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IDGAD The Scope Gallente Federation 80	Posted - 2014.02.16 14:18:00 - [1] - Quote I've seen so many people complain about how BLOPS are broken, but no one ever seems to go into detail. I'm conflicted in thinking that maybe all the whiners are complaining about being dropped by BLOPS and want them nerfed, or they are flying BLOPS and think it's too hard and they should have max coward mode amounts of logi to support their covert drops. So for those of you who claim it's "broken", what do you think is "broken" about BLOPS and needs "fixing"?
Pok Nibin Filial Pariahs 239	Posted - 2014.02.16 17:13:00 - [2] - Quote What BLOPS whiners? Are you sure you have the right forum? I know people moan about BLOBS, but BLOPS?? Dont fight it; Rejoin your Amarrian patriarchs; You know you want to.
Tesco Ergo Sum Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 23	Posted - 2014.02.16 17:31:00 - [3] - Quote IDGAD wrote: I've seen so many people complain about how BLOPS are broken, but no one ever seems to go into detail. I'm conflicted in thinking that maybe all the whiners are complaining about being dropped by BLOPS and want them nerfed, or they are flying BLOPS and think it's too hard and they should have max coward mode amounts of logi to support their covert drops. So for those of you who claim it's "broken", what do you think is "broken" about BLOPS and needs "fixing"? Broken - too long to train a good Cyno alt Broken - Jump distance needs to be tripled, we aren't jumping a Captial here so why not increase the range Broken - Logi, needs "max coward mode" for sure... why can't BLOPS have their equivalent of Slowcats? With BlueSec taking over BLOPS is the FUTURE!11!!!1!!!
Beekeeper Bob Beekeepers Anonymous 1104	Posted - 2014.02.16 17:38:00 - [4] - Quote IDGAD wrote: I've seen so many people complain about how BLOPS are broken, but no one ever seems to go into detail. I'm conflicted in thinking that maybe all the whiners are complaining about being dropped by BLOPS and want them nerfed, or they are flying BLOPS and think it's too hard and they should have max coward mode amounts of logi to support their covert drops. So for those of you who claim it's "broken", what do you think is "broken" about BLOPS and needs "fixing"? You seem confused, please provide data on all these "Complaints"... CCP: "We know what's best for the game, so you can't have any options....."
Obvious Cyno The Scope Gallente Federation 93	Posted - 2014.02.16 18:46:00 - [5] - Quote Confirming I have seen no complaints since 2012.
Tesco Ergo Sum Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 23	Posted - 2014.02.16 19:07:00 - [6] - Quote Obvious Cyno wrote: Confirming I have seen no complaints since 2012. With a name like yours I'd believe it!
PotatoOverdose Handsome Millionaire Playboys 1114	Posted - 2014.02.16 21:09:00 - [7] - Quote Who the fck is complaining about blops? GTFO op.
TharOkha 0asis Group 808	Posted - 2014.02.16 21:24:00 - [8] - Quote did you mean BLOB? .
Veritaal Veri-Tech Tax Haven 44	Posted - 2014.02.16 21:38:00 - [9] - Quote I don't think they are broken. I am disappointed that they are pretty much only used as mini-titans for bridging covops fleets though.
Felicity Love Whore and Peace Forsaken Asylum 1523	Posted - 2014.02.16 23:25:00 - [10] - Quote BLOPS isn't broken, it's just misunderstood -- usually by those too impatient to train the skills or feel that it's unfair their 2 day old character can't fly a Titan already. ... and I was just saying the other day, "Damn, I miss Soundwave"....
Model X5 Under The Desktop 0	Posted - 2014.02.17 00:02:00 - [11] - Quote i like pizza
Alaric Faelen Sabotage Incorporated Executive Outcomes 233	Posted - 2014.02.17 00:20:00 - [12] - Quote The only complaint generally is that Blops are too expensive and too weak for their hull size, to be used for actual fighting as opposed to just a covert bridge. But really, it'd be a bit OP to have a battleship that can both bridge in a support fleet while itself being an almighty hammer of the gods. Their expense and relative lack of DPS added to a fleet (plus that it cannot warp while cloaked) mean that they will remain unpopular choices for front line fighting. Many Blops follow a fleet into system as a means to bridge them back out, so risking them in direct combat may also strand an entire fleet far from friendly space. Also, the nature of covert warfare is hit and run, lightning strikes- something battleships are hardly known for. Quite simply, their use as a mobile, covert bridge far outweighs the benefit of risking them in combat. So they tend to be much like Titans- very expensive ships that are only ever used to bridge fleets around then parked. In fact, Blops are probably used even less in direct combat roles than Titans these days. But no rage that I've heard.
