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Rengret Erekeck
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Posted - 2006.04.04 01:29:00 -
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Edited by: Rengret Erekeck on 04/04/2006 01:30:00 My friend said they sucked. i tried one (this is waaay back on my old character)
i did crap damage. my friend says its because omens suck however i do crap damage from a moa too and that omen was before i knew anything about lasers, armor tanking, or that WCS should be on combat setups..
im thinking since i like combat too much to have this manufacturing character, i would make a minmatar guy have slave child ansestry, and train gunnery skills and amarr ships
what I have to ask is, do omens really suck, or was it just my 20k SP in gunnery and the WCS
im pretty sure its the crap skills.
anyways, given how it seems all the cruiser guns eat too much grid to actually go on a cruiser, can i get a little fitting help?
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Eximius Josari
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Posted - 2006.04.04 01:30:00 -
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having only 20k sp in anything would have you believe something sucks...
Omen = minigeddon.
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Rengret Erekeck
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Posted - 2006.04.04 01:34:00 -
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ok good.
only fitting problem i have is that the lasers take too much grid to fit a full rack, unless i use the really weak ones. but then its not a mini geddon. ---------------------------- Manufacturer of the highest quality shuttles
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Eximius Josari
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Posted - 2006.04.04 01:46:00 -
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4 Heavy Pulse fit just fine, but you will need RCUs to fit any kind of tank.
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Rengret Erekeck
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Posted - 2006.04.04 02:09:00 -
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but then the RCU's use up low slots that i could use on tank..
well i guess it makes sense if i wanna kill things fast i dont need much tank
so... 4x heavy pulse with something like gamma or MF
1x 10mn AB - since the pulse will limit my range.. 1x Cap recharger - probably good.. this last mid idk what to put in it
lows..
1x med armor rep 2x RCU - is that enough 1x energised explosive plating 1x energized adaptave plating if i dont need one of the RCU, then ill put either more energised plating or something like 400 or 800mm plate
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Alzion
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Posted - 2006.04.04 02:15:00 -
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Omen is pretty pointless imo. Alot of people see the ROF bonus and assume its a high damage minigeddon but, if you do some math 4 guns * 1.25 = 5 guns. So you might as well use a maller which can do the same ammount of damage while fitting a tank. --------------------------------------------- I hear Linux can cure cancer and raise your sperm count. - Dionysus Davinci
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Eximius Josari
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Posted - 2006.04.04 02:15:00 -
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The Omen is definately not a good tank esp compared to the Maller, but two small reps with 2 energized adaptive nanos and one damage control should work decently well.
In mids, go for cap rechargers. As for the 5th hi slot, not sure what your skills will leave you to fit there.
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Eximius Josari
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Posted - 2006.04.04 02:17:00 -
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Originally by: Alzion Omen is pretty pointless imo. Alot of people see the ROF bonus and assume its a high damage minigeddon but, if you do some math 4 guns * 1.25 = 5 guns. So you might as well use a maller which can do the same ammount of damage while fitting a tank.
Omen does more dmg...4 guns + launcher and drones does a little more than 5 guns worth of dmg.
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Rengret Erekeck
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Posted - 2006.04.04 02:21:00 -
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yeah addin the launcher. omen does more damage, maller tanks like hell.
in fact, teamed together the omen can drop some tank for some damage mods, and that would work out well IMO
so now all i need is a good name for this character who im going to make... hmmm ---------------------------- Manufacturer of the highest quality shuttles
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Woopie
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Posted - 2006.04.04 02:49:00 -
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Edited by: Woopie on 04/04/2006 02:53:17 The difference is were a geddon does 16.7% more damage than apoc, where as a omen only does lousy 6.7% more damage than maller (and only with cruiser lvl 5).
Over all a omen is all most always a poor choose. Tanks/fits poorly for slightly more damage only at lvl 5.
Well that's not counting launcher/drones. For any sane PvP you would want nos or empty slot (to safe fittings) and 3 light drones don't come anywhere close to make up for maller resist bonus
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Rengret Erekeck
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Posted - 2006.04.04 02:54:00 -
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dont forget the omen is faster (not that it makes much difference but it could)
and i like how the omen looks
so there.
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Eximius Josari
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Posted - 2006.04.04 02:55:00 -
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Maller with Heavy Pulse I and Multi M (nothing else fitted) and max skills
107 DPS
Omen with Heavy Pulse I and Multi M (nothing else) and max skills
114 DPS
Omen with Heavy Pulse I and Multi M and max skills with 3 light drones and one heavy launcher
154 DPS
So I would say the Omen is just fine with its dmg to tank ability ratio.
