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munkythegimp Nakrar
Unity Member Corp Limited
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Posted - 2014.02.23 12:24:00 -
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So ive been wondering if your numbers match the enemy's what is the best way to counter a light missile talwar fit ? ive read some of the other forums which suggest rail fit ships but I was wondering what else would be ideal for taking them out. thanks a lot |
Machiavelli's Nemesis
Angry Mustellid
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Posted - 2014.02.23 12:49:00 -
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Depending on numbers and situation RLML caracals can do the trick, if not rail moas or feroxes work just fine. |
Andre Vauban
Quantum Cats Syndicate Samurai Pizza Cats
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Posted - 2014.02.23 15:35:00 -
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Rail Cormorants. QCATS is recruiting:-á https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3896299 |
Liam Inkuras
Mafia Redux Phobia.
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Posted - 2014.02.23 15:54:00 -
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Rail Harpies I wear my goggles at night.
Any spelling/grammatical errors come complimentary with my typing on a phone |
X Gallentius
Justified Chaos
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Posted - 2014.02.23 17:57:00 -
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1. Use a ship that has the same or greater range but has more dps*ehp. 2. Shoot outside their range. 3. If your ship can get hit by a Talwar fleet, then it's going to die unless you're chatgris. Then you can do pretty much anything you want and not die. |
Zarnak Wulf
In Exile. Imperial Outlaws.
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Posted - 2014.02.23 18:40:00 -
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I've heard that Amarrian Vengeance used retributions to great effect. |
X Gallentius
Justified Chaos
2067
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Posted - 2014.02.23 19:06:00 -
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Zarnak Wulf wrote:I've heard that Amarrian Vengeance used retributions to great effect. Most likely because of the Amarr resists against Explosive. If the WTs had had another ammo type (thermal) it may have been a different story. |
ALUCARD 1208
Spiritus Draconis Sicarius Draconis
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Posted - 2014.02.23 20:37:00 -
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X Gallentius wrote: 3. If your ship can get hit by a Talwar fleet, then it's going to die unless you're chatgris. Then you can do pretty much anything you want and not die.
Curse those dev hacks GÖÑ HIGH FIVES GÖÑ-á |
IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome Caldari State Capturing
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Posted - 2014.02.23 20:54:00 -
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2 Talwar Fleets. If you want to get your soul to heaven, trust in me. Now don't judge or question. You are broken now, but faith can heal you. Just do everything I tell you to do. (Opiate - Tool) |
munkythegimp Nakrar
Unity Member Corp Limited
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Posted - 2014.02.23 22:30:00 -
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IbanezLaney wrote:2 Talwar Fleets. I was just telling my corp ceo that XD any more constructive suggestions ? |
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Veskrashen
Justified Chaos
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Posted - 2014.02.23 22:43:00 -
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munkythegimp Nakrar wrote:IbanezLaney wrote:2 Talwar Fleets. I was just telling my corp ceo that XD any more constructive suggestions ?
1. Damps. 2. Moar Damps. 3. Faster boats with equal / greater range. 4. Boats with longer range and instant damage application. |
Sean Parisi
Fugutive Task Force A T O N E M E N T
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Posted - 2014.02.23 23:50:00 -
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Andre Vauban wrote:Rail Cormorants.
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IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome Caldari State Capturing
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Posted - 2014.02.24 00:46:00 -
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munkythegimp Nakrar wrote:IbanezLaney wrote:2 Talwar Fleets. I was just telling my corp ceo that XD any more constructive suggestions ?
Yeah np.
If you really wanna make sure you have a good counter - Try 3 Talwar fleets. If you want to get your soul to heaven, trust in me. Now don't judge or question. You are broken now, but faith can heal you. Just do everything I tell you to do. (Opiate - Tool) |
Jill Chastot
Oath of the Forsaken Sanguis Ignis Prosperitum
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Posted - 2014.02.24 01:11:00 -
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With Cyno to bridge in a 4th just to be safe https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=298596&find=unread OATHS wants you. Come to the WH "Safety in eve is the greatest fallacy you will ever encounter. Once you accept this you will truely enjoy this game."
