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noraus
Nuwa Foundation Fraternity.
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Posted - 2014.02.20 01:21:00 -
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Yo folks, We have a fleet for regular time. But I want to just play a little bit more EVE.
my two chars basically cover every kind of ships but with rare overlap. And I can't use missile at all. So guys any suggestions? fitting? thx |
Bane Nucleus
Sky Fighters
1001
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Posted - 2014.02.20 01:26:00 -
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RR Domis work great for this and they are cheap. Plus sentry drones put out great dps at various ranges, which is great for those far apart spawns in c4 anoms. No trolling please |
noraus
Nuwa Foundation Fraternity.
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Posted - 2014.02.20 02:27:00 -
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nice, working on fitting now.
Is that possible that one domi and one T3? |
Adoris Nolen
Sama Guild
42
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Posted - 2014.02.20 03:01:00 -
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Dual maruaders or sentry carriers or go home. |
noraus
Nuwa Foundation Fraternity.
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Posted - 2014.02.20 03:09:00 -
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Adoris Nolen wrote:Dual maruaders or sentry carriers or go home.
I'll take it as a heartfelt welcome lol. thanks~ |
Adoris Nolen
Sama Guild
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Posted - 2014.02.20 03:34:00 -
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Watch out, apparently no one on the forums thinks c4s are active & some ppl roll their statics.
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noraus
Nuwa Foundation Fraternity.
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Posted - 2014.02.20 03:47:00 -
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you are right. making new friends. |
Adoris Nolen
Sama Guild
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Posted - 2014.02.20 04:13:00 -
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I'll drop insured geddons on you & run your sites with impunity. |
krazyskillz
Danneskjold Shipping Chained Reactions
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Posted - 2014.02.20 18:01:00 -
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You can do it easily in one paladin, can solo even the 2k dps sites in C4. |
Oska Rus
Free Ice Cream People
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Posted - 2014.02.21 10:13:00 -
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Dual tengus or rattler maybe domies but imho you need at least 4 rr domies in C4. Just make tank 1400+ range 100km+ and dps as big as you can. |
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Peter Moonlight
Direwolf-Rayet skylian Verge
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Posted - 2014.02.21 10:21:00 -
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Oska Rus wrote:Dual tengus or rattler maybe domies but imho you need at least 4 rr domies in C4. Just make tank 1400+ range 100km+ and dps as big as you can. 4 Domi? I was doing Instrumental and one of the 100% anoms in a C5 with 3.. 2 Domi's can do C4's easily, just get T2 sentries to work as intended.
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Zapp McDouche
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.02.21 10:26:00 -
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Could Bastion Golem solo with t2 fit? |
noraus
Nuwa Foundation Fraternity.
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Posted - 2014.02.21 15:53:00 -
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thx all for advice |
Rall Mekin
End-of-Line
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Posted - 2014.02.21 17:47:00 -
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You can solo C4s in a cap boosted marauder. Do NOT disconnect though. Join End-of-Line, -EOL, today, and kill your CEO! (Terms and conditions apply.)
http://imgur.com/yEQqAeb |
TXG SYNC
Outer Ring Sleeper Collective Illusion of Solitude
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Posted - 2014.02.21 19:08:00 -
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Adoris Nolen wrote:Watch out, apparently no one on the forums thinks c4s are active & some ppl roll their statics.
It's all relative. A C2 with a hisec static will typically be much more active than a C4 with a C4 static. That said, we have a couple of C4 corporations in our alliance, and they get plenty of pew & ISK :)
I second the suggestion of RR Domis or RR Armageddons. The Domi is clearly the superior of the two for damage application, but RR Geddons boast a little better tank and that extra high is really useful, at the cost of range and tracking. I haven't heard of anybody without a blinged-out fit (read: more than 500M ISK for the fit) duoing C4 data/relic sites, but add a third person to your duo and you'll handle them just fine using fairly typical RR Domis.
Here's a fairly typical sort of fit for RR domis in C4. The pair can easily run C3 anomalies, and if you're fast enough burning down battleships, C3 data/relic sites and C4 anomalies (though it's a bit tight; good tanking skills and overheating ability are pretty much required). You really want to add a 3rd or 4th to this group to run C4 data/relic sites well, and have a good anchor who knows where he's going. Note it's not cap-stable running all three reppers. The one getting the aggro overheats his remote cap transmitters to the guy giving him the reps, and the guy giving the reps overheats the reppers as needed. Works fine, but a little challenging until you work out the kinks. Practice in a C3 first.
