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Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1487
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Posted - 2011.11.09 20:10:00 -
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As we all know, it is becoming virtually impossible to source oxytopes anywhere in eve for anything less than a fuckgoons price. Oxytopes have solidly broken the 1000 barrier again today, with no indication it is doing anything but going up as goons continue to murder anyone who so much as looks at ice funny - and that now includes pathetic 0.0 alliances such as IRC who actually mine ice in 0.0.
Obviously, many foolish gallente tower owners bet they could ride out the storm, but at this point it's starting to become apparent that there is no oxytopes salvation: hell, few people even bother trying to resist in megatanked hulks anymore. It's just people in covetors hoping they're not worth suiciding (they are~) and untanked mackinaws that don't seem to understand why nobody is mining this fantastically valuble ice in highsec, a completely safe part of the EVE universe.
What market impacts will this have? |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1490
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Posted - 2011.11.09 20:37:00 -
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maybe you should check ice prices :sun: |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1490
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Posted - 2011.11.09 20:37:00 -
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gallente ice, that is |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1500
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Posted - 2011.11.10 04:42:00 -
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i'm glad to see you cunningly identified carbides as most affected by the ice interdiction and not as the one t2 reaction least likely to be affected
you certainly are not a one-trick pony when it comes to the moon mineral market and certainly not someone who doesn't know the first thing about it |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1500
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Posted - 2011.11.10 04:44:00 -
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my god man how do you keep all that knowledge in one head |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1500
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Posted - 2011.11.10 04:45:00 -
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also it is stunning you thought "hmm someone purchased lots of oxygen isotopes just before the goons started murdering everyone" and drawing the conclusion that goons were insider trading, figuring out it was that price spike that caused the damage |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1500
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Posted - 2011.11.10 13:30:00 -
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Jack Dant wrote:Akita T wrote:Carbides have the lowest (input materials cost / fuel cost) ratio of all advanced materials, and are therefore most affected percentage-wise by an increase in fuel prices, since fuel represents a greater percentage of their overall cost. Obviously, as an absolute amount of ISK per unit, the rest will be affected more, but as a PERCENTAGE, they won't. For a trader, the percentage difference is the most important one, not the price per unit difference. Except carbides also have the lowest volume output per hour. They take a bit over 8 days to fill an unbonused silo. Most people are fine with weekly maintenance, and it's cheaper to run 2 caldari towers than 3 gallente. So they aren't really exposed to gallente fuel prices. ding ding ding
gallente towers are the wise man's choice for reactor farms for anything but carbides: for carbides, caldari towers are more fuel-efficent without horrendous extra effort from emptying the things every day or two |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1500
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Posted - 2011.11.10 13:30:00 -
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Florestan Bronstein wrote:Via Shivon wrote:so 400 to 1200 is no success? lol you made nice profit when the price did spike - but keeping the price at a high level after you have presumably unloaded your own stock (see kugu thread) is a lot of work for no reward. Making some other isotope (and then another, and then another) spike would probably be more profitable. there is never "enough" success or profit. some men just want to watch the galaxy burn, mr. bronstein |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1502
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Posted - 2011.11.10 17:57:00 -
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Esan Vartesa wrote:Monopolists fail to grasp concept of alternative goods.
News at 11.
the very idea of someone spending all day tearing down a reactor farm and replacing it makes me all tingly inside
i mean i've made people angry enough to quit the game but i've never inflicted that level of griefing |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1503
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Posted - 2011.11.10 19:15:00 -
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yes, the monkeys flinging poo may still be monkeys, but it beats being the monkeys on the recieving end of the poo
you see, they're both monkeys, and covered in poo |
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Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1503
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Posted - 2011.11.10 19:16:00 -
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and boy are you ever covered in poo |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1503
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Posted - 2011.11.10 21:26:00 -
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for starters because its hilarious seeing everyone in here who bought up caldari isotopes assuming we'd hit them next take a loss |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1503
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Posted - 2011.11.10 21:28:00 -
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also since most pubbies do not "get" effort-based moneymaking metrics their flawed setups tend more to using caldari towers for fibers, phenolic composites, and fullerides rather than using gallente for carbides |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1505
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Posted - 2011.11.10 22:20:00 -
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protip if you want to hide that your screenshot is in dodixie 9-20 Federation Navy Assembly Plant, do a better job redacting |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1515
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Posted - 2011.11.10 23:02:00 -
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Esan Vartesa wrote:The Mittani wrote:I'm not sure what I enjoy more, making thousands of industrialists suffer, making thousands of miners suffer, or watching the pseudointellectuals in MD bleat about how nothing we're doing is having an impact. Sometimes I get the impression that the Goons are far, far too proud of themselves for, you know, participating in a game like everybody else. "Dude! Did you see how I moved my rook?! I'm so awesome! I've redefined the game of chess forevah!!" Bravo. You made some numbers in a database change. Now go start another thread about it.
