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Kypore Adoudel
Quak Attack
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Posted - 2014.02.12 23:38:00 -
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I was recently suicide ganked in high sec and I am wondering if there are any good ways to avoid this or any good fits that will keep me alive till concord arrives? |
Termy Rockling
EVE University Ivy League
150
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Posted - 2014.02.12 23:40:00 -
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Damagecontrol, shield hardener, can add shield extender rigs too if you really want to push it, not that important. If you really worried , just use procurer with tank. |
Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
3519
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Posted - 2014.02.12 23:50:00 -
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It is really hard to tank a retriever. Max tank fits are still going to be about 22k EHP and die to a few dessies. If you are mining in a "dangerous" area, use a Procurer. It will have more yield but less storage space (which hurts).
The following has lots of extra PG and CPU, 50+k EHP, and more yield than a tanky Retriever:
[Procurer, New Setup 1] Mining Laser Upgrade II Mining Laser Upgrade II
Survey Scanner II Medium Shield Extender II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I
Medium Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Hornet EC-300 x5
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stoicfaux
4083
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Posted - 2014.02.12 23:53:00 -
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20k EHP versus omni, hybrid void, RF EMP
[Retriever, New Setup 1] Reinforced Bulkheads II Reinforced Bulkheads II Damage Control II
Residual Survey Scanner I
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I Medium Core Defense Field Extender I Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Hobgoblin I x5
But, also Procurer. Untanked, the darn thing has 29k EHP versus omni.
WASABI: Warp Acceleration System Ancillary Boost Injected(Gäó)
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stoicfaux
4083
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Posted - 2014.02.12 23:55:00 -
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Gizznitt Malikite wrote: Hornet EC-300 x5
No point in ECM drones. It supposedly takes 20 seconds before the ECM roll is actually made, and the gank should be over by then.
WASABI: Warp Acceleration System Ancillary Boost Injected(Gäó)
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IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
680
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Posted - 2014.02.12 23:58:00 -
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Retriever you can put a DCU and T2 Invuln but it still can be ganked. Get a Procurer
84k EHP and all resists above 70%
[Procurer, Highsec] Mining Laser Upgrade II Damage Control II
Medium Shield Extender II EM Ward Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I Medium Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Hobgoblin II x5
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Cara Forelli
Darkstorm Corporation
282
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Posted - 2014.02.13 14:46:00 -
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stoicfaux wrote:Gizznitt Malikite wrote: Hornet EC-300 x5
No point in ECM drones. It supposedly takes 20 seconds before the ECM roll is actually made, and the gank should be over by then.
Not that I don't believe you, but do you have a source for that? 20 seconds seems like forever. Although I suppose this would prevent people from simply recalling / re-aggressing over and over until they got a jam. www.ensignyooch.wordpress.com
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Gh0stBust3rs
Wraith Shadow Guards D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
43
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Posted - 2014.02.13 15:35:00 -
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Kypore Adoudel wrote:I was recently suicide ganked in high sec and I am wondering if there are any good ways to avoid this or any good fits that will keep me alive till concord arrives?
its a retriever. They tend to be cheap enough to not go all out with tank.
Fit some resist amps and a shield extender and call it quits. Rigs arent worth it until your are using a mack or hulk.
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stoicfaux
4087
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Posted - 2014.02.13 17:36:00 -
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Cara Forelli wrote:stoicfaux wrote:Gizznitt Malikite wrote: Hornet EC-300 x5
No point in ECM drones. It supposedly takes 20 seconds before the ECM roll is actually made, and the gank should be over by then. Not that I don't believe you, but do you have a source for that? 20 seconds seems like forever. Although I suppose this would prevent people from simply recalling / re-aggressing over and over until they got a jam. Nope, it's second hand info. (and my google-fu has failed.) However, I vaguely recall it was done to prevent the recall/re-launch exploit.
