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Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
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Posted - 2014.02.17 13:27:00 -
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admiral root wrote:La Nariz wrote:I find it really funny that CCP is only wrong when it doesn't support your view of how EVE should be.
I blame the nulluminati cartels and their sinister control over CCP.
Working as intended of course, which you would know Brother Root had you bothered to attend to last NSC (Nulluminati Steering Committee) meeting that we held in HED (because everyone in null was there, perfect timing though the HED-GP hilton was a bit crowded). I expect to see you at the next one, held 5 minutes from now in O-W.
Our evil plan to have our vassals (CCP) constantly nerf the place we actually play in (null sec) to the point of in-viability so that we can then send everyone to high sec where they are easier to suicide gank (somehow, suicide ganking them in null where there is no CONCORD to magically appear and blow us up is not as fulfilling) which in turn forces them to rent from us has born great fruit. We are particularly pleased with the deployment of the ESS which was the brain child of our loyal brothers in the "F you couch, they shoulda neva gave you hittas money" working group.
Wait. What? is this not the Nulluminati.Mittens.com forum? Damn damn it and damn internet explorer 9.
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admiral root
Red Galaxy Disband.
858
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Posted - 2014.02.17 13:36:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote: Our evil plan to have our vassals (CCP) constantly nerf the place we actually play in (null sec) to the point of in-viability so that we can then send everyone to high sec where they are easier to suicide gank (somehow, suicide ganking them in null where there is no CONCORD to magically appear and blow us up is not as fulfilling) which in turn forces them to rent from us has born great fruit. We are particularly pleased with the deployment of the ESS which was the brain child of our loyal brothers in the "F you couch, they shoulda neva gave you hittas money" working group.
Praise CCP Mittani for this glorious plan. \o/ No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff |
Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility Casoff
2509
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Posted - 2014.02.17 14:04:00 -
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Kimmi Chan wrote:So at the end of 30 pages it seems that everyone agrees that SovNull is fine for the big guys and the little guys. I mean seriously, read through this thread and all I see is bickering, whining, and general horseshit. it's impossible to have an actual discussion around npc alts and the various forums cancers |
E-2C Hawkeye
State War Academy Caldari State
485
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Posted - 2014.02.17 14:05:00 -
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Onictus wrote:Pinky Hops wrote:Gizznitt Malikite wrote:Rhes wrote:Actually that's a horrible idea. Marlona is just mad that they lost the war. There are currently no drawbacks to teleportation in EvE, and this is something that should exist. To be honest, I really don't care about the movement of capitals via teleportation, but I very much think bridging needs to have some limits similar to Marlona's suggestion. Goons would be forced to actually strategically position and defend borders, so it's a bad idea. It would give new alliances a fighting chance. It would be AWFUL for goons - they will never support it. The current status quo of defending and attacking anything from anywhere benefits them far too much for them to ever want that changed. LOL Yeah so what happens when the CFC goes offensive. We can dump the the N3's active numbers plus TEST, and pretty much every large FW and Pirate entity wherever we need to. Who is going to slow that down? No one will have to slow it down. Once they have crushed all the little guys they will emplode from within. Bordem will be their greatest enemy.
Sure they will try to harrass hi-sec or low even but the effect will be minimal and the effort to suceed will be to great for the bluesec horde.
Just like now how CFC have turned on BL they will turn on each other. People will continue to harass their renters adding fuel to the fire until CFC finally burn out. |
admiral root
Red Galaxy Disband.
861
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Posted - 2014.02.17 14:09:00 -
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E-2C Hawkeye wrote:Just like now how CFC have turned on BL they will turn on each other.
Huh, I thought CFC paid them 17 gazillion trillion isk for a contract that subsequently expired. No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
9050
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Posted - 2014.02.17 14:13:00 -
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Could someone please explain to me just how we have this incredible indisputable unbeatable influence over CCP's creative processes? "Pretty much all 14 of the CSM were in favor of a drone assign nerf for OBVIOUS gameplay reasons" - Sala Cameron
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admiral root
Red Galaxy Disband.
861
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Posted - 2014.02.17 14:16:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Could someone please explain to me just how we have this incredible indisputable unbeatable influence over CCP's creative processes?
Well, it all started with your CIA-China-Google acquisition and snowballed from there. No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff |
Doris Dents
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
376
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Posted - 2014.02.17 14:17:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Could someone please explain to me just how we have this incredible indisputable unbeatable influence over CCP's creative processes? Every time we use a mechanic too much CCP nerfs it so by constantly nerfing the **** out of us goons control CCP. |
E-2C Hawkeye
State War Academy Caldari State
485
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Posted - 2014.02.17 14:26:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote:Also there doesn't need to be a reversion to the old Sov system. It did suck as well but not as much as this new system which is allowing CFC to take over the entire map. While ping pong may have sucked, this sucks even more.
What allows the CFC to take over the entire map is that they are BETTER THAN EVERYONE ELSE. They've earned it. But you don't want to earn it, you don't want to earn anything. You just want CCP to hand it to you. Quote:We all pay the same amount of money, we all deserve to be able to PvP in our play time, regardless of time zone. That includes Sov PvP against Sov assets.
