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Chaotrach
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Posted - 2006.04.02 18:54:00 -
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We just want to go mining wit a BBC and a fitted Mining formant Link -Module.
But my friend has Mining director skill at level 5 and if he is in gang and activated his gang module, we haven¦t any effect on it!
Dose someone can confirm this effect?
It may a BUG, please CCP fix it !
With best regards
Chaotrach of the corporation F-S-I
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Hllaxiu
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Posted - 2006.04.02 20:17:00 -
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The module doesn't stack with the mining foreman skill. So you need for the effect to be more than 10% to supersede the mining foreman skill (Since you have it at 5). This means that at level 4 mining director and level 4 squadron command you get 1.2% yield above your mining foreman skill. In other words, its more or less useless unless you have a stupid number of miners there.
The recon operation module has the same issue btw... --- Our greatest glory is not in never failing, but in rising up every time we fail. - Emerson |
j0sephine
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Posted - 2006.04.03 05:48:00 -
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"The module doesn't stack with the mining foreman skill. So you need for the effect to be more than 10% to supersede the mining foreman skill"
Uhmm are you sure about it? The mining foreman skill and the mining gang modules sound like they're supposed to do different things rather than the same...
* mining foreman: increases basic yield amount. Say, modulated strip miner II has base yield of 360 ore units which gets increased by this skill
* mining foreman -- crystal module. increases the bonus provided by laser crystals. Say, veldspar mining crystal I has the yield modifier of 1.625 ... it's this number that should be affected by the foreman module. So the total yield should be: base amount * mining foreman skill * (mining crystal bonus * crystal module effect)
it's possible the original poster didn't see any effect because they were using regular mining lasers not equipped with mining crystals..? o.O;
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Hllaxiu
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Posted - 2006.04.03 14:31:00 -
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Edited by: Hllaxiu on 03/04/2006 14:31:25
Originally by: j0sephine "The module doesn't stack with the mining foreman skill. So you need for the effect to be more than 10% to supersede the mining foreman skill"
Uhmm are you sure about it? The mining foreman skill and the mining gang modules sound like they're supposed to do different things rather than the same...
* mining foreman: increases basic yield amount. Say, modulated strip miner II has base yield of 360 ore units which gets increased by this skill
* mining foreman -- crystal module. increases the bonus provided by laser crystals. Say, veldspar mining crystal I has the yield modifier of 1.625 ... it's this number that should be affected by the foreman module. So the total yield should be: base amount * mining foreman skill * (mining crystal bonus * crystal module effect)
it's possible the original poster didn't see any effect because they were using regular mining lasers not equipped with mining crystals..? o.O;
Been testing this out with having fitted a MDCMII, miner 2 and one of those modules fitted on a Brutix while in a gang. Doesn't do anything to either laser when I had mining director 3 (8.4% mod effectiveness) and barely effected anything with it at 4. Completely useless IMHO.
(See, theres a reason Khal calls me Hillabear ) --- Our greatest glory is not in never failing, but in rising up every time we fail. - Emerson |
j0sephine
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Posted - 2006.04.03 16:22:00 -
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"(See, theres a reason Khal calls me Hillabear )"
^,^ the only thing remotely related to mining that i do is hauling, so didn't have any first-hand info on it... the way you describe it, quite positive it sounds like a bug... as if, instead of each bonus using separate attribute to calculate its effect, they share it or something o.O;
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Chaotrach
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Posted - 2006.04.03 16:49:00 -
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It¦s good to see that it¦s not a user error
But it¦s a BUG and had to been fixed by CCP.
The module have a theoreticaly effect on mining lasers not on cristalls like before RMR patch.
------- Module Mining foreman link - Laser optimization
Increases mining lasers yield.
Foreman Links are dedicated mining operation systems designed to assist foremen in coordinating their operations. While only one of these units can normally be operated at any given time, certain advanced units allow the use of multiple systems.
Note: Gang effects don't stack. The strongest effect overrides all others. ------
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Hllaxiu
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Posted - 2006.04.03 18:19:00 -
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Edited by: Hllaxiu on 03/04/2006 18:22:18
Originally by: j0sephine "(See, theres a reason Khal calls me Hillabear )"
^,^ the only thing remotely related to mining that i do is hauling, so didn't have any first-hand info on it... the way you describe it, quite positive it sounds like a bug... as if, instead of each bonus using separate attribute to calculate its effect, they share it or something o.O;
Its a design problem... Theres several classes of modifiers in this game that have different rules on how they apply: 1. Skills - no stacking penalty 2. Positive Modules - stacking penalty 3. Negative Modules - seperate stacking penalty from positive 4. Gang modifiers - any and all personal items that effect an entire gang - only one effect period.