WASABI: Warp Acceleration System Ancillary Boost Injected(Gäó)
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Sister Night
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.02.13 21:55:00 -
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buy n fit a procurer |
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Fluffi Flaffi
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
86
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Posted - 2014.02.14 08:45:00 -
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Yeah, Please, please everybody buy a procurer. Less yield for all of you, higher prices and more income for REAL Miners with "brain".
I haven't read the best proposal yet (attention, could be ironic): STAY DOCKED and nobody will kill you. Believe me!
What the hell is going on, that everybody is so damn afraid of ganks and not doing a simple calculation about profitibility.
[Retriever] Damage Control II Mining Laser Upgrade II Mining Laser Upgrade II
Thermal / EM Hardener (depending on which gank ship you expect most, but I usually was fitted against Cata)
Modulated Strip Miner II Modulated Strip Miner II
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I Medium Core Defense Field Extender I Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Warrior I
Subsystem 1: Search for a good system, not directly on a trade route, near a trade hub and with no ice Subsystem 2: Get your tank skills (Shield Management, Mechanic, Hull Upgrades) to Level V and this will give you a nice 20k EHP or something around that figure, even more with Orca boost, but if you have an Orca around, better switch to Covetor. Subsystem 3: If you are still afraid, buy yourself some tank implants (3% for the ones with less ISK and 5% for the ones with enough ISK). It's damn HiSec, if you pay attention nobody will kill your pod. Subsystem 4: Rigs are well worth their money for this fit. Subsystem 5+6: No I wont tell you everything. That would be to "fluffi", even for me.
With this Fit all those 1-2 Catalyst LOL gankers will ignore you and if they ignore your fit they will die. If you are unlucky to get on scan for a drunken gank fleet for more ships even a procurer or Skiff won't safe you. It's all about making yourself less attractive.
If you fly Exhumers fit at least one active hardener / Invulnerability Field and activate it! Gankers will immediately recognise that you are tanked! If you want to die, fit a shield booster. Every Ganker will immediately know they can kill you easy. ;) |
Bertrand Butler
Cras es Noster
186
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Posted - 2014.02.14 08:52:00 -
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Quote:Yeah, Please, please everybody buy a procurer. Less yield for all of you, higher prices and more income for REAL Miners with "brain".
I haven't read the best proposal yet (attention, could be ironic): STAY DOCKED and nobody will kill you. Believe me! Shocked
What the hell is going on, that everybody is so damn afraid of ganks and not doing a simple calculation about profitibility.
Fluffi Flaffi, a 2 MLU procurer has exactly the same yield as a DC retriever. |
Fluffi Flaffi
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
86
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Posted - 2014.02.14 08:54:00 -
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Bertrand Butler wrote: Fluffi Flaffi, a 2 MLU procurer has exactly the same yield as a DC retriever.
on paper yes. I know. on PAPER! God damn, why is nobody thinking a little further? |
Bertrand Butler
Cras es Noster
186
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Posted - 2014.02.14 10:28:00 -
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The differences in applied yield comes from the smaller cargohold (a small factor in turnaround for non afk players) and the possible overmining a solitary strip can do if you don't pay attention.
Why would you think its the same as "This is like telling everybody you do 1.000dps in your battleship, jump into lowsec to kill everything, but apply not even 1 dps against the next frigate." ? |
Fluffi Flaffi
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
86
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Posted - 2014.02.14 11:12:00 -
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You gave the answer to your own question in the exact same post?!? Why are you asking then? But at least you understand a part (!) of it, but that are not all factors, but if you are not mining afk, the Procurer is even more meaningless to use. My godness that is so ridiculous ... New Order and all the other gankers surely lough about that!
Now please don't tell me you have as well Orca support with your Procurer? If so, I just can lough even more about that, like I did yesterday, when checking some belts because I read more and more often these days about: "Use a Proc.". And honestly I saw so many peoples in Procurers (yes even skiffs, which are by far the dumbest ship to use), even bigger mining fleets and just wanted to post "Facepalm Meme"s as much as I could.
