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GreyMana
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Posted - 2006.04.14 17:33:00 -
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I got some good faction standing and thinking to put up a POS with laboratories for public usage (so other corps can use it). There seems to be a role based access to the POS, but right now I haven't figured out where I can set these rules.
So the question is if it's currently possible to open POS labs for public usage. If not, is it bugged or not in CCPs POS concept?
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Ashvul
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Posted - 2006.04.15 06:56:00 -
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not possible for public access, it is possible to allow alliance corps to use it though.
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Nanos
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Posted - 2006.04.15 13:16:00 -
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Though even that is bugged and not all alliance members for unknown reasons can access it, and yes I have bug reported it to CCP.
If anyones got a workaround, I'd be interested to know.
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GreyMana
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Posted - 2006.04.16 20:14:00 -
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Today I played arround with a small pos + lab. After some hours I figured out that there is a "manage assemblylines" button in the Science & Industry panel. But only when you select the "corporation" filter and highlight a assemblyline.
I think this should be mentioned somewhere when putting labs up. Maybe adding it to the description, e.g. "mobile laboratories can be managed through the Science & Industry panel" would do it as well.
Unluckily every lab will be listed as a installation, so you really have to set the rules 2-5 time (depending on how many labs you have on the POS).
Unluckily none of the settings seem to work properly, but I will try to configure them all right now and hope that the rules will be updated next downtime.
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Kastar
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Posted - 2006.05.14 13:23:00 -
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guys, how many jobs can run at once ?
can several people put in bp's, be it that they can't access the facility at the same time ?
cheers, Kas ------------------------------------------------
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Nexus Fiery
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Posted - 2006.05.14 15:41:00 -
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Originally by: Kastar guys, how many jobs can run at once ?
can several people put in bp's, be it that they can't access the facility at the same time ?
cheers, Kas
The mobile lab has:
3 ME slots 3 PE slots 1 Copy slot
All of them can run at the same time.
Several people (from you corp) can use the facility at the same time, they just need the "rent research slot" role. (And maybe the factory manager role, can't remember)
Btw the ME and PE slots has a time multiply of 0.75 - so researching is actually 25% faster in mobile labs
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PeopleDamager
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Posted - 2006.05.15 09:29:00 -
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i think its possible to give access using the force field password thingy. not sure tho
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Tas Devil
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Posted - 2006.05.15 13:31:00 -
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Originally by: PeopleDamager i think its possible to give access using the force field password thingy. not sure tho
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Agiosgeogios
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Posted - 2006.05.15 17:55:00 -
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Edited by: Agiosgeogios on 15/05/2006 17:56:40
Originally by: PeopleDamager i think its possible to give access using the force field password thingy. not sure tho
Unfortunately it doesn't work this way. The force field password only allows you to get through the shield, inside the bubble. Unless you are a corp member with proper roles assigned it does not give you access to tower management, hangar, mobile labs, turret ammo storage or any other POS modules.
Also, if you're not a member of the corp owning the POS, decide to eject from your current ship when inside the bubble and then log, your vessel will get "pushed" outside the force field.
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Firid Soulbane
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Posted - 2006.05.16 06:27:00 -
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Does anyone know if you have to keep the prints you want researched in the mobile lab, stored in a station in the same system or does the remote research skill allows you to do research from a print located in a station 1+ jumps away?
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Strom Kryos
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Posted - 2006.05.16 17:41:00 -
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Edited by: Strom Kryos on 16/05/2006 17:43:40
Originally by: GreyMana Today I played arround with a small pos + lab. After some hours I figured out that there is a "manage assemblylines" button in the Science & Industry panel. But only when you select the "corporation" filter and highlight a assemblyline.
I think this should be mentioned somewhere when putting labs up. Maybe adding it to the description, e.g. "mobile laboratories can be managed through the Science & Industry panel" would do it as well.
so.. is that just to assign per corp in an alliance.. or for any corp?
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Dagle
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Posted - 2006.05.18 03:57:00 -
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Here's a question or two. I have a corpmate who has a POS set up and I want to convince him to install a mobile lab or two.
Q: Once installed, can they be offlined and still work? - I believe I've read that they will work while offline.
Q: Does the lab need to be onlined to install a job?
Q: Can corpmates use the lab facilities with the BPO in their personal hanger in a system station or does the BPO need to be in a corp hanger in a system station?
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Agiosgeogios
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Posted - 2006.05.18 12:01:00 -
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Originally by: Firid Soulbane Edited by: Firid Soulbane on 16/05/2006 06:53:04 So if you set up an alt corp it is impossible to let members from the main corp do research in a mobile lab deplyed by the alt corp unless you are in the same alliance?
That is correct. It's theoretically possible through standings, etc. but this set of features is not fully implemented yet.
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Agiosgeogios
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Posted - 2006.05.18 12:05:00 -
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Edited by: Agiosgeogios on 18/05/2006 12:06:07
Originally by: Dagle
Q: Once installed, can they be offlined and still work? - I believe I've read that they will work while offline.
I believe there is a bug allowing that. Haven't tried this myself.
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Q: Does the lab need to be onlined to install a job?
Please see above.
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Q: Can corpmates use the lab facilities with the BPO in their personal hanger in a system station or does the BPO need to be in a corp hanger in a system station?
A BPO has to be present at the same station/POS/Outpost as the research facility. In the case of a POS, the mobile research lab has storage space, where you put your blueprints to be researched/copied. You cannot have a BPO in a NPC station or regular corp hangar at a POS. The blueprint has to be stored inside the mobile lab.