and by changing a few numbers in a database we unleashed a torrent of rage unseen in eve for years
that's pretty pr0, you try doing that by changing numbers in a database |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1532
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Posted - 2011.11.11 20:12:00 -
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Tahna Rouspel wrote:Who cares if you gank Covetor, they're worth only a couple of millions and they mine 3/4 of a mackinaw. Covetors are disposable and pay for themselves quickly.
Just admit defeat already. those covetors...slipping through our blockade...nooooooooooo
wonder why the price is still skyrocketing |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1547
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Posted - 2011.11.12 15:16:00 -
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Masamune Dekoro wrote:Weaselior wrote:protip if you want to hide that your screenshot is in dodixie 9-20 Federation Navy Assembly Plant, do a better job redacting actually I think he was trying to conceal his choice of OS. ahh that makes sense |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1547
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Posted - 2011.11.12 16:46:00 -
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Scrapyard Bob wrote:Sephiroth CloneIIV wrote: Lot of stockpiles may exist but that is also weighed against consumption. If every player and his mother were still having gallente POS's burning fuel for moon material reactions for weeks after this ongoing fiasco, in addition to current use of gallente capitals that's going to burn into the supply. Doesn't matter how much you got, if demand of countless POS's and capitals is burning into supply like crazy.
Prices decreased a bit only because stockpiles were released. But ingoing supply is still dead, with demand still very strong so long term who knows how much it will rise. The carrier and super of choice is gallente, so that will not help, along with the ORE ships that use it.
The choice of oxygen was a very strategic choice, also, to end the siege of it would bring things back to normal, why would they ever want that. If they got the power to blockade all empire ice then they could consider that, but no reason to yield on the oxygen isotopes.
Anyone smart should have switched out gallente POS's a while ago to ammar, bite the 100% storage bonus for 50%. But yea....... this is long term, could get worse.
Which goes back to the original question. How big are the stockpiles and how long will Goons have to keep up this (rather boring) interdiction of all of the ice fields in Gallente space? (And Oxytope prices have been flat-lined at 900-1050 ISK/u for a few weeks now, hardly a "skyrocket".) Some people predicted skyrocketing prices within a week or two (didn't really happen, most of that was market manipulation & speculation). Others predict 2-3 months at a minimum. There's also the strong possibility that large industrial folks, being somewhat paranoid about supply and probably swimming in ISK, keep 6-12 months of fuel on-hand in order to ride out bumps in the market or supply chain.
oxytopes jumped to 1300 today :sun: |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1559
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Posted - 2011.11.12 20:43:00 -
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what has been done is to take one of the most commonly used items in eve and triple the value (so far), eliminating the viability of an entire race of pos and robbing anyone who uses an entire race of capital ships for untold billions
and has the potential to basically empty jita of oxytopes unless the current market thinning thread reverses dramatically
this is a market manipulation of such unprecedented size and scope a new word will have to be created for it: a market manipulation is when you take a minor market and move it 10% for a short time
this is to market manipulation as fat man is to a grenade |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1559
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Posted - 2011.11.12 21:05:00 -
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i think the 'goons won't follow through' train sailed somewhere before week 5 of constant interdiction |
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Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1561
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Posted - 2011.11.12 22:08:00 -
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JitaJane wrote:Lord Zim wrote:I'd just like to point out how hilarious it is to watch people sell oxytopes at 100 below the first old sell order. Apparently lots of pubbies don't understand the fact that it will sell, and selling 2m units at a 100 isk surcharge is basically just scamming themselves out of 200m isk.