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munkythegimp Nakrar
Unity Member Corp Limited
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Posted - 2014.02.24 01:26:00 -
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typical eve community helpful at first then good and trollsome |
Flyinghotpocket
Amarrian Vengeance Team Amarrica
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Posted - 2014.02.24 04:59:00 -
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use vengeances and retributions. purely. and you will defeat any talwar fleet outnumbered
X Gallentius wrote:Zarnak Wulf wrote:I've heard that Amarrian Vengeance used retributions to great effect. Most likely because of the Amarr resists against Explosive. If the WTs had had another ammo type (thermal) it may have been a different story.
our enemys soon found out we all had 2 a-type explo fitted assault ships. and quickly docked in rens and got thermal missiles as your prophisized however we just refit to omni tank and still did just fine. no losses |
Gh0stBust3rs
Wraith Shadow Guards D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
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Posted - 2014.02.24 06:38:00 -
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Long story short CFC had great sucess murdering Talwar fleets with Harpy Fleets.
Engaging a talwar fleet with something cruiser sized is generally going to be suicide. (a 70 man talwar fleet can 2 shot a caracal 20k ehp @ 50km.)
Basically though any instant dps doctrine can slaughter them. Tanks are meh.
T2 Assualt ships are the go to though due to resists sig tanking and the decent buffer you can get on one. Downside being losing 2-3 assault ships generally means you lose the isk battle. |
Bad Messenger
Nasranite Watch
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Posted - 2014.02.24 10:45:00 -
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Gh0stBust3rs wrote:Long story short CFC had great sucess murdering Talwar fleets with Harpy Fleets.
Engaging a talwar fleet with something cruiser sized is generally going to be suicide. (a 70 man talwar fleet can 2 shot a caracal 20k ehp @ 50km.)
Basically though any instant dps doctrine can slaughter them. Tanks are meh.
T2 Assualt ships are the go to though due to resists sig tanking and the decent buffer you can get on one. Downside being losing 2-3 assault ships generally means you lose the isk battle.
who flies 20k ehp caracals? |
Thanatos Marathon
Black Fox Marauders
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Posted - 2014.02.24 15:31:00 -
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+1 for sniper corms.
PipeBomb BLFOX is currently recruiting |
Micky Nox
Angry Mustellid
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Posted - 2014.02.24 17:00:00 -
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If you have same numbers and ok about taking losses - rail corms or harpies. It takes time for missiles to hit target, so staying aligned and warping off once primaried may save few ships. Damps can help to mitigate some damage (think maulus).
Other option - bring talwars and be better at target calling (use 2-3 groups of missiles and hit 2-3 targets at the same time).
Options we were considering for fighting 20-50 talwars without taking significant losses - RML cerbs, rail feroxes, rail eagles, beam/pulse zealots. You will need 2-3 target painters, long range webs and 3+ t2 logistic ships.
Talwar fleet is very cost effective doctrine because you can get enough alpha even out of 5 mil meta 3 fit. So don't expect to win ISK war if you field t2 fits or t2 ships.
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Gh0stBust3rs
Wraith Shadow Guards D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
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Posted - 2014.02.25 05:16:00 -
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Bad Messenger wrote:Gh0stBust3rs wrote:Long story short CFC had great sucess murdering Talwar fleets with Harpy Fleets.
Engaging a talwar fleet with something cruiser sized is generally going to be suicide. (a 70 man talwar fleet can 2 shot a caracal 20k ehp @ 50km.)
Basically though any instant dps doctrine can slaughter them. Tanks are meh.
T2 Assualt ships are the go to though due to resists sig tanking and the decent buffer you can get on one. Downside being losing 2-3 assault ships generally means you lose the isk battle. who flies 20k ehp caracals?
The CFC did for a while. effective is more like 50k but we all know how that actually plays out.
https://zkillboard.com/detail/31199443/ |
March rabbit
Federal Defense Union
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Posted - 2014.02.25 07:52:00 -
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munkythegimp Nakrar wrote:IbanezLaney wrote:2 Talwar Fleets. I was just telling my corp ceo that XD any more constructive suggestions ? 3 talwar fleets? The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
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Luwc
Easy Co. Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2014.02.25 13:15:00 -
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munkythegimp Nakrar wrote:So ive been wondering if your numbers match the enemy's what is the best way to counter a light missile talwar fit ? ive read some of the other forums which suggest rail fit ships but I was wondering what else would be ideal for taking them out. thanks a lot
Omens, Mallers , Rail fit Harpies and Cormorants. Algoses usualy do the deal.