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Meridius
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Posted - 2006.04.04 03:14:00 -
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Originally by: Woopie Edited by: Woopie on 04/04/2006 02:53:17 The difference is were a geddon does 16.7% more damage than apoc, where as a omen only does lousy 6.7% more damage than maller (and only with cruiser lvl 5).
Over all a omen is all most always a poor choose. Tanks/fits poorly for slightly more damage only at lvl 5.
Well that's not counting launcher/drones. For any sane PvP you would want nos or empty slot (to safe fittings) and 3 light drones don't come anywhere close to make up for maller resist bonus
Exactly, the Omen is pretty pointless unless your **** poor.
Jebus would use a Maller. _ __
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Rengret Erekeck
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Posted - 2006.04.04 04:03:00 -
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Originally by: Eximius Josari Maller with Heavy Pulse I and Multi M (nothing else fitted) and max skills
107 DPS
Omen with Heavy Pulse I and Multi M (nothing else) and max skills
114 DPS
Omen with Heavy Pulse I and Multi M and max skills with 3 light drones and one heavy launcher
154 DPS
So I would say the Omen is just fine with its dmg to tank ability ratio.
that seems closer to 50% more damage to me
and if i calculated correctly, its 69.4% more ---------------------------- Manufacturer of the highest quality shuttles
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Eximius Josari
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Posted - 2006.04.04 04:08:00 -
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Originally by: Rengret Erekeck
Originally by: Eximius Josari Maller with Heavy Pulse I and Multi M (nothing else fitted) and max skills
107 DPS
Omen with Heavy Pulse I and Multi M (nothing else) and max skills
114 DPS
Omen with Heavy Pulse I and Multi M and max skills with 3 light drones and one heavy launcher
154 DPS
So I would say the Omen is just fine with its dmg to tank ability ratio.
that seems closer to 50% more damage to me
and if i calculated correctly, its 69.4% more
44%, but either way its far more dmging then the Maller.
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Kidd Billups
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Posted - 2006.04.04 04:27:00 -
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Edited by: Kidd Billups on 04/04/2006 04:30:19 don't fly an omen with 20k gunner SP's. All omens are good for is damage cause they can't tank at all
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Alzion
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Posted - 2006.04.04 04:42:00 -
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Originally by: Eximius Josari Maller with Heavy Pulse I and Multi M (nothing else fitted) and max skills
107 DPS
Omen with Heavy Pulse I and Multi M (nothing else) and max skills
114 DPS
Omen with Heavy Pulse I and Multi M and max skills with 3 light drones and one heavy launcher
154 DPS
So I would say the Omen is just fine with its dmg to tank ability ratio.
Yes, but can the Omen fit that plus 3 damage mods? The maller can and can fit a decent tank as well. --------------------------------------------- I hear Linux can cure cancer and raise your sperm count. - Dionysus Davinci
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Ras Blumin
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Posted - 2006.04.04 05:02:00 -
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Originally by: Alzion if you do some math 4 guns * 1.25 = 5 guns.
It's actually 4 / 0.75 = 5 1/3 which is around 6.7 % more damage if my calculations are right.
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Eximius Josari
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Posted - 2006.04.04 05:44:00 -
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Originally by: Alzion
Originally by: Eximius Josari Maller with Heavy Pulse I and Multi M (nothing else fitted) and max skills
107 DPS
Omen with Heavy Pulse I and Multi M (nothing else) and max skills
114 DPS
Omen with Heavy Pulse I and Multi M and max skills with 3 light drones and one heavy launcher
154 DPS
So I would say the Omen is just fine with its dmg to tank ability ratio.
Yes, but can the Omen fit that plus 3 damage mods? The maller can and can fit a decent tank as well.
The following (assume max skills) will fit on an Omen and give it 381 DPS:
4x Heavy Pulse II with Conflag M 1x Heavy Launcher II with Havoc Fury 1x Stasis Webber 1x 10MN AB II 1x Scrambler 1x RCU I 1x Co-Processor I 3x Heat Sink II
The Maller with 3x HS II and 5 Heavy Pulse II (Conflag) gets only 298.9 DPS
That's 28% less. And the only thing the Maller can fit after that that the Omen cant is a Medium Rep II.
The only reason to get a Maller is tank, if you are looking for dmg, then the Omen is where its at.
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awwsd
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Posted - 2006.04.04 06:09:00 -
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If you put WCS on a Omen youre an idiot...
