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Jessica Cartier
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.11.22 10:36:00 -
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flakeys wrote: Killed 8 macks and their pods at one go about a year back solo , all you need is a smartbomb bs.
Bloating about killing a defenseless ship and then even only taking one at a time , really weaselidiot you can do better i am sure.
Maybe your strategy worked last year, but this year most of the miners have learned to avoid clumping up in smartbomb range.
Weaselior and friends have killed more than 2,400 mining ships so far. That is something worth "bloating" about. |
Lord Zim
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
177
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Posted - 2011.11.22 12:06:00 -
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flakeys wrote:Killed 8 macks and their pods at one go about a year back solo , all you need is a smartbomb bs.
Bloating about killing a defenseless ship and then even only taking one at a time , really weaselidiot you can do better i am sure. While all goons are fat, I think the word you're looking for is "gloating". As for the rest of your post, Jessica said it all. Miners aren't as dumb anymore.
In fact, try to replicate your feat now, in gallente space. I await your API-verified killmails. |
Roywyn Kolkor
Greenthumb Enterprises
0
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Posted - 2011.11.22 12:21:00 -
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You guys expecting the prices to go up even more ? I got blown up in my macky earlier today btw :'( , maybe if I wait and sell it I can make my macky back. |
Vile rat
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
611
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Posted - 2011.11.22 12:42:00 -
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I regret that I only invested 10b when the price was 400/pu |
flakeys
The Great cornholio's Paper Tiger Coalition
41
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Posted - 2011.11.22 13:06:00 -
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Jessica Cartier wrote:flakeys wrote: Killed 8 macks and their pods at one go about a year back solo , all you need is a smartbomb bs.
Bloating about killing a defenseless ship and then even only taking one at a time , really weaselidiot you can do better i am sure.
Weaselior and friends have killed more than 2,400 mining ships so far. That is something worth "bloating" about.
I'm sorry where did i mention the total amount of ships killed by goons was low because i fail to find that part?
I was refering to a 3 in a line post about killing one mack , that is gloating -thx goonie for teaching me english btw i fail bad - and said that if he wanted to gloat about pvp kills in a market discussion forum i am sure he could have a better thing to show.
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Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1700
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Posted - 2011.11.22 15:26:00 -
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flakeys wrote: Killed 8 macks and their pods at one go about a year back solo , all you need is a smartbomb bs.
Bloating about killing a defenseless ship and then even only taking one at a time , really weaselidiot you can do better i am sure.
yeah that's fun too but sadly we murderized all those already |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1700
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Posted - 2011.11.22 15:28:00 -
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the alphapoc however simply has panache that no other ship can match
hello worthless scum watch me throw away an entire t2 fit bs just to kill you in style |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1700
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Posted - 2011.11.22 15:29:00 -
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the lower classes lack an appreciation for the fine art of classy conspicuious consumption |
Jessica Cartier
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.11.22 20:10:00 -
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flakeys wrote:really weaselidiot you can do better i am sure.
flakeys wrote:i am sure he could have a better thing to show. Your post was meant to troll Weaselior, for simply discussing one - out of many - failures on the part of miners. There was no gloating on his part.
In the same post, you were also trying to brag about your own feeble achievement, but failing. Oooo... a disco BS... how clever of you... ofc, no one else would have ever thought of that. I say "feeble" and "failing" because you obviously have not done anything better since last year - like a 70 year old man bragging about the girls he used to pickup when he was a teenager.
As for cleverly insinuating that this thread does not belong in the market discussion forum... yes, your pathetic 8 ship kill probably went unnoticed last year (assuming that it did happen at all, but let's give you the benefit of the doubt) and does not belong here. Whereas, the 2,400 miner kills in the past couple of months have raised both prices and blood pressure in the market and thus is a valid topic for market discussions. |
flakeys
The Great cornholio's Paper Tiger Coalition
42
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Posted - 2011.11.22 20:18:00 -
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Oh i'm sorry was that your **** i stepped on? I beg your pardon ... didn't know it was so touchy but looking at the your char date created and it posted about 5 times so far on the forums of wich ALL times in this thread i can not assume you're a goon alt.
I'll leave you alone with your preciousssss now love , enjoy the inbreeds . |
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Jessica Cartier
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.11.22 23:33:00 -
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flakeys wrote:Oh i'm sorry was that your **** i stepped on? I beg your pardon ... didn't know it was so touchy but looking at the your char date created and it posted about 5 times so far on the forums of wich ALL times in this thread i can not assume you're a goon alt. Duh. Ofc, this is an alt. Did you figure it out all by yourself, after painstaking hours of research? Wow. Pat on the head and a new diaper for you, baby boy.