Oh well, thanks guys. This happens in many markets. Build a spreadsheet. Earn iskies....
ahahahahah look at this moron it thinks its people |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1561
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Posted - 2011.11.12 22:54:00 -
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but seriously that was the most ******** thing posted in this thread so far go sit in the corner with your dunce cap |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1570
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Posted - 2011.11.14 16:32:00 -
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March rabbit wrote:Lord Zim wrote:What about the people running around with gallente carriers, dreads, supercarriers and titans? after i got my Thanny i bought some amount of fuel. It's like 100-200k of isotopes.... Still using this amount....
yeah but most people actually jump theirs around instead of sanctuming 24/7, you see sanctuming 24/7 doesn't burn fuel |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1570
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Posted - 2011.11.14 16:32:00 -
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March rabbit wrote:then i will buy it from our miners. Or mine by myself... Just for fun. don't worry: ISKies will not leave this corp i think i will need more fuel in like 3-4 months.....
you actually suggested mining for fun holy jesus |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1571
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Posted - 2011.11.14 18:05:00 -
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trance atlas wrote:Elise DarkStar wrote:trance atlas wrote:sell capital ready char and capital ship
buy cheaper amarr capital pilot
buy helium topes *thinks he's clever* *doesn't notice massive flaw in his logic* *is this ^ ******** is the flaw lack of bullet points and number 3 being ?????? profit edit if i was "trying" to be clever why would i post a flawless idea? your like a bad troll/ bad posting me who posts bad and cant troll who posts
no theres a p. massive problem in your proposal that anyone with a brain can see easily |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1571
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Posted - 2011.11.14 18:09:00 -
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also update: as of this morning prices have stablized (for now) around 1250, while the total on the market is ~1/3rd of that of nitrotopes (which I am using as a comparison to a healthy market), at 83m units, up from 53m. this is approximately 3 days supply based on the lowest reasonable estimate of daily use
this is largely the result of a massive drain of all oxytopes from other regions being drawn into jita and relisted; there is little indication of speculative stockpiles appearing
also the brape ice field was littered with WOOTINATOR wrecks this weekend
~~wootles~~ |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1571
|
Posted - 2011.11.14 18:11:00 -
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Sizeof Void wrote:JitaJane wrote:Elise DarkStar wrote:People are failing to grasp the greater significance of the first successful and sustained act of market terrorism. First? Every time you see a merc corp contracted to harsh an indy corp it is likely because they stepped on someone's margins. This might count as the loudest most obvious example..... Far indeed from the first, and many have been running now for several years - but the most successful market manipulators aren't foolish enough to brag in public about what they are doing. And, in any case, this attempt can only be classified as loud, not successful. PVPers define success in terms of ships destroyed or tears generated, but they just don't get the fact that, in the markets, success is measured by how much ISK you actually made, not how much ISK you managed to destroy or prevent someone else from making. I'm sure that the Goons will also claim to have made hundreds of billions of ISK, but just a quick look at the markets shows that most of their sell orders are still up and moving glacier slow. A noob monopolist mistake, but, hopefully, they will learn and do better next time.
yes, many goonswarm orders at absolutely hilarious prices are still on the market
and they're probably going to sell this weekend as random goonswarm members who have no idea what a market manipulation is make more money off one trade than you do in months~~~ |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1571
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Posted - 2011.11.14 18:14:00 -
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also "most sucessful market manipulators" are tiny gnats pleased when they move a middling market 5% flitting around as we stomp one of the most traded markets in eve into rubble and triple the price so far in a raw exercise of power
your pathetic demand-based manipulation attempts have nothing on the raw power of a supply interdiction |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1571
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Posted - 2011.11.14 18:15:00 -
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you are blowing up that mountain all wrong, as you can see by my advanced 'moving a pile of sand while only eating most of it' skills |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1571
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Posted - 2011.11.14 18:16:00 -
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and suggesting that secrecy is valuble in a supply interdiction based on terror intimidation and destruction is priceless |
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Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1571
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Posted - 2011.11.14 18:55:00 -
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regrettably your analysis has been full of easily-debunked holes, I was hoping for analysis that could not be disproven within seconds |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1571
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Posted - 2011.11.14 19:36:00 -
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"operate at a loss" is a dumb idea, you would need to expend significant effort to turn valuble fuel into less valuble things
you could argue these pos farm owners have stockpiles, but that's just not understanding oppurtunity cost (and to be fair, that's possible, eve players are idiots) |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1571
|
Posted - 2011.11.14 19:53:00 -
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thick blue ice produces 350 isotopes, up from 300 in highsec
this is...not a lot... as a bonus for mining in 0.0
what that compares to mining arknor (or, perhaps more relevantly, mining industry upgrade mining sites) or drone region sanctuming is another :effort: question |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1571
|
Posted - 2011.11.14 19:54:00 -
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Elise DarkStar wrote:My guess is that you'll see people shut down their gallente reaction farms first in hopes of waiting it out. I imagine people would rather sit on their hands for a month and hope than tear down and rebuild their farms right away. It should be close enough to the winter "expansion" with its anchoring changes that people will just wait for that.
