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pyr8t
S0 L337 1T HURTS
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Posted - 2014.02.10 12:38:00 -
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On/Off Player since 2006... currently 'on' again and here's what I see:
- In the beginning there was High Sec, Low Sec, and Null Sec. Now, there's only High Sec and Null Sec.
Slightly more profitable and more risky than High Sec yet much less risky and less dangerous than Null Sec--Low Sec used to be this middle ground. It was a dynamic and interesting place to be. In a previous era, it used to be that one could dart around in Low Sec, solo even. That isn't the case at all today. Currently, Low Sec is as dangerous as Null used to be (and is). There's two problems that I see: Absent currently, is a reason to be in Low Sec. There are no rewards in Low Sec to justify the magnitudinal increase in risk of being there. It's severely disproportionate--the risk/reward here makes no sense at all. It really can't get anymore disproportionate.
EVE needs Low Sec dynamism back.
- 0.0 space & Sovereignty. I will say only two things here: Firstly, how little has changed in 10 years. It still feels stagnate. The same powerblocks, the same big names in the same places. Someone made a timelaps overview of one whole year of 0.0 sovereignty/control changes and the map stayed exactly the same. There needs to be more strategic risk in the way 0.0 operates. If a major force is out attacking, then it should be vulnerable to attack somewhere else unless there is also a sizable defense there. And that's why nothing changes. That's why it's a game of who has the largest wrecking ball and not whose strategically more inclined--the current mechanics offer no such attack/defend dynamic--only wrecking ball.
- Bounty Hunter System still a joke, and I really wish it wasn't. Really.
- Minmatar is still the hard mode of EVE and always will be. The amount of cross training needed to fly the ships with only a modicum of proficiency is so steep it makes you dizzy. You need shield and armor, turrets and missiles/torpedos. The few stand out ships here seem to be less useful now. Despite the changes over the years, Minmatar ships are less than equal (maybe one exception, or two, but literally only two). Once you train all the things you're left feeling dirty, because some other race does 'it' better.
- Caldari always was and remains the easy mode of EVE. Best Ratting ship? Best T3? Best anything? Always Caldari. Check any fitting thread of any non Caldari ship in all of EVE in the last ten years and there will be a minimum of two-to-three comments saying, "honestly, just use missiles" or "Caldari XYZ does this better, because..." "tengue" etc., Perhaps flavor-of-the-month ships of other races come and go, but Caldari always remain on top. In 10 years nothing changed.
- The single greatest problem with EVE, 10 years ago and still today, is that nothing in the whole EVE experience is visceral or palpable for the player---it's all spreadsheets. Even "flying" and combat--the most exciting part of EVE I guess--is spreadsheets. I'm into that sort of thing, so I like it, but there still needs to be a visceral experience in there somewhere the player can grab. Walking In Station is visceral and palpable, the problem though is it is entirely disconnected from the game... it is so disconnected from the rest of EVE as to make no sense whatsoever. It's interesting and I like it, I really like it, it just makes zero sense. This will always be EVE's shortcoming, and there's nothing that can fix it. Just do EVE2 already.
- It took CCP 10 years to streamline the autopilot system. Really? Thank you, 10 years too god damn ******* late.
- Lastly, the community has severely degraded. As Exhibit "A" I guarantee the first three responses to this post to be vile trolling. And probably the next three after that.
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Schmata Bastanold
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
1403
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Posted - 2014.02.10 12:41:00 -
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S0 5TO0P1D 1T HU4T5 I am not my skills but... http://eveboard.com/pilot/Schmata_Bastanold |
Tauranon
Weeesearch Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere
720
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Posted - 2014.02.10 12:41:00 -
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lowsec is just fine the way it is. hard to do content with 10 unknowns in every system.
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Kim Cho
WaveFire Digital
3
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Posted - 2014.02.10 12:43:00 -
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Okay, and now what? |
Aziesta
Serenity Labs
403
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Posted - 2014.02.10 12:50:00 -
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Anyone can point at something and say "I don't like it". But that doesn't accomplish much. Instead of whining, how about proposing fixes? And no, "buff Minmatar" is not a proposed fix.
