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Alexander Cachapero Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2014.02.15 08:53:00 - [1] - Quote I just started playing EVE a little over a week ago and have been training a bit to get into a nice big battleship and ORE ship....I think I will find both fun to fly and on that note I was looking at a Machariel as a battleship and the Retriever as a mining. I want the battleship to be able to fight other players well so I will be able to just go on my merry way if someone decides to attack me because im flying a fancy ship and on that note I would like the mining ship to be able to not die horribly if suicide ganked (its never leaving hi-sec) Reccomendations? I have about two weeks left to have "enough" skill to fly the mach in missions......
Boris The-Animal Lunar Max 0	Posted - 2014.02.15 09:03:00 - [2] - Quote The Machariel sounds like a great idea to me.
Schmata Bastanold Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo 1417	Posted - 2014.02.15 09:03:00 - [3] - Quote Good luck flying mach in pvp with 3 weeks old character. No, scratch that. Good luck doing anything with any battleship with 3 weeks old character. Sitting in a ship doesn't equal being able to fly it as it should be flown with proper fittings and usage of it's bonuses and role correctly. I am not my skills but... http://eveboard.com/pilot/Schmata_Bastanold
Alexander Cachapero Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2014.02.15 09:11:00 - [4] - Quote I know that, just wondering if its a good hull for what I have in mind. For now not gonna fly it other than to take it home and hover it outside the station for about 30 secs to admire it......o and on the note of fittings what should I be looking at for a mach? I have a 6 billion budget for the BS and 500 mill for the miner
Schmata Bastanold Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo 1417	Posted - 2014.02.15 09:24:00 - [5] - Quote During those 30 seconds bunch of catalysts will suicide you and have nice killmail to laugh at empty or completely failfitted mach. You wrote about using BS for pvp and now you just wanna undock it for a second and make nice screenshots in space? Well, Mach looks very nice on screenshots, that's true. Although for a price of hull alone you could fit 2 or even 3 proper pvp domis or typhoons and have some actual fun with them be that pve of pvp. But still, skills are what make those ships great in both areas. You don't have skills, you have embarrassing lossmail waiting to happen. And it will happen sooner that you think. I know that you won't agree and you are free to do whatever you want, but I would first learn how to fly small ships before even thinking about moving to BS class. Without skills even BC will be too high, especially that recent cruisers rebalance made many of them capable of pretty awesome stuff. Learn how to use them before spending all your money on a hull that you will be disappointed with or lose it only because your skills were not up to ship's real requirements. I am not my skills but... http://eveboard.com/pilot/Schmata_Bastanold
Alexander Cachapero Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2014.02.15 09:33:00 - [6] - Quote Schmata Bastanold wrote: During those 30 seconds bunch of catalysts will suicide you and have nice killmail to laugh at empty or completely failfitted mach. You wrote about using BS for pvp and now you just wanna undock it for a second and make nice screenshots in space? Well, Mach looks very nice on screenshots, that's true. Although for a price of hull alone you could fit 2 or even 3 proper pvp domis or typhoons and have some actual fun with them be that pve of pvp. But still, skills are what make those ships great in both areas. You don't have skills, you have embarrassing lossmail waiting to happen. And it will happen sooner that you think. I know that you won't agree and you are free to do whatever you want, but I would first learn how to fly small ships before even thinking about moving to BS class. Without skills even BC will be too high, especially that recent cruisers rebalance made many of them capable of pretty awesome stuff. Learn how to use them before spending all your money on a hull that you will be disappointed with or lose it only because your skills were not up to ship's real requirements. Im not gonna be flying it for at least 4 months......even then its not going to leave Hi-sec. Im also fully aware that I dont have anywhere near enough skill at 3 weeks and I totaly agree that its a horrible idea to fly anything you don't have skill for (hence why im still not even bothering to buy a destroyer) but regaurdless, im looking to get a higher end ship and start gathering gear for it now. PVP is the long term goal once ive learned to fly normal BS and have practiced for a while on my nice one (whatever that ends up being) I have no intentions of being the dumb noob who thinks that battleships are invincible and flys one right to its death via getting suicide ganked or other wise. Im just LOOKING at high-end ships so if the market swings low for the one I want I can buy it and not worry that I wont like it once I can use it.
