I would first like to see him make an effort himself to reach out. To many of you who were part of the latest group that led the campaign against SYJ bane might be a well known dude... But what is he to us lower class and small gangers.

To be fair, all I see of him is discussions and troll posting on the forum, which is perfectly fine, but thats something completely different then knowing who he is and what he stands for.

I dont want people feeding him stuff... I want him to present his owm vision instead of our submitted ideas.

well tbf bane does know wh space. and he used to live in a c2 for ages so i'm attually semi surprised you dont know him from there

Seeing Bane on the forums and knowing his corporation is something completely different then knowing what he stands for. I don't talk to the guy on comms and I don't do operations with him and there are a lot of people in WH space like that. Don't forget that WH space extends beyond the most heard about corporations.

I have been in WH's since they came out, day 1 in fact... but it hardly says anything about my idea's, future vision and my attitude. In fact, I know my idea's aren't very popular and I don't play well with others... But I have been around WH space for a long time. Get my point ?

My advice to Bane is, stop dicking around on the forums, you smack talk too much and thereby giving off a more negative vibe, the people who know you wont judge you on it because they know who you are, but people who don't know you are going to think you're a fraud. Second, write your own campaign and stop asking for what we want... I don't want you to feed me suggestions from others, I want you to convince me with your own. I want to know who you are, who you represent and where you want to take WH space in general.

With respect, and I don't mean any of my posts on this subject in a degrading or disrespectful way, but from where I am standing, you are representing a small elite core of people, let's call it the coalition on demand... and I want you (Bane) to become vocal for more then that.

Bain Fix POSes!!!

Seeing Bane on the forums and knowing his corporation is something completely different then knowing what he stands for. I don't talk to the guy on comms and I don't do operations with him and there are a lot of people in WH space like that. Don't forget that WH space extends beyond the most heard about corporations.

I have been in WH's since they came out, day 1 in fact... but it hardly says anything about my idea's, future vision and my attitude. In fact, I know my idea's aren't very popular and I don't play well with others... But I have been around WH space for a long time. Get my point ?

My advice to Bane is, stop dicking around on the forums, you smack talk too much and thereby giving off a more negative vibe, the people who know you wont judge you on it because they know who you are, but people who don't know you are going to think you're a fraud. Second, write your own campaign and stop asking for what we want... I don't want you to feed me suggestions from others, I want you to convince me with your own. I want to know who you are, who you represent and where you want to take WH space in general.

With respect, and I don't mean any of my posts on this subject in a degrading or disrespectful way, but from where I am standing, you are representing a small elite core of people, let's call it the coalition on demand... and I want you (Bane) to become vocal for more then that.

He is our only hope it seems, we have wasted years of votes on yes men.

First of all, let's cut the f*cking bull and tone your attitude towards me down a notch or two, this isn't the first thread where you have been acting like this. Take a chill pill, adjust any preconceptions you may have, re-read what I wrote, but rather calm and constructive, and then come back at me because I do not believe your aggressive tone is necessary or called for.

I demand nothing from Bane himself, I make suggestions to him on a forum and I share my point of view, which a forum should allow me to do and as long as I have the freedom to post in these topics, I will continue to do so, no matter what you think of me.

My character history, previous accounts and/or characters are not even remotely relevant here and my reputation should not be a limitation whether or not I can or can not share my opinion. I will share my opinion regardless... I don't care what you think and I won't silence or sensor myself just because you can't handle someone being outspoken.

Back to Bane, I will vote for him if he can present his vision and his own campaign and his opinions don't even have to match mine a 100%, I just want to know that he is strong and self assured and that he can fight for what he promises, if he has to rely on others to make threads and ask for submissions, then I fear for his campaign. Make me believe in what you're selling instead of having threads made by others... which for the most part didn't have any serious suggestions in them.

To be in context you seem to have popped up all over the WH threads with your moral ******* high pedestal judging us all

Eat a bag of d*cks

First of all, let's cut the f*cking bull and tone your attitude towards me down a notch or two, this isn't the first thread where you have been acting like this. Take a chill pill, adjust any preconceptions you may have, re-read what I wrote, but rather calm and constructive, and then come back at me because I do not believe your aggressive tone is necessary or called for.

