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Val'Dore
PlanetCorp InterStellar E.A.R.T.H. Federation
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Posted - 2014.03.27 00:32:00 -
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Bad Messenger wrote:Val'Dore wrote:Princess Nexxala wrote:One question to the link haters, say I have HG snakes in my head...and get more speed out of that, is that game breaking as well? Or is that okay because it cost me 3b isk? Or because there is more risk involved? Just curious what everyone thinks. Snakes were nerfed not terribly long ago as they provided over twice the boost they do now. What that tells the class is that CCP recognized the difference between advantaged and overpowered in regards to implant sets (the price of which should never justify effectiveness). And to reap the rewards of using those implants, you have to put them in harms way. Not so with links, there is no downside to using them until killboards can downscore you for using them, which is unlikely to happen. Your comparison is garbage. So all you think about eve is killboards :( makes me bit sad, anyway there is lot of different thingies that can help you to get kills and those does not show up on mail at all, example remote repping and remote sensor/tracking boosting.
I actually hate killboards, I've said more than once that killmails only serve to kill off 'gudfights'.
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IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome Caldari State Capturing
1045
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Posted - 2014.03.27 01:16:00 -
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Val'Dore wrote: I actually hate killboards, I've said more than once that killmails only serve to kill off 'gudfights'.
I have heard people say this and seen it posted on the forums numerous times.
But not once has anyone but forward a valid reason as to why/how killboards effect fights.
Docked since 2009. |
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order Repeat 0ffenders
850
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Posted - 2014.03.27 01:18:00 -
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IbanezLaney wrote:Val'Dore wrote: I actually hate killboards, I've said more than once that killmails only serve to kill off 'gudfights'.
I have heard people say this and seen it posted on the forums numerous times. But not once has anyone but forward a valid reason as to why/how killboards effect fights.
Also, only posted by people with terrible killboards. Not that killboards matter to people who have good killboards. |
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order Repeat 0ffenders
850
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Posted - 2014.03.27 01:24:00 -
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Santo Trafficante wrote: '' will be avoided in future''
Its true, ill just warp to a safe or get pointed on field :p
Either way im happy :) |
chatgris
Quantum Cats Syndicate Repeat 0ffenders
703
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Posted - 2014.03.27 05:24:00 -
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IbanezLaney wrote:Val'Dore wrote: I actually hate killboards, I've said more than once that killmails only serve to kill off 'gudfights'.
I have heard people say this and seen it posted on the forums numerous times. But not once has anyone but forward a valid reason as to why/how killboards effect fights.
Killboards cause me to hide from my corpmates so I get more BC points.
So they affect fights by reducing blobbing. Not that I consider this a bad thing. |
Taoist Dragon
Sh1t Happens. And then you die.
931
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Posted - 2014.03.27 06:03:00 -
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Killboards are a simple way to measure one's effectiveness in combat.
I'm not saying that they are the 'best' measurement but they give some players a tool to measure their performance.
For me personally I don't care about my overall killboard 'score' as such but I do keep tabs on my solo kill record on my personal KB. That is the Way, the Tao.
Balance is everything.
http://taoistdragon.blogspot.com.au/ |
Princess Nexxala
Quantum Cats Syndicate Repeat 0ffenders
664
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Posted - 2014.03.27 19:10:00 -
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This wasn't a comparison , simply wanting to know what link haters thought about snakes doesn't make my statement "garbage". But hey, douches gonna douche...
Oh and the snake nerf was ages ago you twit.
Val'Dore wrote:Princess Nexxala wrote:One question to the link haters, say I have HG snakes in my head...and get more speed out of that, is that game breaking as well? Or is that okay because it cost me 3b isk? Or because there is more risk involved? Just curious what everyone thinks. Snakes were nerfed not terribly long ago as they provided over twice the boost they do now. What that tells the class is that CCP recognized the difference between advantaged and overpowered in regards to implant sets (the price of which should never justify effectiveness). And to reap the rewards of using those implants, you have to put them in harms way. Not so with links, there is no downside to using them until killboards can downscore you for using them, which is unlikely to happen. Your comparison is garbage.
I'm CEO *****.
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Princess Nexxala
Quantum Cats Syndicate Repeat 0ffenders
664
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Posted - 2014.03.27 19:12:00 -
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What?! You actually logged on and played Eve? LIES!
chatgris wrote:IbanezLaney wrote:Val'Dore wrote: I actually hate killboards, I've said more than once that killmails only serve to kill off 'gudfights'.
