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Jessica Cartier
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.11.19 20:16:00 -
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So, what's going on? The interdiction seems to be stumbling. Yesterday, ice miners were all over Gallente ice fields in Everyshore. I checked 6 systems, and only saw one GoonWaffe pilot - and the miners in that system returned in force shortly after he docked up after his kill. The killboard shows only 6 kills for the day, but I saw at least 30 macks happily mining away. And, over the past two weeks, there have often been less than a dozen Goon pilots posting kills on miners on any given day.
C'mon, guys! Don't fumble it now! |
Tahna Rouspel
BWE Special Forces Rage Alliance
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Posted - 2011.11.20 04:39:00 -
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Winter patch is coming. They have better things to do now than gank ice miners. |
Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
378
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Posted - 2011.11.20 05:09:00 -
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Tahna Rouspel wrote:Winter patch is coming. They have better things to do now than gank ice miners. Is that your way of saying "Winter is coming. There will be plenty of ice soon." perhaps ?
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Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4619
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Posted - 2011.11.20 05:30:00 -
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Akita T wrote:Tahna Rouspel wrote:Winter patch is coming. They have better things to do now than gank ice miners. Is that your way of saying "Winter is coming. There will be plenty of ice soon." perhaps ? Goons have ADD. The patch that is coming in Winter will release fun new ships. Ice interdiction, like the Delve freeport invasion, is just an attempt to keep bored pilots logging into a boring game. As soon as the Winter patch hits, Interdiction will probably pause for at least a little while in efforts to fly the new ships in new and fun ways. Sky Captain of Your Heart; Lyris Chronicles of Narnia in the World of Tomorrow's Goonfleet dot Com; Good Poster Extraordinaire and Spacebook Superstar : RIFTERSWARM Theta Squad : Best Squad |
Raven Ether
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2011.11.20 08:33:00 -
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There's plenty of blue ice, if you know where to look. Farther than any goon would dare venture. |
Claire Voyant
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Posted - 2011.11.20 11:49:00 -
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Weaselior wrote:"md did not notice the biggest market event of 2011 until goons glued a poster of it to their eyeballs, because MD is a group of people who understand the eve economy" The people of MD and the MD forum are two very different things. I can assure you that many denizens of MD considered oxytopes "old news" long before the goons ever started posting in the forum,and long before most goons knew what was happening.
The forum is for public notices of investment offerings, long-winded arguments, and blatant manipulation attempts. Very little market intelligence is to found on the forum. |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1689
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Posted - 2011.11.20 14:09:00 -
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Lyris Nairn wrote:Akita T wrote:Tahna Rouspel wrote:Winter patch is coming. They have better things to do now than gank ice miners. Is that your way of saying "Winter is coming. There will be plenty of ice soon." perhaps ? Goons have ADD. The patch that is coming in Winter will release fun new ships. Ice interdiction, like the Delve freeport invasion, is just an attempt to keep bored pilots logging into a boring game. As soon as the Winter patch hits, Interdiction will probably pause for at least a little while in efforts to fly the new ships in new and fun ways. such as ganking with the new t3 ships which are great for ganking |
Callduron
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Posted - 2011.11.20 15:11:00 -
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Blowing up POCOs seems like a much more interesting way to annoy industrialists and I doubt the Goon rank and file will want to suicide in their shiny new T3 Battlecruisers early on when they're not easy to replace. I imagine your guys will prefer to go roaming Nullsec in battlecruiser fleers.
On the other hand the cost in isk of running your gallente ice interdiction is negligible, it provides an extra avenue by which your members can entertain themselves and in many cases people will have an alt for nullsec and an alt for ice ganking and uncertainty doesn't hurt the effect.
So I expect the policy of interdicting ice to continue but the amount of attacks to decline. Especially since a lot of the ganking seems to have been done by senior people (Mittens, Weaselior). Then you'll do a few nights ganking at some future point when you need a break from sov war.
