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Audri Fisher
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Posted - 2006.04.17 07:06:00 -
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I would settle for a cormorat with another mid or low, (but not both) and removal of the rof penalty. no crazy resist, nothing crazily overpowered, although the flycatchers speed would be nice, and maybe a bonus to reduced sig sized to take it down to say 50 at level 5 would be iceing on the cake. Please? interdictors are fine and good, but I was hoping for a true Balsa wood and spit gunboat.
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MuffinsRevenger
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Posted - 2006.04.17 08:20:00 -
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removing the ROF penalty woud make it overpowerd me thinks :/
Go fly a crusier with frig weapons if you want a cheep disposable and wery painfull anti frig platform
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4 LOM
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Posted - 2006.04.17 08:41:00 -
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Originally by: Audri Fisher I would settle for a cormorat with another mid or low, (but not both) and removal of the rof penalty. no crazy resist, nothing crazily overpowered, although the flycatchers speed would be nice, and maybe a bonus to reduced sig sized to take it down to say 50 at level 5 would be iceing on the cake. Please? interdictors are fine and good, but I was hoping for a true Balsa wood and spit gunboat.
whats wrong with the flycatcher? seems to still be able to fit the destroyer role well. its a great ship. if you dont have missiles skills thats unfortunate but no reason for ccp to make you a new ship. i would imagine any new tech 2 destroyers realeased to be gun boats or ew platforms. but for now you are stuck with the really nice flycatcher.
Originally by: Twilight Moon of course you have nice hair. That pod goo, is actually VO5 conditioner.
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Audri Fisher
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Posted - 2006.04.17 23:36:00 -
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Originally by: 4 LOM
Originally by: Audri Fisher I would settle for a cormorat with another mid or low, (but not both) and removal of the rof penalty. no crazy resist, nothing crazily overpowered, although the flycatchers speed would be nice, and maybe a bonus to reduced sig sized to take it down to say 50 at level 5 would be iceing on the cake. Please? interdictors are fine and good, but I was hoping for a true Balsa wood and spit gunboat.
whats wrong with the flycatcher? seems to still be able to fit the destroyer role well. split weapons platform its a great ship. destroyers are frigate killers. tech II destroyers should be able to maul tech II frigs. even with max missle skills you are going to be very hardpressed to hit a crow going 7km/s +. you can do it with a cormorat though, although you can't keep it in range long enough for a kill.if you dont have missiles skills thats unfortunate but no reason for ccp to make you a new ship. i would imagine any new tech 2 destroyers realeased to be gun boats or ew platforms. but for now you are stuck with the really nice flycatcher, that can outrun my own rockets with a faction MWD and or a tech II MWD and a set of snake implants
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Audri Fisher
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Posted - 2006.04.17 23:41:00 -
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Originally by: MuffinsRevenger removing the ROF penalty woud make it overpowerd me thinks :/
Go fly a crusier with frig weapons if you want a cheep disposable and wery painfull anti frig platform
I don't consider tech II ships to be disposable, I wish I had that isk. No cruiser has 7 turret harpoints, or get's bonuses to small turret's. Very crucial if you are trying to hit orbiting frigs out of web range while being tracking disrupted.
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Grimpak
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Posted - 2006.04.17 23:48:00 -
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Originally by: Audri Fisher
Originally by: 4 LOM
Originally by: Audri Fisher I would settle for a cormorat with another mid or low, (but not both) and removal of the rof penalty. no crazy resist, nothing crazily overpowered, although the flycatchers speed would be nice, and maybe a bonus to reduced sig sized to take it down to say 50 at level 5 would be iceing on the cake. Please? interdictors are fine and good, but I was hoping for a true Balsa wood and spit gunboat.
whats wrong with the flycatcher? seems to still be able to fit the destroyer role well. split weapons platform its a great ship. destroyers are frigate killers. tech II destroyers should be able to maul tech II frigs. even with max missle skills you are going to be very hardpressed to hit a crow going 7km/s +. you can do it with a cormorat though, although you can't keep it in range long enough for a kill.if you dont have missiles skills thats unfortunate but no reason for ccp to make you a new ship. i would imagine any new tech 2 destroyers realeased to be gun boats or ew platforms. but for now you are stuck with the really nice flycatcher, that can outrun my own rockets with a faction MWD and or a tech II MWD and a set of snake implants
Without counting with the cheat-mode mods (faction and/or snake implants), a flycatcher rigged with precision lights (!!!) can hit any frig for full damage, as long as they don't go faster than 4km/s. More than that and they will hit for less damage up to 7km/s. (this is with my skills)
...the damn thing is still paperthin tho ----------------
Originally by: Abdalion Shoot him ingame if you don't like this person. If you do like him, go mine veldspar with him.
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Litus Arowar
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Posted - 2006.04.18 02:46:00 -
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I was kinda hoping for an overgrown retribution... good tank, no midslots, good weapons... by no midslots I mean 1 or whatever, but the point is, prevent them from having EW capabilities and they should fall in line fairly well...
currently interdictors are of great use to fleets but they're not tech 2 destroyers, they're closer to tech 3 inties in my opinion
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Audri Fisher
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Posted - 2006.04.18 05:12:00 -
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I think it is a lost cause to try and tank a dessy, but I see your point. a launcher, 7 75 mm tech II's 3 tracking comps, a micro shield extender tech II, and a damage control mod means that lone intercepters simply can't kill you. your optimal with lead is 22km, and your tracking is so insane that it takes so many tracking disrupters to cool your jets that he can't scramble you for long enough to kill you.