But, no, I'm not a Goon alt. So, you fail yet again. |
Nomad I
University of Caille Gallente Federation
21
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Posted - 2011.11.23 08:38:00 -
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Gallente towers are on the way to be out of game Because It's takes only 3 weeks of training for another racial JF, the Anshar will be nothing more than a piece in a museum.
What I don't understand the amounts of oxygen isotopes sold relative high despite the low cost to replace gallente towers. |
Zions Child
Odyssey Inc SpaceMonkey's Alliance
169
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Posted - 2011.11.23 08:45:00 -
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Nomad I wrote:Gallente towers are on the way to be out of game Because It's takes only 3 weeks of training for another racial JF, the Anshar will be nothing more than a piece in a museum. What I don't understand the amounts of oxygen isotopes sold relative high despite the low cost to replace gallente towers.
Speculative trading. Whether by the Goons or someone else, its probably mostly speculative. |
JitaJane
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
112
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Posted - 2011.11.23 09:06:00 -
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Jessica Cartier wrote:flakeys wrote:Oh i'm sorry was that your **** i stepped on? I beg your pardon ... didn't know it was so touchy but looking at the your char date created and it posted about 5 times so far on the forums of wich ALL times in this thread i can not assume you're a goon alt. Duh. Ofc, this is an alt. Did you figure it out all by yourself, after painstaking hours of research? Wow. Pat on the head and a new diaper for you, baby boy. But, no, I'm not a Goon alt. So, you fail yet again. And an alt with 8 posts. All on this thread. Try harder. |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1716
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Posted - 2011.11.23 14:08:00 -
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Nomad I wrote:Gallente towers are on the way to be out of game Because It's takes only 3 weeks of training for another racial JF, the Anshar will be nothing more than a piece in a museum. What I don't understand the amounts of oxygen isotopes sold relative high despite the low cost to replace gallente towers.
one does not just trade in a nyx fleet for a hel fleet
also the cost of replacing towers isn't isk |
Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
392
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Posted - 2011.11.23 14:26:00 -
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Weaselior wrote:also the cost of replacing towers isn't isk Considering they're drastically reducing POS fiddling times in the expansion next week...
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Contributor_name:Akita_T#Contributions_link_collection |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1716
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Posted - 2011.11.23 14:49:00 -
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Akita T wrote:Weaselior wrote:also the cost of replacing towers isn't isk Considering they're drastically reducing POS fiddling times in the expansion next week...
yeah once crucible hits I imagine we'll see a lot more people willing to bite that bullet |
Nomad I
University of Caille Gallente Federation
21
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Posted - 2011.11.23 14:50:00 -
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Akita T wrote:Weaselior wrote:also the cost of replacing towers isn't isk Considering they're drastically reducing POS fiddling times in the expansion next week...
Those industrialist focussed on profit will never wait until the patch is done, because gallente towers would consume all the potential profit. |
Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
393
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Posted - 2011.11.23 17:32:00 -
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Weaselior wrote:Akita T wrote:Weaselior wrote:also the cost of replacing towers isn't isk Considering they're drastically reducing POS fiddling times in the expansion next week... yeah once crucible hits I imagine we'll see a lot more people willing to bite that bullet So... barely broke 1.4k (with 2.3k being the "ok, that really worked" level) after how many weeks of interdiction combined with heavy market buyouts (overall end-of-process profitability of which being somewhat questionable), one barrier to switching gone in a week, possible shifting attention from interdiction to less boring stuff thanks to the new things appearing in the expansion next week... what exactly do you think that spells for the future of oxytopes ? To me it certainly does NOT spell "continued and constant price increase from now on for a good while". In fact, I may go as far as say it almost smells like an impending price crash. Disagree ? Yes/No ? Why ?
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Contributor_name:Akita_T#Contributions_link_collection |
Covert Kitty
SRS Industries SRS.