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Ruah Piskonit
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Posted - 2006.04.04 06:24:00 -
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The point here is: If you have good skills, you trained your armor, Cap and PG, gunnery and finally your drone skills - then you are ready for an omen. . . even with all this however, I would still fly an arbiter or a Maller over an Omen. The loss of tank, or EW/Drones in the Arbis case is too much for my taste.
You stated yourself that you have very low gunnery skills. I would assume you have next to no drone skills, and your cruiser skills are low too. . . this is before all the nessisary tanking and energy skills. Take a Maller for safty (it does good dps. . . really it does) or get into a Punisher and skill up properly.
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Benglada
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Posted - 2006.04.04 08:16:00 -
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ITs ****ing hard to fit 5 heavy pulses on a maller ---------------------------
Originally by: Wrangler Unfrtinately you dnot get to vote..
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MOS DEF
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Posted - 2006.04.04 08:38:00 -
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IMO the problem with omen is that peoplke try to tank it. If you do that get the maller. If you fly the omen you better have a rack of heatsinks in the lows or you fly nothing else but a maller with crappy tank.
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Jaketh Ivanes
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Posted - 2006.04.04 08:43:00 -
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This is really the beuty of this game.
As DEF said, Omen is damage and zero tank, you'll either out damage your enemy or die. The Maller is tank, you'll either outlast your enemy or die.
Arbitrator is a bit hard to place, but i'll put it in the tank-by-range category. If you can stay out of you enemy's gun range, your drones will do the killing for you
All ships are basically good within their role. Persoanlly i'm a tanker, so I fly Maller/Saci more than Omen/Zealot. But I serioulsy prefer the Omen's look, so sexy
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Kard Fater
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Posted - 2006.04.04 08:45:00 -
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"...that WCS should be on combat setups.." WTF? Who said that? Lilly the Lollipop? WCS even makes Funshine Bear cry, check it: http://www.care-bears.com/CareBears/html/about/funshine.html Maybe they said WCS should NOT be on combat setups, mmmkay?
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F'nog
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Posted - 2006.04.04 08:53:00 -
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There's a lot of exclamation points in the char pics for a thread about HACs. Does that blow anyone eleses' mind? Or is it just me?
Originally by: Bl4zer But, cmon, this is the Eve forums, we don't let facts get in the way of pointless speculation.
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LWMaverick
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Posted - 2006.04.04 09:02:00 -
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Originally by: Rengret Erekeck or that WCS should be on combat setups..
what I have to ask is, do omens really suck, or was it just my 20k SP in gunnery and the WCS
Wcs are NOT a "must"!
Its a t1 cruiser, fully insure it, and put whatever you can afford on it.
You should probably fit a damage mod or two, and go with an active tank ( because of the low skills ).
With a decent fit and semi-okay skills you can get a pretty decent damage output.
/Mav
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Mila Prestoc
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Posted - 2006.04.04 09:24:00 -
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Edited by: Mila Prestoc on 04/04/2006 09:25:37 WCS should be used on ships you can't afford to lose, but then it probably isn't wise to fly ships you can't afford to lose anyway. Only if they are hard to find (ie. HAC's such as Vegabond which are really overpriced and a pain to get) are WCS really worth it. Those slots used by WCS's ruin a setup, they could complete a tank or add damage.
In small group situations the Omen is great where you want combined firepower, have some frigate tacklers and a few Omens and even BC's won't last long. Have the frigates use webbers + scrambler and you can fit cap modules in mids.
It is cheap and with insurance you only really lose < 1m + whatever modules fitted. Since its just a damage ship and bringing it home is a bonus fit it with standard tech 1 or common named items from NPC drops. Your costs will be low so dont need to worry about losing it while you learn the game.
For it to really work as a damage dealing ship you want gunnery level 5 and the supporting gunnery skills at 4 at least with the turret at 4 or if you plan to stay with cruiser sized ships then level 5.
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Trefnis
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Posted - 2006.04.04 09:54:00 -
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Originally by: F'nog There's a lot of exclamation points in the char pics for a thread about HACs. Does that blow anyone eleses' mind? Or is it just me?
It is just you, omen is not a hac. :P
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HippoKing
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Posted - 2006.04.04 09:58:00 -
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the omen does a small amount more damage with lasers (1/15 more, or 6.67%) if and ONLY if you have cruiser 5.
with less, the maller is better for DPS and tank. even with cruiser 5, you're probably better off in a maller
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