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gnshadowninja
Concentrated Evil The Marmite Collective
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Posted - 2014.02.24 22:12:00 -
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The OP is comparing a combat recon to a cloaky T3 which is far from comparable.
You need to decide what you want this legion for... A cloaky T3 Legion with neuts needs to be compared with a pilgrim not a curse.
Is it for support? What type of gang? Are you going to be tackle? Do you need DPS?
I'm struggling to answer your original question because I haven't got a base to work around... For example : WH Gang I would run neut legion, Armor T3 Gang i'd run a ham legion, tackle i'd run a insta lock legion etc.. M33P |
God's Apples
Aunenen Civil Liberties Union
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Posted - 2014.02.24 22:22:00 -
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Gh0stBust3rs wrote: A solo nuet legion can cap out a carrier in about 8 minutes with the carrier running nothing. Add in the carrier running reps not at 100% cap already etc and one nuet legion can mean a dead carrier in a matter of a minute.
Maybe if you're killing shitfit ratting carriers, but then you don't really need a neuting legion then do you? A triage archon with proper triage implants can't be neuted out by a full neut bhaal with talismans in.
With that said, neuting legion is still sorta viable on more small scale engagements. However, without the range bonus I feel like the ashimmu is a bit sexier GÖÑ. |
Bertrand Butler
Cras es Noster
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Posted - 2014.02.24 23:28:00 -
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The ashimmu neuts harder, and that 90% web is sexy as hell. Sadly though you will need to have logi for it to do its job, its got sth like one third of the tank the Legion gets at the same pricepoint...T_T
Buff the pirate line CCP! |
Jon Joringer
Zero-K
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Posted - 2014.02.25 00:34:00 -
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Can't fly the Legion, but from what I hear and have read about it on the forums, it seems like the most balanced T3. Other T2 ships will perform their specific roles better than the Legion when fit for that role. The trade-off is in tank (and the ability to reconfigure and perform ALL the roles in one ship, etc). |
Gh0stBust3rs
Wraith Shadow Guards D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
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Posted - 2014.02.25 01:17:00 -
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God's Apples wrote:Gh0stBust3rs wrote: A solo nuet legion can cap out a carrier in about 8 minutes with the carrier running nothing. Add in the carrier running reps not at 100% cap already etc and one nuet legion can mean a dead carrier in a matter of a minute.
Maybe if you're killing shitfit ratting carriers, but then you don't really need a neuting legion then do you? A triage archon with proper triage implants can't be neuted out by a full neut bhaal with talismans in. With that said, neuting legion is still sorta viable on more small scale engagements. However, without the range bonus I feel like the ashimmu is a bit sexier GÖÑ.
If someone tosses a triage cap on the field you dont bother with trying to nuet it. Drop 2-3 dreads on it and call it a day. |
bubble trout
Sky Fighters
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Posted - 2014.02.25 08:59:00 -
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Or you know, not everyone can just bring 2-3 dreads to every fight. |
Mr Floydy
Questionable Ethics. Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
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Posted - 2014.02.25 13:41:00 -
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Yeh I'd lean toward the Legion being overall being one of the best balanced T3s. It's only really the ehp with the 10% hp subsystem that I've ever seen anyone suggest is overpowered. |
Tul Breetai
Impromptu Asset Requisition
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Posted - 2014.02.25 14:14:00 -
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Adeptis wrote:From what I can see for any sort of pvp it fails compared to other ships.
The main problem with the legion is simple, other ships do it better for cheaper and with no loss of skill points.
The top fits I know off for a legion are:
HAM legion - Just take a Sac, its cheaper Pulse legion - Again Zealot is cheaper Neut legion - Curse does it better at longer range Cloaky/Scanner - New Sisters of eve ships/every covert ops are better Salvage legion....about as good as it gets
I may have missed some great fit that really turns it around , please point it out if I have.
The legion has a larger tank and in some case more dps than the above ships but at a massive cost of isk and the loss of skill points when it dies and it will die, everyone will target it.
