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Xelios
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Posted - 2006.04.13 16:52:00 -
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It's already been pointed out, but to reiterate the whopping 2.5 seconds saved at level 5 means jack ****. Friend starts taking heavy damage, you lock him, 40 seconds later he finally sees some armor. Either this boost of armor comes in time to save him or he's already dead, the fact that the next cycle will come 2.5 seconds quicker has little bearing on the situation. If he could hold out the 40 seconds until the first cycle he can surely wait the full cycle time of 10 seconds to the next dose of armor.
It's a useless bonus, especially for a Carrier, and especially for a Carrier designed for "all out warfare".
Signature removed. -Zhuge ([email protected]) Woot.
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Kaylana Syi
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Posted - 2006.04.13 17:38:00 -
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Originally by: Scalor Valentis
Oh, and as i mentioned before, even if nidhoggur repairs 33% faster it still useless due to oh so many limitations.
*possibly* but then again... are you trying to fit a square peg in a round peg hole? Just once will morons on this forum think about other people than the status quo? Just seems to me that people want to Zerg with carriers. Shenanigans to the lot of you. Other people *do* play this game other than the blobbing lemmings.
Originally by: "Oveur" I don't react to threats any better than you do
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Scalor Valentis
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Posted - 2006.04.13 18:06:00 -
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Edited by: Scalor Valentis on 13/04/2006 18:10:11 Edited by: Scalor Valentis on 13/04/2006 18:06:21
Originally by: Kaylana Syi
Originally by: Scalor Valentis
Oh, and as i mentioned before, even if nidhoggur repairs 33% faster it still useless due to oh so many limitations.
*possibly* but then again... are you trying to fit a square peg in a round peg hole? Just once will morons on this forum think about other people than the status quo? Just seems to me that people want to Zerg with carriers. Shenanigans to the lot of you. Other people *do* play this game other than the blobbing lemmings.
stop trolling and taunting other experienced PVP:ers who actualy FLY THE DAMN THINGS!
I, and i bet, abaut all other minmatar players didint train a F**K LOAD of skill just to be a half arsed "hospital" ship without proper UI or game mechanic support, and may be useful once in blue moon! While all other carriers find practical applications for theye bonuses every damn time they go in action. (aka tank or gank)
Yes my dear, current eve revolves araund DPS and tankability, and some halfassed atempt on creation of hospital ship is not gona change it.
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Nifel
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Posted - 2006.04.13 18:14:00 -
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You guys need to stop thinking about repping bs and start thinking about repping other carriers around you.
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Scalor Valentis
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Posted - 2006.04.13 18:25:00 -
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Originally by: Nifel You guys need to stop thinking about repping bs and start thinking about repping other carriers around you.
Can be done with... umm any other carriers too, you forget that other carriers can repair too.
And i might add, that 5% to resistances lowers the need for repairing more than 5% to cycling can ever, ever ever ever repair Also saves cap and, well, generealy is 100134123 times more useful bonus.
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Aloysius Knight
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Posted - 2006.04.14 01:19:00 -
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Originally by: Scalor Valentis
Originally by: Nifel You guys need to stop thinking about repping bs and start thinking about repping other carriers around you.
Can be done with... umm any other carriers too, you forget that other carriers can repair too.
And i might add, that 5% to resistances lowers the need for repairing more than 5% to cycling can ever, ever ever ever repair Also saves cap and, well, generealy is 100134123 times more useful bonus.
AMEN BOTHER!
and to this
"*possibly* but then again... are you trying to fit a square peg in a round peg hole? Just once will morons on this forum think about other people than the status quo? Just seems to me that people want to Zerg with carriers. Shenanigans to the lot of you. Other people *do* play this game other than the blobbing lemmings."
WTF are you smoking, carriers are for FLEET FIGHTS
in any case the bonus is utter crap compared to the other carriers
2 of them get 25% to resisants and one of them out damnges it by 50%
how about just once the monron torlls get a clue
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Aloysius Knight
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Posted - 2006.04.14 13:19:00 -
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Wilfan Ret'nub
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Posted - 2006.04.14 16:38:00 -
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Would be remote repping / shield boosting usefull if lock time was 0 when locking gangmates?
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Scalor Valentis
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Posted - 2006.04.14 16:58:00 -
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Originally by: Wilfan Ret'nub Would be remote repping / shield boosting usefull if lock time was 0 when locking gangmates?
