Considering how nobody wants WIS I see an awful lot of threads from people asking for WIS.

You know, I've always found it funny how in any discussion on this subject, there is always a considerable amount of effort dedicated to glossing over the fact that catering to the whims of the WiS crowd in the first place has been the game's greatest catastrophe to date.

Exactly but the people who won't shut up about WiS act like they can't live for another minute unless CCP starts adding wizard robes to the game.

The WiS fetishists

...aren't willing to admit that Incarna was a disaster and caused CCP to step back and refocus on actual Eve content.

Or they just start talking about Star Citizen which will probably end up as vaporware but isn't even an MMORPG.

I think underlying all the claimed reasons for opposing WIS is a deep insecurity that EVE might then become popular for the "wrong" reasons and all sorts of people without the "right attitude" will start to play and ruin the game for those dedicated to pew pew.

And as I've said before if anyone should be pissed about how Incarna turned out it should be the WiS supporters.

The real outrage over Incarna was that CCP wasted two years developing it while ignoring Eve. It's even more depressing considering how much great work they have done on spaceships since the Summer of Rage. Imagine how much closer we would be to fixing things like sov, POS mechanics, supercap proliferation, etc if they hadn't wasted so much time on nonsense.

Pretty sure we already discussed these points before in some other thread?

/shrug

Meh. I blame myself for getting into the same round-about discussion with you again I guess. Your attitude to WiS is frustratingly non-compromising and negative and your points are almost always repetitive, but I've found your posts generally well thought-out most times (albiet a bit trolly in places) and respect your opinion.

But WiS shall prevail!

... eventually.

fetishists

Now just look at the attitude a big swathe of the EVE community has toward roleplay - it's strange, they don't get it, they don't understand why people do it. Roleplay, and it's abstract link to WiS, quite literally scares a lot of people.

Confirming I have seen **** that would turn Rhes white.

After only ten-ish minutes in "The Summit", some female sent me a mail, throwing her panties at me.

Sweet. At least she was wearing some.

Seems to be a lot of bi/lesbian characters around. Strangely.

Pity Erica's straight, it means I generally miss all the fun.

You're doing God's work Rhes.

Rhes wants WiS. What he doesn't want is for it to focus on playing dress up.

Just wondering?

Rhes wants WiS. What he doesn't want is for it to focus on playing dress up.

Well OP, incase you didn't know CCP did plan to do some kind of in-station gameplay but they never followed through.

You see, during eve fanfest, CCP shows players cool concepts and plans for eve but we never actually get the. The year before last, we were shown how the ships were going to show visual damage the their models and asteroids that collide and shatter. And two years later... Nothing.

There is no walking in stations because we'd rather CCP spent their time working on game mechanics, ships, balance and other 'Eve' things, not barbies in space.

I've never understood the fascination with "WiS". I played Star Trek Online for a good while and the away missions were ok and all, but I could live without them personally. If I want to see strange people walking around and chatting I walk outside and stare at the sidewalk. What i can't do in real life is fly in space thus I play EVE.

I'm glad CCP is focused on EVE's core gameplay even if I don't agree with individual decisions (the latest of which was the ESS).

What WIS would do is interconnect all of these things into a hub. It could only serve to make the game and its various aspects better because interconnectedness creates stronger emotional responses than non-interconnectedness. Stronger emotional responses lead to longer term subscribers.

First of all, citation needed on the claimed psychological effects there. I've got plenty 'inter-connectedness' with the people I fly with and there are plenty of others who do too without WIS. Secondly, don't even pretend this is about subscribers, because the game has continued to increase in subscriptions every year, steadily, without fail and without WIS. Just be honest and say you want it, because there are plenty of other people who want it too and there is nothing wrong with asking for what you want. Whether it's needed, is practical to implement or produces any demonstrably functional or meaningful content is another argument entirely, because all you're doing is addressing the social aspect and to be frank, EVE has everything that any other online video game has to socialise with others.

I was honest plenty of posts back, I'm curious about the interiors of my ships and I can imagine WIS would give me an opportunity to experience that, but it's nothing more than a curiosity and any aspects of functionality to that are lost in the lore of the capsuleer anyway, not to mention lost in the flavour of the game in general. I'm sure there are functional and meaningful ways to implement WIS, but whether or not it is worth either the development time or bloating the client files is another matter, and something I'd rather CCP take their time with to very carefully think out before introducing anything on top of what we already have.

Let's just put things in perspective here for a moment though, shall we?

Raise your hands everyone that subbed to this game with its lack of ambulation in mind.

Now raise your hands everyone that subbed to this game because of the spaceship content.

The most obvious appeal derives from the elements of achievement in these environments. They cater to players who enjoy accumulating wealth, rare items and tangible power. The other main appeal derives from the ability to chat, make friends and affiliate with larger social groups such as guilds. Many players also find appeal in becoming immersed in a fantasy world and becoming part of a story that is being told. Also, certain players enjoy competing with other players or even annoying and manipulating them through devious means. And finally, some players are fascinated with the mechanics and geography of the world. For them, the satisfaction comes from unraveling the game.