Katie Khardoula Viziam Amarr Empire 4	Posted - 2014.02.15 09:43:00 - [7] - Quote Quote: Im not gonna be flying it for at least 4 months......even then its not going to leave Hi-sec. Im also fully aware that I dont have anywhere near enough skill at 3 weeks and I totaly agree that its a horrible idea to fly anything you don't have skill for (hence why im still not even bothering to buy a destroyer) but regaurdless, im looking to get a higher end ship and start gathering gear for it now. PVP is the long term goal once ive learned to fly normal BS and have practiced for a while on my nice one (whatever that ends up being) I have no intentions of being the dumb noob who thinks that battleships are invincible and flys one right to its death via getting suicide ganked or other wise. Im just LOOKING at high-end ships so if the market swings low for the one I want I can buy it and not worry that I wont like it once I can use it. So....what are you looking for, exactly? Seriously though. Dont do it. You're going to be waiting for AT LEAST a year before you can competently fly that mach in pvp. Even then, i'd advise against it. Seriously man, take our advice and the subtle suggestions to heart and do stuff with frigs first. You'll thank us later Every time I see the first poster replying to the OP by quoting his entire post, I want to punch a baby
Alexander Cachapero Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2014.02.15 09:45:00 - [8] - Quote So I shouldn't even bother buying it at this point then? How long will I have to train till it can be used {run and NOT die} for L3/4 missions?
Schmata Bastanold Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo 1417	Posted - 2014.02.15 10:01:00 - [9] - Quote Ok, I get what you are saying. Having that shiny ship in your hangar is nice even if you can't board it. I really get that because 2 years ago I was thinking along same lines. Fortunately for me I was always too poor to afford such ship so I didn't get one until I actually needed it. Thing is market will never swing so much down for you to grab Mach or any other shiny hull without sacrificing all of your ISK or at least huge part of it. I didn't check recent prices but I guess Mach is still around 800mil - 1bil? That is a LOT of ISK for a newbie and if you have that amount lying around it will be better spend on skills you need right now or implants or modules that will help you right now. As a long term goal Mach or its faction equivalents for other factions are ok and training towards them won't be a mistake becayse they demand you to have pretty high skills to fly properly. And most of those skills will be useful for any other ship you will fly, except weapon system because obviously large arty spec doesn't influence lazors or hybrids or missiles in any way. But all those in-game and out-of-game skills you need to fly them properly are built upon your experience and training for smaller hulls and their fittings. I also always wanted to fly mach so what I did was checking what skills I would need to it and which lower class hulls shared those skills at their respective levels. For example mach is all about speed and falloff, you don't like to move you should fly sentry sniping domi. So what lower class hulls also depend on speed? What are their bonuses, how they are fitted, etc. I am not my skills but... http://eveboard.com/pilot/Schmata_Bastanold
Gregor Parud 235	Posted - 2014.02.15 10:04:00 - [10] - Quote Pirate ships are about to rebalanced and the Mach will be "nerfed" (or rather made less silly), so by the time you might have a use for it, if at all, it may be terrible or completely changed its strategy. Apart from that, don't make expensive/really cool hulls your goal, especially not in PVP. Funky ships like that don't give new/inexperienced pilots wins, they just give them cringe worthy losses.
Alexander Cachapero Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2014.02.15 10:11:00 - [11] - Quote Thanks, those are answers that are very helpful. So according to what you guys are saying I should A. Wait till after the nerf to see if I still want the Mach and B. practice tactics in things I don't care blow up? O and what skills should I have reguardless of what I'm flying (like i have no clue what its going to be) if I'm going to be flying BS sized things eventually?