Well, that and;
Proper UI that displays gangmates healt in REAL TIME, without odd 10 seconds lagg - like in gangwindow right now.
50+ KM range on remote repairers, preferably 100 + km if you ask me.
The crapairer repairs it Before cycle ends, not after.
and, even if all this is done, minmatar bonus is still usueless as other carriers can repair almost as well and can do many other things beter
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Aloysius Knight
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Posted - 2006.04.15 03:36:00 -
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now if the minnie carrier is gonna be the logistics carrier, why dosn't it follow the same bonus as the Logistic cruser
Basilisk Logistics Skill Bonus: 15% reduction in Shield Transfer Array capacitor use and 10% reduction in Energy Transfer Array capacitor use per level
Guardian Logistics Skill Bonus: 15% reduction in Energy Transfer Array capacitor use and 10% reduction in Remote Armor Repair System capacitor use per level
Oneiros Logistics Skill Bonus: 15% reduction in Remote Armor Repairer capacitor use and 3.5% bonus to Tracking Link efficiency per level
Scimitar Logistics Skill Bonus: 5% bonus to Tracking Link efficiency and 10% reduction in Shield Transfer Array capacitor use per level
well would you look at that, none of them have a redution in cycle time, all have a reduction in cap use which, no matter how much you try to spin it is 10x betta
it allows you to run the arrays longer and also run your own tank!
while changing the bnous will help, there still needs to be changes to gangs alowing insta-locking of gang mates and changing it so that arrrays work at the start of the cycle, not the end
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xeom
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Posted - 2006.04.15 04:19:00 -
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Didn't read the whole thread but. How about 5% to drone speed and sig reduction per level?
Not sure how usefull that would make it,but it seems to be leaning towards the hole minmatar idealogy ---------------------- O Snapz! |
Aloysius Knight
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Posted - 2006.04.15 05:14:00 -
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Originally by: xeom Didn't read the whole thread but. How about 5% to drone speed and sig reduction per level?
Not sure how usefull that would make it,but it seems to be leaning towards the hole minmatar idealogy
maybe to mwd speed, but if you make them orbit faster, fighters will miss alot more and the sig redution would apply to the carrier? would still be usless as anything can still hit you easly
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xeom
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Posted - 2006.04.15 05:53:00 -
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No way dude sig on drones.. ---------------------- O Snapz! |
Scalor Valentis
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Posted - 2006.04.15 06:39:00 -
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All cariers shuld have dual comba bonuses, period.
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Aloysius Knight
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Posted - 2006.04.15 08:25:00 -
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yeah would be nice, but no cares anyway
maybe in 2 years we'll get it fixed
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Scalor Valentis
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Posted - 2006.04.15 09:32:00 -
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Originally by: Aloysius Knight yeah would be nice, but no cares anyway
maybe in 2 years we'll get it fixed
yea, when 80% of eve carrier pilots will be flying thanathos.
Also, all sofar manufacored motherships are Nyxes... i wonder why
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Pesadel0
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Posted - 2006.04.15 10:36:00 -
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Originally by: Scalor Valentis
Originally by: Aloysius Knight yeah would be nice, but no cares anyway
maybe in 2 years we'll get it fixed
yea, when 80% of eve carrier pilots will be flying thanathos.
Also, all sofar manufacored motherships are Nyxes... i wonder why
Because they are pretty?
Give minmatar some love
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Kaylana Syi
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Posted - 2006.04.15 11:40:00 -
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Originally by: Scalor Valentis
Originally by: Aloysius Knight yeah would be nice, but no cares anyway
maybe in 2 years we'll get it fixed
yea, when 80% of eve carrier pilots will be flying thanathos.
Also, all sofar manufacored motherships are Nyxes... i wonder why
Let's all pull numbers out of our arse that are so hypothetical thy make baby jeebus cry.
Originally by: "Oveur" I don't react to threats any better than you do
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Scalor Valentis
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Posted - 2006.04.15 12:16:00 -
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Edited by: Scalor Valentis on 15/04/2006 12:16:57
Originally by: Kaylana Syi
Originally by: Scalor Valentis
Originally by: Aloysius Knight yeah would be nice, but no cares anyway
maybe in 2 years we'll get it fixed
yea, when 80% of eve carrier pilots will be flying thanathos.
Also, all sofar manufacored motherships are Nyxes... i wonder why
Let's all pull numbers out of our arse that are so hypothetical thy make baby jeebus cry.
up the shut feck, troll.