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pyr8t wrote:Just do EVE2 already. I sincerely hope you're joking. The great thing about EVE is that it is constantly evolving. An EVE2 would be one of the worst things CCP could do to New Eden. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
19294
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Posted - 2014.02.10 13:06:00 -
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YeahGǪ most of those statements are indeed 8 years out of date. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
Pix Severus
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
326
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Posted - 2014.02.10 13:07:00 -
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You type surprisingly well for an 8 year old. |
Joan Greywind
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
326
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Posted - 2014.02.10 13:07:00 -
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1- Low sec has its problems but it is in a much better state than it ever was. FW still is very rewarding for the risk. No blobs and no bubbles, working as intended.
2- A year and the map didn't change? Are you sure you weren't high when you were looking at the map? In a year dinner coalition died with one of the biggest alliances purged (test), emergence of the russian bloc, and currently one of the most powerful cap alliances is being purged (nc., n3) out of nullsec. So much for no changes, and "stagnant".
3- Bounty hunting is bad, but definitely than it ever was, but it was never a big part of the game and it still isn't.
4- Minamatar in my opinion has the best small gang ships in the game, the usage numbers prove my point, that is all I have to say to that.
5-The tengu is not the best t3 at least not the best by a wide margin especially after the heavy missile nerf. And when was PVE an important aspect of the game anyways?
6- Wis supporters, figures, this is a game about spaceships and not second life in space get over it.
7- If you are a decent a player you should never autopilot anyways, and even if you it has been fixed for a very long time and not "10 years".
8- When you spew your garbage you deserve being trolled, it is like me saying oh the police are so brutal, if I go and spit in an officer's face I guarantee I will get at least 3 smacks.
Lastly go back to wow you carebear scrub, you don't deserve EVE.
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Kimmi Chan
Tastes Like Purple
1066
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Posted - 2014.02.10 13:22:00 -
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Pix Severus wrote:You type surprisingly well for an 8 year old.
LOL I was thinking the same thing. He's like one of those spelling **** child prodigies!
"You should just create one thread and put all of your complaints in it instead of littering the forums with multiple threads." ~CCP Falcon
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Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
4649
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Posted - 2014.02.10 13:37:00 -
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Pretty much all of that is wrong and seems to come from a seriously outdated perspective.
Regarding low sec: Low sec people will of course disagree but numbers don't lie: the only thing that keeps low sec from being the least populated areas of New Eden is Wormholes, and it's a bad sign when an area's population is not to much higher than the space with no gates and no local lol.
There are lots of theories of why. I subscribe to the "worst of both worlds" theory. Low Sec gets most of the crappy parts of both high and null without much in the way of advantage.
Like High Sec that is an automated protection response against unlawful aggression, but that response (gate/station guns and a sec hit maybe) is so weak as to almost be non-existent. So carebears won't go there even though CCP has thrown rewards at it. Faction Warfare in the beginning paid you nothing (but pvp lol), CCP put lvl 5s in low sec and only low sec (despite the old high sec lvl 5 bug) to give the place something special and now there are clone ship spawns that can be found and STILL low sec it unpopular.
As far as carebearing goes Low sec suffers a bit I think from the same pve imbalance that affects null sec ie why screw with low sec lvl 4s that give you a slight bump in rewards and lvl 5s that are hard to do unless you have a dedicated group or your own carriers, alts and POSs scattered around when you can spam lvl 4s in the CONCORD guaranteed safety of high sec 23.5/7 and not get screwed with if you are StupidFit?
And while it's supposed to be an "easier access to pvp ground", the sec status hits can eventually force a pvp player to do things (like missions or ratting or buying tags) or else get locked out of high sec. You can pvp all day and all night forever in null or in wormholes or in high sec via wardecs and groups like RvB without penalty, but the transient/vagabond nature of low makes wardecs useless in low.
Sure, low sec doesn't have bubbles like null and people can dock in any station they wish unless they are in faction warfare, but still the mechanics of low sec make pvping in low much more annoying for a lot of us compared to other places.