With so many re balanced ships over the past few years they legion has really fallen behind.
Btw I'm not interested in pve fits for the legion, I don't use it for pve, any ship can be good for pve with little to no risk. What other ship can you get a Sac, Zealot, Curse/Pilgrim, Covops, Damnation, Noctis, and hell even cloaky Guardian, all in one hull? Granted the bonuses aren't quite the same, and the subs need to be rebalanced (and will be), you're paying out the ass for a nearly-full line of T2 amarr ships in one hull.
Grab a tissue and fap with me baby! There's nothing worse than an EVE player, generally considered to be top of the food chain in the MMO world, that cannot smacktalk with wit and coherency. |
Noxisia Arkana
Deadspace Knights
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Posted - 2014.02.25 16:50:00 -
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Tul Breetai wrote: What other ship can you get a Sac, Zealot, Curse/Pilgrim, Covops, Damnation, Noctis, and hell even cloaky Guardian, all in one hull? Granted the bonuses aren't quite the same, and the subs need to be rebalanced (and will be), you're paying out the ass for a nearly-full line of T2 amarr ships in one hull.
Grab a tissue and fap with me baby!
Yeah, I heard versatility is supposed to be the hallmark of T3s. Also, maybe a little too enthusiastic? |
Gh0stBust3rs
Wraith Shadow Guards D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
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Posted - 2014.02.26 08:37:00 -
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bubble trout wrote:Or you know, not everyone can just bring 2-3 dreads to every fight.
Then maybe you shouldnt engage someone that is willing to field triage support. Or do so with someone who can on bat phone to escalate the fight.
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Lloyd Roses
Blue-Fire
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Posted - 2014.02.26 12:31:00 -
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Gh0stBust3rs wrote:bubble trout wrote:Or you know, not everyone can just bring 2-3 dreads to every fight. Then maybe you shouldnt engage someone that is willing to field triage support. Or do so with someone who can on bat phone to escalate the fight.
You really don't have a clue, right? Even if you had a batphone, it's all but easy getting them an entrance within minutes, would even say it#s impossible. While you can burn through an archon with 2-3 dreads, try your luck on a chimera... (tanks 3+ dreads without even overheating, or a quintett of moroses at 0m if fitted for that)
There really is little aside you can do. Also, you need like 6 neutlegions to break a carriers peakrecharge when it's idling, given it isn't shiny. "I honestly thought I was in lowsec"
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Katie Khardoula
Money First The Marmite Collective
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Posted - 2014.02.28 07:11:00 -
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Quote:Can't fly the Legion, but from what I hear and have read about it on the forums, it seems like the most balanced T3. Other T2 ships will perform their specific roles better than the Legion when fit for that role. The trade-off is in tank (and the ability to reconfigure and perform ALL the roles in one ship, etc).
100 times this. The nerf bat is coming for the other T3's, just you wait. Strategic Cruisers were originally designed to take the same role as faction ships - To be much more expensive for slightly better performance. As with everything in Eve, you will pay out the nose for a tactical advantage. The Legion, with it's flexibility, is currently the T3 that best fits this profile.
Quote:What other ship can you get a Sac, Zealot, Curse/Pilgrim, Covops, Damnation, Noctis, and hell even cloaky Guardian, all in one hull? Granted the bonuses aren't quite the same, and the subs need to be rebalanced (and will be), you're paying out the ass for a nearly-full line of T2 amarr ships in one hull.
Grab a tissue and fap with me baby!
And this.
I love my Legion and use it for almost anything that I can think of. Sure, I like to fly other ships for variety or when I'm drunk or being stupid and don't wanna whelp an expensive ship and lose SP, but I would be very comfortable flying the Legion exclusively if it was necessary. It's really just that flexible.
Also, that comment about Cannibal Cane Living proof of the Legion's viability when the pilot knows what he's doing.
Every time I see the first poster replying to the OP by quoting his entire post, I want to punch a baby |
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