Allerdy carrier manufactorers, like Oberon incorporated and all manufactorers from my alliances report over 60% rate on thanathos from all manufactored carriers.
Its only matter of time before all other train ghaylentte BS lvl 5 and go thanathos if this stupid situation continues.
Also, i took 80% as a hypotetical number cause i was referring "in future" tence. Hense sarcastcly discribing conditios under wich devs might consider reworkking carriers.
Now begone, troll.
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Aloysius Knight
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Posted - 2006.04.15 12:42:00 -
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Originally by: Hashi Lebwohl A builder's perspective.
We actually acquired another Thanatos print to meet demand and the Archon has been a good seller. The Chimera has performed ok but not brilliantly, but here we believe it has been the Phoenix, definitely the least popular dreadnaught, which has meant that training for Caldari capital ships has been set back.
The Nidhoggur does not have this excuse, as our Naglfar print is in continual production, and has performed the worst of any of the carriers. Since we commenced building carriers in February we have build only two Nidhoggur, one of which was for a character that only flies Minmatar ships (poor sap!).
Whatever the arguments advanced for this bonus it remains the fact that most carriers are purchased by individuals and very few, I feel, wish to spend 1 billion plus on being a safe spot healer.
I can safely predict that if TomB does a printout of Carriers in game in a year's time the wooden spoon will definitely be the Nidhoggur's by a large margin unless a more sellable bonus is given to the ship.
hey would ya look at that, even the biulders are complaing!
man im geting a feeling they should've called the Nidhoggur, Typhoon Mk2 now 3x more gimped!
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Scalor Valentis
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Posted - 2006.04.15 13:47:00 -
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Originally by: Aloysius Knight
Originally by: Hashi Lebwohl A builder's perspective.
We actually acquired another Thanatos print to meet demand and the Archon has been a good seller. The Chimera has performed ok but not brilliantly, but here we believe it has been the Phoenix, definitely the least popular dreadnaught, which has meant that training for Caldari capital ships has been set back.
The Nidhoggur does not have this excuse, as our Naglfar print is in continual production, and has performed the worst of any of the carriers. Since we commenced building carriers in February we have build only two Nidhoggur, one of which was for a character that only flies Minmatar ships (poor sap!).
Whatever the arguments advanced for this bonus it remains the fact that most carriers are purchased by individuals and very few, I feel, wish to spend 1 billion plus on being a safe spot healer.
I can safely predict that if TomB does a printout of Carriers in game in a year's time the wooden spoon will definitely be the Nidhoggur's by a large margin unless a more sellable bonus is given to the ship.
hey would ya look at that, even the biulders are complaing!
man im geting a feeling they should've called the Nidhoggur, Typhoon Mk2 now 3x more gimped!
But hay, acordong some einsteins in this forums its ok!
I mean, its good to have variety, and minmatar bonuses are atualy best in game and all; honesty, its best bonus ever
It like, remote repairs; AWESUME 33% less cycletime for allredy prettymuch useless and underused module in game!
/sarcasm off
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Pesadel0
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Posted - 2006.04.15 14:28:00 -
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Originally by: Kaylana Syi
Originally by: Scalor Valentis
Originally by: Aloysius Knight yeah would be nice, but no cares anyway
maybe in 2 years we'll get it fixed
yea, when 80% of eve carrier pilots will be flying thanathos.
Also, all sofar manufacored motherships are Nyxes... i wonder why
Let's all pull numbers out of our arse that are so hypothetical thy make baby jeebus cry.
kay do you really think that our opinions about the minie carrier are that far off?
Are you training for the minmatar carrier?And if soo for what advantage versus the other races ?
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Nifel
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Posted - 2006.04.15 14:43:00 -
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It's fun to be smacked by my own alliance members :|. NOT...
If you guys had bothered to read up a bit you'd see I proposed a joint bonus for the minmatar carrier where it got a bonus of cap reduction needs required to run the remote reps/transfers that matched the reduction cycle bonus. I'd also like to see it boosted to 10% reduction per level for a nice 50% reduction in cycle time and cap needed to run the remote reps/transfers.
Next time... don't flame and spam so much but present a clear and consistent argument instead. Jeez...
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Scalor Valentis
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Posted - 2006.04.15 14:49:00 -
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Originally by: Pesadel0
Originally by: Kaylana Syi
Originally by: Scalor Valentis
Originally by: Aloysius Knight yeah would be nice, but no cares anyway
maybe in 2 years we'll get it fixed
yea, when 80% of eve carrier pilots will be flying thanathos.