I demand nothing from Bane himself, I make suggestions to him on a forum and I share my point of view, which a forum should allow me to do and as long as I have the freedom to post in these topics, I will continue to do so, no matter what you think of me.

My character history, previous accounts and/or characters are not even remotely relevant here and my reputation should not be a limitation whether or not I can or can not share my opinion. I will share my opinion regardless... I don't care what you think and I won't silence or sensor myself just because you can't handle someone being outspoken.

Back to Bane, I will vote for him if he can present his vision and his own campaign and his opinions don't even have to match mine a 100%, I just want to know that he is strong and self assured and that he can fight for what he promises, if he has to rely on others to make threads and ask for submissions, then I fear for his campaign. Make me believe in what you're selling instead of having threads made by others... which for the most part didn't have any serious suggestions in them.

Sorry its hard to take your suggestions seriously when you post on a alt. Its just how it works around here. I'm sure you have valid concerns.

But going around demanding things from people.

Is there a certain amount of time and limitation on how long you are part of the WH forums until you can post your opinions ? Because I seem to have missed that rule in the elitist WH community rule book.

You claim not to be the elitist blue balling coalition on demand, yet you require people to have a certain amount of reputation before they can voice their opinions, yet, you can't build up any reputation at all, cause as soon as someone speaks out against YOUR views, you smack them down.

So let ME BREAK IT DOWN for you... I have to suck your mainly parts for a certain amount of time to build up enough credits, to be able to speak my mind... Yeah buddy... Welcome to the new world, go back to their third world hole you call a country and make way for freedom of f*cking speech.

and blaming Bane for starting some coalition to burn SYJ (He is just a line member like me that goes where the action is)

LOL? If you are throwing a wild claim like that around, you better back it up with some quote of mine with the source linked cause I never even brought Bane into the SYJ thing... I think you might have misinterpreted something.

LOL? If you are throwing a wild claim like that around, you better back it up with some quote of mine with the source linked cause I never even brought Bane into the SYJ thing... I think you might have misinterpreted something.

I've been instructed to request that you eat a bag of d*cks.

See, and that is where you differ from me, I do not bow down to things like "that's how it works around here..." This is Eve Online, deal with it, you can't stop me from posting and I am not looking for your approval and I don't ask you to like me, so you can either stfu or continue a constructive conversation.




I demand nothing, I make a suggestion. I seriously do not know where you have learned to read but maybe read it again, I seem to have used plain English and I didn't beat around the bush, I used language even idiots could understand and yet you misinterpreted half of what I wrote... Good job.

My advice to Bane is, stop dicking around on the forums, you smack talk too much and thereby giving off a more negative vibe, the people who know you wont judge you on it because they know who you are, but people who don't know you are going to think you're a fraud. Second, write your own campaign and stop asking for what we want... I don't want you to feed me suggestions from others, I want you to convince me with your own. I want to know who you are, who you represent and where you want to take WH space in general.

so you can either stfu or continue a constructive conversation.

Sorry don't take orders from scrubs.

Something we can agree on



You really are low on IQ aren't you... Didn't I jusy try to explain to you that my experience, my character or my reputation has nothing to do with my freedom to write what I want, when I want it and where.

First of all, let's cut the f*cking bull and tone your attitude towards me down a notch or two, this isn't the first thread where you have been acting like this. Take a chill pill, adjust any preconceptions you may have, re-read what I wrote, but rather calm and constructive, and then come back at me because I do not believe your aggressive tone is necessary or called for.

I demand nothing from Bane himself, I make suggestions to him on a forum and I share my point of view, which a forum should allow me to do and as long as I have the freedom to post in these topics, I will continue to do so, no matter what you think of me.

My character history, previous accounts and/or characters are not even remotely relevant here and my reputation should not be a limitation whether or not I can or can not share my opinion. I will share my opinion regardless... I don't care what you think and I won't silence or sensor myself just because you can't handle someone being outspoken.

Back to Bane, I will vote for him if he can present his vision and his own campaign and his opinions don't even have to match mine a 100%, I just want to know that he is strong and self assured and that he can fight for what he promises, if he has to rely on others to make threads and ask for submissions, then I fear for his campaign. Make me believe in what you're selling instead of having threads made by others... which for the most part didn't have any serious suggestions in them.