The gang modifiers category needs to be changed to "one skill + one module + one titan" or something like that from "one" - This could be a code change of a couple of characters to something a bit more complicated depending on how the game works. No matter what, it really should be looked at.
EDIT: On second thought, it can't be that clear cut because gang modifiers are subject to the stacking penalty. This causes the armor resistance leadership module to bring up resistances stupidly small amounts, and my leadership bonuses give ludicrously small effects to snipers... --- Our greatest glory is not in never failing, but in rising up every time we fail. - Emerson |
j0sephine
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Posted - 2006.04.03 20:37:00 -
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Gah, i was working from the item database module/skill descriptions ... and forgot the bonus on that foreman gang module was changed recently, but database wasn't updated after that. So guess the bonus on module got changed and it was overlooked it's the same with regular mining foreman skill. or something o.O;
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Hllaxiu
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Posted - 2006.04.04 19:47:00 -
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Originally by: j0sephine Gah, i was working from the item database module/skill descriptions ... and forgot the bonus on that foreman gang module was changed recently, but database wasn't updated after that. So guess the bonus on module got changed and it was overlooked it's the same with regular mining foreman skill. or something o.O;
Oddly enough, Tuxford said he changed it because the module wasn't working correctly. Guess what? It still isn't. --- Our greatest glory is not in never failing, but in rising up every time we fail. - Emerson |
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Tuxford
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Posted - 2006.04.05 20:08:00 -
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Thought I had already replied to that but here goes. Yes the module overrides the skill or vice versa depending on which gives the bigger bonus. I've already created kind of a work around by giving it bonus to laser "rof" instead of yield. _______________ |
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Menthal
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Posted - 2006.04.05 21:11:00 -
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stupid question, but here goes: howcome i don't see any difference to activation time duration, if the rof is influenced?
pretty yellow beams
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Tuxford
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Posted - 2006.04.05 21:14:00 -
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It was fixed after last patch so it simply isn't fixed on TQ yet _______________ |
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Hllaxiu
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Posted - 2006.04.05 21:44:00 -
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Originally by: Tuxford It was fixed after last patch so it simply isn't fixed on TQ yet
Any plans on fixing "information warfare link - recon operation"? It has the exact same problem. (Leadership skill) --- Our greatest glory is not in never failing, but in rising up every time we fail. - Emerson |
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Tuxford
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Posted - 2006.04.06 09:18:00 -
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Originally by: Hllaxiu
Originally by: Tuxford It was fixed after last patch so it simply isn't fixed on TQ yet
Any plans on fixing "information warfare link - recon operation"? It has the exact same problem. (Leadership skill)
iirc it was simply giving the wrong bonus or something. I'll have a look at that as well. _______________ |
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Menthal
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Posted - 2006.04.06 18:12:00 -
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thanx for the fast reply Tuxford. Now has anyone been on test server and tried it, what was its result? pretty yellow beams
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The Wizz117
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Posted - 2006.04.08 21:51:00 -
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Originally by: Menthal thanx for the fast reply Tuxford. Now has anyone been on test server and tried it, what was its result?
test server actualy working? ah im baned on it for being to lazy filling in bug reports ( seriouse) any way and ghe mod's wond reply my messages any way
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ThaHandy
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Posted - 2006.04.16 23:54:00 -
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your saying ive WASTING 2 weeks to learn mining director L4 and squad cmd. (atm learing to L4)? becouse that will add a stupid 1.2%? I've not yet used laser optimization so i can't test it for real.
I assumed it was going this way: mining foreman *((mining director*squadron command)* laseroptimation) = total extra bonus @ L5/L4/L4 = 1.10*((4*1.40)*2%)= 1.10*(5.6*2%) = 1.10*8.8% = 1.10*1.088 = 1.1968 = 19.68% and that I WAS LEARNING FOR
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Nee'kita Frist
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Posted - 2006.04.18 19:01:00 -
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Originally by: ThaHandy Edited by: ThaHandy on 16/04/2006 23:57:37 Edited by: ThaHandy on 16/04/2006 23:56:21 if its need to bo above the 10% your saying ive WASTING 2 weeks to learn mining director L4 and squad cmd. (atm learing to L4)? I've not yet used laser optimization so i can't test it for real.
