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Agondray
Avenger Mercenaries VOID Intergalactic Forces
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Posted - 2014.02.09 05:22:00 -
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yeah i have the same problem when i use drones, i deploy them and they get insta locked and i have to pull them in. every ship i use when i do missions now has a web so i no longer use drones, earlier today i was doing a mission and the cruisers switch aggro onto my hobgoblins. Its been about dec 2012 since the changes and im more or less boycotted drone use in anything pve related. |
Muestereate
Minions LLC
166
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Posted - 2014.02.09 05:26:00 -
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BUT a lot of pVE boats are shield so I only used oMNIS on the Domi. I never overheat in pve Cept for incision logi. Ymmv but shopping to buy paste is as bad as shopping for fresh drones to me. I get sidetracked at the store :)
I would love am amar sentry boat :) over scripts the omnis but can't think of a reason worth overheat. would have to be Pvp. Maybe a typhoon fleet issue? |
Ralph King-Griffin
Var Foundation inc.
296
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Posted - 2014.02.09 09:57:00 -
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Tippia wrote:GǪalso, finally being able to overheat drone stats? A-a-awesome. I can only hope they give us more GǣnerfsGǥ like that. I can't believe more people haven't twiged on to this. If in doubt...do...excessively. |
Rhanna Khurin
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.02.09 10:28:00 -
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Only elite type ships aggro drones. Normal ships still have the old AI when it come to drones.
As per usual mission tactics. just try and kill frigates and elite ships first then your drones will have trouble free fun. |
Implying Implications
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.02.09 10:46:00 -
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Missioning is hard. Signed, Implying |
Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
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Posted - 2014.02.09 20:16:00 -
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See what happened was CCP Falcon was sitting around one day and said "I, in my greatness and infinite glory, shall name a ship after myself, and there shall be much ganking of newbs!"
So he sat around in his Falcon at a gate but noticed that some ships were warping away before he could scramble them. Then he said "This cannot be, for they mock my awesome leetness!" and he added a warp bubble to the ship, so he wouldn't have to actually target people to catch them.
But then someone had a sooped-up speedy ship and they outran his bubble, and the Great One cried "No! I cannot allow this, I shall make my namesake insanely fast as well" and it was done. Now he could catch every hapless newbie that came past and pwn them.
Then something terrible happened - someone fell into his bubble who could actually shoot back! Reeling in terror, CCP Falcon said "No! How dare these pathetic newbs shoot back at my leetness! I shall fill my ship with uber ECM buffs and put an end to this heresy at once!" And it was so.
Alas, even this was not enough. One day a drone ship fell into the bubble of CCP Falcon's namesake ship and launched it's drones. Even though it was bubbled, outrun, outmanuvered, and permajammed, it's drones kept on attacking anyway and his ship actually took a point of armor damage!
This insult simply could not be allowed to stand, so every patch since then has - as punishment for our wicked transgressions - has slowly but surely been grinding drones away to utter uselessness. Nullsec in a Nutshell: http://nedroid.com/comics/2006-08-24-2155-arrrdino.gif |
Infinity Ziona
Drags are Bud
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Posted - 2014.02.11 13:20:00 -
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Lugalbandak wrote:drones are fine and getting better , most staps ccp is making lately is to destroy the freaking afk world in eve wich is a good thing.(hello archon blob , hello lvl4 runner etc etc)
im still able to solo most 10/10 in a rattle snake relying heavyly on drones , i just need to play and watch my drones carefully.
eve is/was a very afk promoted game , in any other game i play as soon as i start to bake a cake i will die.
keep up the good work ccp
o/ Except no one used light or medium drones to AFK. They used Doms with heavy drones but more often sentries. AFKing is as easy as ever. You pop your sentries and go AFK. Gardes II will murder anything from battleships to elite frigs. Want to make billions a week solo running combat sites in null sec? -á Read my Exploratation Guide here -> https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=309467 |
Leoric Firesword
Dark Fusion Industries Limitless Inc.
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Posted - 2014.02.11 15:30:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Drones were a perfectly decent waepons system, then some dev got it into his head to wreck them by altering the AI to be hyper-aggressive towards drones (remember how that was supposed to be an iterative step...how's that working out?) Using mobile drones was eliminated from PvE with that nerf.