So I imagine oxytopes will become a little cheaper when the expansion hits, partly because of the seesaw effect with PI materials and partly because of Goons being busy but then will rise over the longer term. |
Claire Voyant
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Posted - 2011.11.20 19:44:00 -
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Callduron wrote:Blowing up POCOs seems like a much more interesting way to annoy industrialists and I doubt the Goon rank and file will want to suicide in their shiny new T3 Battlecruisers early on when they're not easy to replace. I stopped reading at this point. |
Jessica Cartier
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.11.20 23:36:00 -
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Lyris Nairn wrote:Ice interdiction, like the Delve freeport invasion, is just an attempt to keep bored pilots logging into a boring game. As soon as the Winter patch hits, Interdiction will probably pause for at least a little while in efforts to fly the new ships in new and fun ways. Really? So, you are saying that the interdiction actually really is only a short-term event, like Hulkageddon, and may fade away after the Winter patch, then, as GoonWaffe piliots find more fun things to do? :P
If so, then I think that the ace kamikazes, incl. Weaselior and esp. Atrum Veneficus, really should be seeing a bigger slice of the profits from this little scam... er, I mean, venture. |
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Callduron
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Posted - 2011.11.21 14:22:00 -
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Claire Voyant wrote:Callduron wrote:Blowing up POCOs seems like a much more interesting way to annoy industrialists and I doubt the Goon rank and file will want to suicide in their shiny new T3 Battlecruisers early on when they're not easy to replace. I stopped reading at this point.
How fascinating.
Do post again sometime. |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1699
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Posted - 2011.11.21 15:01:00 -
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"blowing up static structures that don't complain seems like the most fun thing goons can do"
"i enjoy eating paint chips" |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1699
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Posted - 2011.11.21 15:03:00 -
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Callduron wrote: So I expect the policy of interdicting ice to continue but the amount of attacks to decline. Especially since a lot of the ganking seems to have been done by senior people (Mittens, Weaselior). Then you'll do a few nights ganking at some future point when you need a break from sov war.
we sort of cheated: since we planned the whole thing we were ready to begin as soon as we started (and had been testing fits and strategies for a few days beforehand) so we were able to rack up a shitton of kills while all the bots didn't know what was going on
you could rack up kill streaks with ease then that are virtually impossible now |
Roywyn Kolkor
Greenthumb Enterprises
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Posted - 2011.11.21 16:18:00 -
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Vaurent, misneden, and a shitton of other systems filling up with people in macks who apparently don't give a damn :D Go go industrialists! brb, mining blue ice in deninard |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1699
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Posted - 2011.11.21 16:39:00 -
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people have claimed that before, trying (poorly) to manipulate the price down
don't waste your energy stockpilers who are still holding at this point aren't going to be spooked by noname alt #56345 claiming massive mining is going on once again |
Roywyn Kolkor
Greenthumb Enterprises
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Posted - 2011.11.21 17:02:00 -
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Just been lurking more then posting. But it's not just a claim, was cruising around all the icebelt systems and just noticing that miners have gone out to do their stuff in a massive amount again. Don't get me wrong, what you are doing is brilliant but I can not imagine you holding up 23/7 in ALL belts ALL the time ? |
L1m9n1663r
The Treehugger Corp
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Posted - 2011.11.21 18:04:00 -
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Roywyn Kolkor wrote:Just been lurking more then posting. But it's not just a claim, was cruising around all the icebelt systems and just noticing that miners have gone out to do their stuff in a massive amount again. Don't get me wrong, what you are doing is brilliant but I can not imagine you holding up 23/7 in ALL belts ALL the time ?
First off all, the miners that mine now, and are not blown up, are tanked to hell and back. They have removed one low-slot mining-gank module. They use Scimitar/Basilisk or BS Medics. There are even some hulks out there with more than 30K EHP set up to farm killmails.