[Dominix, C3/C4 RR Domi]
Damage Control II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Armor Explosive Hardener II 1600mm Reinforced Steel Plates II Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II, Optimal Range Script Omnidirectional Tracking Link II, Optimal Range Script Omnidirectional Tracking Link II, Tracking Speed Script Omnidirectional Tracking Link II, Tracking Speed Script Sensor Booster II
Large Remote Capacitor Transmitter II Large Remote Capacitor Transmitter II Large Remote Armor Repairer II Large Remote Armor Repairer II Large Remote Armor Repairer II Drone Link Augmentor II
Large Drone Control Range Augmentor II Large Remote Repair Augmentor II Large Egress Port Maximizer II
Garde II x5 Warrior II x5 Vespa EC-600 x5 Warrior II x5 Hobgoblin II x5 Bouncer II x5
From my point of view, for a duo this works, a trio is OK, but once I have a fleet of four I start thinking about dedicated logistics! |
Mixery82
Cult of the Fluffy Bunny Cave of Caerbannog
5
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Posted - 2014.02.21 23:53:00 -
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I don't think 2 of this Domis can handle 3 Sleepless Upholder in a Frontier Barracks.
3 Sleepless Upholder doing 1326 DPS and and the cap drain is 30Gj/s + the 2 Awakened Preserver in that wave. 2 of this Domis can only Tank 922 DPS for a while without cap drain.
I am not sure if you can take out the first Upholder before you getting in real trouble |
Peter Moonlight
Direwolf-Rayet skylian Verge
54
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Posted - 2014.02.22 01:22:00 -
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Rall Mekin wrote:You can solo C4s in a cap boosted marauder. Do NOT disconnect though. You can do it without it as well as C5, without cap boosters. You have the fit on the forums and video on youtube, and i've done it also so it's quite possible, Golem/Vargur are doing C4's easy mode, and C5's also are easy just don't DC as you said, CCC it 4 the win. |
TXG SYNC
Outer Ring Sleeper Collective Illusion of Solitude
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Posted - 2014.02.22 01:37:00 -
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Mixery82 wrote:I don't think 2 of this Domis can handle 3 Sleepless Upholder in a Frontier Barracks.
Works for me in practice, but I'll provide a little theorycraft below to reassure you. I will suggest that the party being neuted typically has very, very little to worry about for capacitor here because they're typically running cap transfers, and not reps.
A Sleepless Upholder has in the neighborhood of about 56,000EHP. Assume the skills on these Domis are kind of crappy, and they do 500DPS apiece, or 1000DPS together. It takes them about one minute to burn down a battleship. Each cruiser is burned down much faster, but let's say all told it takes them maybe 70-80 seconds to burn down the first two cruisers and the first battleship from that wave.
During that time, the incoming DPS went from about 1400 to about 1100 after the first two cruisers drop, then down to about 800 or so after the first battleship drops. That means for the first 10-15 seconds the Domis are tanking 1400 DPS and repping around 900, for about 500 incoming DPS (7500EHP damage taken so far). The next 10-15 seconds they are tanking around 1250, minus reps once again, so about 350 incoming DPS (12,750EHP damage taken so far), then for around a minute a Domi is tanking the 1100DPS until that Battleship is burned down, -900 reps, so about 200DPS un-repaired (another 12,000 EHP gone, combined with the earlier damage taking a total of about 45,000EHP total damage).
Each Domi has about 55,000+ EHP in armor alone. Plus nothing in this wave warp scrambles, so if you really get into trouble for some reason... warp out.
The fit works just fine. As long as you're not asleep and don't blow your triggers.
The more common kind of fit that relies a bit heavier on this buffer to tank the heavy waves is below; it's a fairly common RR domi standard with pretty extreme neut resistance. With about 70,000 EHP in armor, it tanks the wave easily, and is more time-tested than the one I provided above which I've only run on Sisi. The fit below "only" tanks about 650DPS, meaning in our example above it's down to about 30% armor by the time the first BS is down and your tank stabilizes in that wave if the rep partner doesn't overheat.
In practice, Sleeper aggro switching and drone aggro means that it's extremely unlikely either of you drops below 50% armor as a pair.
