Pages: [1] 2 :: one page |
|
Author |
Thread Statistics | Show CCP posts - 0 post(s) |
bout datlife jerrel
Republic University Minmatar Republic
0
|
Posted - 2014.02.21 22:55:00 -
[1] - Quote
was about to join fw then i discovered that people just fly 5 days old alts with multiple warp core stabs to farm lp, lol no thanks.
i hope more people do this, hopefully ccp will be forced to fix it instead of ignoring it |
BuckStrider
Nano-Tech Experiments
152
|
Posted - 2014.02.21 23:01:00 -
[2] - Quote
Then just sit there, shut up, and be poor. Insert Signature Here..... |
Loraine Gess
Confedeferate Union of Tax Legalists
97
|
Posted - 2014.02.21 23:12:00 -
[3] - Quote
5 day old alts with warp stabs? Try 1 hour alts with no training. |
Gyromite
Stronghold of the Condemned The Bloc
23
|
Posted - 2014.02.21 23:12:00 -
[4] - Quote
Got a problem with semi-easy money?(Not like there aren't 5 people hunting you most of the time anyway)
Why don't you run missions then? Oh wait all the noobs train FW stealth bomber alts so it's totally spoonfed and you're too good for that. |
Caviar Liberta
Moira. Villore Accords
448
|
Posted - 2014.02.21 23:18:00 -
[5] - Quote
bout datlife jerrel wrote:was about to join fw then i discovered that people just fly 5 days old alts with multiple warp core stabs to farm lp, lol no thanks. i hope more people do this, hopefully ccp will be forced to fix it instead of ignoring it
Fly an arti thrasher then. Target and alpha, then rinse and repeat. |
djentropy Ovaert
Crazy Bird Inc.
148
|
Posted - 2014.02.21 23:48:00 -
[6] - Quote
Step 1. Get a friend. Step 2. You and friend fit scrams. Step 3. You both enter plex and scram the farmer. Step 4. ???? Step 5. Detonation
Or.
You follow the player everywhere he goes. Sure, he's stabbed so you're not going to lock him down - but you can deny him from making any LP, which can result in plenty of tears and sometimes some lol for your starboard lulztank. |
Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
343
|
Posted - 2014.02.21 23:49:00 -
[7] - Quote
Fit multiple scrams.
It works as most of the LP Farmers I kill have 2 or 3 stabs fit. I carry an extra scram in my cargo and refit in station, removing my web.
That tends to be enough.
But seriously, if you can't find good fights in FW areas and only come across LP Farmers, you aren't looking.
There are lots of fights to be had and in many cases, the LP Farmers are alts of pvp players. It's a way to cover the cost of lost ships from pvp. On that basis I hope nothing changes. If it's not possible for FW players to cover the cost of their pvp ships, then they'll have to resort to other methods or drop out of FW all together. That would be a poor outcome from any change that nerfed LP farming. eve-bazaar - I'm not associated with them, but support it as a worthwhile service |
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance
2950
|
Posted - 2014.02.21 23:57:00 -
[8] - Quote
Welcome to the PvE environment that is faction warfare! Here's your Condor, cloak, warp stabs, and complimentary billion ISK. Remember to always remind the local PvPers how much better you are than them, because your wallet can literally crush all their ships, and they obviously are doing it wrong. Remember to recommend FW to all your alts too! Rifterlings - small gang frigate PvP - lowsec pirate operation, newbie-friendly, free ship program; Join today! www.rifterlings.com
Accidentally The Whole Frigate (blog) - Learning how to pew pew, one loss at a time - www.thewholefrigate.com |
AnotherUseless Alt
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
12
|
Posted - 2014.02.22 00:38:00 -
[9] - Quote
Unfortunately, the average EvE player appears to be smarter than the any of the Devs, and will find the exploit in any mechanic. It was infinitely worse last year, when you could speed tank offensive plexes with a 2 day old alt. Until FW matters to the rest of EvE, it will be nothing more than a haven for pirates, frig gangs and alts farming lp. CCP should never have provided highsec routes between factions, FW should have been instrumental in controlling safe lanes thru the lowsec regions and in return receive isk (tolls) from those who use the route and lp for controlling a route. "Self help is all in your head" |
Dun'Gal
Myriad Contractors Inc.
