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Skippermonkey
Tactical Knightmare
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Posted - 2011.11.10 15:49:00 -
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CCP_Navigator wrote: game mechanics change to be applied during downtime on thursday, november 10 reported by CCP Navigator | 2011.11.10 10:33:00 | NEW
A part of the next client update will feature a change to aggression mechanics in high security space.
To benefit the EVE community at large, a small change has been made to game mechanics regarding criminal flags and how they are inherited in high security space. If a pilot is remote repairing, or otherwise assisting, another pilot who commits a criminal act then the repair module will now disengage. In order to continue repairs the module will need to be restarted and a message will appear warning of the criminal flag and possible consequences.
http://www.eveonline.com/news.asp?a=single&nid=4787&tid=1
As they give nowhere to comment on this alteration, please do so below
edit - my bad, didnt notice the rather long thread on this already https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=32070&find=unread |
Soma Khan
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.11.10 15:52:00 -
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how is this new? |
Josefius
Caldari Elite Force Independence..
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Posted - 2011.11.10 15:54:00 -
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Posting in a RR in highsec whine thread. |
Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
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Posted - 2011.11.10 15:55:00 -
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They are closing a loop-hole, not a nerf unless you are one of the let PvP'ers who can only fight by with 100% win chance or desire free loot with no effort.
Don't you think that the fact they added a warning on module activation kind of gave the intended mechanic away? |
Skippermonkey
Tactical Knightmare
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Posted - 2011.11.10 15:57:00 -
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if they are all about 'closing & fixing loopholes', explain why they recently repealled their previous stance on war dec shields.
hisec is becoming increasingly more fuzzy and warm at the edges |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.11.10 15:57:00 -
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Soma Khan wrote:how is this new? ^^ That. What is the GÇ£small changeGÇ¥ in that? GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |
proxwar
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2011.11.10 15:58:00 -
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awesome news!
But its not a nerf.
Break out the swimming gear folks cos its going to be a flood of biblical proportions from all the high sec griefers out there, especially the incursion griefers.
I shouldnt laugh, but, to hell with it. LOL |
Soma Khan
State War Academy Caldari State
9
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Posted - 2011.11.10 15:58:00 -
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Hirana Yoshida wrote:They are closing a loop-hole, not a nerf unless you are one of the let PvP'ers who can only fight by with 100% win chance or desire free loot with no effort.
Don't you think that the fact they added a warning on module activation kind of gave the intended mechanic away? i hope you're right, though they are talking about criminal flagging, not aggression. so the neutral rr faggotry will continue |
Skippermonkey
Tactical Knightmare
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Posted - 2011.11.10 15:58:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Soma Khan wrote:how is this new? ^^ That. What is the GÇ£small changeGÇ¥ in that?
meh, if it warranted a news article from CCP, i thought it coudl warrant some comment
the small change is this isnt it?
Quote:In order to continue repairs the module will need to be restarted and a message will appear warning of the criminal flag and possible consequences.
yet another, its scary out there, maybe you shouldnt put yourself in harms way, pop-up message. |
Hwong Jian
SniggWaffe
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Posted - 2011.11.10 16:02:00 -
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IBTL.
Also, congratulations on your astute observation and your speed in becoming the fourth person today to create a thread about this.
Allow me to respond. Please grab a d6 (one six-sided die) and roll for my response:
1: Gosh, this will certainly ruin EVE forever! 2: Every other instance in EVE that gives a player aggression will notify the player first. This is a long overdue implementation. (Notice 'implementation' and not 'nerf' or 'change'?) 3: Thinly veiled griefer tears are still satisfying. 4: If this bothers you, perhaps the reason is because you lack the requisite courage and skill to survive outside of high security space. 5: This is an abused mechanic by high sec griefers and is probably the precursor to logistics ships gaining aggression. Long overdue. 6: HTFU!
