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Eternal Fury
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Posted - 2006.04.05 23:32:00 -
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Doesn't have to BE the best, but the one that people percieve as the tank of tanks so to say? Which one makes people go "OH CRAP" when it comes in?
Just curious. I'm still working my way though BC's, and see a lot of posts about all of em, and was curious. - -
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Krulla
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Posted - 2006.04.05 23:34:00 -
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Apoc, Raven, and certain setups of domi, mostly.
Respect the Domi. Or else.
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Gonada
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Posted - 2006.04.05 23:37:00 -
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t2 tanked Dom hands down.
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Nahia Senne
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Posted - 2006.04.05 23:42:00 -
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dominix is worst tanker ever.. seriously.
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Blind Man
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Posted - 2006.04.05 23:48:00 -
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Apoc and Raven = best tanks..
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Sarmaul 2
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Posted - 2006.04.05 23:56:00 -
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Originally by: Blind Man Apoc and Raven = best tanks..
apoc and scorp
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Nebuli
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Posted - 2006.04.06 00:29:00 -
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By T1 kinda assumed he meant tier I seeing as their arent tech II BS yet.
If thats the case id probably have to say scorp can field the best tank out of all tier I BS, ofc would have to forget ECM pretty much, but talking pure tank dont think another tier I BS set up purely for tanking could match the scorp.
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Malthros Zenobia
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Posted - 2006.04.06 02:08:00 -
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Originally by: Nebuli By T1 kinda assumed he meant tier I seeing as their arent tech II BS yet.
Teir1 BS are ships like the scorp, teir2 would be the Raven. Tech 1 is both, tech 2 doesn't exist.
by T1 he ment tech 1, as tech2 BS don't exist, and if they are 'flagships' like the T2Bcs are 'command ships', we're going to see 8mid slots on the Caldari one, and 8 lows on the others, and 90% resists accross the board before you even fit midslot mods...
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Nyphur
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Posted - 2006.04.06 02:15:00 -
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Originally by: Nahia Senne dominix is worst tanker ever.. seriously.
I take it you don't pvp in a vampadom.
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Spartan III
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Posted - 2006.04.06 02:25:00 -
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Dominix is the most versitile ship in eve. --- Wolven Elite Guard - Currently recruiting |
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Foulis
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Posted - 2006.04.06 02:33:00 -
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Originally by: Eternal Fury Which one makes people go "OH CRAP" when it comes in?
They don't make us go oh crap, the make us go *sigh* hope nobody had anything planned for the next hour =D. Once had an apoc tank for a HUGE amount of time. ----
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Eternal Fury
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Posted - 2006.04.06 04:12:00 -
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Originally by: Foulis
Originally by: Eternal Fury Which one makes people go "OH CRAP" when it comes in?
They don't make us go oh crap, the make us go *sigh* hope nobody had anything planned for the next hour =D. Once had an apoc tank for a HUGE amount of time.
Actually, I see this as a plus, in that it makes the ships feel.. well.. massive.. I dont' mean just slow, but that they're hugh. And take a beating.
it's the one problem with the smaller ships, cruisers, destoyers and such. They FEEL small.. :)
I actually started with a Caldari as my main(this one) and he's a week from getting a BS.. but then, i hate the look of the Caldari ships. Sure I have a Ferox in my sig, but I just tollerate it more then others.
i was all set to dislike most of the ships I'd fly, then I saw an Apoc sitting outside a station when I was doing a courier mission with a shuttle. I did a few orbits around it and was in love. Just sitting there it looked powerful.
I had to make a new char. Thank GOD(or someone at CCP) for the Power of 2.. now I have a new char, a nice Amarr ship useing char :)
The Apoc is my new goal(or a Faction version, but not for 1 billion..) - -
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Constantinee
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Posted - 2006.04.06 04:35:00 -
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Apoc = Best Tank Raven = Second Best Tank Megathron = 3rd Best
The tempest really i dont like how u tank it it can go armor or sheild i personally like armor better but thats on the poc
Im personally a raven pilot and i sheild tank and yes sheild tank is killer as well
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Gierling
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Posted - 2006.04.06 04:41:00 -
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In terms of pure tanking the Domi is actually one of the worst ships out there.
PRoposal to fix blobbing and make Charisma useful.
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Ruah Piskonit
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Posted - 2006.04.06 04:51:00 -
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Amarr ships are famous for their abuility to tank, Caldari ships, if set up correctly, can tank for a fair ammount as well. The difference however is, the Amarr tank does not affect its dps or utility (Amarr, Utility? naa~) while Caldari ships lose a little utility in by tanking a lot. In simple terms, wth an Amarr ship, you expect a good tank. With the Caldari, you are suprised by one.