Also, all sofar manufacored motherships are Nyxes... i wonder why
Let's all pull numbers out of our arse that are so hypothetical thy make baby jeebus cry.
kay do you really think that our opinions about the minie carrier are that far off?
Are you training for the minmatar carrier?And if soo for what advantage versus the other races ?
Actualy, kaylana is claiming that she owns one(minmatar), and "like the bonuses" etc.... and that just increases my doubht abaut her statements.
If you ask me, i think shes just trolling.
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Cmd Woodlouse
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Posted - 2006.04.15 14:55:00 -
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Originally by: Kaylana Syi
Originally by: Scalor Valentis
Originally by: Aloysius Knight yeah would be nice, but no cares anyway
maybe in 2 years we'll get it fixed
yea, when 80% of eve carrier pilots will be flying thanathos.
Also, all sofar manufacored motherships are Nyxes... i wonder why
Let's all pull numbers out of our arse that are so hypothetical thy make baby jeebus cry.
actually its pure fact, and it makes ME cry when i see nearly all my minmatar capship mates training gheylente BS to 5 now... --------------------------------
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Scalor Valentis
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Posted - 2006.04.15 15:04:00 -
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Edited by: Scalor Valentis on 15/04/2006 15:05:51
Originally by: Nifel It's fun to be smacked by my own alliance members :|. NOT...
If you guys had bothered to read up a bit you'd see I proposed a joint bonus for the minmatar carrier where it got a bonus of cap reduction needs required to run the remote reps/transfers that matched the reduction cycle bonus. I'd also like to see it boosted to 10% reduction per level for a nice 50% reduction in cycle time and cap needed to run the remote reps/transfers.
Next time... don't flame and spam so much but present a clear and consistent argument instead. Jeez...
You dont get it, do you. In how many Fleet ops that you participated, prolly even with me in some, did we ever ever ever used anykind of remote repairing IN COMBAT? (granted, we do remote repairing after batttle with s reppys) And realy, with the envoirment; Lag lag lag lag lag, you shuld know beter to even begin to sugjest something like that.
Now, if you had sugjested something like this: carrier can remotly repair a guye from SS anywhere in system, just like you assing drones, thats other thing
So lets keep this simpple
No UI and lock interface support: - No proper Health managment display for 50+ gangmenbers - No instalock for gangmembers
Module is not balanced for what its intendet: - Piddly 15km range will not do, you need atleast 100+km range to be any use in fleet. - Remote repair module's needs to repair instantly and have cooldown period, not at the end of cycle.
Servers arent optimized for this: - A severe healt displaying lag is still present if ship is taking fire from more than 10 ships, render useless anykind of remote repping. You need have realtime display of healt if you plan being monk in EVE
solution to serverside lag is that ships dont explode instantly after Healt = 0, instead you have ~10 seconds time to "save it" by remote repairing, while its in"abaut to explode" mode. This also means that armor repairers also shuld repair strukture.
This ofcorse, can potetntioaly tunr EVE fleetbattles into WoW like "rez! Rez! heal! omfg HEALz0r plizz" game. But thats what devs want since they are so horny for remote repping
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Aloysius Knight
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Posted - 2006.04.15 15:19:00 -
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Originally by: Nifel It's fun to be smacked by my own alliance members :|. NOT...
If you guys had bothered to read up a bit you'd see I proposed a joint bonus for the minmatar carrier where it got a bonus of cap reduction needs required to run the remote reps/transfers that matched the reduction cycle bonus. I'd also like to see it boosted to 10% reduction per level for a nice 50% reduction in cycle time and cap needed to run the remote reps/transfers.
Next time... don't flame and spam so much but present a clear and consistent argument instead. Jeez...
well we can't but feel ****ed off over this
this should have never happend in the first place it really feels like the devs just slaped the carriers together to get RMR out, i remeber seeing that moive of the fanfest or what ever, with ovuer going "they will also have XL turrerts" oh look no turrets.
and also when you get morons going on about how "Good" the bonus is, tends to make me see red
we've also made many serjestions to fixing the bonus
bonus to drone tracking reducion in cap use for arrays reduction in cap use for cap arrays and cap reps increced jump range reduction in fuel use adding wep hard points ( hey we can dream right?)
id take any of them on the current bonus
there also needs to be changes in the way arrays work and instalocking of gangmates before u may see "medics" durring a fleet fight
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Pesadel0
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Posted - 2006.04.15 16:35:00 -
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Originally by: Scalor Valentis
Originally by: Pesadel0
Originally by: Kaylana Syi
Originally by: Scalor Valentis
Originally by: Aloysius Knight yeah would be nice, but no cares anyway
maybe in 2 years we'll get it fixed
yea, when 80% of eve carrier pilots will be flying thanathos.