I have heard people say this and seen it posted on the forums numerous times. But not once has anyone but forward a valid reason as to why/how killboards effect fights. Killboards cause me to hide from my corpmates so I get more BC points. So they affect fights by reducing blobbing. Not that I consider this a bad thing.
I'm CEO *****.
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Baron' Soontir Fel
Justified Chaos
143
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Posted - 2014.03.28 04:16:00 -
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The only thing I don't like about killboards is the ability to see the fits that your enemy is using |
Aivo Dresden
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
311
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Posted - 2014.03.28 09:51:00 -
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Not quite sure why people say 'T3s need to be rebalanced if they are required to boost on grid'. You can already tank them up quite effectively. If you want to do better, get a command ship. T3s shouldn't outperform CS really. |
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Crosi Wesdo
War and Order Repeat 0ffenders
851
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Posted - 2014.03.28 11:13:00 -
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Aivo Dresden wrote:Not quite sure why people say 'T3s need to be rebalanced if they are required to boost on grid'. You can already tank them up quite effectively. If you want to do better, get a command ship. T3s shouldn't outperform CS really.
lol ok, please link a tengu or prot fit that has a respectable tank, mobility and at least some dps as well as 3 links. |
Bad Messenger
Nasranite Watch
715
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Posted - 2014.03.28 11:30:00 -
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Aivo Dresden wrote:Not quite sure why people say 'T3s need to be rebalanced if they are required to boost on grid'. You can already tank them up quite effectively. If you want to do better, get a command ship. T3s shouldn't outperform CS really.
warfare sub on t3 ships is defensive subsystem so try to tank those properly without that. |
Zarnak Wulf
In Exile. Imperial Outlaws.
1609
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Posted - 2014.03.28 11:32:00 -
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Crosi Wesdo wrote:Aivo Dresden wrote:Not quite sure why people say 'T3s need to be rebalanced if they are required to boost on grid'. You can already tank them up quite effectively. If you want to do better, get a command ship. T3s shouldn't outperform CS really. lol ok, please link a tengu or prot fit that has a respectable tank, mobility and at least some dps as well as 3 links.
What was the original design intent? 'This ship can only have a tank and one link so we'll give it a huge bonus to that one link!' How do Eve players actually use it? Another case of the rubber hitting the road in a fashion that CCP didn't anticipate. |
Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
186
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Posted - 2014.03.28 12:01:00 -
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Crosi Wesdo wrote:Aivo Dresden wrote:Not quite sure why people say 'T3s need to be rebalanced if they are required to boost on grid'. You can already tank them up quite effectively. If you want to do better, get a command ship. T3s shouldn't outperform CS really. lol ok, please link a tengu or prot fit that has a respectable tank, mobility and at least some dps as well as 3 links.
LOL, please explain to me why a ship should be really good at 4 things (links, tank, mobility and damage). If you get that I want a megathron with 12 high slots, 8 mid slots, and 16 low slots - that way one of my ships could also be good at everything (I'll take bandwith and 2 extra drones/level of gallente BS too) |
Bad Messenger
Nasranite Watch
715
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Posted - 2014.03.28 13:12:00 -
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Serendipity Lost wrote:Crosi Wesdo wrote:Aivo Dresden wrote:Not quite sure why people say 'T3s need to be rebalanced if they are required to boost on grid'. You can already tank them up quite effectively. If you want to do better, get a command ship. T3s shouldn't outperform CS really. lol ok, please link a tengu or prot fit that has a respectable tank, mobility and at least some dps as well as 3 links. LOL, please explain to me why a ship should be really good at 4 things (links, tank, mobility and damage). If you get that I want a megathron with 12 high slots, 8 mid slots, and 16 low slots - that way one of my ships could also be good at everything (I'll take bandwith and 2 extra drones/level of gallente BS too)
Because command ships does that already |
Starbuck05
Evil Monkey Asylum Evil Monkeys Asylum
166
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Posted - 2014.03.28 13:32:00 -
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Links are good..
Its the people that use them in 1vs1 situations then brag how leet they are... Is bad.