Schmata Bastanold Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo 1417	Posted - 2014.02.15 10:43:00 - [12] - Quote Using potential nerfs or buffs for planing your skills is stupid. Nobody knows what devs will do to any of ships waiting for balancing although it is common to expect them being rather nerfed than rest being buffed to match those considered overpowered. But right now it is jelly crowd hopes and dreams based on what main rebalance dev wrote like a 2 years ago and some long forgotten thread about tiercide plans. Beside, when I was starting rifter was considered to be a god of t1 frig pvp. Tiercide buffed all other frigs and left rifter bascially unchanged. So now it is considered as complete fail to fly. But I have max skills for frigs from times when rifter was god and now I can fly slashers with max efficiency simply because all max skills from rifter are basically same as those for slasher. And that is true no matter what ship class you look at. When you are starting you cannot go wrong with fitting skills and core skills like gunnery, navigation, mechanics, etc. They will apply to anything you fly from t1 frigs to capitals. And they mostly are x1 or x2 skills so taking them to V is quick. There is plenty of info about such newbie plans around this very forum, just search for it. I am not my skills but... http://eveboard.com/pilot/Schmata_Bastanold
Elena Thiesant Sun Micro Systems 1262	Posted - 2014.02.15 11:05:00 - [13] - Quote Alexander Cachapero wrote: I want the battleship to be able to fight other players well so I will be able to just go on my merry way if someone decides to attack me because im flying a fancy ship If someone decides to attack you, they will likely know in advance that they have a good chance of killing you. Otherwise they wouldn't attack. Flying a fancy ship just means a larger loss. If you want to PVP, fly frigates, they're a little cheaper to replace.
Hrett Justified Chaos 335	Posted - 2014.02.15 13:22:00 - [14] - Quote Alexander Cachapero wrote: Thanks, those are answers that are very helpful. So according to what you guys are saying I should A. Wait till after the nerf to see if I still want the Mach and B. practice tactics in things I don't care blow up? O and what skills should I have reguardless of what I'm flying (like i have no clue what its going to be) if I'm going to be flying BS sized things eventually? I think what they are saying is train your skills up first. Just because you can sit in something doesn't mean you can fly it well. You need personal piloting experience and hard skill experience. Train your core skills first (navigation, capacitor, armor or shield, fitting) and a single weapon system say up to cruiser level. Mining too if you want it. Slowly move up ship classes. For personal experience in PVP, I suggest RvB or FW or Eve University, Agony, Brave Newbies, etc. Basically, high-sec vets lick their chops over failfit blingy ships flown by newbie characters. They point and laugh at the kill mails and post them in corp chat and on the forums. Don't be one of those. ;) I'm probably typing on an iPad, which means the auto-correct is silly and fixing typos is a pain. I ain't fixing them.
Goldennuggets Bath Salt Abusers 0	Posted - 2014.02.15 13:29:00 - [15] - Quote you said you have 6.5 bil to spend... why not purchase a character with decent skills on the character bazaar? it might not have perfect skills but im sure you could buy a good lvl 4 mission running character.
Alexander Cachapero Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2014.02.15 16:53:00 - [16] - Quote I didn't know it was possible to buy characters, thanks for the info
Karak Bol Low-Sec Survival Ltd. 172	Posted - 2014.02.15 17:06:00 - [17] - Quote My advice: Work you way up to bigger ship classes and learn PvP in each of them. (And never again say Higher-end Ship, a frigate can just be as high end as a Titan. The best pilots I know mastered many sizes (or at least a wide variety of subcapitals) Start with a Slasher/Rifter until you can fly it T2 fitted with lvl 4 skills, try a few Thrashers then change to a lets say Stabber until you can T2 fit it with some lvl 5 skills. Now a few Hurricanes and next up would be lets say a Tempest (Closest Minmatar BS to a Macha). Get more lvl 5s up. (Mix some faction ships in between) Final hint: Do not buy a char. Its a shortcut yes, but you will miss the enjoyment of changing from a Newbie to a Combat pilot. Read as much as you can, google is your friend.
Alexander Cachapero Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2014.02.15 17:19:00 - [18] - Quote So buy a pack of rifters and just slowly work toward a nice faction ship?
Aralieus The Inf1dels Insidious Empire 204	Posted - 2014.02.15 17:29:00 - [19] - Quote Having the right skills for a ship can make a world of difference, like night and day. I used to have so many problems with my Abbadon like guns not reaching or tracking, capacitor being empty in less than 2 minutes, tank failing horribly, when I released my drones they would hover around my ship and taunt me and it handled like a ****** on a bicycle. Once I skilled up the right things its an absolute monster when I get behind the wheel. Bigger isn't always better...definitely not until you're skilled properly. Oderint Dum Metuant
Antillie Sa'Kan Forging Industries Silent Infinity 365	Posted - 2014.02.15 18:00:00 - [20] - Quote Aralieus wrote: Having the right skills for a ship can make a world of difference, like night and day. I used to have so many problems with my Abbadon like guns not reaching or tracking, capacitor being empty in less than 2 minutes, tank failing horribly, when I released my drones they would hover around my ship and taunt me and it handled like a ****** on a bicycle. Once I skilled up the right things its an absolute monster when I get behind the wheel. Bigger isn't always better...definitely not until you're skilled properly. This is completely true. Except that it applies to all ship classes. Not just the large ones. There is a huge and scary difference between a poorly skilled frigate/AF/Interceptor and a maxed out one.