34
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Posted - 2011.11.23 18:26:00 -
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Akita is correct (as usual). The other important point to take note of is that the longer the prices stay comparatively higher the more people will switch to other tower types, decreasing demand. |
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Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1716
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Posted - 2011.11.23 19:33:00 -
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Akita T wrote:Weaselior wrote:Akita T wrote:Weaselior wrote:also the cost of replacing towers isn't isk Considering they're drastically reducing POS fiddling times in the expansion next week... yeah once crucible hits I imagine we'll see a lot more people willing to bite that bullet So... barely broke 1.4k (with 2.3k being the "ok, that really worked" level) after how many weeks of interdiction combined with heavy market buyouts (overall end-of-process profitability of which being somewhat questionable), one barrier to switching gone in a week, possible shifting attention from interdiction to less boring stuff thanks to the new things appearing in the expansion next week... what exactly do you think that spells for the future of oxytopes ? To me it certainly does NOT spell "continued and constant price increase from now on for a good while". In fact, I may go as far as say it almost smells like an impending price crash. Disagree ? Yes/No ? Why ?
because I, unlike you, have been monitoring stockpile levels
you, like most of EVE, have never seen a supply side market manipulation and you're unable to grasp how it works; this isn't something where the price just crashes: supply is far below demand, and what we see is depletion of stockpiles at various demand levels
your poor analysis can be spotted from your idea that 'heavy market buyouts' are part of the interdiction; they're not. they're just a way to profit off it, as the stockpiles go back on the market and still need to be burned off; this sort of basic error is part and parcel of your importing demand-side market manipulation principles and not understanding the difference
we will run jita out of oxygen isotopes entirely; the important number isn't the price. the important number is the amount of isotopes on the market
oxytopes will never be 2.3k, and you can see that if you actually look at supply: supply is clustered around 2k and once it punches through this, the last remaining major stockpile (pulled from all over eve as people spot an arbitrage opportunity) and will soar above it because ice is tremendously ineleastic |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1716
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Posted - 2011.11.23 19:35:00 -
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as a worthless highsec pubbie, im sure you're unfamilar with the concept of a cap fleet |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1716
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Posted - 2011.11.23 19:40:00 -
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as a case study, an alliance friendly to goonswarm - who had been notified about the campaign in advance and was able to procure their own stockpiles - has run out
imagine everyone else, who didn't know this was coming, who bet on goonswarm being too add to engage in a multi-month campaign: if our nameless blue alliance didn't have enough stockpiles they sure as hell didn't |
Claire Voyant
23
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Posted - 2011.11.23 21:44:00 -
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Weaselior wrote:because I, unlike you, have been monitoring stockpile levels Get out of my hangar! |
Roywyn Kolkor
Greenthumb Enterprises
0
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Posted - 2011.11.23 22:50:00 -
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Is this a suicide mission purely aimed at the ice market ? Cause I just got blown up in a hulk in a random highsec system by a goon. Mining in my lowsec homebase is even more secure now ! |
Jessica Cartier
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
2
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Posted - 2011.11.23 23:38:00 -
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Lyris Nairn wrote:As soon as the Winter patch hits, Interdiction will probably pause for at least a little while in efforts to fly the new ships in new and fun ways. Okay, this statement bothered me, so I gave it further thought.
The Winter patch is chockful of buffs for suicide ganking. Tier 3 BCs look like they were specifically designed to pop tanked exhumers, as well as Orcas. The upgraded destroyers make it easy for lower-SP players to join the fun. And, the buff to blaster damage and fitting requirements is pure gravy for the Brutix, Thorax and Catalyst. Almost makes you suspect that certain CCP devs are supporting suicide ganking, eh? ;)
So, it seems to me that one of the ideal places to test out these fine improvements would be the ice interdiction! Right? So, the interdiction should improve, not pause.
Also, the interdiction makes for good practice for the upcoming Hulkageddon V (recently announced by Helicity and the Goons). |
Jessica Cartier
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
2
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Posted - 2011.11.23 23:41:00 -
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JitaJane wrote: And an alt with 8 posts. All on this thread. Try harder.