I feel I need to be part of this thread.

HAI GUYS!!

My character history, previous accounts and/or characters are not even remotely relevant here and my reputation should not be a limitation whether or not I can or can not share my opinion. I will share my opinion regardless... I don't care what you think and I won't silence or sensor myself just because you can't handle someone being outspoken.

why should we care what you think

if you dont care, why bring it up?

Fekkin hell.

Now all we need is QT in here to really send this thread in to Trollerdrive.

Let me start off just telling a little bit about myself and my Eve career.

I started in high sec, mined for a few weeks, and then had someone show me the glory of wh space. At 3 million sp, I joined a small corp called the Kairos Syndicate. The sole recruitment question I was asked when I joined was "can you scan?". That should tell you about how noobish the corp was. They lived in a c2 with a c4/hs static. We grew, got better, and eventually co-founded Transmission Lost with another corp named SPLU. After a while of "keeping a low profile", we made a pretty good time for ourselves.

During my time with TL, I championed like all hell to get a c2 corp recognized as a legit pvp entity/wormhole presence. Many people can tell you the amount of times I would have to defend our low class wh corps reputation. The amount of times it was dismissed for simply being just a low class wh with scrubs in it is too much to count. When the ridiculous notion of limiting pos sizes to small and medium ones in c4s and under was brought up, NO ONE protested more than I did. To say I was a voice for lower class wormholes would be an understatement.

As far as trolling and "shiit posting" goes, I like to have a good time. This is a game after all and I enjoy BSing with the wormhole community. I won't apologize for this, nor will I stop unless specifically requested by my corp to tone it down. After all, corp first, Bane second. Such is the way of things.

In conclusion, I love long strolls down the chain, pew, a friendly chat, some shiit talking, and fun. Any questions?

Any questions?

Since you must rerail this thread,

1) What are your thoughts on increase in NPC corps in wormhole space?

2) As a CSM, can you push to create a mechanic that biomasses any NPC alt that posts on the forums?

Also, what are thoughts on bags of d*cks?

During my time with TL, I championed like all hell to get a c2 corp recognized as a legit pvp entity/wormhole presence.

When the ridiculous notion of limiting pos sizes to small and medium ones in c4s and under was brought up, NO ONE protested more than I did. To say I was a voice for lower class wormholes would be an understatement.

As far as trolling and "shiit posting" goes, I like to have a good time. This is a game after all and I enjoy BSing with the wormhole community. I won't apologize for this, nor will I stop

but, remember that when you're running for CSM...also something something love me dem bags o' dicks

1) More people in wormhole space is good.

2) I support this 100%

a) bag of dicks is a required pvp tool.

lol! I don't drink coffee at all.

This was the only line I felt needed to be quoted since you're still not getting it. I am not looking for your approval or some sort of recognition from you or your community. I speak for myself and when I post, I am not looking to get likes or ask for people to agree with me so I don't care what you think and I'm not asking you to care what I think... Still wont stop me from speaking my mind.

Red, if you're not going to post with your main, no one here is going to take you seriously.
Hell, they might not anyway even if you do but the definitely won't when posting under some random NPC alt.

This is basically spot on. I think the wh community in general just seems to ignore alts posting.

now i wasnt going to bother posting but seems like this thread really hit its stride overnight. Anyway i had a few minutes spare today hauling stuff 56 jumps in a orca does that so. I thought i'd checkout just who you are

you basically started posting 6 weeks ago mainly in wh thread some about your videos in another section

I attually watched some of them btw and the only people in your fleet were also npc alts (as i said only checked a couple vids)

You started a podcast which had pell on and then wanted bane to be the counter arguement so to speak, to pell without checking any of the facts or even bothering to ask who was sorting the other side. Something that was incredibly easy to do if you had asked pretty much anyone attacking syj they could have pointed you in the right direction.

now as Proclus diadochu has already said being able to back up what you say with experience really does count for alot. while i havent been in wh space from day 1 i did move in to wh space soon after and was mining ark in a probe a week in to the game a quick look at my histroy or killboard will show that. literally anyone coudl say what you have said hell a mate who just started could say what you have said but without proof its very hard for people to take you seriously.