Gregor Parud 239	Posted - 2014.02.15 18:44:00 - [21] - Quote Alexander Cachapero wrote: So buy a pack of rifters and just slowly work toward a nice faction ship? What you need isn't a bigger or more expensive ship, you need knowledge and experience. it'll take you dozens/hundreds of losses before you might get the hang of it, might as well be cheap losses. Enjoy small ships like frigates and perhaps at some point cruiser hulls, soak up the experience, get better, understand more, learn more and then, perhaps, move on to funky stuff.
Alexander Cachapero Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2014.02.15 19:17:00 - [22] - Quote So if skills play such a huge differance should I attempt to get all of mine to level 5 if they are combat centered?
Alexander Cachapero Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2014.02.16 04:51:00 - [23] - Quote Okay i just found out that the ships info page tell you what is recoemned and needed, guess i know what to get now!
Victoria Thorne Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 4	Posted - 2014.02.16 05:09:00 - [24] - Quote It's always a good idea to get your skills up to level 5 for whatever your interests are. I assume that by Valiant, you mean Vigilant. You might consider buying a few Thorax's and taking them through their paces first. You can afford to lose 20 or so Thorax's for the price of one Vigilant. My advise is to get some experience under your belt before taking the more expensive ships into pvp. (Both in skill levels & actual player skill.) That said, if you can afford to learn and lose on faction ships, more power to you, I suppose. My advise - buy 20 frigates of your choice. Lose them. Buy 20 more, lose them too. Repeat until you feel comfortable. Then do the same for cruisers. Once you feel good about your chances in a Thorax, you could consider giving a Vigilant a spin. Otherwise it's very likely that you'll just be giving someone else a very nice kill.
Alexander Cachapero Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2014.02.16 10:18:00 - [25] - Quote Thanks for the warning......just bought a pack of 5 thoraxs and yeah.....good thing it wasnt the vigilant cuz i would have been just a little ticked off, got mobbed by frigs and died
Goldensaver Lom Corporation Brothers of Tangra 367	Posted - 2014.02.16 11:10:00 - [26] - Quote Alexander Cachapero wrote: So if skills play such a huge differance should I attempt to get all of mine to level 5 if they are combat centered? Would it be okay in your guys opinion to get a valiant and use it for a while? Because it seems to be quite a nice cruiser. Start with getting everything relevant to 3. At a bare minimum. That's probably the greatest point between time spent and value of increase. From there, get them all to 4. 4 is usually an alright standard, you're at 85%+ of maximum efficiency with the ship for the most part. Most important skills I'd recommend: Power Grid Management (V) CPU Management (V) Weapon Upgrades (IV) Hull Upgrades (IV) Shield Management (IV) Mechanics (IV) Navigation (IV) Capacitor Management (IV) Capacitor Systems Operation (IV) Acceleration Control (IV) That's not to say simply stop there. I'd just say that's the beginning of laying down a good core. You've maxed the two most important fitting skills with that, allowing you to (for the most part) properly fit your ship. You've attempted to maximize your buffer on any ship by increasing your shield, armour, and hull buffer by 20%, and you've gained the ability to use the Damage Control II module, potentially one of the strongest modules in PvP. You've got some basic capacitor management, hopefully making it so you don't run out of cap at the worst of times. And you've trained up your speed so you can try to keep within your preferred range. More is better, but that is good in addition to minimum III's for all other important ship specific skills. Oh, and the ship loss plan laid out by Victoria Thorne is always great advice. Keep flying until you start finding success. You won't win every time, but you want to try as hard as you can to make sure you win as much as possible. Oh, and the cardinal rule of EVE: "Don't fly what you can't afford to lose."