I am trying harder... 10 posts now! And, I like this thread, 'cause I like the interdiction. Miners go boom, baby! :) |
Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
393
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Posted - 2011.11.24 00:41:00 -
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Weaselior wrote:I, unlike you, have been monitoring stockpile levels you, like most of EVE, have never seen a supply side market manipulation and you're unable to grasp how it works; this isn't something where the price just crashes: supply is far below demand, and what we see is depletion of stockpiles at various demand levels your poor analysis can be spotted from your idea that 'heavy market buyouts' are part of the interdiction; they're not. they're just a way to profit off it, as the stockpiles go back on the market and still need to be burned off; this sort of basic error is part and parcel of your importing demand-side market manipulation principles and not understanding the difference
IF what you say is true and MOST of the stockpiles purchased before the jumps in price have been re-entering the market at somewhat inflated prices while the ACTUAL total game-wide stockpiles are REALLY dwindling and Goonswarm is aware of this, this would either mean that the Goons only control a small percentage of the existing stockpiles (since otherwise, the price would have skyrocketed) or that the Goons do control a majority of stockpiles but have some of them selling it NOW who are idiots. Assuming it's the former instead of the latter, and the Goons only control a small portion of the stockpile, why haven't you guys mass-pooled more of your cash to buy out most of the remaining isotopes and relist at a much higher price, especially if you're aware that soon enough switching towers over to a different isotope will become radically less painful as expressed in invested time per switch ?
You're getting mightily upset over a simple question over your campaign's efficiency, aren't you ?
Quote:we will run jita out of oxygen isotopes entirely; the important number isn't the price. the important number is the amount of isotopes on the market oxytopes will never be 2.3k, and you can see that if you actually look at supply: supply is clustered around 2k and once it punches through this, the last remaining major stockpile (pulled from all over eve as people spot an arbitrage opportunity) and will soar above it because ice is tremendously ineleastic Don't you perhaps mean "oxytopes will never REMAIN at ONLY 2.3k" ? Because what you just said above, in plain English (assuming it's a language you know well enough) roughly translates out of context into "oxytopes will never reach 2.3k or more".
I only mentioned the 2.3k figure as being the point where I would agree that the Goons DID indeed manage to do something meaningful with the market. Not that you'll certainly get there soon, nor that you won't get there at all. Just that that's the amount at which, if oxytopes remain stable above it for a good while, it would be clear enough your "interdiction" policy has born fruit. Or, in other, simpler words, "until oxytopes go over and stay over 2.3k, this might as well just be a transitory thing". Keyword "might".
And again, if you are so confident that oxytopes WILL go and stay above that figure, why the bloody begejus aren't you all just buying out every last oxytope under 2.3k or whatever your target is and relisting it at whatever your target price is ? The only conclusions to be drawn from this could be that either you're talking out some other less used for speaking bodily orifice OR you're not really all that confident oxytopes will indeed remain as high as you claim they will. http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Contributor_name:Akita_T#Contributions_link_collection |
Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
393
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Posted - 2011.11.24 00:54:00 -
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Jessica Cartier wrote:The Winter patch is chockful of buffs for suicide ganking. Tier 3 BCs look like they were specifically designed to pop tanked exhumers, as well as Orcas. The upgraded destroyers make it easy for lower-SP players to join the fun. And, the buff to blaster damage and fitting requirements is pure gravy for the Brutix, Thorax and Catalyst. Almost makes you suspect that certain CCP devs are supporting suicide ganking, eh? ;) So, it seems to me that one of the ideal places to test out these fine improvements would be the ice interdiction! Right? So, the interdiction should improve, not pause. Well, I wouldn't go just that far yet.
Yes, the pre-insurance costs of suicide-ganking will be going down. However, insurance for suicide gankers also goes away completely, which drives the total cost of suicide-ganking up. All in all, it looks to be as if we're getting a suicide gank nerf, not a buff... but less of a nerf as initially feared when only the CONCORDdokened-equals-no-insurance news bit hit. That's still on the table, isn't it ?
Destroyers might become slightly more ISK-efficient suicide-gankers, but as far as battlecruisers or above goes, looks like the ISK bottom line price per suicide-ganking performance is actually going up, not down.
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P.S. I personally think suicide-ganking has been made too costly in the past few years (with the repeated CONCORD buffs and the secrating changes and so on) and what we actually need is to make suicide-ganking much cheaper again, not more expensive, but that's a different story. http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Contributor_name:Akita_T#Contributions_link_collection |
Cyniac
Twilight Star Rangers Black Thorne Alliance
52
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Posted - 2011.11.24 01:17:00 -
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Akita T wrote:Destroyers might become slightly more ISK-efficient suicide-gankers, but as far as battlecruisers or above goes, looks like the ISK bottom line price per suicide-ganking performance is actually going up, not down.
However, ISK efficiency is not a consideration in all suicide ganks. The incoming changes mean that you need less pilots with less SP to effectively suicide gank. Time will tell if suicide ganking goes up or down - might be that selective for profit ganks go down (maybe) while other kinds of ganks (for lulz or to control resources or whatever) probably will go up.
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