Also, all sofar manufacored motherships are Nyxes... i wonder why
Let's all pull numbers out of our arse that are so hypothetical thy make baby jeebus cry.
kay do you really think that our opinions about the minie carrier are that far off?
Are you training for the minmatar carrier?And if soo for what advantage versus the other races ?
Actualy, kaylana is claiming that she owns one(minmatar), and "like the bonuses" etc.... and that just increases my doubht abaut her statements.
If you ask me, i think shes just trolling.
If that is the case then .
The devs will look into it but in a longggggggg time ,i mean just look at the phoon ..
Quote: If you guys had bothered to read up a bit you'd see I proposed a joint bonus for the minmatar carrier where it got a bonus of cap reduction needs required to run the remote reps/transfers that matched the reduction cycle bonus. I'd also like to see it boosted to 10% reduction per level for a nice 50% reduction in cycle time and cap needed to run the remote reps/transfers.
What is the remote armor transfer range?The Xlarge ones i mean common..
Quote: It's fun to be smacked by my own alliance members :|. NOT...
Well maybe because the trully minmatar pilots are tired of being the test race?Armor rep bonus to a carrier ?When all the races carriers got pretty bonus we were shafted with some kind of drunken experiment of the devs?ye rigth..
We should dance the kumbayala ,and drink quafe until we reach 90 years..
About them smaking ya ..I can smak ya if you want
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Kaylana Syi
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Posted - 2006.04.15 21:28:00 -
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Originally by: Scalor Valentis Edited by: Scalor Valentis on 15/04/2006 13:41:22
Originally by: Kaylana Syi
Originally by: Scalor Valentis
Originally by: Aloysius Knight yeah would be nice, but no cares anyway
maybe in 2 years we'll get it fixed
Now begone, troll.
Its easy to call someone a troll who is just trying to play devils advocate for people who might not agree with the way you are describing combat in EVE. What is said here is not the full picture yet you paint it like it is. So stfu and stop throwing names at people or you are the troll that can emote die m'kay?
Originally by: "Oveur" I don't react to threats any better than you do
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Kaylana Syi
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Posted - 2006.04.15 21:37:00 -
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Edited by: Kaylana Syi on 15/04/2006 21:42:03
Originally by: Pesadel0
Originally by: Kaylana Syi
Originally by: Scalor Valentis
Originally by: Aloysius Knight yeah would be nice, but no cares anyway
maybe in 2 years we'll get it fixed
yea, when 80% of eve carrier pilots will be flying thanathos.
Also, all sofar manufacored motherships are Nyxes... i wonder why
Let's all pull numbers out of our arse that are so hypothetical thy make baby jeebus cry.
kay do you really think that our opinions about the minie carrier are that far off?
Are you training for the minmatar carrier?And if soo for what advantage versus the other races ?
I have a Nidhoggur. 25 days until I can fly it because I trained up dread skills first for a naglfar. Will never use it like you all seem to say it needs to be used. Am training my 2nd account for an Archon and will never use it like you all claim they need to be used.
I don't think your oppinions are that far off in many cases, never said otherwise. I just don't think throwing out absolutes about EVE combat as well as hyperbolic future case scenarios isn't very productive when relaying ideas to the DEVs. Who is to say how the future holds, since obviosly not everyone will fly a Thanatos in a years time. Combat could easily change radically overnight and it is well on its way to another shift as it is.
Sure, if you can get another damage bonus or logistics bonus, or even a Shield Bonus akin to the Cyclone on it then more power to you. But kicking the devs in the box while they are fixing the game, gearing up Kali the true RMR patch, fixing my typhoon, and getting the Chineese servers up to generate more real life ISK just because a ship has a broken or lackluster bonus, however you feel about it... its just stupid.
Getting flamed and called a troll for tossing about a counter argument is pretty funny none the less.
Originally by: "Oveur" I don't react to threats any better than you do
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