[Dominix, C5 RR Domi]
Damage Control II Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Armor Explosive Hardener II 1600mm Reinforced Steel Plates II Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II
Sensor Booster II, Scan Resolution Script Omnidirectional Tracking Link II, Optimal Range Script Omnidirectional Tracking Link II, Optimal Range Script Omnidirectional Tracking Link II, Tracking Speed Script Omnidirectional Tracking Link II, Tracking Speed Script
Drone Link Augmentor II Large Remote Armor Repairer II Large Remote Armor Repairer II Large Remote Capacitor Transmitter II Large Remote Capacitor Transmitter II Large Remote Capacitor Transmitter II
Large Egress Port Maximizer I Large Egress Port Maximizer I Large Trimark Armor Pump I
Bouncer II x5 Garde II x5 Hammerhead II x5
(extra drones to taste)
As always, scan out an appropriate wormhole on Sisi and go fly the fit there. Cheap, easy to see what works and what doesn't... and a pair of RR domis fit this way or a bit more optimized as I posted a few posts above both work just fine for C4 anomalies (and in larger gangs, C5 and C6!). The latter fit is a bit tougher to test on Sisi due to the faction EANMs, and it's more likely you'll enter structure if you're just using EANM2's.
Please go try it out before you tell me again that what I've tested as working doesn't work :-) |
Adoris Nolen
Sama Guild
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Posted - 2014.02.22 20:10:00 -
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Why armor for pve? Sheild rr is better. |
Ghenghis Kralj
Big Johnson's
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Posted - 2014.02.24 18:05:00 -
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armor mainly because the domi gets pretty sweet sentry bonuses and is relatively cheap. you can do a similar concept with something like rattlesnakes, gilas, or tengus, but your price tag shoots up.
meanwhile the domi set can cost you about 400-600 million depending on fit whereas the others are usually 1+ billion per set. |
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TXG SYNC
Outer Ring Sleeper Collective Illusion of Solitude
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Posted - 2014.02.24 19:28:00 -
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Ghenghis Kralj wrote:armor mainly because the domi gets pretty sweet sentry bonuses and is relatively cheap. you can do a similar concept with something like rattlesnakes, gilas, or tengus, but your price tag shoots up.
meanwhile the domi set can cost you about 400-600 million depending on fit whereas the others are usually 1+ billion per set.
RR Tengus can do it for about the same price, and are an equally valid choice. They have the benefit of low mass when traversing wormholes, and reduced skill requirements. It's why they are so popular! The Domis seem to run the sites faster as a pair, though, due to typically better DPS application than Tengus. That said, a well-skilled Tengu will edge out a poorly-skilled Domi every time. |
Derath Ellecon
Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal
2046
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Posted - 2014.02.24 20:23:00 -
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TXG SYNC wrote:Ghenghis Kralj wrote:armor mainly because the domi gets pretty sweet sentry bonuses and is relatively cheap. you can do a similar concept with something like rattlesnakes, gilas, or tengus, but your price tag shoots up.
meanwhile the domi set can cost you about 400-600 million depending on fit whereas the others are usually 1+ billion per set. RR Tengus can do it for about the same price, and are an equally valid choice. They have the benefit of low mass when traversing wormholes, and reduced skill requirements. It's why they are so popular! The Domis seem to run the sites faster as a pair, though, due to typically better DPS application than Tengus. That said, a well-skilled Tengu will edge out a poorly-skilled Domi every time.
Yea except Tengu's will lose SP when you get ganked and a similarily fit Tengu is going to put out maybe 60% of a domi's DPS.
That being you are much more likely to be able to GTFO in a pair of tengus than Domis. |
Ghenghis Kralj
Big Johnson's
12
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Posted - 2014.02.24 21:26:00 -
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and domi could have a micro jump drive. personally, i think tengus draw a LOT of attention. |
Adoris Nolen
Sama Guild
42
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Posted - 2014.02.25 08:08:00 -
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Or since domis cost like 150 for the hull vs 500+ for a tengu, your not going to give a ****. Add drone assist, better dmg, range, Max RR that doesn't cost dps all while not needing 100m implants to make it work. Ofc, the domi is beast mode in c4 settings. Just make sure the numbers match the spreadsheet & ur good to go. |
TXG SYNC
Outer Ring Sleeper Collective Illusion of Solitude
42
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Posted - 2014.02.25 16:35:00 -
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Adoris Nolen wrote:Or since domis cost like 150 for the hull vs 500+ for a tengu...