The key number is when mining thick blue in nullsec becomes more profitable than mining whatever people do now ("ABCs", I believe). gallente reactor farms shutting down is precisely the goal we're aiming for. It was not exaggeration when I said earlier that tearing down and redeploying a reactor farm is pretty much the height of griefing: you are in for a miserable day of space work and potentially several |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1571
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Posted - 2011.11.14 20:30:00 -
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that precise uncertainty about when we will go "ok we're bored" is a wonderful asset: it blocks planning for the future and increases the information edge we hold about future economic swings as a result of the interdiction, increasing our ability to profit |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1571
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Posted - 2011.11.14 20:40:00 -
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Bernard Schuyler wrote:Krios Ahzek wrote:Bernard Schuyler wrote: Although if PLEX prices keep going up, you may see the dedicated simply tack the fuel costs onto their subscription fees. Gas prices are high enough in the real world, I can't see why someone would use real money to pay for overpriced space fuel too. Clearly you have not heard. Internet spaceships is serious business. But seriously... People flip PLEX all the time... Some might buy pimped out T3s... surely some do it to fuel POSes after a cash flow problem. i have little respect for the intelligence of the common pubbie but I find it unlikely even the common pubbie will take real money and turn it into space money, so he can take that space money and with a great deal of effort turn that space money into less space money |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1571
|
Posted - 2011.11.14 20:40:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote:Bernard Schuyler wrote:Doesn't the fact that it is only Oxytopes suggest that there will be a limit eventually where people will just switch over to different ships, towers, etc? Oh dear, are you saying we might turn nyxes and erebuses into space tombs forever destined to do nothing but do sanctums because they're literally too expensive to move, and they can't be reprocessed? My, that would just be dreadful. my nyx is mothballed so I can use my nyx pilot to gank ice miners :XD: |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1571
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Posted - 2011.11.14 20:43:00 -
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the breakdown is here: http://killboard.goonfleet.com/shrugged.html |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1571
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Posted - 2011.11.14 20:44:00 -
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the purpose can be gleened from the updates posted at kugu, regrettably I cannot link those here due to :cco: |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1572
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Posted - 2011.11.14 21:03:00 -
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i have no problem believing idiots will spend real money to buy isk, i'm just not seeing them valuing running a reaction farm so much to pay real money for the priviledge of some of the least fun parts of the game without even turning a space money profit |
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Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1572
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Posted - 2011.11.14 21:14:00 -
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the question is essentially "do I mothball the farm for a month, or do I convert it to caldari"
mothballing the farm is relatively painless and your potential losses aren't that big since pos mods are cheap |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1616
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Posted - 2011.11.16 15:11:00 -
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Hero Tackler wrote:Nobody cares.
i regret to inform you that people care, very deeply :sun:
including you, my surly friend :sun: |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1617
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Posted - 2011.11.16 19:08:00 -
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Whyumadtho wrote:OllieNorth wrote:Whyumadtho wrote:Posting to confirm that internet spaceships are serious business.
Also posting to confirm that standard 4chan rules apply to OP. This post was informative and insightful. I would like to subscribe to your newsletter. This whole thread is just goonswarm stroking their epeen. Sorry to interrupt... continue stroking. we need no encouragement |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1617
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Posted - 2011.11.17 00:10:00 -
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Khadmos wrote:Elise DarkStar wrote:My guess is that you'll see people shut down their gallente reaction farms first in hopes of waiting it out. I imagine people would rather sit on their hands for a month and hope than tear down and rebuild their farms right away. It should be close enough to the winter "expansion" with its anchoring changes that people will just wait for that.
