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Hexess
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.02.03 13:29:00 -
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Hi, I'm new so please excuse any inaccuracies or misconceptions.
I've been playing for a little over a week and am curious to know if anyone actually makes a respectable profit from scanning in high security or low security space. I'm feeling a little lost, but I'm drawn towards exploration particularly.
I've looked at the market and other posts regarding this and there seems to be a conflict of opinion. Essentially all I'd be doing in the first instance is collecting data cores and decryptors until my combat skills are sufficiently high to attempt combat complexes.
In the short term the end game for me would be to gather enough isk to pay for my account and make some profit on top each month, which I guess everyone wants to do unless they're happy to pay - which I am, but it would be nice not to have to :)
Any advice would be appreciated.
Thanks. |
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor Cosmic Consortium
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Posted - 2014.02.03 13:40:00 -
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Keep exploring the lesser-travelled systems. Perhaps try uncovering relic and data sites in lowsec too!
Combat complexes are a different kettle of fish: just spend another week with the exploration sites and see how you go Datacores, decryptors, and BPCs. Day 0 advice for new players: Day 0 Advice for New Players |
Hexess
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.02.03 13:45:00 -
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Thanks Mara,
I'm waiting for some skills to finish training before I venture out and commit at least short term to it as a career path. There's a wealth of information out there but a lot of it is contradictory. I guess I'll just see how I get on.
Thanks. |
Dkeh Weis
Theory Group
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Posted - 2014.02.03 13:47:00 -
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In 100% honesty, I don't see high relic and data sites as a realistic way to PLEX an account- the payoff is just too low. You would have to spend many, many hours doing those sites to make the 620~ mil required.
Null sec exploration is definitely a possibility, however. The payoff is an order of magnitude higher, and it will not take you long to be able to afford a PLEX.
That being said, high sec combat plexes can pay VERY well, to the tune of a few hundred million for a 4/10, which can be completed relatively easily in a battle cruiser. Eve will make you work a solid month all on your own for your first cookie. Then kick you in the nuts and take that cookie, and laugh at you for thinking you could have a cookie at all. |
Haedonism Bot
Revolutionary Front
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Posted - 2014.02.03 14:19:00 -
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I would say that the best way to make isk by scanning is to probe down people running level 4 missions and steal their loot. With a little practice and a little help from a friend with remote repairs, you can often get the mission runner to shoot at you, then blow him up or hold his ship for ransom.
On the subject of paying with PLEX, I'd say just don't until you've been around awhile. Play in a way that seems fun to you, and as time goes by you may find yourself spacerich enough to buy PLEX. Don't play EVE like its a job with PLEX as a goal - that will get very old very fast. everevolutionaryfront.blogspot.com |
Hexess
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.02.03 14:31:00 -
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Haedonism Bot, I hadn't considered that. Once I make some acquaintances I may well try it. Thanks. |
Shiloh Templeton
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.02.04 00:42:00 -
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I also think that trying to plex your account via high-sec exploration is going to be a lot of work -- and may take the fun out of exploration.
Low sec is more profitable, until you end up losing your ship. You end up losing a lot of time hiding. And the mini-game for the best sites in low-sec really benefit from T2 scanners to keep from blowing up.
The payout from exploration is also greatly affected by how much local competition you have in your time zone. If you aren't finding many data/relic sites, or they only have a couple of low value cans left, then you might try moving to another region to try your luck there.
After a few months when you have all your skills trained and gained experience you may be ready to explore in Null, then you may be able to plex your account + profit. |
Sabriz Adoudel
Mission BLITZ
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Posted - 2014.02.04 01:06:00 -
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Haedonism Bot wrote:I would say that the best way to make isk by scanning is to probe down people running level 4 missions and steal their loot. With a little practice and a little help from a friend with remote repairs, you can often get the mission runner to shoot at you, then blow him up or hold his ship for ransom.
On the subject of paying with PLEX, I'd say just don't until you've been around awhile. Play in a way that seems fun to you, and as time goes by you may find yourself spacerich enough to buy PLEX. Don't play EVE like its a job with PLEX as a goal - that will get very old very fast.
This is excellent advice.
You can also make decent ISK probing sites in lowsec, even with quite low skillpoints, but you want to have the player skills of scanning and also the player skills of making safe spots, monitoring d-scan and constantly moving downpat.