HA HA
On the other side there is nothing to lough about. In fact I should cry what has happened to the miner community these days. New Order is on the way to win against you miners out there, honestly. Little sheeps you are, not more, not less. But please go ahead with the Procs as I said already. Real miners will be happy about that.
PS: Just to make it clear: Procurer is already a questionable decision, but Skiff is dumb like hell for mining in HiSec! |
unidenify
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.02.14 16:31:00 -
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Fluffi Flaffi wrote:You gave the answer to your own question in the exact same post?!? Why are you asking then? But at least you understand a part (!) of it, but that are not all factors, but if you are not mining afk, the Procurer is even more meaningless to use. My godness that is so ridiculous ... New Order and all the other gankers surely lough about that! And somehow I am sure that they understand more about mining then most of you guys Now please don't tell me you have as well Orca support with your Procurer? If so, I just can lough even more about that, like I did yesterday, when checking some belts because I read more and more often these days about: "Use a Proc.". And honestly I saw so many peoples in Procurers (yes even skiffs, which are by far the dumbest ship to use), even bigger mining fleets and just wanted to post "Facepalm Meme"s as much as I could. HA HA On the other side there is nothing to lough about. In fact I should cry what has happened to the miner community these days. New Order is on the way to win against you miners out there, honestly. Little sheeps you are, not more, not less. But please go ahead with the Procs as I said already. Real miners will be happy about that. PS: Just to make it clear: Procurer is already a questionable decision, but Skiff is dumb like hell for mining in HiSec! PS2: I mean a skiff!!! In HiSec? A skiff? Honestly, just quit Eve if you fly a skiff. Really, you should. No joke. A skiff? Oh my god. PS3: Skiffs I saw, mining in HiSec ... the end is near in Eve, isn't it?!?
TLDR: I AM MAD THAT MINER USE PROCURER/SKIFF TO DEFEND THEMSELVES FROM GANKER |
unidenify
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
45
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Posted - 2014.02.14 16:44:00 -
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IIshira wrote:Retriever you can put a DCU and T2 Invuln but it still can be ganked. Get a Procurer
84k EHP and all resists above 70%
[Procurer, Highsec] Mining Laser Upgrade II Damage Control II
Medium Shield Extender II EM Ward Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I Medium Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Hobgoblin II x5
[Procurer, anti-Catalyst loadout] Prototype Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane I Damage Control II
Medium F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction Limited Kinetic Deflection Field I Limited Thermic Dissipation Field I Limited Adaptive Invulnerability Field I
Modulated Strip Miner II, Scordite Mining Crystal I
Small Core Defense Field Extender I Small Core Defense Field Extender I Small Core Defense Field Extender I
more useful against Catalyst ganker
(assume Level 5 char) 100k EHP against Caldari anti-matter 98k EHP against Void
also, useful against T2 projectile ammo as all use kinetic/thermic |
Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
3530
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Posted - 2014.02.14 18:09:00 -
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stoicfaux wrote:Cara Forelli wrote:stoicfaux wrote:Gizznitt Malikite wrote: Hornet EC-300 x5
No point in ECM drones. It supposedly takes 20 seconds before the ECM roll is actually made, and the gank should be over by then. Not that I don't believe you, but do you have a source for that? 20 seconds seems like forever. Although I suppose this would prevent people from simply recalling / re-aggressing over and over until they got a jam. Nope, it's second hand info. (and my google-fu has failed.) However, I vaguely recall it was done to prevent the recall/re-launch exploit.
To be frank, I don't think this is true. However, I haven't tested it, and will do so at my first opportunity.
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Wagit
NMT
0
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Posted - 2014.02.15 12:05:00 -
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I would reccomend this rather inexpensive fit: 1) pay 10million ISK to James 315 for your mining permit. 2) do not AFK mine. 3) read minerbumping.com .