Mara Rinn Cosmic Goo Convertor Cosmic Consortium 4899	Posted - 2014.02.17 00:28:00 - [13] - Quote IDGAD wrote: I've seen so many people complain about how BLOPS are broken, but no one ever seems to go into detail. [citation needed] Perhaps you're a slow reader and are just catching up on the 2011-12 forums, and weren't aware that Black Ops had their range significantly expanded, fuel consumption significantly reduced, and fuel capacity significantly increased in Retribution 1.1. The current complaints about Black Ops are mostly complaints about hot drops, which apply to all jump mechanics, not just Black Ops. Day 0 advice for new players: Day 0 Advice for New Players
Mara Rinn Cosmic Goo Convertor Cosmic Consortium 4899	Posted - 2014.02.17 00:32:00 - [14] - Quote Alaric Faelen wrote: The only complaint generally is that Blops are too expensive and too weak for their hull size, to be used for actual fighting as opposed to just a covert bridge. But really, it'd be a bit OP to have a battleship that can both bridge in a support fleet while itself being an almighty hammer of the gods. Yup. If people really want to take a 1B ISK ship into the front line, there are Machariels, Vindicators, dreadnoughts and carriers to sate their spendthrift desires. Alaric Faelen wrote: Quite simply, their use as a mobile, covert bridge far outweighs the benefit of risking them in combat. Couldn't agree more :) Day 0 advice for new players: Day 0 Advice for New Players
EmoKidWithKantana Snuff Box 34	Posted - 2014.02.17 00:35:00 - [15] - Quote I love Blops, i really do, and thats mostly due to how there design philosophy is laid out They are one of those few types of ships in the game who's role is simply to "**** with other people" and ruin other pilots days From keel up, they are made for jumping on people that do not expect you, and then bugging out with as little risk as possible to yourself, they really have very few other roles Sure, ceptors and other fast ships tend to be designed around a similar modus operandi, but they have other purposes like scouting and the like... not so with blops On top of that, they are also easy enough to deal with due to there limited hitpoints, and as long as you know your locals you can predict there appearance pretty easily
Unsuccessful At Everything The Troll Bridge 10292	Posted - 2014.02.17 03:23:00 - [16] - Quote BLOPS are broken the same way AFK Cloaking is broken. *Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?*
Tesco Ergo Sum Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 23	Posted - 2014.02.17 08:10:00 - [17] - Quote From the post Mara linked above: "This is not the big Black Ops rebalance, and we here at CCP do not consider Black Ops "done" after these changes..." Rage will take over when these are done: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=FfdJdZ5_guM#t=66
Em arr Roids Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2014.02.17 08:21:00 - [18] - Quote Hey guys. I Blop'd my cherry on the test server the other day and there was no premature ejections. Nothing wrong with blops imo.
Sevendeadly Sins Meatshield Bastards The Bastards. 81	Posted - 2014.02.17 14:27:00 - [19] - Quote Model X5 wrote: i like pizza Your face screams "PUNCH ME!" The voices... I must comply... punches Model X5 http://www.zombo.com
Ptraci 3 R Corporation Boarderline Cartel 1771	Posted - 2014.02.17 15:08:00 - [20] - Quote It's easy, stop flying Widows.
Soldarius Deadman W0nderland Test Alliance Please Ignore 536	Posted - 2014.02.17 15:44:00 - [21] - Quote Ptraci wrote: It's easy, stop flying Widows. Widow is baws, yo. Permajammed ftw. Free Ripley Weaver!
Alaric Faelen Sabotage Incorporated Executive Outcomes 234	Posted - 2014.02.17 18:43:00 - [22] - Quote Every Blops pilot I know (it's on my to-do list as well) WANTS to use them in combat more. But their sheer utility as a mobile bridge means they are more useful before and after a fight than during one. It's a bit unfortunate, but it is a balance issue as well. Currently the main body of a cloaky fleet is the Recons and Bombers (and T3's for the space-rich)- if the Blops themselves were made better, it might make the small ships obsolete as all you need is a fleet of Blops to jump themselves onto a target. The relative weakness (at least compared to cost and non-combat utility) of the Blops is a necessary evil, IMO. I can see perhaps a new Blops introduced for each race, splitting the class like the Recons. One meant for direct combat, perhaps with limitations or even the complete removal of bridging ability, and the other the current 'soft' version meant more for bridging/support than combat- but made even softer and allowing a much larger fuel bay (assuming you might now be bridging the combat Blops more commonly and not just small frigs and cruisers). A larger fuel capacity would also eliminate the role of 'fuel truck' in the form of Blockade Runners. Currently this pretty much just falls to an alt and parked somewhere cloaked in a safe. It's not a role that is fleshed out enough for a player to want to do, and there is little point in a role created almost specifically for some multi-boxed alt. Either make it a role or ditch it by giving the bridge ships enough fuel on their own. There are other small tweaks that cloaking could use. The ability to still 'see' cloaked fleet mates is one we've been waiting for. At the very least FC's should be able to detect his fleet around his ship, whether they are in bridge range...little things.
