder
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
393
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Posted - 2014.01.29 16:50:00 -
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Jacksol Darnson wrote:is it possible to hire another player to help me out??? Help you do what? Protect you against suicide gankers? Sure, but you'd probably have to pay him more than you make mining.
If you are so concerned about getting ganked, fly a procurer and fit some tank it. They get ganked extremely rarely. Or just pay attention to local and d-scan and always be ready to warp away if hostiles comes into the system.
And as Yarda said, independently from protection, if you can get into a fleet with Orca boost, you want them, they can boost your yield by over 50%. Also, everything tends to be less boring in a group.
And obligatory mining disclaimer: While mining is steady income, it's far from being the best income, even for new players. You do not have to mine in this game if you don't enjoy it. (But if you enjoy it, by all means, continue.) |
Jacksol Darnson
Miner's Guild
8
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Posted - 2014.01.29 16:55:00 -
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no I don't enjoy it im looking to be fighter some bay but im still building up my skill and get isk pillow to fall back upon |
Haedonism Bot
Revolutionary Front
798
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Posted - 2014.01.29 17:02:00 -
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0.5 is still highsec, so it isn't really significantly more dangerous than 0.7. The rules for staying safe are the same. If you are in a Venture than don't worry about it. Otherwise, don't fly anything you can afford to lose, and favor tanked Procurers and Skiffs over other barges. Don't afk, and if you do get ganked, congratulate the ganker with a "gf" in local.
Also, consider buying a mining permit from any New Order agent. Permit holders have a higher degree of safety in highsec than non permit holders. You can find the details about this at www.minerbumping.com everevolutionaryfront.blogspot.com |
Daniel Plain
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
1812
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Posted - 2014.01.29 19:00:00 -
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Jacksol Darnson wrote:is it possible to hire another player to help me out???
in theory yes. in practice no. the way miner ganking works is you fit a few cheap but high dps ships and burst the target down within seconds before concord even arrives. this inherently also means that whoever is in charge of protecting you only has a few seconds to lock the gankers and engage in countermeasures.
in addition, the total amount of gankers in eve is unfortunately pretty low, so your personal bodyguard would probably spend most of his time watching porn (which does not exactly help his vigilance either).
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings" -MXZF |
Michael Ruckert
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
49
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Posted - 2014.01.29 19:06:00 -
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I mined in 0.6 and 0.5 as a newb with my Venture. Get some drones for your Venture and you can take care of any NPC rats in 0.6 and 0.5 systems. Train your drone skills up to at least 3, preferably 4. Fit your Venture with a Damage Control module. Once in system, take the usual precautions - align, dscan, and check local for bad guys and gals. Gankers are after bigger bling than a Venture. "No matter how well you perform there's always somebody of intelligent opinion who thinks it's lousy." - Laurence Olivier |
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
3126
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Posted - 2014.01.29 19:39:00 -
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0.5 to 1.0 are "safe" to mine, though you'll want to have combat drones to deal with the NPC if you cannot tank and ignore them.
I found I could easily deal with all hisec belt-rat NPC with one or two Hobgoblin drones. |
J'Poll
CDG Playgrounds
3592
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Posted - 2014.01.29 20:08:00 -
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Jacksol Darnson wrote:no I don't enjoy it im looking to be fighter some day but im still building up my skill and need to get a isk pillow to fall back upon. when I die
Okay.
Then DO NOT mine.
Don't do things you don't enjoy.
And as Thomas said, other things are better paid.
Missions not only pay better, but it gives you practise on how to fight in both PvE and to some extend PvP. Looking at asteroids pop while training skills, will mean you will never actually learn to be a fighter. Want to have some chat in game? Need help to get into the game as a new player? Just join my channel: Crazy Dutch Guy |
Snagletooth Johnson
Snagle Material Services CAStabouts
83
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Posted - 2014.01.29 21:52:00 -
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J'Poll wrote:Jacksol Darnson wrote:no I don't enjoy it im looking to be fighter some day but im still building up my skill and need to get a isk pillow to fall back upon. when I die Okay. Then DO NOT mine. Don't do things you don't enjoy. And as Thomas said, other things are better paid. Missions not only pay better, but it gives you practise on how to fight in both PvE and to some extend PvP. Looking at asteroids pop while training skills, will mean you will never actually learn to be a fighter. Well, depends. If he's looking to get into small gangs, then mining is bad. However, if he's looking to get into large fleet battles, then mining is perfect. target, lock, F1, rinse repeat....just like mining. |
J'Poll
CDG Playgrounds
3592
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Posted - 2014.01.29 22:04:00 -
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Snagletooth Johnson wrote:J'Poll wrote:Jacksol Darnson wrote:no I don't enjoy it im looking to be fighter some day but im still building up my skill and need to get a isk pillow to fall back upon. when I die Okay. Then DO NOT mine. Don't do things you don't enjoy. And as Thomas said, other things are better paid. Missions not only pay better, but it gives you practise on how to fight in both PvE and to some extend PvP. Looking at asteroids pop while training skills, will mean you will never actually learn to be a fighter. Well, depends. If he's looking to get into small gangs, then mining is bad. However, if he's looking to get into large fleet battles, then mining is perfect. target, lock, F1, rinse repeat....just like mining.
Made me laugh, but it's kind of true.
If you are looking for big blobs, then being a F1 monkey is enough. Want to have some chat in game? Need help to get into the game as a new player? Just join my channel: Crazy Dutch Guy |
Spine Ripper
New Order Logistics CODE.
