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Ahop Yol
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Posted - 2006.04.15 21:20:00 -
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A little while ago, I remember buying a COCD II for like 17mil. Just checked the market to get another and couldn't believe my eyes when I saw they were going for 40-50mil. Anyone have an explanation for that? Don't give me 'supply and demand' because I have studied that to death. There are sell orders up in most regions with like 20-50 COCD II's per order so you can't say that demand outweighing supply is driving the costs up.
Sure, I expect there to be a little more demand than before, what with the recon cruisers being released but I find it hard to believe that is the sole reason.
Is it just BPO owners getting greedy because they have a monopoly?
Constructive discussion only please.
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The Enslaver
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Posted - 2006.04.15 21:22:00 -
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jbob2000
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Posted - 2006.04.15 21:23:00 -
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Sarmaul
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Posted - 2006.04.15 21:24:00 -
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Originally by: Ahop Yol Is it just BPO owners
correction: BPO owner. one guy owns pretty much all the COCDII bpos and so can charge whatever the **** he wants for them
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Gronsak
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Posted - 2006.04.15 21:26:00 -
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Originally by: Sarmaul
Originally by: Ahop Yol Is it just BPO owners
correction: BPO owner. one guy owns pretty much all the COCDII bpos and so can charge whatever the **** he wants for them
yep
plus he could sell all his stock at 5mil a piece, or sell 1/10th his stock at 50mil a piece, it makes sense to sell them all at 50mil a piece.
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Ahop Yol
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Posted - 2006.04.15 21:27:00 -
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I has half expecting to get replies along the lines of "waaaaaaaah" or "buhu". Thanks for the decent replies.
I thought as much, cheers guys.
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2006.04.15 21:33:00 -
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Actually, the main problem is the supply bottleneck with the Improved Cloak IIs, in my experience (they're both used as is and are used to make COCD IIs, thus creating a massive bottleneck).
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Kipkruide
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Posted - 2006.04.15 21:35:00 -
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yup getting expensive tbs
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Nikolai Nuvolari
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Posted - 2006.04.15 21:39:00 -
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Honestly, this monopoly needs to be broken. No government would allow it, and even if they did, competitors would develop the tech also.
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Nyphur
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Posted - 2006.04.15 21:39:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari Actually, the main problem is the supply bottleneck with the Improved Cloak IIs, in my experience (they're both used as is and are used to make COCD IIs, thus creating a massive bottleneck).
Are you sure the problem isn't the lack of covops being destroyed?
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9854365
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Posted - 2006.04.15 21:40:00 -
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Me hugs my bpc's
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HippoKing
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Posted - 2006.04.15 21:43:00 -
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Originally by: Nyphur
Originally by: Dark Shikari Actually, the main problem is the supply bottleneck with the Improved Cloak IIs, in my experience (they're both used as is and are used to make COCD IIs, thus creating a massive bottleneck).
Are you sure the problem isn't the lack of covops being destroyed?
that would drop the prices
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2006.04.15 21:44:00 -
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Originally by: Nyphur
Originally by: Dark Shikari Actually, the main problem is the supply bottleneck with the Improved Cloak IIs, in my experience (they're both used as is and are used to make COCD IIs, thus creating a massive bottleneck).
Are you sure the problem isn't the lack of covops being destroyed?
Fewer covops being destroyed = lower demand = lower prices.
I don't see prices dropping
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Nyphur
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Posted - 2006.04.15 21:49:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari
Originally by: Nyphur
Originally by: Dark Shikari Actually, the main problem is the supply bottleneck with the Improved Cloak IIs, in my experience (they're both used as is and are used to make COCD IIs, thus creating a massive bottleneck).
Are you sure the problem isn't the lack of covops being destroyed?
Fewer covops being destroyed = lower demand = lower prices.
I don't see prices dropping
Er.. right, silly me ^^; So the covop IIs need improved IIs to make? The price of improved IIs is huge right now.
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2006.04.15 21:55:00 -
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Originally by: Nyphur
So the covop IIs need improved IIs to make?
Yes.
Originally by: Nyphur The price of improved IIs is huge right now.
Which is why Covops cloaks cost so much
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Danton Marcellus
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Posted - 2006.04.15 22:03:00 -
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Using one tech II module to make another tech II module is fubar, fix it.
Remind me about The Maze.
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Tasuric Orka
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Posted - 2006.04.15 22:04:00 -
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It pretty much sucks, unlike other modules, as far as i know, the T2 cloak is FAR superior to the T1. I was hoping to become a covops pilot, but these prices are insane, and have caused me to reconsider for the time being.
