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haga daga
Deadspace Remnants
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Posted - 2014.02.24 13:39:00 -
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Soooooooooooooo, I'm sure this question has been posed before my dears so please don't abuse me for it.
If i throw up a small POS in lowsec, with ECM, research bays and only the most basic stuff (don't think i will use any storage) at a crap moon, will someone still come along and waste it just because it's there?
I figure i don't need anything big or expensive i just need a lot of research slots ~now~ So assuming all blueprints are kept at the local station... Do you think someone would be dull enough to POS bash something that will give them no ISK yield? |
Batelle
HOMELE55
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Posted - 2014.02.24 14:26:00 -
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haga daga wrote:If i throw up a small POS in lowsec, with ECM, research bays and only the most basic stuff (don't think i will use any storage) at a crap moon, will someone still come along and waste it just because it's there?
Maybe. The whole setup with a month of fuel should only be a few hundred mil. Are you willing to risk that? "CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"
Never forget. |
haga daga
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Posted - 2014.02.24 15:23:00 -
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Batelle wrote:
Maybe. The whole setup with a month of fuel should only be a few hundred mil. Are you willing to risk that?
Yeah, It will be worth a fraction of the cost of blueprints. I fly more expensive ships with the plan on losing them so maybe i should just stop being so concerned lol. |
Electrified Circuits
Silver Unicorn Inc.
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Posted - 2014.02.24 16:28:00 -
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I've had my pos in lowsec for quite sometime and it hasnt been attacked. However high sec POS has so that says something. Just find a quiet system, check local traffic etc that is not too far from high sec(mines only 2 jumps out) Ive had quite a few kills from my POS too and expensive ones so its good to pad your KB too lol. Just passers by, its really good for research and i even do manufacturing there now but try and keep that to a minimum, use cloaker haulers, shuttles (leopard) etc to move things.
The only thing that is a pain is fueling it as fuel takes a ton of cargo but if you have a small its not so bad at all! mines a large. Have fun with your research |
haga daga
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Posted - 2014.02.24 17:13:00 -
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Cheers guys.
Yeah, im used to running a large in wormhole space, but there you have fleets to protect etc. Not high enough traffic blah blah. There are hardly any moons in the system im going to use surprisingly even though there is about 8 planets. Could be a bit high traffic is my only concern.
I'm totally not going to take blueprints into WH though. |
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
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Posted - 2014.02.24 18:12:00 -
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Round1: Corpmate anchored two POS in a empty lowsec system. Within 24 hours the towers were reinforced and subsequently destroyed.
Round 2: Corpmate contacted the locals. They had one demand: the towers must not shoot at them. So we set them blue, and he anchored 10 towers. They were untouched right up to the day he decided he no longer wanted them. |
Batelle
HOMELE55
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Posted - 2014.02.24 19:20:00 -
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Tau Cabalander wrote:Round1: Corpmate anchored two POS in a empty lowsec system. Within 24 hours the towers were reinforced and subsequently destroyed.
Round 2: Corpmate contacted the locals. They had one demand: the towers must not shoot at them. So we set them blue, and he anchored 10 towers. They were untouched right up to the day he decided he no longer wanted them.
in other words, the risk is 95% dependent on where you're putting up towers and who lives there. "CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"
Never forget. |
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
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Posted - 2014.02.24 20:04:00 -
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Batelle wrote:Tau Cabalander wrote:Round1: Corpmate anchored two POS in a empty lowsec system. Within 24 hours the towers were reinforced and subsequently destroyed.
Round 2: Corpmate contacted the locals. They had one demand: the towers must not shoot at them. So we set them blue, and he anchored 10 towers. They were untouched right up to the day he decided he no longer wanted them. in other words, the risk is 95% dependent on where you're putting up towers and who lives there. True, but not quite my point: talk to the locals!
Also in my corpmate's case, he was producing carbides, which are common enough for moon resources to not be worth fighting over. |
Batelle
HOMELE55
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Posted - 2014.02.24 20:04:00 -
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Tau Cabalander wrote:Batelle wrote:Tau Cabalander wrote:Round1: Corpmate anchored two POS in a empty lowsec system. Within 24 hours the towers were reinforced and subsequently destroyed.
Round 2: Corpmate contacted the locals. They had one demand: the towers must not shoot at them. So we set them blue, and he anchored 10 towers. They were untouched right up to the day he decided he no longer wanted them. in other words, the risk is 95% dependent on where you're putting up towers and who lives there. True, but not quite my point: talk to the locals!
Yeah that too. They'll be so flattered someone asked for permission that they'll forget to come up with any actual demand! "CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"
Never forget. |
Soldarius
Deadman W0nderland Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2014.02.24 20:06:00 -
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That one example of requiring that the POSes not shoot at them was odd. Make sure you're not dropping a POS on a valuable moon and odds are no one will mess with it. Always keep stront in the stront bay. Free Ripley Weaver! |
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Ashala Arcsylver
Gypsy Rose Mining Arcsylver Mining Alliance
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Posted - 2014.02.25 09:03:00 -
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Had a small tower in low sec for less than a month when three guys came in and decided to kill every POS in system just for the kill mails.