Jacob Holland Weyland-Vulcan Industries 249	Posted - 2014.02.16 11:42:00 - [27] - Quote The bigger ships look awesome and they feel like they ought to be awesome. But a lot of that is illusiory. EVE's systems are set-up so that you can fight your own weight class or higher but smaller ships are really difficult for big ships to handle. There are ways by which big ships can be made to be brutal to smaller ones but, in general, the specialisation comes at a hefty price. With the budget you have I would suggest that a single, large asset (like a fitted Macherial) would be a poor method of investment. You would be better sinking some of that money into things with a much shorter return, things which will pay off now or in the next few weeks. Implants to accelerate your skillpoint gain and mitigate the issues which are going to arise from but your character's skills and the lessons you haven't learned yet for example. Your have your experience with your Thoraxes as an example. Why were the frigates able to mob you? How could you have survived longer? killed more of them? Were your weapons hitting and if not how could you make them work better?
Arsine Mayhem Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic 126	Posted - 2014.02.16 13:19:00 - [28] - Quote When you do figure out what ship(s) you want to fly, start: http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Template:ShipsMatrix for fittings. Also setup and use evemon to plan training. http://evemon.battleclinic.com
Shrike Crendraven Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 1	Posted - 2014.02.16 17:42:00 - [29] - Quote Alexander Cachapero wrote: Thanks for the warning......just bought a pack of 5 thoraxs and yeah.....good thing it wasnt the vigilant cuz i would have been just a little ticked off, got mobbed by frigs and died Buy the big, awesome ship that you want so bad.... Try to fit it and compare the values with "goal" fit from EFT. Then leave it for next few months in dock and fly frigate/destroyer ;-D I went that route. I have my ship, im happy. Every now and then i do the 10 jumps trip to visit it and stare at it for few moments, then i go back to my destroyer :D
Victoria Thorne Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 5	Posted - 2014.02.16 18:19:00 - [30] - Quote Goldensaver's and Jacob Holland's advise above is quite good. One thing to add: A more powerful more expensive ship in EVE makes you more of a target, not less of one. (Unlike most games.) In low-sec, you might have someone decide not engage your Vigilant or Mach, but it's likely that you'd be meeting them and their friends shortly afterwards. (Or them turning back up in a ship that they consider more appropriate to kill what you are flying.) In high-sec, a Mach will draw more attention than a Tempest or a Maelstrom. (It's more likely to be fitted with expensive stuff, so it will be a higher priority for gankers to take a look at.) It also tends to be better to learn to mission on cheaper ships, it's quite possible to lose a faction battleship in a level 4, if you have no idea what you are doing. (If you know what you are doing and lose one, that's a different story.) That said, a Mach is a great long term goal. I love mine.
Alexander Cachapero Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2014.02.17 06:23:00 - [31] - Quote Thanks alot for the adivce all, im working on the set of basic skills that were outlined to me now. Hope i can learn this game fairly fast!
Anize Oramara S T R A T C O M Critical-Mass 144	Posted - 2014.02.17 12:27:00 - [32] - Quote Do not fit your mission boat with more than 500mill in modules. there is no need for it and that is asking for someone to gank you. spend the isk on your pod and jumpclone pods so you have pvp pods. this game is about one thing and one thing only. blowing up spaceships, yours included. do not ever forget that.
Orlacc 610	Posted - 2014.02.17 23:52:00 - [33] - Quote Go towards a Maelstrom first and learn to fly that before a Mach. "Measure Twice, Cut Once."
Alexander Cachapero Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2014.02.18 04:39:00 - [34] - Quote Can someone explain to me how jump clones work? And thx for the 500mil warning..........was flying around in a 1.3bil vigilant for a while and didnt think it was a bad idea.....(cuz you know.....noob thinks highsec is safe)
Victoria Thorne Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 10	Posted - 2014.02.18 05:12:00 - [35] - Quote 500 million would be reasonable for a missioning battleship with 50K+ EHP. I personally wouldn't go over 100 million on a Vigilant. (And for most things, I would probably end up going much lower than that, but I'm personally not fond of blinging out a ship unless I have a very good reason to do so - I do have a semi-blingy Legion fit I'm fond of, but it's a pvp setup, and I keep spares - I consider it lost when I fly it, when I don't lose it, that's a plus.) Jump clones let you move yourself instantly to a station where you have a jump clone. The same functionality allows you to switch out implants. (You jump from an implanted clone into one without when planning on a dangerous activity, or switch to a clone with implants set up for a specific ship, or fit. I have a Mach clone & a Legion clone, for instance.) You have to have high (8.0, if memory serves) standings with a corp with medical centers in their stations. You can clone jump once every 24 hours, and there is now a skill which decreases that cooldown. You can keep one clone per level of the infomorph psychology skill. Oh, and be careful, as there are things called locator agents. (Which allow you to locate a character's location in the game.) Mentioning that you are flying a 1.3 billion Vigilant is a good way to attract some attention, and not necessarily the kind of attention you would enjoy.