I dont know why CCP doesnt at least nerfs monopolies by making agents give out bpc's regularly. I dont know about reverse engineering, and if it will work for this sort of thing, but i really hope so. ________________________________________________ Hypocritical. |
Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2006.04.15 22:07:00 -
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Originally by: Tasuric Orka It pretty much sucks, unlike other modules, as far as i know, the T2 cloak is FAR superior to the T1. I was hoping to become a covops pilot, but these prices are insane, and have caused me to reconsider for the time being.
I dont know why CCP doesnt at least nerfs monopolies by making agents give out bpc's regularly. I dont know about reverse engineering, and if it will work for this sort of thing, but i really hope so.
Its not really a monopoly, I don't think.
Lets say improved cloaks build at a rate of 7 a day. Lets say there's 20 BPOs, so a total of 140 a day.
110 a day are probably used to build covops cloaks.
That leaves 30 a day to put on market. They're of course bought very quickly, as 30 a day of any module is very little.
This drives up the price of improved cloaks. But, on the other hand, the other 110 improved cloaks are still being bought to finance the covert cloak production. So the covert ops cloak BPO owners are forced to raise their prices.
Thus, the entire cloak market's pricing system runs as if only about 25% of the improved cloaks even existed, even though they are all being "used"!
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Tasuric Orka
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Posted - 2006.04.15 22:28:00 -
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I see, well, if that's the case, ccp just needs to cut the amount of improved cloaks required, or just make em require none, and balance it out by increasing mineral requirements.
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Hllaxiu
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Posted - 2006.04.15 22:29:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari Actually, the main problem is the supply bottleneck with the Improved Cloak IIs, in my experience (they're both used as is and are used to make COCD IIs, thus creating a massive bottleneck).
This is quite true. The real monopoly (From what I've heard anyways) is on the improved cloak 2s. All your covops cloaks require an improved cloak 2 so covops cloaks are going to be more expensive and tied to the price of the 2s. --- Our greatest glory is not in never failing, but in rising up every time we fail. - Emerson |
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2006.04.15 22:38:00 -
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Originally by: Tasuric Orka I see, well, if that's the case, ccp just needs to cut the amount of improved cloaks required, or just make em require none, and balance it out by increasing mineral requirements.
Better idea: Lower build time on all improved cloak II BPOs by 33%.
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Ishen Villone
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Posted - 2006.04.15 23:12:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari
Originally by: Tasuric Orka I see, well, if that's the case, ccp just needs to cut the amount of improved cloaks required, or just make em require none, and balance it out by increasing mineral requirements.
Better idea: Lower build time on all improved cloak II BPOs by 33%.
Since one person has pretty much all of the improved cloak BPOs, this would not help much.
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Slaveabuser
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Posted - 2006.04.15 23:19:00 -
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All t2 bpo owners should be listed then the community could kill them for the silly prices they charge.
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Nyphur
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Posted - 2006.04.15 23:20:00 -
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Originally by: Slaveabuser All t2 bpo owners should be listed then the community could kill them for the silly prices they charge.
Death to the aristocracy!
Purchase one and find out for yourself. Unless they sell with alts. Which I bet they do...
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Slaveabuser
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Posted - 2006.04.15 23:22:00 -
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Originally by: Nyphur Which I bet they do...
Do you really have to bet?
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Lisento Slaven
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Posted - 2006.04.15 23:25:00 -
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Originally by: Ishen Villone
Originally by: Dark Shikari
Originally by: Tasuric Orka I see, well, if that's the case, ccp just needs to cut the amount of improved cloaks required, or just make em require none, and balance it out by increasing mineral requirements.
Better idea: Lower build time on all improved cloak II BPOs by 33%.
Since one person has pretty much all of the improved cloak BPOs, this would not help much.
True...as long as one person really does own all of the BPO's to the IC 2's. If multiple people own them then the supply will be increased and prices will drop a tad.
Best idea would be to introduce more BP's (BPC or BPO) to the market so that more people can compete in it.
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Khatred
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Posted - 2006.04.15 23:29:00 -
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Edited by: Khatred on 15/04/2006 23:29:56
Originally by: Slaveabuser All t2 bpo owners should be listed then the community could kill them for the silly prices they charge.
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Nyphur
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Posted - 2006.04.15 23:30:00 -
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Originally by: Slaveabuser
Originally by: Nyphur Which I bet they do...
Do you really have to bet?
Well I might make some money.
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2006.04.15 23:31:00 -
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Originally by: Nyphur
Originally by: Slaveabuser All t2 bpo owners should be listed then the community could kill them for the silly prices they charge.
Death to the aristocracy!
Purchase one and find out for yourself. Unless they sell with alts. Which I bet they do...
No I don't.
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2006.04.15 23:44:00 -
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Originally by: Tasuric Orka You are the bpo hoarder!?
No, I only own two T2 BPOs atm. Wish I was
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