And even if, there at one time is 50 macks mining blue ice, that is what USED to be within 1 jump of Tolle alone. |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1699
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Posted - 2011.11.21 18:10:00 -
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the people who try to tank and fail are by far the most fun
i had one guy who stuck 100m worth of faction hardeners on his mack and had tons of repping support
except he left a big EM hole in his fit so I alphaed him with EMP, scooped the wreck, and wooted irl
alphaing miners owns im gonna buy myself a tornado bpo and do it all day every day |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1699
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Posted - 2011.11.21 18:11:00 -
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the faction hardener that dropped paid for my apoc by itself |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1699
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Posted - 2011.11.21 18:14:00 -
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seriously you can see how much effort the guy put in when you alpha him and can just feel the smug radiating out and them his ship just vanishes
no damage, no notification, no nothing: just in a ship one second and a pod the next wondering what the hell just happened and then where that wreck named "WOOTINATOR PRIME" came from ~15s later about 20km away |
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Sephiroth CloneIIV
Vitriol Ventures BLACK-MARK
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Posted - 2011.11.21 22:27:00 -
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do you have a alt to alpha the pod right after the ship blows up? |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1699
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Posted - 2011.11.21 23:18:00 -
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Sephiroth CloneIIV wrote:do you have a alt to alpha the pod right after the ship blows up?
no, I should do that - to pod people I try to warp to my orca, grab a thrasher, and warp back, but the long lag time between when I alpha someone and my apoc dies means they'll usually warp out in time |
Trelo Aumer
The Ironmongery
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Posted - 2011.11.21 23:51:00 -
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Weaselior wrote:Sephiroth CloneIIV wrote:do you have a alt to alpha the pod right after the ship blows up? no, I should do that - to pod people I try to warp to my orca, grab a thrasher, and warp back, but the long lag time between when I alpha someone and my apoc dies means they'll usually warp out in time I guess you could try switching from an apoc to a tempest with lots of webs/tps in the mids so you can hit at point-blank range and then have dual smartbombs in the utility highs to get the pod. |
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
98
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Posted - 2011.11.22 00:45:00 -
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Can you guys please get it to a point where it is prohibitively expensive for highsec corps and alliances to maintain POS towers, partularly large towers. Every two bit industrial corp seems to have a dickstar these days. |
Koronakesh
Seekers of a Silent Paradise
31
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Posted - 2011.11.22 04:11:00 -
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Vimsy Vortis wrote:Can you guys please get it to a point where it is prohibitively expensive for highsec corps and alliances to maintain POS towers, partularly large towers. Every two bit industrial corp seems to have a dickstar these days. Sadly, this is only part of the problem, since there's still no way for it to be unanchored nonconsensually. Coming across a dozen offline Shadow / DG large towers and not being able to scoop them is rather.... frustrating. Amir al-Mu'minin of the Seekers of a Silent Paradise and Sr. Banker of EVE Online Hold'Em |
Jessica Cartier
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2011.11.22 05:22:00 -
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Weaselior wrote:the people who try to tank and fail are by far the most fun i had one guy who stuck 100m worth of faction hardeners on his mack and had tons of repping support except he left a big EM hole in his fit so I alphaed him with EMP, scooped the wreck, and wooted irl alphaing miners owns im gonna buy myself a tornado bpo and do it all day every day I'll vouch for this idiocy. I watched one moron go down with Domination hardeners this past weekend.
Faction fitting a mining ship as a defense against suicide ganking has to rank up there as one of the dumbest things you can do in Eve.
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Jessica Cartier
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2011.11.22 06:08:00 -
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Roywyn Kolkor wrote:Just been lurking more then posting. But it's not just a claim, was cruising around all the icebelt systems and just noticing that miners have gone out to do their stuff in a massive amount again. Don't get me wrong, what you are doing is brilliant but I can not imagine you holding up 23/7 in ALL belts ALL the time ? I saw the same thing, so, sadly, this isn't just an idle claim. GoonWaffe aces - like Weaselior - are inflicting massive damage, but the few active kamikazes can't be everywhere, all of the time. Unfortunately, there is no way to track exactly how many miners are slipping through the interdiction. But, the interdiction would certainly benefit by more coverage, ie. more pilots stationed in shifts in all of the ice systems, rather than just a couple of pilots trying to cover multiple systems all day long.
L1m9n1663r wrote: First off all, the miners that mine now, and are not blown up, are tanked to hell and back. They have removed one low-slot mining-gank module. They use Scimitar/Basilisk or BS Medics. There are even some hulks out there with more than 30K EHP set up to farm killmails.
As for tanking against suicide ganking, that's just plain stupid. You can't tank any mining ship against a dozen or more gank-fit BC's, even with faction hardeners, logi support, gang links, fleet boosters, combat boosters, hardwirings, etc.