87
|
Posted - 2014.02.22 04:13:00 -
[10] - Quote
AnotherUseless Alt wrote:CCP should never have provided highsec routes between factions, FW should have been instrumental in controlling safe lanes thru the lowsec regions and in return receive isk (tolls) from those who use the route and lp for controlling a route.
While obviously something of this nature would never happen, this would please me to no end
|
|
Desimus Maximus
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
38
|
Posted - 2014.02.22 05:58:00 -
[11] - Quote
FW is broken for one simple reason. everyone has an alt spai in every faction. There is no loyalty. There, I said it. |
March rabbit
Federal Defense Union
1229
|
Posted - 2014.02.22 09:10:00 -
[12] - Quote
Scipio Artelius wrote:Fit multiple scrams.
It works as most of the LP Farmers I kill have 2 or 3 stabs fit. I carry an extra scram in my cargo and refit in station, removing my web.
That tends to be enough. what would you advice for Wreathe with all 5 slots filled by scrams? alpha tornado won't work: you have no time to prepare your ambush (faction NPC)
The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
|
Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
349
|
Posted - 2014.02.22 09:16:00 -
[13] - Quote
March rabbit wrote:what would you advice for Wreathe with all 5 slots filled by scrams? alpha tornado won't work: you have no time to prepare your ambush (faction NPC)
You can't win em all. There'll always be someone out there with that 1 extra stab.
In FW areas I haven't found that to be a problem and for the most part fitting 2 scrams works. eve-bazaar - I'm not associated with them, but support it as a worthwhile service |
Sycotic Deninard
Basgerin Pirate SCUM.
41
|
Posted - 2014.02.22 09:36:00 -
[14] - Quote
When I was in FW, I never found it a problem killing ships that were stabed out to Hell and back. I didn't kill them all, but I did get quite a few.
FW is broken but not for that reason. A person that does'nt use his intelligence is no better than an animal that does'nt have any and thus are steaks on the table by choice and consent. |
Knights Armament
TDSIN Application Sent
213
|
Posted - 2014.02.22 10:06:00 -
[15] - Quote
To be fair, the reason people do this isn't because its just easy to make isk, they just don't want to be bothered with PvP. I find it easier to run from a fight I know I can't win, than to spend 20-30 minutes reshipping fitting and flying back to my farm spot.
If CCP wanted to encourage PvP, they would make complexes give groups the same reward as they give solo players, then people would have a reason to form gangs and pvp. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZOdADD5RNs&feature=youtu.be http://evemouthbreathers.blogspot.com/ https://secure.eveonline.com/trial/?invc=29554516-05f9-4eca-a942-32e1701a6569&action=buddy |
Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
350
|
Posted - 2014.02.22 10:14:00 -
[16] - Quote
Knights Armament wrote:To be fair, the reason people do this isn't because its just easy to make isk, they just don't want to be bothered with PvP. I find it easier to run from a fight I know I can't win, than to spend 20-30 minutes reshipping fitting and flying back to my farm spot.
If CCP wanted to encourage PvP, they would make complexes give groups the same reward as they give solo players, then people would have a reason to form gangs and pvp.
Farming doesn't break FW and even with stabs and cloaks, you get killed fairly frequently.
There is plenty of opportunity to kill stabbed plexers with the right preparation. eve-bazaar - I'm not associated with them, but support it as a worthwhile service |
Knights Armament
TDSIN Application Sent
213
|
Posted - 2014.02.22 10:15:00 -
[17] - Quote
Scipio Artelius wrote:Knights Armament wrote:To be fair, the reason people do this isn't because its just easy to make isk, they just don't want to be bothered with PvP. I find it easier to run from a fight I know I can't win, than to spend 20-30 minutes reshipping fitting and flying back to my farm spot.
If CCP wanted to encourage PvP, they would make complexes give groups the same reward as they give solo players, then people would have a reason to form gangs and pvp. Farming doesn't break FW and even with stabs and cloaks, you get killed fairly frequently. There is plenty of opportunity to kill stabbed plexers with the right preparation.