Quick sanity check here with Jita prices. Current Tengu hull cost: 140-150M for the hull, 160-170M for the subsystems to run in a RR gang, total about 320M for the hull. Current Domi hull cost: 183M for the hull.
Fitted cost for entry-level C4 RR gangs as of today's Jita prices (price varies by minute): Tengu: 445M ISK Dominix: 374M ISK
In practice, this is a cost difference roughly equivalent to ONE SITE in C4 space.
Don't let price determine which hull you're going to fly in a C4 RR gang. Let the other attributes decide depending on what your needs are: * Armor tank for Domi, shield tank for Tengu. * Drones for Domi, Heavy Missiles for Tengu. * No skillpoint loss upon a gank for Domi, skillpoint loss for Tengu. * Longer skill train for a fully-effective Domi, shorter skill train for a fully-effective Tengu. * 200M+ kg mass cost for a round-trip through a wormhole for Domi, 17M+ kg mass cost for a round-trip through a wormhole for a Tengu. You need to evaluate your static connections to determine the mass costs with which you are comfortable. * Dominix is very slow, Tengu is pretty quick. * Dominix does around 50% better DPS than a Tengu, meaning faster site completion times. * Range is about equal; both can project to around 100km. * Domi can/should MJD to close range with Sleepers spawning at 100+km, Tengu slowboats.
There are more differences to be sure. I don't know that I'd say one is better than another; it depends on your home wormhole's static connection mass limits, your existing skillpoint allocation, the kinds of risk you're willing to tolerate, etc. |
Deen Wispa
Justified Chaos
682
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Posted - 2014.02.26 01:20:00 -
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TXG- Do you need t2 rigs for that RR Domi setup? High Five. Yeah! C'est La Eve . |
TXG SYNC
Outer Ring Sleeper Collective Illusion of Solitude
43
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Posted - 2014.02.26 04:57:00 -
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Deen Wispa wrote:TXG- Do you need t2 rigs for that RR Domi setup?
Not really, you can tank it on buffer, but it reduces the likelihood of needing to warp out in a duo.
Check the second Domi fit I posted for the T1 rig version. Bigger buffer, a bit lower skills, well-tested, but it means you're tanking on buffer longer than the first fit. Still very do-able, 70,000EHP in armor means you can tank for a long time at a DPS deficit :) |
Adoris Nolen
Sama Guild
42
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Posted - 2014.02.26 05:16:00 -
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Unless subsystems have crashed in prices, that 300m tengu is ghetto fit. Also, no ******* way that domi costs 374 to fit unless using faction. |
TXG SYNC
Outer Ring Sleeper Collective Illusion of Solitude
43
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Posted - 2014.02.26 16:38:00 -
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Adoris Nolen wrote:Unless subsystems have crashed in prices, that 300m tengu is ghetto fit. Also, no ******* way that domi costs 374 to fit unless using faction.
Yes, subsystems crashed in price months ago. Those of us in lower-class w-space have been reeling from the drop in nanoribbon prices since then quite a bit.
The only faction items on the domi are two IN EANM, as referenced earlier in the thread (fit is already shown; perhaps you missed it); the Domi tends to go into structure during a triple or quadruple Upholder battleship spawn without the faction EANM. Tengu shown for comparison that can run C4 in a pair is below; go look up the prices yourself. Full fit is right-now 438M current Jita sell order prices, including all subsystems & mods, and is proven in RR gangs up to C5/C6.
My point is, don't let price dictate which one you pick. Use skill requirements & your preferred playstyle decide.
[Tengu, C5/C6 Site Runner]
Damage Control II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Capacitor Power Relay II Capacitor Power Relay II
10MN Afterburner II Pithum C-Type Explosive Deflection Amplifier Pithum C-Type EM Ward Amplifier Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Caldari Navy Large Shield Extender
Large Remote Shield Booster II Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II
Tengu Defensive - Adaptive Shielding Tengu Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay |
Ghenghis Kralj
Big Johnson's
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Posted - 2014.02.26 20:43:00 -
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TXG is right. That's a very workable fit and a good option for c3s. I think it comes down to personal preference and characters' skill set at the end of the day. The tengu risks ISK and SP. The domi only risk ISK. And from my experience, can do the sites quicker. |
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