The key number is when mining thick blue in nullsec becomes more profitable than mining whatever people do now ("ABCs", I believe). I find it hilarious that high sec players think anyone in 0.0 mines. Even at the current prices of oxygen isotopes I make 10x more running anomalies and deadspace complexes. people do mine ice in 0.0
specifically IRC but to put that in perspective they lost an anomoly running hel today which is three separate levels of failing |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1622
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Posted - 2011.11.17 03:53:00 -
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you're not even a good liar |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1622
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Posted - 2011.11.17 03:53:00 -
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for shame |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1622
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Posted - 2011.11.17 03:58:00 -
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travis let me show you how to lie:
travis is an excellent poster and his burns seriously hurt my pride and do not at all cause me to snicker at the pubbie who thinks its people |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1671
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Posted - 2011.11.18 15:43:00 -
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JitaJane wrote:This thing still here? Take note the economic repercussions were so dire that nobody in MD bothered to notice it until some goon put up a thread to stroke to with his fellow goons. Pretty sure this encapsulates the total effect. Troll on you crazy diamonds.... im not sure why you think thats positive for md and negative for us instead of the other way around |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1671
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Posted - 2011.11.18 15:45:00 -
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"md did not notice the biggest market event of 2011 until goons glued a poster of it to their eyeballs, because MD is a group of people who understand the eve economy" |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1677
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Posted - 2011.11.18 17:20:00 -
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indeedily its great fun trolling for 'silly goonies your campaign is failing' responses as i try to figure out how many days until jita is out of gallente ice completely |
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Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1677
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Posted - 2011.11.18 17:20:00 -
[51] - Quote
you might say i'm feeding you rope to hang yourselves |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1682
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Posted - 2011.11.19 17:20:00 -
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RAW23 wrote: (Weaselior posts more on MD (221 posts) than in any other eve forum except GD).
the eveo forums exist only to whip pubbies; proper eve forums are kugu and goonfleet.com
i have more posts on the eve thread on SA alone than here |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1689
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Posted - 2011.11.20 14:09:00 -
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Lyris Nairn wrote:Akita T wrote:Tahna Rouspel wrote:Winter patch is coming. They have better things to do now than gank ice miners. Is that your way of saying "Winter is coming. There will be plenty of ice soon." perhaps ? Goons have ADD. The patch that is coming in Winter will release fun new ships. Ice interdiction, like the Delve freeport invasion, is just an attempt to keep bored pilots logging into a boring game. As soon as the Winter patch hits, Interdiction will probably pause for at least a little while in efforts to fly the new ships in new and fun ways. such as ganking with the new t3 ships which are great for ganking |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1699
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Posted - 2011.11.21 15:01:00 -
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"blowing up static structures that don't complain seems like the most fun thing goons can do"
"i enjoy eating paint chips" |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1699
|
Posted - 2011.11.21 15:03:00 -
[55] - Quote
Callduron wrote: So I expect the policy of interdicting ice to continue but the amount of attacks to decline. Especially since a lot of the ganking seems to have been done by senior people (Mittens, Weaselior). Then you'll do a few nights ganking at some future point when you need a break from sov war.
we sort of cheated: since we planned the whole thing we were ready to begin as soon as we started (and had been testing fits and strategies for a few days beforehand) so we were able to rack up a shitton of kills while all the bots didn't know what was going on
you could rack up kill streaks with ease then that are virtually impossible now |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1699
|
Posted - 2011.11.21 16:39:00 -
[56] - Quote
people have claimed that before, trying (poorly) to manipulate the price down
don't waste your energy stockpilers who are still holding at this point aren't going to be spooked by noname alt #56345 claiming massive mining is going on once again |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1699
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Posted - 2011.11.21 18:10:00 -
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the people who try to tank and fail are by far the most fun
i had one guy who stuck 100m worth of faction hardeners on his mack and had tons of repping support
except he left a big EM hole in his fit so I alphaed him with EMP, scooped the wreck, and wooted irl
alphaing miners owns im gonna buy myself a tornado bpo and do it all day every day |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1699
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Posted - 2011.11.21 18:11:00 -
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the faction hardener that dropped paid for my apoc by itself |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1699
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Posted - 2011.11.21 18:14:00 -
[59] - Quote
seriously you can see how much effort the guy put in when you alpha him and can just feel the smug radiating out and them his ship just vanishes
no damage, no notification, no nothing: just in a ship one second and a pod the next wondering what the hell just happened and then where that wreck named "WOOTINATOR PRIME" came from ~15s later about 20km away |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1699
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Posted - 2011.11.21 23:18:00 -
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Sephiroth CloneIIV wrote:do you have a alt to alpha the pod right after the ship blows up?