CCP Phantom locking in 3... 2... 1... |
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Skippermonkey
Tactical Knightmare
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Posted - 2011.11.10 16:05:00 -
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i rolled a 4
i love it when people say that, its hillarious, because pvp in nulsec is large faceless blob, and pvp in losec is slightly smaller blob
i like hisec pvp |
Jack All'Trade
Republic University Minmatar Republic
9
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Posted - 2011.11.10 16:07:00 -
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Skippermonkey wrote:yet another, its scary out there, maybe you shouldnt put yourself in harms way, pop-up message. yet another waah waah im lazy and low sec too scary for me so why high sec be so hard for me ccp? whine thread |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.11.10 16:09:00 -
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Skippermonkey wrote:the small change is this isnt it? Quote:In order to continue repairs the module will need to be restarted and a message will appear warning of the criminal flag and possible consequences. Afaik, it already warns you if you try to remote-assist a criminally flagged targetGǪ GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |
Skippermonkey
Tactical Knightmare
166
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Posted - 2011.11.10 16:09:00 -
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Jack All'Trade wrote:Skippermonkey wrote:yet another, its scary out there, maybe you shouldnt put yourself in harms way, pop-up message. yet another waah waah im lazy and low sec too scary for me so why high sec be so hard for me ccp? whine thread Once again, this response it golden, im not going to cast aspersions to the way you play the game, but its lulzy to tell somebody to leave hisec if they want to shoot people. |
Skippermonkey
Tactical Knightmare
166
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Posted - 2011.11.10 16:10:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Skippermonkey wrote:the small change is this isnt it? Quote:In order to continue repairs the module will need to be restarted and a message will appear warning of the criminal flag and possible consequences. Afaik, it already warns you if you try to remote-assist a criminally flagged targetGǪ
ok, well i havent had the chance to log in and see the differences or not, but i would have thought that if they needed to post the change as a news story, there would be SOMETHING that has changed. |
Jack All'Trade
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2011.11.10 16:12:00 -
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Skippermonkey wrote:Jack All'Trade wrote:Skippermonkey wrote:yet another, its scary out there, maybe you shouldnt put yourself in harms way, pop-up message. yet another waah waah im lazy and low sec too scary for me so why high sec be so hard for me ccp? whine thread Once again, this response it golden, im not going to cast aspersions to the way you play the game, but its lulzy to tell somebody to leave hisec if they want to shoot people. i think its lulzy to get all teary and whiny because you no longer can coward and hide when your RR alt makes a booboo. |
Skippermonkey
Tactical Knightmare
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Posted - 2011.11.10 16:14:00 -
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Jack All'Trade wrote:Skippermonkey wrote:Jack All'Trade wrote:Skippermonkey wrote:yet another, its scary out there, maybe you shouldnt put yourself in harms way, pop-up message. yet another waah waah im lazy and low sec too scary for me so why high sec be so hard for me ccp? whine thread Once again, this response it golden, im not going to cast aspersions to the way you play the game, but its lulzy to tell somebody to leave hisec if they want to shoot people. i think its lulzy to get all teary and whiny because you no longer can coward and hide when your RR alt makes a booboo. i love it that you have no idea what you are talking about and think this is a whine thread.
fele free to hand over hisec to the wonderfully fluffy land of marshmallows and friendship if you like, but that isnt what EVE is about.
also like the fact that you hide behind a brand new forum alt because you like to talk rubbish |
Dorian Wylde
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.11.10 16:15:00 -
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Yeah, the top story on the front page of the site is totally "on the sly" |
Jack All'Trade
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2011.11.10 16:19:00 -
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Skippermonkey wrote:i love it that you have no idea what you are talking about and think this is a whine thread.
fele free to hand over hisec to the wonderfully fluffy land of marshmallows and friendship if you like, but that isnt what EVE is about. if it isnt a whine thread then why you whining son? |
Hwong Jian
SniggWaffe
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Posted - 2011.11.10 16:19:00 -
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Skippermonkey wrote:i rolled a 4 i love it when people say that, its hillarious, because pvp in nulsec is large faceless blob, and pvp in losec is slightly smaller blob i like hisec pvp
(Time to attempt to use logic on the internet. Prepare for Rule #11.)
Why do you love it when someone says "if this bothers you"?
I could mention the times I've seen "hisec pvpers" chase someone 10 or more jumps, but immediately stop when their "prey" jumps into low sec.
I could mention the times I've gone 30 jumps through 0.0 and could count the total number of people I saw on one hand. (Even using binary, that still would be no more than 31.)
I could mention that the best solo fights I've ever had were in low sec, and that a fleet of 12 ships is considered a "large blob".
But I didn't.
I simply said "if this change bothers you" and then implied that there was a high probability that the type of person who would find that change upsetting were the skill-less griefers, gankbears, or people that refuse to get into a fight unless they're guaranteed a risk-free kill.