Ccp nerf leet pvp'ers !! -á- I am the commanding officer , u should adress me as sir ! -á- But if i call u sir , what would i call your wife then ?? |
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order Repeat 0ffenders
851
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Posted - 2014.03.28 13:41:00 -
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Zarnak Wulf wrote:Crosi Wesdo wrote:Aivo Dresden wrote:Not quite sure why people say 'T3s need to be rebalanced if they are required to boost on grid'. You can already tank them up quite effectively. If you want to do better, get a command ship. T3s shouldn't outperform CS really. lol ok, please link a tengu or prot fit that has a respectable tank, mobility and at least some dps as well as 3 links. What was the original design intent? 'This ship can only have a tank and one link so we'll give it a huge bonus to that one link!' How do Eve players actually use it? Another case of the rubber hitting the road in a fashion that CCP didn't anticipate.
I think looking at associated mechanics such as tripple complementary links per class, command processors, the way that bonuses are passed down a hierarchy, not to mention that they used to only bonus a single class of link now they all bonus 3 classes, should outright debunk your take on the original premise of single link t3 command.
Unless you really think CCP expected to have one link in FC, one link in WC and one link in each squad leader position.
Ive seen some bad posts but this one shows how desperate anti boost advocates are to put a spin on this debate. |
Zarnak Wulf
In Exile. Imperial Outlaws.
1609
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Posted - 2014.03.28 14:40:00 -
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T3 used to boost 5% to CS 3% per lvl. I don't think CCP believing that T3 would field less links then a CS and thus needing a stronger bonus to compensate is a real big ******* stretch. Recent ad hoc changes may reflect reality but not original design intent. The fact that CCP ignores ship balancing from 2009 to 2011 is just icing on the cake. |
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order Repeat 0ffenders
851
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Posted - 2014.03.28 16:29:00 -
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Zarnak Wulf wrote:T3 used to boost 5% to CS 3% per lvl. I don't think CCP believing that T3 would field less links then a CS and thus needing a stronger bonus to compensate is a real big ******* stretch. Recent ad hoc changes may reflect reality but not original design intent. The fact that CCP ignores ship balancing from 2009 to 2011 is just icing on the cake.
Its a stretch. Quite a big one. |
Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
190
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Posted - 2014.03.28 17:05:00 -
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Let's just put them on grid and then everyone will be happy. |
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Crosi Wesdo
War and Order Repeat 0ffenders
851
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Posted - 2014.03.28 17:31:00 -
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Serendipity Lost wrote:Let's just put them on grid and then everyone will be happy.
Because reading other peoples posts is too hard. |
Bad Messenger
Nasranite Watch
715
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Posted - 2014.03.29 00:09:00 -
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Serendipity Lost wrote:Let's just put them on grid and then everyone will be happy.
on grid is bit complicated, if you think about interceptor who tackle enemies some where in the system they would never benefit about links.
People who wants links to on grid only think too small. |
Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
190
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Posted - 2014.03.29 00:32:00 -
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Off grid boosting is risk averse pvp. You can dress it up, put nice shoes on it, give it all kinds of reasons that it's ok, but it isn't.
Everyone knows it - it's just that some folks are afraid to lose their low low low risk advantage. It's like the empire neutral logi crap that took years to fix. This may take years also, but the inevitable will eventually come to pass.
Personally I don't see how you guys can stomache doing it little lone come on the forums and defend it. The place for a command ship is in the fight. Just man up and put you assets in the fight. They do super damage btw, playing cowardly lion with them is just a waste of DPS.
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Crosi Wesdo
War and Order Repeat 0ffenders
851
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Posted - 2014.03.29 04:47:00 -
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Serendipity Lost wrote:Off grid boosting is risk averse pvp. You can dress it up, put nice shoes on it, give it all kinds of reasons that it's ok, but it isn't.
Everyone knows it - it's just that some folks are afraid to lose their low low low risk advantage. It's like the empire neutral logi crap that took years to fix. This may take years also, but the inevitable will eventually come to pass.
Personally I don't see how you guys can stomache doing it little lone come on the forums and defend it. The place for a command ship is in the fight. Just man up and put you assets in the fight. They do super damage btw, playing cowardly lion with them is just a waste of DPS.
Im sorry, but its obvious you have no idea what you are talking about. No offense.
Ill let you get back to gate camping quiet null sec pipes. |
Bad Messenger
Nasranite Watch
716
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Posted - 2014.03.29 09:37:00 -
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Serendipity Lost wrote:Off grid boosting is risk averse pvp. You can dress it up, put nice shoes on it, give it all kinds of reasons that it's ok, but it isn't.