The other coalition, the vile Gallente and the Slaves are both poor tanks relative to the Amarr and Caldari. . . that relative however can get you killed very quickly. . .
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Hamatitio
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Posted - 2006.04.06 05:10:00 -
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erm the dommy is the only ship Iknow of that can run 3x t2 hardeners and 2x t2 large reps as a tank.
I'd say it has the best tank (when used in conjunction with a nos setup obviously) ---
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Nyphur
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Posted - 2006.04.06 06:26:00 -
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Originally by: Hamatitio erm the dommy is the only ship Iknow of that can run 3x t2 hardeners and 2x t2 large reps as a tank.
I'd say it has the best tank (when used in conjunction with a nos setup obviously)
TBH, you can do the same on an Apoc if you fit Nos and pulses. Or even a cap injector will let you run a better tank than that for a few minutes on an apoc.
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Mr rooflez
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Posted - 2006.04.06 06:34:00 -
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Well obviously why a dominix is good is because it can dedicate all it's slots to tank and still have a great damage output due to its drones, where all the other ships have to bother with crap like guns, tracking comps and damage mods.
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SiLeNCel2
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Posted - 2006.04.06 06:37:00 -
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Originally by: Eternal Fury I did a few orbits around it and was in love. Just sitting there it looked powerful.
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Gierling
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Posted - 2006.04.06 06:41:00 -
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A domi dedicating all its slots to tanking STILL does less damage and tanks less well then a Geddon or a Thron doing the same thing (those ships can devote the same amount of slots to NOS, Carry larger NOS, and still have 2 hi's slots left over to make up the damage difference with.
PRoposal to fix blobbing and make Charisma useful.
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Mhostly Harmless
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Posted - 2006.04.06 06:55:00 -
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Please tell me where I can get 2 guns that together will deal out half the damage of 5 heavy drones.
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Testy Mctest
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Posted - 2006.04.06 07:05:00 -
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Originally by: Hamatitio erm the dommy is the only ship Iknow of that can run 3x t2 hardeners and 2x t2 large reps as a tank.
I'd say it has the best tank (when used in conjunction with a nos setup obviously)
Wait....so an Apoc can't use nos and run the same?
The Apoc has the most durable tank in the game.
The Raven has the best short-term tank, which can be turned into a longer term one with a cap charger.
Domis have the best tank you will normally see, but in no way do their stats lend themselves to being a better tank, merely their setups.
Although tbh, stabs are better than a tank anyway.
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Eximius Josari
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Posted - 2006.04.06 07:12:00 -
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Apoc bar none.
Only reason Dominix is perceived to be a good tank is it can dedicate its hi slots to nos and borrow a better ship's cap.
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LWMaverick
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Posted - 2006.04.06 07:48:00 -
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Edited by: LWMaverick on 06/04/2006 07:53:23 Apoc! Hands down.
The only problem is that people usually dont fear the apoc in close range encounters.
Raven, best short term tank. Aka. The No-Brainer PwnMobile
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Boonaki
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Posted - 2006.04.06 07:55:00 -
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Dominix < Apoc, 7 heavy nos + 1 large smartbomb
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Tachy
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Posted - 2006.04.06 08:13:00 -
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Testy Mctest
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Posted - 2006.04.06 08:26:00 -
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Originally by: Tachy Typhoon - She rarely leaves the hangar.
Mine leave the hangar into the refinery every time I get drunk and buy one.
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Gierling
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Posted - 2006.04.06 08:27:00 -
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425 II's deal about 85 DPS apiece (With perfect skills and Javelin), The domi puts out about 468 dps with its drones...
The Mega puts out 314 with its drones, plus the two 425's (Which it can easily fit with 6 large nos AND large reps) and you have more damage and more tankage.
The Geddon doesn't suffer to bad either.
Of course the domi can fit one more multispec, but thats rather moot point when you consider how little that extra multi helps in the type of fight we are talking about, and how pointless it is in most other fights (fleet fights anyone?)
PRoposal to fix blobbing and make Charisma useful.
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Leilani Solaris
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Posted - 2006.04.06 09:34:00 -
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Dominix. They're evil and i hate them. NERF THE DOMINIX!!! I haven't got a new sig yet :)
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Lord WarATron
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Posted - 2006.04.06 09:39:00 -
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The Best Armour Tanker is the apoc. Anybody that says otherwise is living in a dream world. The Best Shield Tanker is the Scorp. Anybody that says otherwise is living in a dream world.
Of course, I am only talking about tanking ability. I am not talking about DPS!
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Hugh Ruka
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Posted - 2006.04.06 09:57:00 -
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best tank is the scorp ... 8 multispecs + low slot armor tank :-)) ------------------------------ if you want peace, prepare for war ... ------------------------------ Removed due to offensive content - Laqum
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HippoKing
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Posted - 2006.04.06 10:05:00 -
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tier 1, its the scorp.