So yeah it really is a matter of who are the current people in system and how far off the beaten path the system is that determines how likely it would be to get shot. |
Silvetica Dian
Manson Family Advent of Fate
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Posted - 2014.02.25 12:40:00 -
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Soldarius wrote:That one example of requiring that the POSes not shoot at them was odd. Make sure you're not dropping a POS on a valuable moon and odds are no one will mess with it. Always keep stront in the stront bay.
It isn't odd at all. When selecting warps outs to escape a losing fight moons are very popular amongst experienced pvpers as chasing tackle is less likely to catch you. If the moons kill your ship then this is a problem. When creating a trap where you warp somewhere hoping people will follow then a moon that doesn't shoot you but does shoot the people chasing is hugely valuable. Lots of low sec have no interest in tower maintenance but will happily clear stuff that is going to cause a long term annoyance.
Just as an example. If you have a heavily armed moon that will shoot everyone but you and you then anchor a large bubble in line with the gate. You can then sit at a load up to the gate and warp to a load up on the bubble when a small fleet enters. If they chase you can then murder them with the help of the tower. People in eve have motives for their behaviour and finding out what these motives are can lead to outcomes that benefit you and them. Almost everyone in eve loathes tower shoots so people "killing them just for the killmail" is i suggest unlikely. Most likely people see a dead tower and no new tower and just guessed at the motive instead of asking. Asking may not lead to a truthful answer however as the motive not be one that the people in question wish to share. Money at its root is a form of rationing. When the richest 85 people have as much wealth as the poorest 3.5 billion (50% of humanity) it is clear where the source of poverty is. http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jan/20/trickle-down-economics-broken-promise-richest-85 |
haga daga
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Posted - 2014.02.25 12:49:00 -
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Cheers for the input. I think the locals are mostly care bears.. in fact i can't believe how many valuable targets i've seen so far (unguarded freighter for instance). But i also know there is a reasonable amount of dreads in system..
The debate is knowing i have a weak POS in system do i screw with the ignorant indy chars just because i could steal their resources and get beautiful killmails :P |
Katherine Raven
ALTA Industries Intergalactic Conservation Movement
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Posted - 2014.02.25 19:15:00 -
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When we were evacing null sec a long(ish) time ago, we set up a low sec POS to jump our rorqual to. The tower came under attack shortly after and they demanded a ransom for us to keep it. We politely told them we were not going to pay any ransom and they could kill the tower if they really wanted.
Turned out they though we were working for people they considered their enemies (I forget who) and when they found out we were leaving nullsec and had no interest in them, they apologized for attacking our tower and offered to pay for the damage they had done. We declined, but thanked them for their generosity. They actually ended up providing gate scouts for us to evac our assets. We were extremely surprised when not a single one of our transports came under attack.
As someone (I'm too lazy to check who) mentioned above, it's all about motivation. If you can determine their true motivation then their actions will make sense.
A corp who doesn't care if you take all the moons as long as they are blue to you? As mentioned, they want safe places to warp to.
A corp who comes in and burns a whole system just for killmails? Probably trying to build a reputation so they can sell their services to interested parties. That or they intend on putting up their own towers. |
Batelle
HOMELE55
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Posted - 2014.02.26 14:55:00 -
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Silvetica Dian wrote:Almost everyone in eve loathes tower shoots so people "killing them just for the killmail" is i suggest unlikely.
Actually people use towers to pad their killboard all the time, especially nullsec alliances that kill/month minimums or are otherwise trying to pad stats for other corps in the alliance/coalition. Naturally its more popular if you're not doing it in the backyard of some hostile supercap-holding entity. I've been on several tower-killing ops with bored cap/supercap pilots. "CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"
Never forget. |
Lord Battlestar
CALIMA COLLABORATIVE Atrox Urbanis Respublique Abundatia
185
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Posted - 2014.02.26 21:17:00 -
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The only time I tried to anchor some towers in lowsec within 2 weeks they were reinforced twice (they had forgotten to come back and finish the job) and eventually destroyed. It heavily depends on the locals too, for example I made the mistake of trying to moon mine in an area where there was a Russian lowsec pirate alliance, and they wanted all of the moons for themselves (I found only two moons that didn't have a tower of theirs anchored and mining haha).
I was only using small towers so the loss wasn't huge only a few hundred mil about the price of a BS. I once podded myself by blowing a huge fart. |
haga daga
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Posted - 2014.02.27 13:58:00 -
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Confirming tower has been up several days. No aggression notifications.... Though it did shoot at one of my corp mates who bounced off the shield after running from a fight he started.... I have since changed the aggression rules lol. |
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