This seems to be a cheaper approach to the fits being offered to you. |
NearNihil
Every time is Fuwa time
118
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Posted - 2014.02.15 12:53:00 -
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If you're actively at the wheel while mining, a Procurer with a Miasmos alt to haul the stuff probably works best. As far as cost-effective gank-avoiding mining goes anyway. A Retriever solo can get up to about 20k EHP omni with a meta 4 medium shield extender, a DCII and shield extender rigs, though fitting strip mining lasers can be tough in that setup. Or if you have an alt that you don't want to stick in a hauler, prep CONCORD to your belt (= trigger a criminal response there, usually in a noobship), put them in a Blackbird or Griffin with Gallente jams right next to your barge (don't forget at least a LSE on that, too), and loljam your agressors if they decide to shoot you. |
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Goldensaver
Lom Corporation Brothers of Tangra
367
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Posted - 2014.02.16 11:26:00 -
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Can we all take a moment to just appreciate the OP?
They were ganked in highsec while mining, and rather than come on here and ***** and whine and complain about getting killed, then proceed to propose a series of terrible buff ideas, then a series of nerfs, then some completely ******** highsec mechanic overhauls, he's here to ask about how to avoid it in the future.
Thank you OP. Thank you.
Also, just a quick note, if you are fitting a Retriever for tank, you're better off getting a Procurer because it will have more tank and the same yield. The only exception is if you really need the ore hold. |
Damien White
Sonnenlegion Shadow Cartel
69
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Posted - 2014.02.16 11:46:00 -
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I think the best variant for solo mining without hauler alt is:
Quote:[Retriever, New Setup 1] Power Diagnostic System II Damage Control II Mining Laser Upgrade II
Medium F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I
Medium Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I Medium Core Defense Field Extender I Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
You have your 20k Omni, 47,5% on your lowest resistance against Catalyst (51% Thermal, 47,5% Kinetik) and still can use Tech 2 Strip Miners and MLU.
The Procurer might have the larger theoretical ore yield but at least in highsec you will have to mine nearly empty asteroids more than once and thus loose some of your extra yield. But more important, you will loose lots of yield/hr when you need to fly to a station to empty your cargo, something a Retriever has to do less than half as often as a procurer. 97% of girls would die if Justin Bieber were about to jump off a cliff. Post this in your sig if you`re part of the 3% yelling,
"DO A BARREL ROLL!" |
Arsine Mayhem
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
126
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Posted - 2014.02.16 12:31:00 -
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Sister Night wrote:buy n fit a procurer
This one. Not really much point in spending ISK trying to tank a retriever.
If you want to use a retriever, move out to a quieter system. |
IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
685
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Posted - 2014.02.16 16:17:00 -
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unidenify wrote:IIshira wrote:Retriever you can put a DCU and T2 Invuln but it still can be ganked. Get a Procurer
84k EHP and all resists above 70%
[Procurer, Highsec] Mining Laser Upgrade II Damage Control II
Medium Shield Extender II EM Ward Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I Medium Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Hobgoblin II x5
[Procurer, anti-Catalyst loadout] Prototype Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane I Damage Control II Medium F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction Limited Kinetic Deflection Field I Limited Thermic Dissipation Field I Limited Adaptive Invulnerability Field I Modulated Strip Miner II, Scordite Mining Crystal I Small Core Defense Field Extender I Small Core Defense Field Extender I Small Core Defense Field Extender I more useful against Catalyst ganker (assume Level 5 char) 100k EHP against Caldari anti-matter 98k EHP against Void also, useful against T2 projectile ammo as all use kinetic/thermic
Not a bad fit. All T2 projectile ammo may use Kinetic/Thermic but EMP is a popular choice. EMP does mostly EM damage but a smaller amount of Explosive and Kinetic . Just curious but you're talking about the EHP for a level 5 character but you're fitting T1 mods... T2 wouldn't cost much more and give you more EHP
You might want to update your EFT because the Retriever uses medium size rigs. |
Bertrand Butler
Cras es Noster
198
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Posted - 2014.02.16 16:49:00 -
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The absolute best you can do with a Highsec procurer without breaking the bank is the following:
[Procurer, Highsec]
Mining Laser Upgrade II Damage Control II
EM Ward Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Thermic Dissipation Field II Kinetic Deflection Field II
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I Medium Core Defense Field Extender I Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Hobgoblin II x5
It will give you 100/130/127k EHP hot (82/99/98) against EMP/antimatter/Void respectively. It fits with no implants (although its a little tight in CPU), and the procurement cost is 35mil rigged. Lastly, it sports a MLA so that your yield doesn't suffer much.
