But A and B did not play against each other, and did not have the same objective of winning.

A played to win the game, to get to the end the fastest and first with all the tools at his disposal.

B played to get to the end without being disturbed. B wanted a time trial game, but joined a VS game anyway. He was playing against the clock not player A, and his objections to A using a red shell were not based in game mechanics, game purpose, or what most people consider reasonable actions for Mario Kart.

But B still considers A an ******* for playing within the bounds and purpose of the game to achieve his goals.


Just because you consider the people ganking you, scamming you, or wardeccing you in game or on the forums does not mean that any of those actions are not explicitly layed out as acceptable by the terms of the game, by the creators of the game, by the advertising for the game, and by the expectations and understandings of the gaming community.

A ganker is no more a bad person for ganking a hauler carrying 10 bil in an itty than player A is for firing a red shell at player B, because they are both actions understood by all to be a part of the game and a consequence of a certain playstyle, action, or simply deciding to log on or grab a controller.

Change your mario kart game to another sandbox. No offense to you, maybe you hooked into the word banana I used earlier and decided to run with it, but comparing mario kart and eve is ignorant.

Your analogy is ignorant.

Bro, I started the Mario Kart analogy in this thread.

And calling it ignorant changes nothing.


Why do other people playing a game within the boundaries, purpose, and guidelines of an intentionally dark and bitter game make them a terrible person for inflicting dark and bitter actions upon your person while you do your best to avoid it?

It wasn't a valid analogy. Considering you're easily impressed, find something in your belly button and consider it your prize. I'm sure that'll keep you busy, chances are you'll even have the choice to eat it.

Because you know, eve is all about choices.

Because the dark and bitter game play aspect is only a choice. You don't have to subject others to it. I'm not even saying the choice should be removed, the choice makes your "dark and bitter" game choices make mine look that much better. It makes you a terrible person because you don't have to do it. You're choosing to make it happen.

You are making the choice.

Because the dark and bitter game play aspect is only a choice. You don't have to subject others to it. I'm not even saying the choice should be removed, the choice makes your "dark and bitter" game choices make mine look that much better. It makes you a terrible person because you don't have to do it. You're choosing to make it happen.

You are making the choice.

I've only interacted with people in ways that have taken nothing from others who didn't wish to have something of theirs taken. I've never imposed my desires and wants on someone who wasn't looking to receive them directly.

Both are valid options in the EVE sandbox, a game based on personal choice.

Now the miner, his goal has no direct impact on anyone other than maybe forcing other competing miners to move to other belts faster. It doesn't detract anything other than a bit more attention and a miniscule, neglible amount of time.

The ganker, his goal has a direct impact on others, drastically impeding their progress for an indirect proportion of reward vs the other person's loss.

You can label me with whatever traits you wish me to have.

Ultimately, I do not care what it is you think of me. If I did, I would be parroting your statements hoping to gain your favor.

My statement still stands though, regardless of the amount of excrement you've attempted throw on it.

That if you're a person who's objective is to inflict misery and suffering on others for your personal gain, you are lesser human being, an animal unworthy of this gift of consciousness and human intelligence.

You're the ones who can't handle judgement.

You care enough to argue repeatedly and in circles, that's for sure.

That if you're a person who's objective is to inflict misery and suffering on others for your personal gain, you are lesser human being, an animal unworthy of this gift of consciousness and human intelligence.

To a prey animal, a predator must be evil.

To a prey animal, a predator must be evil.

I disagree. Bears are predators. I don't think salmon see them as evil. In fact, the only thing salmon think is, "Holy ****! I'm a fish!!!"

You should stop trading and mining then unless you want to be tarred by the same brush.

Sounds ridiculous?

So does the assertion that enjoying the space combat aspect of EVE PvP makes somebody ... how do you phrase it ... "a lesser human being, an animal worthy of this blah blah".

You lost a ship. Get over it.

Is this a statement comparing in game to out of game?

According to you, you're not allowed to do that. Just like I can't say that you're a despicable person unworthy of respect because you choose to steal from people who do not wish to be stolen from, you can't argue anything related to out of game.

No.

It's a statement qualifying you as a prey animal. In order for you to justify your own cowering existence, you have to believe that the predator is "evil". Because if the predator is in fact not evil, then it puts the lie to who you are and how you live.

You're wasting your time. He doesn't get it. He never will.

... to wish to attempt to upset me, because I've definitely rattled your sense of self into motivating you to take action.

Though I may judge you as pathetically broken to wish to attempt to upset me, because I've definitely rattled your sense of self into motivating you to take action.

I don't think anyone has a wish to upset you, it's more likely that Remiel has provided way more motivation to kill and pod you than anything you've done.

Actually I'm surprised that with your complaints of poor ISK/hr for new players, that you haven't seen the obvious cash cow staring you right in the face.

With a 500 million ISK offer for your corpse, surely the fastest way to generate the ISK you so desire would be through an alt; and then you can just join the ranks of the despicable, low-life, morally corrupt people that you claim everyone else is.

And that's another thing you're missing.

If I were to come after (I'll bump you with my Badger ... let's see how that goes for me ... ) it wouldn't be to upset you.

It would be because, in the context of a game filled with pirates and bounty hunters causing somebody to lose ISK, no matter how negligible it makes sense. To fill the void of space with the vented gasses of a pod, to know that you can claim a kill of another loud mouthed braggart that swaggered through Jita, broadcasting his superiority over all and knowing that you brought the arrogant prick low.

Having his frozen corpse in your hangar is just a bonus.

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But I do not wish to take advantage of someone who is emotionally afflicted.

Ultimately I would feel like less of a person for preying upon someone's vulnerabilities, when we're suppose to be helping each other have as much enjoyment as possible.

You know, as long as that enjoyment doesn't come at the expense of others.

It's a game. Stop taking all of this so seriously. If you can't handle some pixels illustrating spaceships shooting you and others in a fantasy environment, please do step away from the computer.

I am aware of this. At present it pleases me to confront him with his personal failings.

I can handle ships exploding. I can handle imaginary isk evaporating.

None of it is real anyways.

The only thing real about EVE is you and I. so, considering the only aspect of EVE that is real, why would the reality of human interaction be the facet you choose to ignore most?