Alexander Cachapero Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2014.02.19 05:25:00 - [36] - Quote So ive been training up abit and practicing on normal ships, I decided to take my nice ship out today and WOW.......everything in level two missions dies in one hit.......huge improvement
Goldensaver Lom Corporation Brothers of Tangra 368	Posted - 2014.02.19 09:35:00 - [37] - Quote Alexander Cachapero wrote: So ive been training up abit and practicing on normal ships, I decided to take my nice ship out today and WOW.......everything in level two missions dies in one hit.......huge improvement Aren't skills the greatest? You won't see quite the same improvements over time as you'll see initially here, but you'll still find that skilling up still brings some nice benefits. Just keep at it, get your cores, and most importantly, fly cheap at first. Keep this up and you'll hopefully be something people won't call a scrub in no time.
Bea Love Red Federation RvB - RED Federation 2	Posted - 2014.02.19 10:51:00 - [38] - Quote Alexander Cachapero wrote: Thanks alot for the adivce all, im working on the set of basic skills that were outlined to me now. Hope i can learn this game fairly fast! Well you can check out the RvB Community - Here you can easily learn small scale PvP and the mechanics of gates, stations etc. And every Saturday Mangala Solaris leads the "Ganked" public roam to 0.0 space - where we engage other groups and larger fleets. In my opinion small gang PvP is much more efficient for learning PvP then trying it solo. RvB is a newbe friendly alliance and you will get some helping hand for your first steps. Also we have prefit ships on cheap contracts for the members. Believe me or not - ive learned more on manually piloting and PvP micromanagement in here then in the large CFC 0.0 Battles. oh... and we are based near Jita in Highsec - so you can easily join :) Have fun.
Chimay Release The Kraken Architecture 11	Posted - 2014.02.19 20:26:00 - [39] - Quote Alexander Cachapero wrote: I just started playing EVE a little over a week ago and have been training a bit to get into a nice big battleship and ORE ship....I think I will find both fun to fly and on that note I was looking at a Machariel as a battleship and the Retriever as a mining. I want the battleship to be able to fight other players well so I will be able to just go on my merry way if someone decides to attack me because im flying a fancy ship and on that note I would like the mining ship to be able to not die horribly if suicide ganked (its never leaving hi-sec) Reccomendations? I have about two weeks left to have "enough" skill to fly the mach in missions...... Once upon a time, I started playing eve. I was up to level 3 missions, I wasn't very old at the time. I was tired of doing the same old thing and wanted to go to level 4's where I though the real money is! Thus I purchase a Raven and fitted heavy's because that's all I had the skills for. Lost it shortly after because I lacked the tanking skills and DPS to effectively fly the thing. Not learning my lesson I bought two more, lost it again, last one I lost in lowsec because I didn't have the skills to fly the ship. If I could do it over again this is what I would do. Get the current frigate load out to T2 Cap support skills. Moving forward you now have the ground work laid to be in a good postion in any ship you fly. Navision, Engineering, Shield, Tank, Weapon support skills, all looking good! You can now skill in another ship and have the skills needed. Wouldn't take it past Battle Cruiser for now. Play catch up first. You'll thank yourself later. Or you can suck at everything you fly and loose Ships left and right like I did till you learn. It's really worth the time investment, trust me!
Ginger Barbarella Caldari Provisions Caldari State 1875	Posted - 2014.02.19 22:40:00 - [40] - Quote Alexander Cachapero wrote: "enough" skill to fly the mach in missions...... Wow. You're gonna lose that expensive toy in glorious fashion!! Good on ya!!!! "Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac
Eaphod Divided Unity The Night Crew Alliance 41	Posted - 2014.02.19 22:48:00 - [41] - Quote Alexander Cachapero wrote: I have a 6 billion budget for the BS and 500 mill for the miner Three week old toon that has a 6 billion ISK budget for a Mach? It sounds like you think you can buy your way to success in EVE.
