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Vicious Phoenix
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Posted - 2006.08.15 08:17:00 -
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Edited by: Vicious Phoenix on 15/08/2006 08:20:17 Command ship wins every time unless the BS has a lot of nos. (Think nos domi or nos phoon) 140% dmage of a vaga + couple thousand DPS tank = uber against non-nos***** BS (Thinking Sleip in this example)
Edit: I now remember an encounter I had on the test server, so take it with a grain of salt. 5 reasonably experienced (full t2) BS pilots were pounding on a Damnation for a looong time and we couldn't break its tank worth crap. (This was a while ago, and I believe the Damnation was faction fitted) Also, none of us were using nos.
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InnerDrive
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Posted - 2006.08.15 08:34:00 -
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Tbh i think command ships useless crap for everyday pvp, u can buy 2 bs for the price of one and bs are better..
Take a blasterT, blasterT has 5 T2 heavy drones, it can fit HEAVY NOS and it can fit blasters...
Why on earth woud anyone ever wanna fly a astarte is beyond me besides that a astarte is a lil better at killing frigs than blasterTs.
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Pottsey
Gallente Dissonance Corp Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.08.15 10:01:00 -
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"Right well then like I suggested, perhaps Minmatar do not have enough mid slots in general to produce a good passive shield tanker." Its got more then enough mid slots and should be able to tank over 600dps without gang skills or implants on EM and Kinetic. Perhaps more if you tweak the setup. I just dumped a bunch of modules on in 2 mins with quick fit. Passive tanks donÆt need many midslots as the low slots are just as good as mid slots.
So I stand by what I said befor 1v1 Active or Passive and the command ship can stand up to a battleship.
Passive shield tanking guide, click here. |
Denrace
Amarr STK Scientific Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.08.15 10:48:00 -
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Originally by: LUKEC
IF bs pilot has skills, IF he has good setup (t2 only) and IF he knows how to fly ship... then command ship don't have any chance.
QFT.
Theres no way in hell a decent close-range Commandship pilot can take a decent close-range BS pilot (ignoring jammers).
Its the tanks...commandships cap wont last anywhere near as long as a Battleships cap.
And an Absolution (for example) cant tank *that* well..it needs a dual rep setup to at least have any chance of surviving and even then its cap dies horribly unless it fits an injector, and you dont have much cargo for 800 charges.
The only way a Command Ship would beat a BS is if it was a ship weak to its damagetype, like Amarr .vs. Minmatar etc.
Den ________________________________________
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LUKEC
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.08.15 11:29:00 -
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Originally by: Denrace
Originally by: LUKEC
IF bs pilot has skills, IF he has good setup (t2 only) and IF he knows how to fly ship... then command ship don't have any chance.
QFT.
Theres no way in hell a decent close-range Commandship pilot can take a decent close-range BS pilot (ignoring jammers).
Its the tanks...commandships cap wont last anywhere near as long as a Battleships cap.
And an Absolution (for example) cant tank *that* well..it needs a dual rep setup to at least have any chance of surviving and even then its cap dies horribly unless it fits an injector, and you dont have much cargo for 800 charges.
The only way a Command Ship would beat a BS is if it was a ship weak to its damagetype, like Amarr .vs. Minmatar etc.
Den
Actually there is a sleipnir setup that only vampa ships can beat. Thanks to retarded gisti mods:
7x 220mm t2, med nosf gist XL booster, amp, invul, injector, scram 3x gyro,2xpdu(maybe rcu here, don't remember exactly)
This monster of tank tanks something like 1000hp /4s (meaning he can tank like 600 dps kinetic damage/900 from standard blasterthron with ogres /zerks II) while nosfed by heavy nosf for like 500s. Every other command ship performs much much worse, though. It is like 1win button vs everything apart vampadomi, or any other EW ship. Now combine this with smallest sig of CS, highest speed and actually decent range of ACs with barrage.... --------------------- Looking for frentix? Mail me. |
MysticNZ
Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2006.08.15 11:57:00 -
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Originally by: LUKEC Yes, command ship wins ... please bring faction fitted, so you will win easier.
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Pottsey
Gallente Dissonance Corp Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.08.15 16:35:00 -
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Edited by: Pottsey on 15/08/2006 16:37:16 ôIts the tanks...commandships cap wont last anywhere near as long as a Battleships cap.ö Command ships can tank over 1000dps without cap problems. I run 2 amour repairers none stop with high resistance on my Eos and thatÆs with my 3 gang assist which wouldnÆt be on in a 1v1 match freeing up more cap. 2 amour repairers with a 37.5% boost amount is not something a battleship is going break.
Not only can a Command ship tank a battleship with ease the command ship does not run out of cap unless hit by Nos. But as your not running gang assist you should have enough spare cap to counter act the Nos if not add your own Nos.
Well I cannot speak for all command ships but my Eos doesnÆt have cap problems when fitted with an active tank. I run a T2 amour repairer, TS amour repairer that useÆs up more cap then a T2 and 3 gang assist with a tractor beam.
If I was in a 1v1 match against a battleship I would swap the TS for a T2 and scarp the tractor beam and gang assist freeing up enough cap to last against Nos perhaps with my own Nos as well.
Passive shield tanking guide, click here. |
000Hunter000
Gallente Dummy Inc.
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Posted - 2006.08.15 17:37:00 -
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it also depends a lot on the damage type people are using.
For the rest it's usually the same deal as every other ship, wrong setup at the wrong time = dead ship in a 1 vs 1 Banner will be updated shortly |
Rehmes
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Posted - 2006.08.16 06:01:00 -
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can someone post a good set up for a sleip?
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DB Preacher
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.08.16 08:33:00 -
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I killed a punisher in my Vulture last night.
I had to get help to finish it off
I'm not sure the vulture could kill a BS, the natural shield regen would tank my dmg.
dbp
Caldari Alliance PVP Championship Winner Current RKK Ranking: (PSCAL6) Proficient Short Tanto
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