Hope that helps, cheers..C:
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ashley Eoner
280
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Posted - 2014.02.17 02:14:00 -
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Kypore Adoudel wrote:I was recently suicide ganked in high sec and I am wondering if there are any good ways to avoid this or any good fits that will keep me alive till concord arrives? 2x strip miner whatever 1x adaptive 1x DCU 2x MLU II 1x anti-em reinforcer 1x anti-therm reinforcer 1x field extender
Losing the adaptive for a scanner hurts the tank.
Takes 2 catalysts to gank in .5 space. I watched a pilot with 3% implants flying a t2 neutron catalyst overheated fail to gank one in .5 space.
Procurer is much tankier though. |
unidenify
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.02.17 19:12:00 -
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IIshira wrote:unidenify wrote:IIshira wrote:Retriever you can put a DCU and T2 Invuln but it still can be ganked. Get a Procurer
Not a bad fit. All T2 projectile ammo may use Kinetic/Thermic but EMP is a popular choice. EMP does mostly EM damage but a smaller amount of Explosive and Kinetic . Just curious but you're talking about the EHP for a level 5 character but you're fitting T1 mods... T2 wouldn't cost much more and give you more EHP You might want to update your EFT because the Retriever uses medium size rigs.
this fit keep it cheap (only 10 million to fit, and average cost for catalyst is around 5-10 million. at this point it will cost gankers more than it cost miner.)
and it would work fine for anyone who have basic skills of defense at character with zero skill on anything would get 60k EHP against Void Hybrid |
Flaming Forum Spammer
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.02.17 20:47:00 -
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mwd and cloak. activate both and align. deactivate cloak when cycle on MWD passes green and Warp. |
Too-Ticky
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.02.21 07:26:00 -
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I suicide gank retrievers and covetors for fun and tears.
I will always scan my targets before engaging.
There is only really one thing I can find on the scan that will put me off:
Damage control.
Fit one these on your retriever and I won't gank you, others might but I've learnt not to bother, there is usually an easier target a few belts or systems over.
Fly a procurer and I won't even warp to your belt.
Fair play to the OP for having this approach. No tears.
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SabotNoob
Sabot Industries
58
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Posted - 2014.02.21 19:12:00 -
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Bertrand Butler wrote:The absolute best you can do with a Highsec procurer without breaking the bank is the following: [Procurer, Highsec]
Mining Laser Upgrade II Damage Control II
EM Ward Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Thermic Dissipation Field II Kinetic Deflection Field II
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I Medium Core Defense Field Extender I Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Hobgoblin II x5 It will give you 100/130/127k EHP hot (82/99/98 cold) against EMP/antimatter/Void respectively. It fits with no implants (although its a little tight in CPU), and the procurement cost is 35mil rigged. Lastly, it sports a MLA so that your yield doesn't suffer much. Hope that helps, cheers..C:
This is what I just bought and used yesterday. Mining isn't my primary thing at all, but I can do it in the background while doing other EVE activities, and the Procurer with a fit like that is not only effective, but also inexpensive.
The yield and storage is low, but like I said, mining isn't my primary source of income so I'll take whatever it generates for me.
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