Zealots / Legions / Munnins
Talwarfleet is a pretty bad doctrine. |
praying mantis01
Biohazard. WINMATAR.
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Posted - 2014.02.25 21:32:00 -
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Luwc wrote:munkythegimp Nakrar wrote:So ive been wondering if your numbers match the enemy's what is the best way to counter a light missile talwar fit ? ive read some of the other forums which suggest rail fit ships but I was wondering what else would be ideal for taking them out. thanks a lot Omens, Mallers , Rail fit Harpies and Cormorants. Algoses usualy do the deal. Zealots / Legions / Munnins Talwarfleet is a pretty bad doctrine.
Omens mallers algoses firstly are horrible counters lol you would need to go beam fit on omens and mallers thus reducing tank thus a talwar fleet wiping the floor with them. Algos is not a long range ship.
Zealots may do it however munnins would get insta popped by a talwar fleet if shield fit and an armor fit would find it difficult to fit arties so you conclusion that talwars are a bad doctrine means you haven't seen them being done right or have no clue what you are talking about whatsoever.
Comorants would still lose to a same size talwar fleet imo and rail harpies cost 4x as much and would most likely lose the isk war it a flat out brawl. |
Maximus Decimal
Biohazard. WINMATAR.
58
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Posted - 2014.02.27 14:30:00 -
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In conclusion. Bend the knee to the mighty meta 0 talwar. |
Tetsuo Tsukaya
Itinerant Empire
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Posted - 2014.02.28 02:51:00 -
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Flyinghotpocket wrote:use vengeances and retributions.
Pretty much this. I don't know what fit AVNG used but just screwing around in EFT, a buffer retribution with two True Sansha Explo Platings, 200mm Steel Plates II and two T1 trimark rigs has 49K EHP against explosive, and will be taking way less damage anyway due to sig radius bonus while MWDing. |
Stalking Mantis
Amarrian Vengeance Team Amarrica
475
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Posted - 2014.02.28 02:59:00 -
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Flyinghotpocket wrote:use vengeances and retributions. purely. and you will defeat any talwar fleet outnumbered X Gallentius wrote:Zarnak Wulf wrote:I've heard that Amarrian Vengeance used retributions to great effect. Most likely because of the Amarr resists against Explosive. If the WTs had had another ammo type (thermal) it may have been a different story. our enemys soon found out we all had 2 a-type explo fitted assault ships. and quickly docked in rens and got thermal missiles as your prophisized however we just refit to omni tank and still did just fine. no losses
Why did you give that secret away? BAH
Well we did put on a show of some tight Amarr Assualt frigate formation flying for the Amarr during the bunker bust of Bosboger and the inevitable talwar fleet that showed up to counter it. Proud Member of 'The HotPocket' Crew. What It's Like in Militia Chat http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GzYm3ig7tak |
Stalking Mantis
Amarrian Vengeance Team Amarrica
475
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Posted - 2014.02.28 03:07:00 -
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Oh yah and some hilarious Praying Mantis quotes about how we are going to need more than three frigates to chase of his talwar blob. Proud Member of 'The HotPocket' Crew. What It's Like in Militia Chat http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GzYm3ig7tak |
Flyinghotpocket
Amarrian Vengeance Team Amarrica
290
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Posted - 2014.02.28 03:37:00 -
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Tetsuo Tsukaya wrote:Flyinghotpocket wrote:use vengeances and retributions. Pretty much this. I don't know what fit AVNG used but just screwing around in EFT, a buffer retribution with two True Sansha Explo Platings, 200mm Steel Plates II and two T1 trimark rigs has 49K EHP against explosive, and will be taking way less damage anyway due to sig radius bonus while MWDing. :) hey buddy since we dont use this doctrine anymore. i thought id give you all a screen shot of what we did use. mostly because our enemys would only use nova missiles. so we developed this http://i.imgur.com/UDRLqdu.jpg
after they discovered we had completely res'ed up explosive, they quickly got some thermal missiles. and we had to quickly step up again to eft, and come up with a solid setup.
suffice to say its omni tanked, and its only retributions and vengeances now. will probably release this information sometime soon, as we like people to come up with excellent counter to us. |
Tetsuo Tsukaya
Itinerant Empire
297
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Posted - 2014.02.28 03:46:00 -
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lol that's amazing, thank you for sharing that |
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