no, I should do that - to pod people I try to warp to my orca, grab a thrasher, and warp back, but the long lag time between when I alpha someone and my apoc dies means they'll usually warp out in time |
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Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1700
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Posted - 2011.11.22 15:26:00 -
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flakeys wrote: Killed 8 macks and their pods at one go about a year back solo , all you need is a smartbomb bs.
Bloating about killing a defenseless ship and then even only taking one at a time , really weaselidiot you can do better i am sure.
yeah that's fun too but sadly we murderized all those already |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1700
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Posted - 2011.11.22 15:28:00 -
[62] - Quote
the alphapoc however simply has panache that no other ship can match
hello worthless scum watch me throw away an entire t2 fit bs just to kill you in style |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1700
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Posted - 2011.11.22 15:29:00 -
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the lower classes lack an appreciation for the fine art of classy conspicuious consumption |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.11.23 14:08:00 -
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Nomad I wrote:Gallente towers are on the way to be out of game Because It's takes only 3 weeks of training for another racial JF, the Anshar will be nothing more than a piece in a museum. What I don't understand the amounts of oxygen isotopes sold relative high despite the low cost to replace gallente towers.
one does not just trade in a nyx fleet for a hel fleet
also the cost of replacing towers isn't isk |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1716
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Posted - 2011.11.23 14:49:00 -
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Akita T wrote:Weaselior wrote:also the cost of replacing towers isn't isk Considering they're drastically reducing POS fiddling times in the expansion next week...
yeah once crucible hits I imagine we'll see a lot more people willing to bite that bullet |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1716
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Posted - 2011.11.23 19:33:00 -
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Akita T wrote:Weaselior wrote:Akita T wrote:Weaselior wrote:also the cost of replacing towers isn't isk Considering they're drastically reducing POS fiddling times in the expansion next week... yeah once crucible hits I imagine we'll see a lot more people willing to bite that bullet So... barely broke 1.4k (with 2.3k being the "ok, that really worked" level) after how many weeks of interdiction combined with heavy market buyouts (overall end-of-process profitability of which being somewhat questionable), one barrier to switching gone in a week, possible shifting attention from interdiction to less boring stuff thanks to the new things appearing in the expansion next week... what exactly do you think that spells for the future of oxytopes ? To me it certainly does NOT spell "continued and constant price increase from now on for a good while". In fact, I may go as far as say it almost smells like an impending price crash. Disagree ? Yes/No ? Why ?
because I, unlike you, have been monitoring stockpile levels
you, like most of EVE, have never seen a supply side market manipulation and you're unable to grasp how it works; this isn't something where the price just crashes: supply is far below demand, and what we see is depletion of stockpiles at various demand levels
your poor analysis can be spotted from your idea that 'heavy market buyouts' are part of the interdiction; they're not. they're just a way to profit off it, as the stockpiles go back on the market and still need to be burned off; this sort of basic error is part and parcel of your importing demand-side market manipulation principles and not understanding the difference
we will run jita out of oxygen isotopes entirely; the important number isn't the price. the important number is the amount of isotopes on the market
oxytopes will never be 2.3k, and you can see that if you actually look at supply: supply is clustered around 2k and once it punches through this, the last remaining major stockpile (pulled from all over eve as people spot an arbitrage opportunity) and will soar above it because ice is tremendously ineleastic |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1716
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Posted - 2011.11.23 19:35:00 -
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as a worthless highsec pubbie, im sure you're unfamilar with the concept of a cap fleet |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1716
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Posted - 2011.11.23 19:40:00 -
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as a case study, an alliance friendly to goonswarm - who had been notified about the campaign in advance and was able to procure their own stockpiles - has run out
imagine everyone else, who didn't know this was coming, who bet on goonswarm being too add to engage in a multi-month campaign: if our nameless blue alliance didn't have enough stockpiles they sure as hell didn't |
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