I assumed it was going this way: mining foreman *((mining director*squadron command)* laseroptimation) = total extra bonus @ L5/L4/L4 = 1.10*((4*1.40)*2%)= 1.10*(5.6*2%) = 1.10*8.8% = 1.10*1.088 = 1.1968 = 19.68% and that I WAS LEARNING FOR
Yeah I was looking forward to this as well. Guess we'll be waiting little longer for it to work right.
Does anyone know/tested out if the Drone mod works and the Ice Mod? I was going to test out the ice one but some prats have moved into my ice mining system and I've had to move back to high sec for the mean time. --------------
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Comradical
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Posted - 2006.04.20 03:17:00 -
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Originally by: Tuxford Thought I had already replied to that but here goes. Yes the module overrides the skill or vice versa depending on which gives the bigger bonus. I've already created kind of a work around by giving it bonus to laser "rof" instead of yield.
When using the Command processor module(s) how do the Link(s) stack up?
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FFGR
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Posted - 2006.04.20 18:20:00 -
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There is no stacking
The one with the biggest digit overrides the others (you can have as many as you want of the same module online and running, but it has no point, since only 1 counts) _____________________________
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Nhaan
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Posted - 2006.05.22 12:49:00 -
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Is the RoF change going in with the patch tomorrow ? |
Hllaxiu
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Posted - 2006.05.22 16:10:00 -
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Originally by: Nhaan Is the RoF change going in with the patch tomorrow ?
Its not on SISI. --- Our greatest glory is not in never failing, but in rising up every time we fail. - Emerson |
BoinKlasik
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Posted - 2006.05.23 05:35:00 -
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Originally by: Hllaxiu
Originally by: Nhaan Is the RoF change going in with the patch tomorrow ?
Its not on SISI.
nor the patch notes, we lose over balances changes ofc :)
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Miss Overlord
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Posted - 2006.05.23 08:21:00 -
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mmmm something needs looking at perhaps giving it a specific ore yield or a sub class with a .5% boost to say veld or scordite. Just my suggestion tho
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Vladikov Orrico
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Posted - 2006.05.28 15:15:00 -
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Mining Foreman V Mining Director V
Mining Foreman Laser mod
With laser mod off noted gang mining cycle yield Turned laser mod on, waited 1 minute, noted no changes in gang mining cycle yield.
Turned laser mod off.
Plugged in Mining Foreman Mindlink
Waited 1 minute and noted gang mining cycle yeild - same as original yield (no difference) Turned on laser mod and there was a 12% (approx) raise in gang mining cycle yield.
gang member 1 - Yield went from 91 to 102 gang member 2 - Yield went from 113.3 to 126.6
End summary - The Mining Foreman Laser mod is definately broken. The Mining Foreman Mindlink seems to only give a bonus of any kind when you turn the broken Mining Foreman Laser mod on. It adds 12% bonus approx above and beyond the regular Mining Foreman skill bonus.
Hope this helps narrow down what may be wrong with the mod and implant.
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L4stMan Standing
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Posted - 2006.05.29 09:37:00 -
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Its just that those modules are defined as gang effect, and have to compare with skill bonus strentgh.. thats why ICE HARVESTING MODULES work perfect, they dont have any skill to compare with that cause duration go down.
DEV u need to redefine the module effects. Do not link the variable with the skill variable.
MODULE EFFECT ON If other EFFECT is found Define other effect
1 Skill or 2 Module
If 1 Add effect to your effect
If 2 Deactivate effect of yours, and/or activate effect of yours if 2 is lower effect than yours
:) of course the sccript isnt that easy :) but that base should fix the bug in words: Skills are no modules and therefor treated seperatly Modules are no skills and therefor treated seperatly
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MORRS
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Posted - 2006.05.31 17:33:00 -
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I would like to know why the the MINING FORMAN IMPLANT does not work or make any difference what so ever to the gang mining yield. Is this also a bug that needs to be fixed?
Mining forman 5 Director 5 I plug in implant and nothing changes
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Vladikov Orrico
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Posted - 2006.05.31 23:03:00 -
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Quote: I would like to know why the the MINING FORMAN IMPLANT does not work or make any difference what so ever to the gang mining yield. Is this also a bug that needs to be fixed?
I think the bug is with the Mining Foreman Link: Laser Optimization (check 2 posts above yours.)
I have verified that the Mining Foreman Mindlink implant DOES give it's 22.5% bonus when you have the Link:Laser Optimizzation running on a ship able to mount gang leadership modules. Without that gang leadership Link active the 22.5% drops down to the base 10% you get from the Mining Foreman skill alone.
Read my post 2 above yours and see if that answers any questions you have.
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