The fact you have no killboard histroy only seem to fly with other npc alts just doesnt back up your "i have been in wh space since day 1 i really know what i'm talking about".

What is so hard about attually posting with your main

All of us should start boycotting replying to NPC alts. its the most cowardly form of cowardice.

I attually watched some of them btw and the only people in your fleet were also npc alts (as i said only checked a couple vids)

You started a podcast which had pell on and then wanted bane to be the counter arguement so to speak, to pell without checking any of the facts or even bothering to ask who was sorting the other side. Something that was incredibly easy to do if you had asked pretty much anyone attacking syj they could have pointed you in the right direction.

As I am rather new to both Eve and Wormholes, I have never before lived in a POS. I have never set one up and I only have the bare minimum access that I need (anything other access is a waste).

Over the forums, both in the Wormhole subforum and General Discussion, I am constantly seeing POS's need an overhaul, UI is clunky, POS's are broken etc. After doing a little research, most of the details about POS's and what's what is pretty old stuff from 3-4 years ago.

I guess what I am asking is this: Can someone, whether you reply to this on here or via private mail is upto you, give me a full in depth explanation as to what is wrong with POS's and what could be done to improve the broken aspects of POS's?

stuff

Since you must rerail this thread,

1) What are your thoughts on increase in NPC corps in wormhole space?

damnit bubble you beat me to it. inb4 Tyrant Scorn is Banes trolling alt. Also the dicks thing, yea that...

Since you don't have (A) experience, (B) Character, or (C) Reputation, I suppose you are correct. You don't matter.

Also, you can take your Helix Boot licking alt over to the nearest store and buy yourself a large bag... o' d*cks.

This thread is pretty much just a buy order for Bags of DicksGäó



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Post with your main, nerd :P

(scrub or not, a vote is a vote).

We are a community of quality, not quantity.

Yes take a single sentence out of the whole post out of context and reply to it with an elitist, entitled comment, and ignore the main point of the post.

If you mean by quality, the odd weekly t3 fight where 2 guardians die and then you just jump the hole, then you can have all wh space to yourself, and by the way things are going you will.

No objectives, No goals, and No strategic initiative, just the odd grudge and weekly "fun" fights.

Enjoy your stay.

No objectives, No goals, and No strategic initiative, just the odd grudge and weekly "fun" fights.

Rant over, here are my questions for bane:

1- Do you think there is a lack of variation and stagnant meta in serious wh fights, and what are you going to do about it if you do?

2- Do you think there is a lack of in game conflict drivers in wh space, and if you do what are you going to do about it?

3- Do you think the risk / reward ratio of capital escalations is balanced?

Thank you in advance

If you want themepark, go play a themepark mmo. This is sandbox. Although you think this community is broken, some don't agree. You are entitled to your scrubby opinion. Just like I'm entitled to tell you the same thing I told the other NPC alt.

Eat a bag of dicks.

1) The meta in wormhole space is controlled by the players, and to a lesser extent wh mass. People choose to warp 6 dreads and 4 archons with T3s to their static, hoping you are dumb enough to jump through so they can pad their killboard stats. Hell, living in a Pulsar, we have been told by several groups that they wouldn't jump in to us because they don't have shield ships....Once the T3 "adjustments" are made, it will be interesting to see if anything changes.

As far as what I would do about it....nothing. I can't control what people fly. What I can do is propose suggestions made by the community on what adjustments we can make with game mechanics that would encourage a different meta.

2) Again, conflict is driven by the players. People like to blame CCP for making it stale, but they really just don't want to take responsibility for their shiitbaggery. That said, doing something like C4s having low class and high class statics and improving blackholes would certainly get people moving around more, which naturally forces us to run into each other more often.

3) Yes, it's fine. Why? Because BU can warp in on you and kill your retardedly expensive caps whenever they want

Yes, but there is no in game mechanic to drive that content. I mean let us say you go in to evict someone, currently what do you get? You get a boring tower bash and not even the killmails, if you are lucky you get some tears. What wh space is turning into sadly is glorified gankers that are very apt at scanning. In null if you win you take space, in wh if you win what do you get??