I find it difficult not to get killed when I am afk orbiting eating bagel bites http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZOdADD5RNs&feature=youtu.be http://evemouthbreathers.blogspot.com/ https://secure.eveonline.com/trial/?invc=29554516-05f9-4eca-a942-32e1701a6569&action=buddy |
Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
350
|
Posted - 2014.02.22 10:22:00 -
[18] - Quote
Knights Armament wrote:I find it difficult not to get killed when I am afk orbiting eating bagel bites
Working as intended. eve-bazaar - I'm not associated with them, but support it as a worthwhile service |
Miriya Zakalwe
Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance
81
|
Posted - 2014.02.22 11:23:00 -
[19] - Quote
Desimus Maximus wrote:FW is broken for one simple reason. everyone has an alt spai in every faction. There is no loyalty. There, I said it.
This is not why FW is broken. In fact that's one of the more fun things about FW, because let's face it, when you've been in militia chat for more than a couple weeks you want to awox all those guys anyway. |
Dun'Gal
Myriad Contractors Inc.
87
|
Posted - 2014.02.22 11:44:00 -
[20] - Quote
I should also point out that there seems to be a large number of bots present that are farming LP. I know that bots exist in a great many parts of this game, but it's getting to be a bit silly. Some will ask "how do I know they are bots, and not simply very vigilant farmers?" because they don't do things normal people would do... like warping back to the same plex after being blown up in it, repeatedly, to be blown up again. A person would move on after dieing the 6th or 7th time in an hour. My prototype cloak collection is growing large though. |
|
Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
1729
|
Posted - 2014.02.22 12:26:00 -
[21] - Quote
AnotherUseless Alt wrote:Unfortunately, the average EvE player appears to be smarter than the any of the Devs, and will find the exploit in any mechanic. It was infinitely worse last year, when you could speed tank offensive plexes with a 2 day old alt. Until FW matters to the rest of EvE, it will be nothing more than a haven for pirates, frig gangs and alts farming lp. CCP should never have provided highsec routes between factions, FW should have been instrumental in controlling safe lanes thru the lowsec regions and in return receive isk (tolls) from those who use the route and lp for controlling a route. ^^ Want to make billions a week solo running combat sites in null sec? -á Read my Exploratation Guide here -> https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=309467 |
Miriya Zakalwe
Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance
81
|
Posted - 2014.02.22 12:30:00 -
[22] - Quote
Dun'Gal wrote:I should also point out that there seems to be a large number of bots present that are farming LP. I know that bots exist in a great many parts of this game, but it's getting to be a bit silly. Some will ask "how do I know they are bots, and not simply very vigilant farmers?" because they don't do things normal people would do... like warping back to the same plex after being blown up in it, repeatedly, to be blown up again. A person would move on after dieing the 6th or 7th time in an hour. My prototype cloak collection is growing large though.
Yeah. I killed one today that was armed, but not only didn't fight back, it didn't even try and target me. Dude needs to work on his bot script. |
Tollen Gallen
Glory of Reprisal Enterprise
6248
|
Posted - 2014.02.22 14:39:00 -
[23] - Quote
More interesting, theres more ppl in this thread with their arms folded, than not. Says a lot for FW.
I like Bacon. Zimmy Zeta - I f*cking love martinis. the original ones, with gin, not that vodka martini crap. Carmen Electra - You are also on my block list. |
Irya Boone
TIPIAKS
343
|
Posted - 2014.02.22 19:30:00 -
[24] - Quote
like ESS put infinte point on the buttons in a 150km range.
And remove the ability to make Isk in plexes unless you kill someone of the opposite faction.
And for god sake to put an end to this F.. pendulum put NPC buy orders on items of FW , so the higher your tier the higher the income. RENAME null sec systems With the name of REAL Universe Stellar Name like KOI-730 etc etc It will be awesome. Need Black Ops be able to FIT cover ops cloaking device !!! |
Miriya Zakalwe
Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance
81
|
Posted - 2014.02.23 02:04:00 -
[25] - Quote
Irya Boone wrote:like ESS put infinte point on the buttons in a 150km range.
And remove the ability to make Isk in plexes unless you kill someone of the opposite faction.