24
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Posted - 2014.01.29 22:50:00 -
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Jacksol Darnson wrote:no I don't enjoy it im looking to be fighter some day but im still building up my skill and need to get a isk pillow to fall back upon. when I die
If you don't like mining AND you want to be a fighter you may be in the wrong corp.
RvB (Red versus Blue) won't require that you have a lot of ISK to join and they train fighters.
Or there are other options but I won't provoke any response by mentioning the obvious. All Highsec miners must follow the New Halaima Code of Conduct or be subject to bumping or ganking.-á No permit, no mining. www.minerbumping.com |
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Abrei-Kaii
Beyond New Frontier
0
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Posted - 2014.01.30 05:11:00 -
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Haedonism Bot wrote:Also, consider buying a mining permit from any New Order agent. Permit holders have a higher degree of safety in highsec than non permit holders. You can find the details about this at www.minerbumping.com
Really? Do you have to attempt to extort isk from every newbie that asks mining questions?
OP, you don't have to give him 1 dime. So long as you keep an eye on local and D-scan you will be safe. |
Solai
Jolly Codgers Get Off My Lawn
177
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Posted - 2014.01.30 07:29:00 -
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If you do continue mining, and decide to take risks, then give your ship a solid tank. This likely means foregoing your mining bonus mods. The ISK loss from less mining product is generally smaller than the ISK loss of a ship to a suicide ganker. And his hobby is so cheap that nothing will deter him from attempting it, so it's best to assume you will get attacked despite Concord.
Jolly Codgers corp - Bloodthirsty old men of Null-Sec. -á PVP and organizational excellence through maturity, for pilots age 30+. |
Shiloh Templeton
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
83
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Posted - 2014.01.30 13:06:00 -
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Jacksol Darnson wrote:iv noticed that it is hard to find any ore worth while in .7 and above? just wondering if its fairly safe to go to a .5 with out a group other other players if your a noob?
With a tanked procurer it is very safe to be solo - if you are not in a wardecced corp.
You many also find that if you just move to a different system you will find the ore's you're looking for in .7-.8 systems. |
Schmata Bastanold
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
1341
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Posted - 2014.01.30 17:24:00 -
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You are safe until somebody is so bored that even your procurer will become gank magnet. I am not my skills but... http://eveboard.com/pilot/Schmata_Bastanold |
Sabriz Adoudel
Mission BLITZ
1882
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Posted - 2014.01.30 23:10:00 -
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Schmata Bastanold wrote:You are safe until somebody is so bored that even your procurer will become gank magnet.
A gank Vexor can take out a Procurer solo in 0.5 if the Proc isn't tanked.
OP: Mining in highsec is boring, poorly paid and will make you a target for highsec pirates like myself. You can buy many of us off with a mining permit and not going AFK, but you will enjoy the game more if you only mine in moderation or not at all. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=238931 - an idea for a new form of hybrid PVE/PVP content. If you want to mine in highsec outside rookie systems, obey the New Haliama Code of Conduct or else the New Order will gank you. www.minerbumping.com for more info. |
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor Cosmic Consortium
4832
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Posted - 2014.01.31 06:44:00 -
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If making ISK to fund your PvP lifestyle is the primary motivation behind your mistaken foray in to the mind-numbing boredom of mining, why not check the hints in the Making ISK guide?
Day 0 advice for new players: Day 0 Advice for New Players |
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ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
817
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Posted - 2014.02.01 01:15:00 -
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I have removed a rule breaking post and the one quoting it.
The rules: 18. New player bashing will not be tolerated.
New members of the EVE Online community are encouraged to use, but are not restricted to the EVE New Citizens Q&A forum. This forum is specifically designed to provide a platform for those who are new to the EVE community to ask questions and learn more about EVE. More experienced forum users are encouraged to participate by assisting new players with helpful and courteous responses. All flaming, trolling and posts of a derogatory nature will be deleted, and will be considered a severe breach of the forum rules.
ISD Ezwal Commander Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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Marsan
Caldari Provisions
199
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Posted - 2014.02.01 17:51:00 -
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Jacksol Darnson wrote:no I don't enjoy it im looking to be fighter some day but im still building up my skill and need to get a isk pillow to fall back upon. when I die
That's the worst reason to mine. The right reason to mine is you are doing something else while you mine (EX: chatting, watching tv..), you are botting (which breaks the rules and will get you banned), you are just bored, or you gain some weird satisfaction "losing isk" by mining and building things*. A good way to earn isk as a newbie is missions.
A better way is to join an established corp with a newbie focus like EVE-Uni, RvB or BNI. There are also a number of good smaller corps that will take in newbies as well. The advantage of an established corp is you often will get the opportunity to get much more valuable sources of income. For example in a mission running corp you'll often be given the opportunity to loot a blitzer's missions. The loot isn't worth it for the mission runner, but you can loot x10 what you'd make mining. Remember that a corp that recruits newbies understands you don't have isk, and will expect that your 1st job in corp is to make enough to be able to do what ever it is the corp does. They will also be very interested in showing you how make a steady living.
* As a newbie you are generally better off mining ore, selling the ore, and buying stuff than mining, refining, and building. Of course if you are enjoying it more than the isk you aren't gaining then who cares. (Okay it actually upsets a lot of people for some reason on the forums, but hey have fun it a game.) Former forum cheerleader CCP, now just a hopeful small portion of the community. |
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