I called it. You want on demand PvP, on your terms only, sticking out your lower lip if you don't get what you want all the time. Go back to WoW, your entitlement mindset is appropriate there. Oh, hey Sov assets, right? Does that include POCOs this time?
LMAO @ earned it. They crashed the nodes by adding more people until CCP stopped reimbursing for the losses. They finally figured out that the way to beat the wrecking ball was with a bigger wrecking ball.
The CFC was formed to kill BOB...kuddos to mittens and the goonies and their pets for doing what they set out to do.
They have become what they formed to destroy. The only difference is BOB never controlled all of bluesec.
BOB was not destroyed by earning it and the mechanics have changed to where we will not be seeing a repeat of history.
Leave Blue-Sec let them crummble under their own weight. |
E-2C Hawkeye
State War Academy Caldari State
485
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Posted - 2014.02.17 14:31:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:baltec1 wrote:If we remove timers it will mean you will have to have a fleet on guard duty 24/7 and a large one at that. We can burn through any structure in a matter of minutes so IZ's idea would make it impossible for smaller alliances to hold anything in null. Hell it would be impossible for most of the big alliances to keep hold of anything.
Pretty much this. IZ can't stand to be wrong, so he keeps pushing the issue because he's mad that as a soloh playerz he can't be impactful all on his own. Guess what, chuckles. Go get some friends. If that's possible with a posting record like yours. And here we go with the I dont like what your saying so I will start with the childish attacks. |
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James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
9051
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Posted - 2014.02.17 14:35:00 -
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IZ has consistently demonstrated a poor understanding of topics such as game balance, game mechanics, and design intent. What he said want childish or unwarranted. "Pretty much all 14 of the CSM were in favor of a drone assign nerf for OBVIOUS gameplay reasons" - Sala Cameron
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Varius Xeral
Galactic Trade Syndicate
2257
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Posted - 2014.02.17 14:55:00 -
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Kimmi Chan wrote:So at the end of 30 pages it seems that everyone agrees that SovNull is fine for the big guys and the little guys. I mean seriously, read through this thread and all I see is bickering, whining, and general horseshit.
It's really no wonder CCP doesn't want to work on this. The players involved can not compromise, reason with each other, or post anything even remotely constructive without resorting to attacks and chest beating.
Don't get me wrong. It has been entertaining but literally nothing useful has been gained from any of the last 30 pages.
Let's see what you all can do with the next 30 pages.
It's unfortunate that this is the perception that a genuinely interested outsider gets from the clueless loudmouths and the exasperated trolling done in response on this broken forum. In reality there is a generally clear outline of where the problems lie and the type of changes that need to be made to enact real progress, though of course there is some disagreement on the exact details due to the enormity and complexity of the topic.
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Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
4813
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Posted - 2014.02.17 14:56:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:IZ has consistently demonstrated a poor understanding of topics such as game balance, game mechanics, and design intent. What he said wasn't childish or unwarranted.
He doesn't have a poor understanding of anything. He's not trolling. If he was that would actually be better.
He understands things perfectly fine, what he doesn't do well is 'accept' the reasons for those things. He lacks the ability to see a thing as good is if doesn't benefit him (many people are like that, but the most rational people understand that a thing can be bad for them and great for everyone else and vice versa). People like that always interested (given my rl line of work) me so I watched his posts in the F&I forum and it's plain amazing to see someone with such a narrow perspective.
Local gave warning to people he was trying to pew in null, so local needed to go away for that reason and that reason alone. Cloaks prevented him from finding someone in a solar system so same deal. Timers meant his small gang of alts couldn't kill a poco therefore all timers are from satan and must be banished. He likes battleships but battleships are not as good at solo work as cruisers are therefore the entire ship design paradigm needs to change (because he personally likes battleships). He didn't properly prepare for a solo null sec outtting (having to do like 70 jumps because he didn't properly prepare) therefore CCP should give him some way to refit in sov null (which lead to his hilarious claiming of credit for the mobile depot).
I could go on and on, the dude is like a walking psych experiment lol. Literally every opinion I've seen him express is flawed, and not from a lack of knowledge or intelligence, but simply from some insanely interesting (to me at least) inability to see past his one individual self interest.
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James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
9054
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Posted - 2014.02.17 14:58:00 -
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Yeah, I'm pretty sure you're right about that to be honest. "Pretty much all 14 of the CSM were in favor of a drone assign nerf for OBVIOUS gameplay reasons" - Sala Cameron
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy The ROC
2595
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Posted - 2014.02.17 15:13:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:IZ has consistently demonstrated a poor understanding of topics such as game balance, game mechanics, and design intent. What he said wasn't childish or unwarranted.