8mids with 4 PDUs in lows 4tw
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HippoKing
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Posted - 2006.04.06 10:13:00 -
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Originally by: Eternal Fury Which one makes people go "OH CRAP" when it comes in?
no tank ever does that. if you want to do that, fly a nosferdom (solo) or a gankageddon/jamscorp in groups
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Randay
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Posted - 2006.04.06 10:14:00 -
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uh am i missing something here, since when does the apoc not sustain a 2 lar 3 hardener tank? dont even need nos... -------------------------------------------
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Twilight Moon
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Posted - 2006.04.06 10:24:00 -
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Typhoon....but only according to its description....
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HippoKing
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Posted - 2006.04.06 10:30:00 -
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Originally by: Randay uh am i missing something here, since when does the apoc not sustain a 2 lar 3 hardener tank? dont even need nos...
i wanted to know since when was apoc tier 1
but your question stands too
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Randay
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Posted - 2006.04.06 10:42:00 -
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the op didnt specify tech 1 or tier 1 and judging from his second post in the thread i think its safe to say he isnt specifically looking at tier 1 ships.
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HippoKing
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Posted - 2006.04.06 10:46:00 -
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true...
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Gabriel Karade
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Posted - 2006.04.06 10:57:00 -
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As far as a Dual repairer tank is concerned the Dominix is just as good as the Apocalypse. That extra mid slot allows for another cap recharger, allowing you to build a sustainable tank with the same number of hardeners. ----------
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Kaeten
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Posted - 2006.04.06 11:02:00 -
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the domi ain't that good at tanking as it's pg is VERY LOW. apoc/raven is much better for this type of job.
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DoctorColossal Pervius
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Posted - 2006.04.06 11:16:00 -
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Originally by: Spartan III Dominix is the most versitile ship in eve.
No its not. Every Battleship is versatile. They have an 18-19 slot layout. Domininx is the "flavour of the month" at the moment. That is all. No more, no less. Lesson over.
Use your mind. That should be more versatile.
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Mhostly Harmless
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Posted - 2006.04.06 16:01:00 -
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Originally by: Gierling 425 II's deal about 85 DPS apiece (With perfect skills and Javelin), The domi puts out about 468 dps with its drones...
The Mega puts out 314 with its drones, plus the two 425's (Which it can easily fit with 6 large nos AND large reps) and you have more damage and more tankage.
How in the world are you getting 85 dps out of 425 II? I come up with: Javelin L = 24 kin 36 therm, 60 damage 425 II 3.3 mod, 10% spec, 25% ship, 25% large rail, 12% surgical strike, hell 5% implant to all and a 5% to large turrets as well, is 60*3.3*1.1*1.25*1.25*1.12*1.05*1.05=420.22 damage. Then for ROF we got 9.56, 10% off gunnery and 20% off 20% off rapid fire. so 9.56*.9*.8 = 6.88 400.22 / 6.88 = 58.17 dps. If I'm missin some implant or skill that will let sombody squeeze out annother 50% dps to hit 85, then do let me know.
Five t2 ogres come out as: 24 * 1.92 * 1.1 * 2 * 1.25 = 105.6 * 5 = 528 / 2 = 264 dps. Domi add in half again for 132 more.
I dont think any other battleship can reach the Domi's damage in full tank mode, but sombody prove me wrong so I can use it too.
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Minnow maught
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Posted - 2006.04.06 17:00:00 -
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Define 'tank' ?
1) Able to soak up the most absolute damage before popping? 2) Has the highest dps capacity before the tank is overcome? 3) Can tank whilst also dishing out the highest damage?
Does EW figure in this? e.g. if you have a 1 in4 chance of jamming then does that count as a 25% reduction in damage?
As an 'all rounder' I don't think you can really beat the Domi TBH .... can tank well, can further reduce damage through EW, can help sustain it's tank using an injector if it becomes jammed, can suplliment the cap requirement of running it's tank through NOS when it isn't jammed, can web and scramble and can still dish out good damage through it's drones. That said, I think a typhoon could be in with a chance here too, only looses 132 DPS of drone bonus but this could be supplimented with the use of cruise / torps instead.
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Crellion
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Posted - 2006.04.06 18:14:00 -
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Originally by: Randay the op didnt specify tech 1 or tier 1 and judging from his second post in the thread i think its safe to say he isnt specifically looking at tier 1 ships.
Hmmmm I c he is just excluding tech II BSs then...
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Cummilla
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Posted - 2006.04.06 18:15:00 -
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vampapoc, aka Raven Killer.
The way to beat it though is like any other nos setup, EW it. No lock = no energy transfer.
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