Everyone knows it - it's just that some folks are afraid to lose their low low low risk advantage. It's like the empire neutral logi crap that took years to fix. This may take years also, but the inevitable will eventually come to pass.
Personally I don't see how you guys can stomache doing it little lone come on the forums and defend it. The place for a command ship is in the fight. Just man up and put you assets in the fight. They do super damage btw, playing cowardly lion with them is just a waste of DPS.
as i said people who want on grid links think too small, most of fights are over before your command ships arrives to grid.
Maybe you should try something else than just blob everything with command ships and logistics and T3 ships. |
Greggles Midboss
The Church of Awesome Caldari State Capturing
38
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Posted - 2014.03.29 12:33:00 -
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Why is this thread still going.... |
Zarnak Wulf
In Exile. Imperial Outlaws.
1609
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Posted - 2014.03.29 13:20:00 -
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Greggles Midboss wrote:Why is this thread still going....
11 pages is not statistically significant. |
Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
191
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Posted - 2014.03.29 13:47:00 -
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Just for the record for you judgemental ninnies that think you have me pegged. I don't live in null. I've never lived in null. A large gang for me is 12. Please don't correlate that I like commanc ships on grid to 'because I fly in massive null blobby fleets' - If you look at my kb you'll plainly see you're just making youselves look ninny-ish.
You guys are so risk averse that you can't even fathom there are pilots in this game that are all about putting their stuff on the line. Sweet mother of pearl - it's just a ship. Get it on grid and blow some stuff up.
I do think big. I think about the game long term. I think about the health of pvp overall. I'm no expert - I'm just a player that's been around small gang pvp for years. I've been on various comms with hundreds of guys over the years. I'll say this about that. There are a lot of folks that are risk averse out there. Off grid boosting is just another manifestation of that.
On a side note - snakes were nerfed because crows were going over 10k m/s. It was dumb and they fixed it.
Anyway, if you can afford a boosting account - you can afford to put the booster on grid. Stop being a bunch of Marys |
Bad Messenger
Nasranite Watch
716
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Posted - 2014.03.29 13:59:00 -
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Serendipity Lost wrote:Just for the record for you judgemental ninnies that think you have me pegged. I don't live in null. I've never lived in null. A large gang for me is 12. Please don't correlate that I like commanc ships on grid to 'because I fly in massive null blobby fleets' - If you look at my kb you'll plainly see you're just making youselves look ninny-ish.
You guys are so risk averse that you can't even fathom there are pilots in this game that are all about putting their stuff on the line. Sweet mother of pearl - it's just a ship. Get it on grid and blow some stuff up.
I do think big. I think about the game long term. I think about the health of pvp overall. I'm no expert - I'm just a player that's been around small gang pvp for years. I've been on various comms with hundreds of guys over the years. I'll say this about that. There are a lot of folks that are risk averse out there. Off grid boosting is just another manifestation of that.
On a side note - snakes were nerfed because crows were going over 10k m/s. It was dumb and they fixed it.
Anyway, if you can afford a boosting account - you can afford to put the booster on grid. Stop being a bunch of Marys
links has been there as long as i have played EVE and those have not stopped pvp on long term so you are thinking small once again.
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Crosi Wesdo
War and Order Repeat 0ffenders
851
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Posted - 2014.03.29 14:45:00 -
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Serendipity Lost wrote:Just for the record for you judgemental ninnies that think you have me pegged. I don't live in null. I've never lived in null. A large gang for me is 12. Please don't correlate that I like commanc ships on grid to 'because I fly in massive null blobby fleets' - If you look at my kb you'll plainly see you're just making youselves look ninny-ish.
You guys are so risk averse that you can't even fathom there are pilots in this game that are all about putting their stuff on the line. Sweet mother of pearl - it's just a ship. Get it on grid and blow some stuff up.
I do think big. I think about the game long term. I think about the health of pvp overall. I'm no expert - I'm just a player that's been around small gang pvp for years. I've been on various comms with hundreds of guys over the years. I'll say this about that. There are a lot of folks that are risk averse out there. Off grid boosting is just another manifestation of that.
On a side note - snakes were nerfed because crows were going over 10k m/s. It was dumb and they fixed it.
Anyway, if you can afford a boosting account - you can afford to put the booster on grid. Stop being a bunch of Marys
My booster is on a grid, just not the grid i am fighting on. If you are so lazy that you cannot take the fight to my boosters grid thats not my fault. |
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