Loraine Gess Confedeferate Union of Tax Legalists 87	Posted - 2014.02.17 19:05:00 - [23] - Quote Tesco Ergo Sum wrote: IDGAD wrote: I've seen so many people complain about how BLOPS are broken, but no one ever seems to go into detail. I'm conflicted in thinking that maybe all the whiners are complaining about being dropped by BLOPS and want them nerfed, or they are flying BLOPS and think it's too hard and they should have max coward mode amounts of logi to support their covert drops. So for those of you who claim it's "broken", what do you think is "broken" about BLOPS and needs "fixing"? Broken - too long to train a good Cyno alt Broken - Jump distance needs to be tripled, we aren't jumping a Capital here so why not increase the range Broken - Logi, needs "max coward mode" for sure... why can't BLOPS have their equivalent of Slowcats? With BlueSec taking over BLOPS is the FUTURE!11!!!1!!! You have the Etana, for the low low price of some 60-80b...
Alundil Sky Fighters 403	Posted - 2014.02.17 19:59:00 - [24] - Quote Obvious Cyno wrote: Confirming I have seen no complaints since 2012. Corp history begins on 12/21/2012 I see what you did there. Clone mechanics enchancements Deep Space Probe Revival
Batelle Komm susser Tod 1794	Posted - 2014.02.17 20:04:00 - [25] - Quote the only thing broken about blops is that the nestor isn't one. "CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!" Never forget.
Hasikan Miallok Republic University Minmatar Republic 285	Posted - 2014.02.17 22:48:00 - [26] - Quote Batelle wrote: the only thing broken about blops is that the nestor isn't one. People aren't generally whining about wanting the Nestor to be BLOPS and be capable of dropping cynos ... they seem more keen to give it a covops cloak. (Problem of course is it is priced around the cost of a carrier and any buffs that make a BS worth the cost of a carrier will also make it OP.)
seth Hendar I love you miners 459	Posted - 2014.02.17 23:23:00 - [27] - Quote Mara Rinn wrote: IDGAD wrote: I've seen so many people complain about how BLOPS are broken, but no one ever seems to go into detail. [citation needed] Perhaps you're a slow reader and are just catching up on the 2011-12 forums, and weren't aware that Black Ops had their range significantly expanded, fuel consumption significantly reduced, and fuel capacity significantly increased in Retribution 1.1. The current complaints about Black Ops are mostly complaints about hot drops, which apply to all jump mechanics, not just Black Ops. to me, they are now almost finesince this update, two things that could be reviewed a bit, is fuel consumtion when bridging a cruiser sized (still insane), and the resist that could be uped a bit, but for the rest, it's really fine
SmilingVagrant GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2478	Posted - 2014.02.18 02:46:00 - [28] - Quote Soldarius wrote: Ptraci wrote: It's easy, stop flying Widows. Widow is baws, yo. Permajammed ftw. Or you could just bridge two falcons in using the widow and get more jamming for less cost.
SmilingVagrant GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2478	Posted - 2014.02.18 02:48:00 - [29] - Quote Hasikan Miallok wrote: Batelle wrote: the only thing broken about blops is that the nestor isn't one. People aren't generally whining about wanting the Nestor to be BLOPS and be capable of dropping cynos ... they seem more keen to give it a covops cloak. (Problem of course is it is priced around the cost of a carrier and any buffs that make a BS worth the cost of a carrier will also make it OP.) Actually I just want it to be able to jump to a covert cyno. You can have it's drone bonus back, and I don't want a covops cloak for it.
KiithSoban Big Johnson's PLEASE NOT VIOLENCE OUR BOATS 35	Posted - 2014.02.18 04:09:00 - [30] - Quote Imagine an army. Yes the regular type army you are thinking of for whatever country you are from. Now imagine another army. This other army has the ability to, given that there is at least one of their guys right next to you, teleport their entire army to that guy right next to you. Instantly. With no warning. Their entire army appears in front of your face. Granted, this other army's soldiers are a bit weaker than yours, and harder to train. But that doesn't matter because they appear in your face all at once. In one instant they massively overwhelm whatever force that you may have gathered, because guess what? They already had a guy standing next to you so they know exactly what you have, and had just made the decision that their vast (but weaker) army was strong enough to overwhelm your smaller one. Ok so you know you are done for. But what about retaliation? Nah. If this other army is good enough at what they do, they will be in and out in less than 60 seconds. This is not enough time for you to send in reinforcements from next door. You literally can't do anything. So how do you win? You win by doing the exact thing they are doing, except better. You get a titan. Why do you need a titan? To counter-teleport them! They teleport on top of you, then you teleport your WHOLE army (not just your bait army) on top of their face. This time, your soldiers are stronger, and you have more of them because they are easier to train. But.... but... I don't have a titan =(. Well neither do I. They are expensive... Hince the problem.... So do you see the problem now? This is why i have this character trained for BLOPS, and I have my alt character trained for BLOPS. Having BLOPS is awesome. If you can't beat um, join um. Am I right? I want to see logi appear on killmails! (by just repping)-á See CSM "reasonable things"

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