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Mesuno
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Posted - 2006.05.18 12:33:00 -
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Originally by: Agiosgeogios Edited by: Agiosgeogios on 18/05/2006 12:06:07 A BPO has to be present at the same station/POS/Outpost as the research facility. In the case of a POS, the mobile research lab has storage space, where you put your blueprints to be researched/copied. You cannot have a BPO in a NPC station or regular corp hangar at a POS. The blueprint has to be stored inside the mobile lab.
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Not quite true.
If you have the skill remote laboratory operations you can place a BPO in a corp station office in the same system as the POS and do research remotely.
hence the BPO remains safe and sound in the station rather than sitting vulnerable out at the POS.
My corp has a Lab POS andwe do our research this way.
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Dagle
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Posted - 2006.05.18 14:00:00 -
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Originally by: Mesuno If you have the skill remote laboratory operations you can place a BPO in a corp station office in the same system as the POS and do research remotely.
hence the BPO remains safe and sound in the station rather than sitting vulnerable out at the POS.
My corp has a Lab POS andwe do our research this way.
Do the BPO's that are in the station have to be in the corp hanger or can they be in an individual corp member's hanger in the local station?
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Agiosgeogios
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Posted - 2006.05.18 15:09:00 -
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Originally by: Mesuno Not quite true. If you have the skill remote laboratory operations you can place a BPO in a corp station office in the same system as the POS and do research remotely. hence the BPO remains safe and sound in the station rather than sitting vulnerable out at the POS. My corp has a Lab POS andwe do our research this way.
Are you sure? I was under the impression that this skill only increased the distance you could conduct research from with the actual blueprint being at the same station/POS as the research facility.
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Thetys
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Posted - 2006.05.19 04:40:00 -
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Originally by: Agiosgeogios
Are you sure? I was under the impression that this skill only increased the distance you could conduct research from with the actual blueprint being at the same station/POS as the research facility.
same here?!
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Bex Beere
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Posted - 2006.05.19 08:25:00 -
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Originally by: Dagle
Do the BPO's that are in the station have to be in the corp hanger or can they be in an individual corp member's hanger in the local station?
The BPO's have to be in the corp hangar.
Bex Beere Director Ominous Corp
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Bex Beere
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Posted - 2006.05.19 08:32:00 -
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Edited by: Bex Beere on 19/05/2006 08:35:00
Originally by: Agiosgeogios
Are you sure? I was under the impression that this skill only increased the distance you could conduct research from with the actual blueprint being at the same station/POS as the research facility.
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If you have the scientific networking skill at level 1 then you can research a BPO stored in the corp hangar of an NPC station in a mobile lab in the same system. You need to be in the same sytem to do this.
Increasing the scientific networking skill level increases the distance from which you can manage the research jobs (2=5 jumps, 3=10 jumps, 4-20 jumps and 5=region) but the BPO must still be in the corp hangar of an NPC station in the same system as the mobile lab.
Hope this helps
Bex Beere Director Ominous Corp
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God Hephaistos
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Posted - 2006.09.04 01:57:00 -
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Bah, that sux, if i have Scientific Networking i want to be able to keep the BPO's in the mobile lab or an NPC station 5 jumps away and still do the research, what a jip.
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Dylatar
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.09.04 08:16:00 -
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Originally by: God Hephaistos Bah, that sux, if i have Scientific Networking i want to be able to keep the BPO's in the mobile lab or an NPC station 5 jumps away and still do the research, what a jip.
Well, you may have missunderstood teh meaning of that skill.
If you bring your car to a car wash, you can start washing when you are there (without the skill) ....
"With the skill" you can make a phone call to the car wash, that they now should start washing your car. But your car have to be at the car wash for this to be done, not anywhere else.
Stupid example, but thats the point.
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Bambi
Gallente Existentialist Collective
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Posted - 2006.09.04 10:26:00 -
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people realy should rad skill descriptions.
I really DONT like the ability to do this remote research at a POS lab withiout the BPO being there. I am sure this must be a bug as how can you research an item you dont have to hand? Its like saying I am going to build a ship here, but my minerals are 4 jumps away and the bluprint in at a different station, why isnt my ship built here?
The only 'moveable' part of the research/building equation is you; and your skills give you more clout with the minions at your station who will go and bung things into a queue for you.
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Dylatar
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.09.04 23:09:00 -
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Edited by: Dylatar on 04/09/2006 23:10:31 Well in case of the BPO stored within the corp hangar of a station within the same solar system ... that may be possible if seen from the technical side. The contents of a blueprint may be trasnfered via radio to a pos lab, be analyzed, researched, and the results sent back to the station. Possible within the same solar system, not possible for systems more far away (restrictions of radio signal range).
In case of minerals (producing) theres no other way that the minerals have to be at the direct place where somethig is produced of it. There are minerals processed which have to be in place, while blueprint data can be sent by radio.
Using tha labs from a npc station within the same system as the POS is the only way to rent slots to corp-members or alliance-members with no direct acess to the POS itself. It's the only way out of the safety dilemma: neither would (and can) you give everyone direct acess to your POS facilities, nor would everyone give you expensive BPOs to put them into your labs.
So in my opinion its ok using POS labs remote from a station within same system, because it would be possible in reality. The only thing which have to be transfered to the labs is the data from the BPO, but not the BPO itself. Scientists all over the world cooperate by sending their data via internet, they don't really need to send manuscripts. So I think allowing it with the restriction within same system thats ok.
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Piertaien Enanama
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.09.05 12:08:00 -
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Originally by: Bambi I really DONT like the ability to do this remote research at a POS lab withiout the BPO being there. I am sure this must be a bug
Thats not a bug. It's intended to work this way. |
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