And for god sake to put an end to this F.. pendulum put NPC buy orders on items of FW , so the higher your tier the higher the income.
1. Disable stabs in plexes 2. Make cloaking cause heat damage in plexes (or just disable it too)
80% of FW problems solved. There's still plenty of easy money running missions, which actually involve minimal danger yet require you to actually play the game. |
LuisWu
Point Web and Wreck
50
|
Posted - 2014.02.23 06:52:00 -
[26] - Quote
AnotherUseless Alt wrote:Unfortunately, the average EvE player appears to be smarter than the any of the Devs, and will find the exploit in any mechanic.
Well, even if this its true, and I think it-¦s not; they have been warned many times by players, so I think it's just another abandon and broken feature. Sadly if there is not a great amount of high sec players angry it seems that it-¦s not a priority. Eliminate Cloack + MWD trick/exploit |
DSpite Culhach
287
|
Posted - 2014.02.23 07:17:00 -
[27] - Quote
Miriya Zakalwe wrote:Irya Boone wrote:like ESS put infinte point on the buttons in a 150km range.
And remove the ability to make Isk in plexes unless you kill someone of the opposite faction.
And for god sake to put an end to this F.. pendulum put NPC buy orders on items of FW , so the higher your tier the higher the income. 1. Disable stabs in plexes 2. Make cloaking cause heat damage in plexes (or just disable it too) 80% of FW problems solved. There's still plenty of easy money running missions, which actually involve minimal danger yet require you to actually play the game.
So instead of making the FW minigame more interesting to play, you just want to impose hard script mechanics to the whole thing?
When I dabbled in FW a time back, I didn't really know what to expect, I guess I expected that militia from the OTHER side would come in and get me, but instead just found the same 5-10 name low sec pirates roaming plex to plex killing frigs entering the FW zones, and since now they added my name to the list, I had a couple that came after me everytime my name appeared in local.
Yes, I'm fully aware that "EVE is working as intended". As an extreme example, if FW was it's own battleground, and had accelleration gates that stopped any ships other then militia ships passing through "... for your own safety yada yada" so the only ships in there where FW related, that would make more sense to me. ~ |
Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
359
|
Posted - 2014.02.23 07:23:00 -
[28] - Quote
DSpite Culhach wrote:So instead of making the FW minigame more interesting to play, you just want to impose hard script mechanics to the whole thing?
...
...
As an extreme example, if FW was it's own battleground, and had accelleration gates that stopped any ships other then militia ships passing through "... for your own safety yada yada" so the only ships in there where FW related, that would make more sense to me.
How is your example solution, not just the same as your opening sentence?
eve-bazaar - I'm not associated with them, but support it as a worthwhile service |
Divine Entervention
The Lonetrek Militia Rapidus Incitus Pactum
30
|
Posted - 2014.02.23 08:11:00 -
[29] - Quote
Why should I not be allowed to run away?
You feel it's a waste of your time?
Well I feel it's a waste of my time if I'm trying to get 15k LP for flipping a plex, and you show up and kill me with only 1 minute remaining.
Why should your time be the governing aspect of interaction? why should your time be more important than mine?
You don't approve of how I choose to play the game? Well then . . . . Let me tell you some things about how you play the game I do not agree with.
lets go down that path, preaching to others how we feel things should be. Changing the game to suit how we want. |
Miriya Zakalwe
Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance
81
|
Posted - 2014.02.23 08:18:00 -
[30] - Quote
Divine Entervention wrote:Why should I not be allowed to run away?
You feel it's a waste of your time?
Well I feel it's a waste of my time if I'm trying to get 15k LP for flipping a plex, and you show up and kill me with only 1 minute remaining.
Why should your time be the governing aspect of interaction? why should your time be more important than mine?
You don't approve of how I choose to play the game? Well then . . . . Let me tell you some things about how you play the game I do not agree with.
lets go down that path, preaching to others how we feel things should be. Changing the game to suit how we want.
Nice try, but if you are in a plex and actually paying attention, you don't need stabs to run away. |
|
|
|
|
Pages: [1] 2 :: one page |
First page | Previous page | Next page | Last page |