So, allow me to slip into a bit of "internet slang."
u mad, bro? |
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Skippermonkey
Tactical Knightmare
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Posted - 2011.11.10 16:21:00 -
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Jack All'Trade wrote:Skippermonkey wrote:i love it that you have no idea what you are talking about and think this is a whine thread.
fele free to hand over hisec to the wonderfully fluffy land of marshmallows and friendship if you like, but that isnt what EVE is about. if it isnt a whine thread then why you whining son? im just enjoying arguing with you right now. this could be about anything. |
Skippermonkey
Tactical Knightmare
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Posted - 2011.11.10 16:23:00 -
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Hwong Jian wrote:So, allow me to slip into a bit of "internet slang."
u mad, bro? naw, i love it when i get to go into losec, our majestic opium addled leader takes us on roams, and we are generally only allowed to go home if you have killed a fleet or been killed ourselves. |
Jack All'Trade
Republic University Minmatar Republic
9
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Posted - 2011.11.10 16:26:00 -
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Skippermonkey wrote:im just enjoying arguing with you right now. this could be about anything. i see u stopped crying. good. sit down. lets talk. |
Skippermonkey
Tactical Knightmare
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Posted - 2011.11.10 16:29:00 -
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Jack All'Trade wrote:Skippermonkey wrote:im just enjoying arguing with you right now. this could be about anything. i see u stopped crying. good. sit down. lets talk. cool, um.
i like long walks at sunset, and milkshakes.
but anwyay, on reasing the 'other' thread on the same subject, i'll be happy with this change if it means neutral RR have docking timers and have to deal with PVP consequences like all other ships.
Not actually being an incursion ganker myself, that part of the change while slightly annoying, i can live with if logis on station have to worry about their own hulls a bit. |
Buzzmong
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.11.10 16:29:00 -
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While I'm surprised there was no official thread, this isn't new.
I thought this was already live and had been for a while. It was certainly talked about as a certainty many months ago (6+ I think). |
Tedril Goveko
Celestial Horizon Corp. Flatline.
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Posted - 2011.11.10 16:34:00 -
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Skippermonkey wrote:if they are all about 'closing & fixing loopholes', explain why they recently repealled their previous stance on war dec shields.
hisec is becoming increasingly more fuzzy and warm at the edges
Quite simple to explain. With the War Dec Shield scenario to fix it they would have to rewrite a good chunk of the war dec mechanics, it would take ages, to leave it as it is and police it eats up too many resources so they decidced to stop policing it.
However, in the RR scenario it's a small change to the code which is easily implemented.
That's the difference.
If they could easily change themechanics of war decs to avoid dec shields then they would do so in a heart beat, they can't so they don't. |
Hwong Jian
SniggWaffe
4
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Posted - 2011.11.10 16:39:00 -
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Ok, Skippy. I have one very simple question, and it is about the topic of this thread.
Why do you consider remote reps giving the pilot a warning that they will gain an aggression flag to be a nerf?
The topic for your post is "CCP Nerfed hisec RR aggression on the sly".
How is this pop-up notification a nerf to aggression? |
Skippermonkey
Tactical Knightmare
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Posted - 2011.11.10 16:39:00 -
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yeah, because somethings hard, its not worth doing?
Im sure the only reason they made the recent change to war decs is that they released a whole bunch of staff that were dealing with petitions.
So they found a way of stopping the petitions rolling in instead of fixing the problem
oh well.
they better fix it before SOON |
Skippermonkey
Tactical Knightmare
166
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Posted - 2011.11.10 16:42:00 -
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Hwong Jian wrote:Ok, Skippy. I have one very simple question, and it is about the topic of this thread.
Why do you consider remote reps giving the pilot a warning that they will gain an aggression flag to be a nerf?
The topic for your post is "CCP Nerfed hisec RR aggression on the sly".
How is this pop-up notification a nerf to aggression?
first and foremost, the thread title was designed to attract attention
and secondly, CCP always prides themselves on the ingenuity and intelligence of their players in finding 'alternative gameplay styles' (there was even a table on this at fanfest) it seems strange that they have done many things in the past six months to hurt this style of play.
not a whine, an observation. |
Drifterin Thedark
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Posted - 2011.11.10 16:44:00 -
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God forbid 'hardcore PvP' players in hisec have to deal with consequences.
This isn't nerfing the game, it's making it harsher. Deal with it, or go back to making Runescape PK videos on youtube set to Nickelback. |
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