The reason of the recent change to the domis stated by CCP was because it was used 5 times as much as the next ship. Can you tell me what t3 usage percentage in serious fights? I will bet it is more than 90%. All the pvp battle reports between the serious pvp entities look the same, same ships and same fittings. If you make the ship the best you can't blame people for using it, there is something wrong with the game design and balance.

This is from personal experience, I have lived in a wh for 1 year+ and I have been consistently farming it with 4-5 guys. If we take the proper precautions it is nigh impossible to get randomly ganked. Close all holes, do not warp to the static, keep analyser open and log off a dictor in site. If a new signature pops (you don't even need to dscan) align dictor, siege red, bubble while aligning, and warp dictor to new signature and bubble up. Unless a 30 t3 man gang is rage rolling on the other side there is a small chance of being killed. The only threat is log off traps, and since it is a lower wh static it is extremely difficult and effortful to get in. Don't get me wrong if a dedicated wh group wants us out, they can easily kick or gank us, but what is the in game benefit for all their effort? It is not fair to them that they don't get rewarded for killing the farmers. If they kick us out we just go settle in of the other 1000's of empty holes.

There is something wrong when you all wh fights look exactly the same for four years.

Tbh T3s are versatile enough that every single one got a dozen acceptable and a few good combinations. And in a good fight, you need the sturdiest stuff you can find with the most EWAR you can squeeze onto those ships to break hostile reps/support.
It just so happens that a majority of the people can't fly CS, so they stick to strats. Both are performing pretty identical, with CS taken 200-300% of the damage by dreads. Well, happens.

In that regard: Yes, wormhole fights look veeery similiar. It's because everyone ligured out which ships to use to make the most out of limited number of pilots, and also the reason why damnations are so yesteryear - since they are a waste of a pilot compared to an eos.

Serious wormhole fights outside of a Pulsar are fought with biggest/best guns, most of the time. Doesn't mean smartbombing BS does not exist in red giants, or enyofleets does not exist around wolf-rayets. Just that Cruiser/BC-sized is the norm in wormholes for a reason, and T3s are the most expensive and useful ship. Stick two/three times the ships value in deadspace/faction mods on there and it really becomes stronk. Unlike CS, prereqs are laughable.

I feel like I should get an NPC alt just to post in this section...

Yes, but there is no in game mechanic to drive that content. I mean let us say you go in to evict someone, currently what do you get? You get a boring tower bash and not even the killmails, if you are lucky you get some tears. What wh space is turning into sadly is glorified gankers that are very apt at scanning. In null if you win you take space, in wh if you win what do you get??

The reason of the recent change to the domis stated by CCP was because it was used 5 times as much as the next ship. Can you tell me what t3 usage percentage in serious fights? I will bet it is more than 90%. All the pvp battle reports between the serious pvp entities look the same, same ships and same fittings. If you make the ship the best you can't blame people for using it, there is something wrong with the game design and balance.

This is from personal experience, I have lived in a wh for 1 year+ and I have been consistently farming it with 4-5 guys. If we take the proper precautions it is nigh impossible to get randomly ganked. Close all holes, do not warp to the static, keep analyser open and log off a dictor in site. If a new signature pops (you don't even need to dscan) align dictor, siege red, bubble while aligning, and warp dictor to new signature and bubble up. Unless a 30 t3 man gang is rage rolling on the other side there is a small chance of being killed. The only threat is log off traps, and since it is a lower wh static it is extremely difficult and effortful to get in. Don't get me wrong if a dedicated wh group wants us out, they can easily kick or gank us, but what is the in game benefit for all their effort? It is not fair to them that they don't get rewarded for killing the farmers. If they kick us out we just go settle in of the other 1000's of empty holes.

There is something wrong when you all wh fights look exactly the same for four years.

As far as safety while you bear it up, I would take the "new sig pops up automatically on your scan tab" off and force people to scan for new sigs again.

Posting from your main is definitely a plus, but posting on your alt is not forbidden

I'd like to know how you expect anyone to be able to represent you without actually knowing who you are.