It was unsportsmanlike, certainly. Like shooting fish in a barrel. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á |
Anthar Thebess
REPUBLIKA ORLA C0VEN
357
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Posted - 2014.02.17 15:18:00 -
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This map is wrong. Remember that CFC and PL have NIP for their SOV space , including every thing north from PL/BOT holdings. And there is no neutral states ( white ones). Faction Dreadnoughts
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La Nariz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1684
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Posted - 2014.02.17 16:02:00 -
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Back to the topic at hand, highsec definitely needs a nerf so there can be more competition over nullsec via economic incentives. Nullsec needs the bottom up approach to work for alliance level income to combat the depopulation and to start the "farms and fields approach." Sov needs less HP/Timers and more objectives. People refuse to engage in diplomacy/negotiation/bargaining/politics in the zone that requires them and is all about them.
Did I miss anything?
For emphasis highsec is in dire need of a nerf. This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. Proof Highsec reward needs to be nerfed: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AqC-BTui2uSGdDlxa2dWOG5ieHB0QXBVWW82bGN5TFE&usp=sharing |
Varius Xeral
Galactic Trade Syndicate
2260
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Posted - 2014.02.17 16:18:00 -
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La Nariz wrote:Back to the topic at hand, highsec definitely needs a nerf so there can be more competition over nullsec via economic incentives. Nullsec needs the bottom up approach to work for alliance level income to combat the depopulation and to start the "farms and fields approach." Sov needs less HP/Timers and more objectives. People refuse to engage in diplomacy/negotiation/bargaining/politics in the zone that requires them and is all about them.
Did I miss anything?
For emphasis highsec is in dire need of a nerf.
Pretty reasonable summary.
Personally, I like to focus on the "more reasons and incentives for people to be in space doing day to day stuff, day to day stuff that requires cooperation and incentivizes competition". And this is applicable across all types of space, though it should manifest differently to accommodate the preferences and playstyles that the type of space caters to, as well as representing a coherent risk/reward balance across said space types. Everything else in the game will fall neatly into place, and changes that seem drastic on their own (power projection nerfs) will seem benign in a new game where the broken incentives that created these glaring imbalances no longer exist. Official Representative of The Nullsec Zealot Cabal |
E-2C Hawkeye
State War Academy Caldari State
485
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Posted - 2014.02.17 16:19:00 -
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La Nariz wrote:You realize all that you want to achieve can be done by nerfing highsec right? More competition means more pressure on big groups and desirable resources to play upon people's greed. LMAO try and derail threads much?? Give it and us a break from your nerf hi-sec crusade. Nerfing low or hi-sec will only strengthen the cfc hold. |
admiral root
Red Galaxy Disband.
865
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Posted - 2014.02.17 16:25:00 -
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E-2C Hawkeye wrote: Nerfing low or hi-sec will only strengthen the cfc hold.
Do you have any facts to back this up? No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff |
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La Nariz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1684
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Posted - 2014.02.17 16:33:00 -
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Varius Xeral wrote:La Nariz wrote:Back to the topic at hand, highsec definitely needs a nerf so there can be more competition over nullsec via economic incentives. Nullsec needs the bottom up approach to work for alliance level income to combat the depopulation and to start the "farms and fields approach." Sov needs less HP/Timers and more objectives. People refuse to engage in diplomacy/negotiation/bargaining/politics in the zone that requires them and is all about them.
Did I miss anything?
For emphasis highsec is in dire need of a nerf. Pretty reasonable summary. Personally, I like to focus on the "more reasons and incentives for people to be in space doing day to day stuff, day to day stuff that requires cooperation and incentivizes competition". And this is applicable across all types of space, though it should manifest differently to accommodate the preferences and playstyles that the type of space caters to, as well as representing a coherent risk/reward balance across said space types. Everything else in the game will fall neatly into place, and changes that seem drastic on their own (power projection nerfs) will seem benign in a new game where the broken incentives that created these glaring imbalances no longer exist.
That's something I hadn't considered, if you fixed it so bottom-up income was a thing, a power projection nerf wouldn't be that bad of an idea because you have a reason to live where you are over highsec. You wouldn't need the power projection as much as you do now. This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. Proof Highsec reward needs to be nerfed: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AqC-BTui2uSGdDlxa2dWOG5ieHB0QXBVWW82bGN5TFE&usp=sharing |
Varius Xeral
Galactic Trade Syndicate
2262
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Posted - 2014.02.17 16:54:00 -
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Yeah, with there generally being no reason for smaller scale regional conflict, the ability to actually get to the huge balls deep wars is an unfortunate necessity. However, if there existed a much more robust gradation of conflict, then we wouldn't rely on just the huge wars over epeen between ~spaceelites (who are all irl friends anyway) as the only nullsec content. These huge wars will always happen no matter what, even after a power projection nerf, but it would be better if they were the cream on top of a more diverse and substantial nullsec content cake instead of a thin smear that the average joe nullsec will be bored of in less than a year. Official Representative of The Nullsec Zealot Cabal |
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ISD LackOfFaith
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
1221
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Posted - 2014.02.17 17:19:00 -
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Thread locked for a good scrubbing. ISD LackOfFaith Lieutenant Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department @ISD_LackOfFaith on Twitter |
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