And trying to farm killmails using a Hulk? This has to be a joke. Have you heard of ship scanners? The Goons have. Your 30K EHP Hulk is going to be on a killmail, for sure, but only as the lmao victim.
The only mining ships which are not being blown up are the ones which GTFO. Most of the mining fleets have put spy alts around in the ice systems - in stations and at gates - and just dock up the fleet whenever a known kamikaze shows up. When the kamikaze gates to another system, or even just docks up for a prolonged period, the fleet reappears and goes back to mining.
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Tom Hagen
Twilight Empire Blazing Angels Alliance
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Posted - 2011.11.22 06:38:00 -
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Jessica Cartier wrote: The only mining ships which are not being blown up are the ones which GTFO. Most of the mining fleets have put spy alts around in the ice systems - in stations and at gates - and just dock up the fleet whenever a known kamikaze shows up. When the kamikaze gates to another system, or even just docks up for a prolonged period, the fleet reappears and goes back to mining.
Still wouldn't the point of a bot be that you can mine 23/7 without babysitting your account. I do believe that Bots provide us with large amount of ice. As such they have manage to reduce supply, and we can argue about the extent of their success. But it is still a success!
I don't really argue against you here, I just want to make a point against the implied business as usual for the miners. |
flakeys
The Great cornholio's Paper Tiger Coalition
41
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Posted - 2011.11.22 09:55:00 -
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Trelo Aumer wrote:Weaselior wrote:Sephiroth CloneIIV wrote:do you have a alt to alpha the pod right after the ship blows up? no, I should do that - to pod people I try to warp to my orca, grab a thrasher, and warp back, but the long lag time between when I alpha someone and my apoc dies means they'll usually warp out in time I guess you could try switching from an apoc to a tempest with lots of webs/tps in the mids so you can hit at point-blank range and then have dual smartbombs in the utility highs to get the pod.
Killed 8 macks and their pods at one go about a year back solo , all you need is a smartbomb bs.
Bloating about killing a defenseless ship and then even only taking one at a time , really weaselidiot you can do better i am sure. |
Jessica Cartier
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2011.11.22 10:24:00 -
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Tom Hagen wrote: Still wouldn't the point of a bot be that you can mine 23/7 without babysitting your account. I do believe that Bots provide us with large amount of ice. As such they have manage to reduce supply, and we can argue about the extent of their success. But it is still a success!
I don't really argue against you here, I just want to make a point against the implied business as usual for the miners.
I agree with you, when you say that the bots provided most of the ice, which people just bought off the market. But, that was in the past, when it was cheap. When the price went up, a lot of people stopped buying blue ice and oxygen isotopes. As someone else wrote in a post, you can see this on the market history.
So, where are these people getting their oxygen isotopes now, if they are not buying it off market?
One source is stockpiles. Ok, I can believe that, esp. when Jester recently posted on his blog that he has a 1 year supply of fuel for his tower. But, not much you can do about stockpiles, except keep the interdiction going and wait for them to run out.
What about the other people with no stockpile?
One guess is that they stopped using Gallente towers and changed to Amarr, Minmatar or Caldari towers. Not much can be done about this either, except maybe expand the interdiction to all other ice. (I like this idea - it would really drive everyone crazy).
Another guess is that players are sneaking in and mining it themselves, or getting someone else to do it for them. This is what I think is going on now, when I see these ice fleets running around.
Here is my reasoning:
The biggest users of isotopes are POS users. Most POS users are industrial corps and most industrial corps have plenty of miners to chew up 'roids. Most miners train up to fly a Hulk, so that means they can also fly a Mack - or just use the Hulk for ice mining. Now, I've been told that a single Mack can mine enough ice in one day to run a large POS, at max power, for a month. So, a corp's Mack fleet would only need to sneak in for a few hours per month, to keep their towers running.
The next biggest users of isotopes are probably pilots of jump drive ships. But, most jump drive ships are owned by players who belong to corps which belong to alliances. And, most alliances have at least one industrial corp, which has plenty of miners, blah, blah, blah, and et cetera.
So, it is not enough to just stop the bot fleets. The player miners need to be stopped, too!
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