Voting is usually anonymous and a voter never has to give up their identity or give a valid reason for asking questions.

In regards to get behind a person for CSM. We have seen a number of changes to the game that weren't directly intended for a specific area of the game, and yet, it effected everyone. The above mentioned example of signatures no longer unknown is a big change to wormholes, it effects everything from safety to having direct access to a fight without having to work for it and brining in some excitement to the whole process. The change made by CCP wasn't aimed to effect wormholes, but it did... So it shouldn't matter if I am a wormholer or a nullseccer or a highsec carebear, game mechanics stretch out further then one single area.

The suggestion that non wormholers shouldn't be interested in a wormhole candidate is just ********.

This is EVE. Practically nothing is forbidden, but that doesn't mean it's a good idea. In wormhole space, most everyone's here for the fights. Posting on an NPC alt smacks of "I'm afraid I might have to fight," hence the instant scorn and derision. It also suggests that you don't have any achievements worth noting, or that your main is already a laughingstock for whatever reason.

Then take into account the context of this particular thread. It's supposed to be a place for wormholers to share their concerns about the game to Bane...so tell me, how do we know you're actually a wormholer? How do we know you're not just some hisec bear? Or hell, a null seccer trying to get some resource put into wormholes to give their alliance more of a reason to get into wormholes? ("It needs conflict drivers guise!")

I'd like to know how you expect anyone to be able to represent you without actually knowing who you are.

If you really put a tiny bit of effort into it you will see this is not actually just another forum npc alt, it has corp histories and a killboard with some of the people I fly with.

...if you're not going to post with your main, no one here is going to take you seriously.

Tyrant Scorn is Red Garsk, known best for being a WH diver.

Or you could.. you know, post with your main.

- Make a public post on a public forum asking them for requests from the EVE public.

- Individual makes a legitimate request from any representative to share his views, because killboards doesn't show that.

- Blatantly insult and harass said individual for asking legitimate questions, then go on how he has no right to post because it's an alt, and he is right because he posts more.

- Bring his angry sisters and degrade the whole forum post

-???

- Profit?

Posting from your main is definitely a plus, but posting on your alt is not forbidden, and a view posted by an alt shouldn't be automatically stricken off, especially when it is about general subjects that don't require you to post with your main. Also this is EVE and especially in wh space sometimes anonymity is actually advisable. Having more kills on your killboard doesn't make you more right. Even then the guy actually did a podcast promoting a wh fight and eviction and got featured on evenews24 (I know they suck but it's something) and here you are being blatantly rude to him in your first post. He is adding content, and with that podcast he probably added more content for more people (by people listening to it) than all of t3 fights that year. You not agreeing with his views in the podcast doesn't make him ineligible to state his requests from someone running for office.

Rant over, here are my questions for bane:

1- Do you think there is a lack of variation and stagnant meta in serious wh fights, and what are you going to do about it if you do?

2- Do you think there is a lack of in game conflict drivers in wh space, and if you do what are you going to do about it?

3- Do you think the risk / reward ratio of capital escalations is balanced?

Thank you in advance

lol! I don't drink coffee at all.

I can't vote for someone who doesn't drink coffee.

Not sure if trolling...

Tyrant Scorn is Red Garsk,

Known best for being a WH diver.

So can we get back on topic, or is this just a fingerpointing thread?

Was this ever a serious thread?

Didn't look like it to me.

Plot twist..

<-- This character is an alt!

Was this ever a serious thread?

Didn't look like it to me.

Friss 'ne T++te Schw+ñnze, Du Spack!!

What's your thoughts on the current availability of fashion accessories available?

I personally would love beards and hats.

Also, why am I able to only wear men's clothing? This being a great sandbox of a game I should be able to wear whatever clothing I chose

Mustache entering thread

Eat **** Tyrant Scorn

Hi bane

This thread needed more mustache. You guys delivered.

Does chinstache count?

Or is it understache?

Confirming that 'stache is being delivered.

Do you promise to deliver a development proposal to CCP on the further expansion on 'stache and understache styles available?

I agree 100%. The bare necessities of life should be denied to no man

Indeed. They allow you to forget about your worries and your strife.