I don't really know what a good fix would be, I just know that for me personally, of all parts of EVE, low sec is the place where I've had the least fun, and that's saying something given that I was an original Faction Warfare player. |
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Mac Tir
State War Academy Caldari State
133
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Posted - 2014.02.10 13:40:00 -
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Caldari seem to be regarded quite disdainfully from what I've gathered in my time here. Their capitals seem to come up particularly short. What might please you is the thorough overhaul of frigates and cruisers, which had be universally well received; something of a rarity in Eve. I've no interest in null politics so can't really comment; it seems to be a playground for the rich and famous. I would like to see a reason to dip my toes into lowsec though. |
Yarda Black
Epidemic. Spaceship Samurai
27
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Posted - 2014.02.10 13:41:00 -
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I agree that lowsec is "broken". There's dudes dropping 10 Black-OP BS's on every ibis they see. I would suggest removing cyno ability from lowsec, but that removes one of the biggest uses it has right now: moving caps around.
Null isnt CCP's fault. People are scared to lose ships. Blobbing up with everybody else solves that problem. It also creates our current issue.
I like Minmatar being difficult to train. It's why my PvP character is Minmatar. They used to have attribute distributions helping with that tho.
If EVE consisted of "nice" people; I'd probably stop playing. If you know the other dude is an (insert bad word), shooting at them becomes even sweeter right?
No. You cant have my stuff if yall become pink bunnies.
Guess you'll be off for a few years now?
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Aargolos
Estrale Frontiers Project Wildfire
35
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Posted - 2014.02.10 13:57:00 -
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My main (and only) character is Minmatar. Yeah, it took a long time to train up skills to fly some ships "properly", but that's not a bad thing. I learned a hell of a lot in that time.
Now, I can fly anything sub-cap and still find myself flying Matari ships almost exclusively.
Not seeing a problem with it. |
djentropy Ovaert
Crazy Bird Inc.
52
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Posted - 2014.02.10 14:03:00 -
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pyr8t wrote:On/Off Player since 2006... currently 'on' again and here's what I see:
In the beginning there was High Sec, Low Sec, and Null Sec. Now, there's only High Sec and Null Sec. Slightly more profitable and more risky than High Sec yet much less risky and less dangerous than Null Sec--Low Sec used to be this middle ground. It was a dynamic and interesting place to be. In a previous era, it used to be that one could dart around in Low Sec, solo even. That isn't the case at all today. Currently, Low Sec is as dangerous as Null used to be (and is). There's two problems that I see: Absent currently, is a reason to be in Low Sec. There are no rewards in Low Sec to justify the magnitudinal increase in risk of being there. It's severely disproportionate--the risk/reward here makes no sense at all. It really can't get anymore disproportionate.
EVE needs Low Sec dynamism back.
You're doing it wrong.
Low Sec is amazing. This character was created in late December of 2013 - that puts me at not quite two months old. Found a wonderful FW corp full of great people, we roam low sec every night. Amazing fun. Tons of PVP, epic fights, and a lot of profit. I am already able to PLEX my account and not have to pay a subscription fee, with tons left over to field whatever kind of ships I want.
Low sec is amazing.
You are just doing it wrong. |
djentropy Ovaert
Crazy Bird Inc.
52
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Posted - 2014.02.10 14:13:00 -
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Yarda Black wrote:I agree that lowsec is "broken". There's dudes dropping 10 Black-OP BS's on every ibis they see. I would suggest removing cyno ability from lowsec, but that removes one of the biggest uses it has right now: moving caps around.
Funny. Two months straight of roaming low sec seven nights a week, we got blopped on - ONCE. While engaging in ops with two other corps and probably letting our intel get a little loose. Also, the only losses we took were a couple players who were fooled into engaging obvious bait that was obvious.
It's not all that bad. Sure, there are some total hellholes (Old Man Star and Tama come to mind) - but even then the only time I run into any issues there is if I make a mistake. "10 black-OP BS's on every ibis they see" must be taking place somewhere else. Even Tama is not that bad. |
Chopper Rollins
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
529
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Posted - 2014.02.10 14:32:00 -
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Lowsec is as dangerous as null? Nah. Allow alliances with very high unmodified faction standings to apply for the post of lowsec constellation governance. Suddenly a reason to have people blitzing missions all day, like they do anyway. Within the governed constellation, members of this player CONCORD are boosted when fighting anyone with sec of -2 or lower and get no aggro timers or flags. Other benefits like free repairs, more or faster lab slots, whatevah. Increased PVE, market activity and ship loss = sexy results. Naturally there would have to be a way to lose the post but you get my drift, create butans the players can press, let mayhem blurt content.
Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good. |
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
11050
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Posted - 2014.02.10 14:38:00 -
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haha nailed that last one anyway
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Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
2752
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Posted - 2014.02.10 14:57:00 -
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I think the only reason low-sec is unrewarding is because there aren't enough loot pinatas. Explorers are smart, PvPers are smart, PI people have no worthwhile loot and neither do miners. All the idiots are in high sec and null sec and that's where the money is. Oh god. |
Yarda Black
Epidemic. Spaceship Samurai
27
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Posted - 2014.02.10 15:36:00 -
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djentropy Ovaert wrote:Yarda Black wrote:I agree that lowsec is "broken". There's dudes dropping 10 Black-OP BS's on every ibis they see. I would suggest removing cyno ability from lowsec, but that removes one of the biggest uses it has right now: moving caps around.
Funny. Two months straight of roaming low sec seven nights a week, we got blopped on - ONCE. While engaging in ops with two other corps and probably letting our intel get a little loose. Also, the only losses we took were a couple players who were fooled into engaging obvious bait that was obvious. It's not all that bad. Sure, there are some total hellholes (Old Man Star and Tama come to mind) - but even then the only time I run into any issues there is if I make a mistake. "10 black-OP BS's on every ibis they see" must be taking place somewhere else. Even Tama is not that bad.
Good to read! That roaming is what makes low fun imho. Based on that information I'm retracting my statement that low is broken. I was drop-blobbed to **** for weeks and it drove me insane. A streak of bad luck it seems.
That ofcourse also means I dont agree with anything the OP said anymore... |
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
274
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Posted - 2014.02.10 15:44:00 -
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TBH the main "problem" with low is not blobs, it is the fact that aside from a few choke points with campers swapping pron and FW ppl running plexes low is pretty much empty. Sure a lot of PPL do PI but they basically log their PI alts in once a week to do a quick cloaky run and then logout again for another week. |
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djentropy Ovaert
Crazy Bird Inc.
50
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Posted - 2014.02.10 15:51:00 -
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Yarda Black wrote:
Good to read! That roaming is what makes low fun imho. Based on that information I'm retracting my statement that low is broken. I was drop-blobbed to **** for weeks and it drove me insane. A streak of bad luck it seems.
That ofcourse also means I dont agree with anything the OP said anymore...
I just hope I never run into your luck :P
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Hal Morsh
The Witch's Hammer
7
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Posted - 2014.02.10 16:07:00 -
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Yarda Black wrote:There's dudes dropping 10 Black-OP BS's on every ibis they see.
Hes not even kidding here.
I went to go through lowsec with my navitas I forgot why though, and there is a loki on the gate, well he instalocks me when I try to warp. I figure i'm dead because it's a loki. Then 10 other people warp in to help kill me...... In a rep frigate not even worth 1 mill...
Really?? |
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
274
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Posted - 2014.02.10 16:12:00 -
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Hal Morsh wrote:Yarda Black wrote:There's dudes dropping 10 Black-OP BS's on every ibis they see.
Hes not even kidding here. I went to go through lowsec with my navitas I forgot why though, and there is a loki on the gate, well he instalocks me when I try to warp. I figure i'm dead because it's a loki. Then 10 other people warp in to help kill me...... In a rep frigate not even worth 1 mill... Really??
The moral is hit F10.
If the maps show no pilots in space and only one pod killed in 24 hours then its highly unlikely you will jump through the gate and find 10 black ops BS just sitting around. |
pyr8t
S0 L337 1T HURTS
32
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Posted - 2014.02.10 16:25:00 -
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Gate camps and blobs are killing Low Sec.
Gate camps (and station camps) were 'a thing' 8 years ago as well, don't get me wrong, it's nothing new, but back then they were few in number and rare in occurrence, nothing like the 24/7 gate camps scattered all over low sec today. T3 ships, T2 battleships ships with siege, RR battleships, etc., were not around back then, or were at least few in number for a long time. CCP tried to strengthen the gate guns once which ultimately changed little.
If not a gate camp, then it's a roving blob scouring each system for lone ibis's while waiting to run into another blob doing the exact same thing. In this way, low sec is really just null sec, sans warp disruption bubbles. I'm all for grief play but Low Sec is 100% grief play right now, and nothing else.