I recommend you practice the former skills (scanning) in highsec by scanning down mission runners as Haedonism Bot suggested. Once you are finding them quickly, you should practice doing it while never staying in one location longer than 20 seconds. (You can do this by being suspect flagged in high sec while scanning).
This should take a couple of hours at most - and then you are ready to choose between lowsec non-combat sites and highsec mission scanning. Both are viable and you can dabble in both.
One more thing to learn is how to enter and exit lowsec safely. If you go to a quiet corner of low, the biggest danger is the system connecting your lowsec pocket to highsec - you can get valuable intel on your star map as to 'how many player ships have been lost in this system in the last hour'. If that exceeds 5, avoid that system. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=238931 - an idea for a new form of hybrid PVE/PVP content. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=318489 - Proposal for a new type of tech 2 Destroyer If you want to mine in highsec, read www.minerbumping.com. |
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor Cosmic Consortium
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Posted - 2014.02.04 01:12:00 -
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Once you get into a cloaky covops, all hisec->low sec entries are safe, and the only thing you need to watch out for is smart bombs on the exit gate.
What this means for new players:
When you enter a system through a gate, you will be 15km from the gate. Unless you are very unlucky, you will be safe in a cloaky frigate because it will be very hard to catch you.
When you exit a system, you have to be 2.5km from the gate before you can activate it. Since a battleship (or larger) with smart bombs has a significant radius of effect, they can destroy your ship before you've even finished getting out of warp, much less have time to activate the gate.
One way to avoid this, when flying covops in low sec, is to warp to 100km from the gate. Once you can see that the gate is safe, move further than 150km from the gate and then you can warp to it. As you do this, make plenty of bookmarks for "perches" from which you can watch the gate and make sure that nobody is going to be smart bombing you back to your medical clone.
Low sec exploration is actually safer than hi sec exploration: you will have fewer people in local competing with you, so you can be more alert to the presence of other people. After a while you will get to the point where flying around in hi sec makes you nervous, and that is when you will know that low sec is the life for you :) Day 0 advice for new players: Day 0 Advice for New Players |
Hexess
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.02.04 10:25:00 -
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Thanks everyone for the advice. I'm going to try lowsec in a week or two once my skills are a little more honed. I'm a while away from a covert ops ship yet.
Certainly heeding the advice on safe spots, aligning and constantly moving. I've been checking the map statistics also to see where's quiet and where's not, and already from helpful individuals gotten some advice about what systems to avoid.
I tried my hand at wreck 'liberation' last night and had a few hairy moments with unhappy missioning players but it certainly paid off as I made more in 15 mins than I had in the last few days. It also teaches you a lot about aggression mechanics and the timers!
Thanks again.
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Sabriz Adoudel
Mission BLITZ
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Posted - 2014.02.04 11:11:00 -
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Hexess wrote:Thanks everyone for the advice. I'm going to try lowsec in a week or two once my skills are a little more honed. I'm a while away from a covert ops ship yet.
Certainly heeding the advice on safe spots, aligning and constantly moving. I've been checking the map statistics also to see where's quiet and where's not, and already from helpful individuals gotten some advice about what systems to avoid.
I tried my hand at wreck 'liberation' last night and had a few hairy moments with unhappy missioning players but it certainly paid off as I made more in 15 mins than I had in the last few days. It also teaches you a lot about aggression mechanics and the timers!
Last night I spent some time familiarizing myself with dscan, distance ranges and using it in conjunction with combat probes to put them almost on top of the ship I'm looking for right from the off, it can be surprisingly accurate and it's fun, especially when it's a frigate and they're harder to scan (with my relatively low skills). I did scan down some mobile tractor units in space, but assume I can't do anything with them short of destroying them (and getting a yellow timer) - is this right or is there a way of stealing from them?
Anyway, thanks again.
/salute to someone that teaches themself everything they need to know.
Keep doing what you are doing, and in a couple of weeks, I'll be scared enough of you to dock up when you enter local :) https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=238931 - an idea for a new form of hybrid PVE/PVP content. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=318489 - Proposal for a new type of tech 2 Destroyer If you want to mine in highsec, read www.minerbumping.com. |
Hexess
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.02.04 12:21:00 -
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Ha! I doubt that very much :) |
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