So people migrated to an inferior damage system , sentries. That did not sit well with the dev, because in his view, people in high sec were still making too much cash.
So using the excuse of needing eliminate a problem with blobs in null sec, he wiped out sentry use with the destruction of the omnidirectional module.
And that is where we stand today, where anyone who uses drones in PvE outside of a range bonused hull like the Ishtar and Domi, is utterly screwed.
My Armageddon does completely fine with the drone/omni directional changes.
I've even learned to watch my cap better because of the changes. HTFU |
Vai Yun
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.02.11 15:35:00 -
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I usually need to destroy the frigates with cruise missiles cause my maxed drones die in a few seconds after deployment. They suck so bad... |
seth Hendar
I love you miners
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Posted - 2014.02.11 16:08:00 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Tippia wrote:GǪalso, finally being able to overheat drone stats? A-a-awesome. I can only hope they give us more GǣnerfsGǥ like that. I can't believe more people haven't twiged on to this. maybe because they did the math and found that even overheated, the stats are still worse than pre patch?
if you factor in that, in pve, overheating is not a thing (unless for tank in very bad situation), it is a direct nerf |
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Soldarius
Deadman W0nderland Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2014.02.11 16:22:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Drones were a perfectly decent waepons system, then some dev got it into his head to wreck them by altering the AI to be hyper-aggressive towards drones (remember how that was supposed to be an iterative step...how's that working out?) Using mobile drones was eliminated from PvE with that nerf.
So people migrated to an inferior damage system , sentries. That did not sit well with the dev, because in his view, people in high sec were still making too much cash.
So using the excuse of needing eliminate a problem with blobs in null sec, he wiped out sentry use with the destruction of the omnidirectional module.
And that is where we stand today, where anyone who uses drones in PvE outside of a range bonused hull like the Ishtar and Domi, is utterly screwed.
By this logic, one would think you are expecting to get the same offensive performance out of a Rail Legion as a Rail Tengu. Clearly, a bonused hull is the best choice for any given weapons system.
Omnis are now similar to Tracking Computers, which is appropriate since they perform the exact same role as said TC. Now we just need a midslot damage application item for missiles. And don't go say TP/webs. Everyone can use those already.
Free Ripley Weaver! |
Notorious Fellon
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.02.11 16:26:00 -
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Vai Yun wrote:I usually need to destroy the frigates with cruise missiles cause my maxed drones die in a few seconds after deployment. They suck so bad...
I think a lot of the hardliners (on either end of the discussion) lack experience in fighting enemies from all factions.
My Geddon is fine after the changes against Sansha, but against Gurista (The Assault) it was rather painful and slow. My testing confirmed that I need to rework a few things before taking any drone ship back into sleeper fights. I am glad I took the time to play around in HS L4's before jumping back. The changes don't seem to be the end of the world though. |
Lugalbandak
Anunnaku Warfare Corp.
461
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Posted - 2014.02.11 18:43:00 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Tippia wrote:GǪalso, finally being able to overheat drone stats? A-a-awesome. I can only hope they give us more GǣnerfsGǥ like that. I can't believe more people haven't twiged on to this.
oh and awesome it is :) The police horse is the only animal in the world that haz his male genitals on his back |
Paul Panala
Circulus Exousias Sentinel Alliance
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Posted - 2014.02.11 18:51:00 -
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Drayona wrote:
I understand CCP wanted to stop the AFK thing....but....read what I said...I killed everything except last 5. (clearly, I am not AFK). I lock all targets, and fire 3 missiles on closest and 3 on 2nd closest. At this point, all are very close since distant ones were wiped out previously. So.... 5 remaining targets...all locked. 2 fired upon by my raven At this point, launch drones (set to passive) I engage either of the two targets I am firing upon..... Instant aggro...return to drone bay....one is 'stuck??....and does not make it back. 3 Separate L4's ...similar results.
So, again I accept CCP wanting to shut down AFK, but as you can see...I can not use drones anymore. Keeping an eye on them will not help. No biggie I guess...just have to come up with another strategy to deal with the warp scramblers, and put all my drones into retirement.
If the five remaining targets where elite frigs, then yes, that makes since. They eat drones alive, especially if it was Med sized drones you launched. I make ISK running level 4s and yes, I lose a drone every now and then, but it is not at all the way you make it sound. |
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