Even if you disagree with everything I just said, the half life of a player piloting solo in Low Sec is about one minute. And for what? Why take this risk? Zero dynamism here.
/Low Sec is Dead Sec. |
Yarda Black
Epidemic. Spaceship Samurai
27
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Posted - 2014.02.10 16:26:00 -
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Hasikan Miallok wrote:Hal Morsh wrote:Yarda Black wrote:There's dudes dropping 10 Black-OP BS's on every ibis they see.
Hes not even kidding here. I went to go through lowsec with my navitas I forgot why though, and there is a loki on the gate, well he instalocks me when I try to warp. I figure i'm dead because it's a loki. Then 10 other people warp in to help kill me...... In a rep frigate not even worth 1 mill... Really?? The moral is hit F10. If the maps show no pilots in space and only one pod killed in 24 hours then its highly unlikely you will jump through the gate and find 10 black ops BS just sitting around.
Thats cos they're most likely sitting on nr 11 along with their recon and t3 buddies :)
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Signal11th
Northern Coalition.
1281
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Posted - 2014.02.10 16:34:00 -
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Just because you have an old account doesn't make you a vet. Powered by-áreaTh-áFilter V1.23 "All posts by this pilot are personal held views and not representitive of-áany-ácorp or alliance I am currently a member of. Like I'd give a-ásh*t anyway. God Said "Come Forth and receive eternal life!" I came fifth and won a toaster. |
Lfod Shi
Lfod's Ratting and Salvage Darwins Lemmings
190
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Posted - 2014.02.10 16:39:00 -
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I approve of these myths and/or legends. ...end transmission... GÖ¬ They'll always be bloodclaws to me GÖ½ |
Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
4648
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Posted - 2014.02.10 16:50:00 -
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pyr8t wrote:Gate camps and blobs are killing Low Sec.
Gate camps (and station camps) were 'a thing' 8 years ago as well, don't get me wrong, it's nothing new, but back then they were few in number and rare in occurrence, nothing like the 24/7 gate camps scattered all over low sec today. T3 Faction ships with siege and RR battleships were not around back then, or were at least few in number for a long time. CCP tried to strengthen the gate guns once which ultimately changed little.
If not a gate camp, then it's a roving blob scouring each system for lone ibis's while waiting to run into another blob doing the exact same thing. In this way, low sec is really just null sec, sans warp disruption bubbles. I'm all for grief play but Low Sec is 100% grief play right now, and nothing else.
Even if you disagree with everything I just said, the half life of a player piloting solo in Low Sec is about one minute. And for what? Why take this risk? Zero dynamism here.
/Low Sec is Dead Sec.
Where can i get a t3 faction ship with siege? i WANT. |
seth Hendar
I love you miners
445
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Posted - 2014.02.10 16:55:00 -
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pyr8t wrote:Gate camps and blobs are killing Low Sec.
Gate camps (and station camps) were 'a thing' 8 years ago as well, don't get me wrong, it's nothing new, but back then they were few in number and rare in occurrence, nothing like the 24/7 gate camps scattered all over low sec today. T3 Faction ships with siege and RR battleships were not around back then, or were at least few in number for a long time. CCP tried to strengthen the gate guns once which ultimately changed little.
If not a gate camp, then it's a roving blob scouring each system for lone ibis's while waiting to run into another blob doing the exact same thing. In this way, low sec is really just null sec, sans warp disruption bubbles. I'm all for grief play but Low Sec is 100% grief play right now, and nothing else.
Even if you disagree with everything I just said, the half life of a player piloting solo in Low Sec is about one minute. And for what? Why take this risk? Zero dynamism here.
/Low Sec is Dead Sec. /me is flying solo in low sec all the time, not even cloacky, with cruisers/ BC and yet, i die really rarely.
but maybe i'm doing it wrong.
you can survive, no problem, but its true that 8 out of 10, when you will try picking up a fight, you will get droped, whether by a titan drop or a blops....wich is sad tbh..... |
AnotherUseless Alt
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
10
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Posted - 2014.02.10 18:42:00 -
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Posting in a "I want more easy targets" thread. "Self help is all in your head" |
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