Alexander Cachapero Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2014.02.19 23:09:00 - [42] - Quote Thanks for all the helpful and constuctive replys everyone! Cleared up alot of questions and misconceptions that I had about this game........and no doubt save me some major rage by fail flying something that is way too big for me to use yet
Dato Koppla PillowFighters Inc Stealth Wear Inc. 494	Posted - 2014.02.20 01:39:00 - [43] - Quote Alexander Cachapero wrote: Thanks for all the helpful and constuctive replys everyone! Cleared up alot of questions and misconceptions that I had about this game........and no doubt save me some major rage by fail flying something that is way too big for me to use yet Yeah you should stick to cheaper ships while you learn, I actually just gave some advice to a new guy in a similar position as you who wanted to use a Mach to run L4s while he was quite new, I convinced him to fly a Maelstrom instead and he lost the Mael on the second mission he run, which would have been his Mach. There's nothing wrong with using expensive ships but you should know what you're doing first.
Destination SkillQueue Are We There Yet 6299	Posted - 2014.02.20 22:13:00 - [44] - Quote One time bump to fix forum.
Alexander Cachapero Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2014.02.25 03:50:00 - [45] - Quote Destination SkillQueue wrote: One time bump to fix forum. What does this mean?
Alexander Cachapero Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2014.02.25 03:54:00 - [46] - Quote Out of wonder is the mach still a good ship? It seems that the price has gone down quite abit from last year.......is this because its not as good as it once was?
Victoria Thorne Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 35	Posted - 2014.02.25 04:00:00 - [47] - Quote To your first question, the forum had some issues a few days ago. Someone went in and gave all the threads which had recently been replied too a bump to make them visible again. To your second, the price dropped when Marauders were rebalanced. It's still the same ship its always been. (A fair number of people switched to the Vargur.) The Mach is extremely good for mission blitzing & overall awesomeness. The Vargur is a good alternative though.
Alexander Cachapero Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2014.02.25 04:13:00 - [48] - Quote So.......its not because it was nerfed or anything? So it is just because there are now other ships that can compare to it for mission running? Im asking cuz I dont want to buy something that is still fairly expensive if there is something more suited for what i have in mind(small gang work and L4s) Thanks for the explaination on the bump btw.
Victoria Thorne Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 36	Posted - 2014.02.25 04:18:00 - [49] - Quote That is correct. It has not been nerfed. All of the pirate faction BS's have had a drop in price, as Marauders went from being largely novelty ships into being worth using for mission running. At some point, there will a rebalance of the Pirate Battleships, but I haven't heard when, or what the specifics will be. They'll still be strong, I'm sure.
Alexander Cachapero Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2014.02.25 04:22:00 - [50] - Quote Ah, well thanks for calming my fears lol! I personaly love the mach for its looks and awsome speed and power and would be very sad to see it (or any of the pirate ships on that note) fall from their place of "glory" cuz it is after all kinda hard to get them in the first place.
Victoria Thorne Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 36	Posted - 2014.02.25 04:28:00 - [51] - Quote It's an awesome ship. Just make sure that you're skilled for it before you use it. It's strong & fast, but you should know what you're doing before trying to use it. Use a Maelstrom or Tempest first... Once you can do level 4's in a Mael without issues, the Mach will make them a breeze.
Alexander Cachapero Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2014.02.25 04:40:00 - [52] - Quote I'm honestly partial to the tempest myself, looks sleek and I like the "nest" of guns it has. I currently have one waiting for my skills to be good enough next to my other ships......guess I should park a Mach next to it too huh?
Victoria Thorne Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 37	Posted - 2014.02.25 04:44:00 - [53] - Quote Personally, I'd wait until you're ready to fly it. (Or at least get it home safely - fit it with T2, not faction if you are going to buy one and move it somewhere with low skills...) No real harm in buying one & parking it, if you have billions available. They are really nice to look at.
Alexander Cachapero Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2014.02.25 04:55:00 - [54] - Quote My home is only two jumps from the place I plan to buy one so I "think" I can get it to my my main hanger safely.....or is it not worth the risk you think? I would be flying its modules over one by one to minimize risk of loss. (Same thing I did for my vigilant)
Victoria Thorne Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 37	Posted - 2014.02.25 05:01:00 - [55] - Quote It's unlikely that anything would happen, just properly tank it (T2 or Meta 4). (No faction, officer or deadspace stuff on it either - that would make it worth killing.) Once you are skilled up for it, then you can bling it out a bit. You'll want Republic Fleet Gyro's & AB (if you go with an AB over a microwarp drive) to start. The Mach doesn't really need much expensive stuff beyond that - it's quite powerful.
Alexander Cachapero Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2014.02.25 05:05:00 - [56] - Quote So just run a nice set of meta 4 if I'm comfortable with taking it for a ride so that noone gets any "interesting" ideas?
Victoria Thorne Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 37	Posted - 2014.02.25 05:12:00 - [57] - Quote Yes. And make sure you know how to fit it properly before doing so. (For a 800 million ISK ship, it's best to look into fittings before you take it out for a spin.)
Alexander Cachapero Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2014.02.25 05:53:00 - [58] - Quote Will do, thanks for the help and advice! O how do you give a person a like or something for being helpful? I'm not familiar with the process on this site....
Victoria Thorne Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 37	Posted - 2014.02.25 06:02:00 - [59] - Quote You're welcome. There is a like button on the upper right side of each posting.
Gnadolin Space Pioneers 23	Posted - 2014.02.25 17:52:00 - [60] - Quote Am I the only one wondering what i did wrong when reading that a 3weeks old toon has 6bil budget? Seriously... how?!
Lido Seahawk Norr Amalgamated Industries 41	Posted - 2014.02.25 21:07:00 - [61] - Quote A thread about week old toon with 6 billion ISK skilled into a BS gets 3 pages of discussion? Really? Can you folks not spot a troll when you see one? Come to think of it, why hasn't this thread been locked yet?
Fredfredbug4 Eve Defence Force Cult of War 2140	Posted - 2014.02.26 00:06:00 - [62] - Quote Why do you need a mach and a hulk in the first place? You're a 3 week old player who hasn't even scratched the surface of what this massive game has to offer. I would suggest trying a little bit of everything and once you find something that you like a lot, train that up. Watch Fred Fred Frederation and stop cryptozoologist! Fight against the brutal genocide of fictional creatures across New Eden! Is that a metaphor? Probably not, but the fru-fru- people will sure love it!
ZAKURELL0 LINDA Black Scorpions Inc Circle-Of-Two 50	Posted - 2014.02.26 02:54:00 - [63] - Quote 1 yr old in EVE, more than enough iskes to buy any subcap hull just to get blown up, and yet i still fly frigs to **** around. as people said before, you should get a taste of pvp in dirt cheap frigs. learning is a process, it takes time and effort, while a goal is always nice to have, dont get on it too early. i advise you to visit this thread again in 2015, see how different you had became. and please, lemme know before u undock in a mach RIP Iron Lady
Victoria Thorne Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 54	Posted - 2014.02.26 02:59:00 - [64] - Quote ZAKURELL0 LINDA wrote: 1 yr old in EVE, more than enough iskes to buy any subcap hull just to get blown up, and yet i still fly frigs to **** around. as people said before, you should get a taste of pvp in dirt cheap frigs. learning is a process, it takes time and effort, while a goal is always nice to have, dont get on it too early. i advise you to visit this thread again in 2015, see how different you had became. and please, lemme know before u undock in a mach He did mention wanting to use it in pvp... While I think it's a bit mad to have that solid a goal early on, if he knows the risk & has the isk, who am I to judge?
Alexander Cachapero Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2014.02.26 03:32:00 - [65] - Quote obsessive mining with friends..........and two plex
Alexander Cachapero Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2014.03.10 06:40:00 - [66] - Quote So I got a mach........and fitted it, put it in my hanger for layter......
Azeroth Uluntil e X i l e The Initiative. 12	Posted - 2014.03.11 10:15:00 - [67] - Quote If you are wanting to gather experience in pvp, I highly recommend joining Red Versus Blue. Either side. I have heard nothing but good things about them. Quick way to lose small ships and gain experience.
Ginger Barbarella Caldari Provisions Caldari State 1887	Posted - 2014.03.11 22:28:00 - [68] - Quote Learn to fly first, and get your core skills up. Don't even think about climbing into a BS until you're ready for it (6 months down the line). "Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac
Alexander Cachapero Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2014.03.11 22:45:00 - [69] - Quote Yep! was gonna train for about 1 year before flying this https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=328518#_ga=1.241253634.1671488477.1391380406

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