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Malthros Zenobia
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Posted - 2006.04.18 05:23:00 -
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Originally by: MuffinsRevenger removing the ROF penalty woud make it overpowerd me thinks :/
Go fly a crusier with frig weapons if you want a cheep disposable and wery painfull anti frig platform
Or a Caracal with assaults or precision heavies.
Originally by: Dark Shikari Istvaan Shogaatsu's ego, when combined with a veldspar asteroid, would create 500 titans. Too bad he's never mined.
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4 LOM
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Posted - 2006.04.18 06:22:00 -
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Edited by: 4 LOM on 18/04/2006 06:24:36 Edited by: 4 LOM on 18/04/2006 06:24:10 Edited by: 4 LOM on 18/04/2006 06:23:48
Originally by: Audri Fisher
Originally by: 4 LOM
Originally by: Audri Fisher I would settle for a cormorat with another mid or low, (but not both) and removal of the rof penalty. no crazy resist, nothing crazily overpowered, although the flycatchers speed would be nice, and maybe a bonus to reduced sig sized to take it down to say 50 at level 5 would be iceing on the cake. Please? interdictors are fine and good, but I was hoping for a true Balsa wood and spit gunboat.
whats wrong with the flycatcher? seems to still be able to fit the destroyer role well. split weapons platform its a great ship. destroyers are frigate killers. tech II destroyers should be able to maul tech II frigs. even with max missle skills you are going to be very hardpressed to hit a crow going 7km/s +. you can do it with a cormorat though, although you can't keep it in range long enough for a kill.if you dont have missiles skills thats unfortunate but no reason for ccp to make you a new ship. i would imagine any new tech 2 destroyers realeased to be gun boats or ew platforms. but for now you are stuck with the really nice flycatcher, that can outrun my own rockets with a faction MWD and or a tech II MWD and a set of snake implants
DONT EDIT SOMEONES POST AND LEAVE IT AS A QUOTE YOU IDIOT. If you want to quote me fine but dont edit my post like that. Do you have any idea how to quote someone?
Nothing more anoying then an idiot. Until you learn how to properly quote dont quote me.
Oh this ****es me off. anyone reading his qoute of me all the bold stuff is **** he put in and not my opinion.
after reading it over he hadded more then just the bold stuff her is my orignal post
Originally by: 4 LOM whats wrong with the flycatcher? seems to still be able to fit the destroyer role well. its a great ship. if you dont have missiles skills thats unfortunate but no reason for ccp to make you a new ship. i would imagine any new tech 2 destroyers realeased to be gun boats or ew platforms. but for now you are stuck with the really nice flycatcher.
Originally by: Twilight Moon of course you have nice hair. That pod goo, is actually VO5 conditioner.
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Phelan Boots
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Posted - 2006.04.18 06:42:00 -
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Originally by: MuffinsRevenger removing the ROF penalty woud make it overpowerd me thinks :/
Go fly a crusier with frig weapons if you want a cheep disposable and wery painfull anti frig platform
I guess the other "in-between" class (Battlecruisers) should get a ROF penalty aswell. That way they're not over powered...oh wait...those aren't over powered. Why would a destroyer be?
Cruisers are to slow to actively hunt frigates. They can protect a fleet or get lucky and land next to a frig in a belt, but they can't hunt em.
A better compromise might be another ship bonus that decreases the ROF penalty by 5% for each level of destroyer. By the time you have Destroyer 5 there is no ROF penalty.
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Ithildin
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Posted - 2006.04.18 08:07:00 -
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Originally by: Audri Fisher I would settle for a cormorat with another mid or low, (but not both) and removal of the rof penalty. no crazy resist, nothing crazily overpowered, although the flycatchers speed would be nice, and maybe a bonus to reduced sig sized to take it down to say 50 at level 5 would be iceing on the cake. Please? interdictors are fine and good, but I was hoping for a true Balsa wood and spit gunboat.
I think the devs took a look at the different T2 destroyer design suggestions and said "we've already got a T2 frigate killer... no wait, we've got 3 of them." (Interceptor, Stealth Bomber, and Assault Frigate. The latter being the one ACTUALLY intended for the frig/inty killer role.)
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Lucian Corvinus
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Posted - 2006.04.18 09:19:00 -
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Originally by: Ithildin I think the devs took a look at the different T2 destroyer design suggestions and said "we've already got a T2 frigate killer... no wait, we've got 3 of them." (Interceptor, Stealth Bomber, and Assault Frigate. The latter being the one ACTUALLY intended for the frig/inty killer role.)
Don't forget the wonderful nighthawk.. this boat is also a frig killer, eventhough it does a poor job
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Waxau
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Posted - 2006.04.18 11:04:00 -
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Interdictor are just an expensive toy for anyone who doesnt use them properly in 0.0 space. If someone flies one around NPCing in empire, they deserve to be shot. For this reason i agree that there should be a new lot of t2 destoyers. We have support cruisers, heavy cruisers, and recon cruisers. We at the moment have only support destroyers. Im not saying we make them similar to the cruiser line up, but there should be something a bit more for those who in shot hate ceptors etc.
Oh and lom. Try not insulting people for the hell of it. You know what i hate more than an idiot? An idiot moaning about an idiot. Grow up for heavens sake.
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Waxau
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Posted - 2006.04.18 11:06:00 -
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Edited by: Waxau on 18/04/2006 11:06:06
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DONT EDIT SOMEONES POST AND LEAVE IT AS A QUOTE YOU IDIOT. If you want to quote me fine but dont edit my post like that. Do you have any idea how to quote someone?
Nothing more anoying then an idiot. Until you learn how to properly quote dont quote me.
Oh this ****es me off.Just to tick you off anyone reading his qoute of me all the bold stuff is **** he put in and not my opinion.
after reading it over he hadded more then just the bold stuff her is my orignal post
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Kyozoku
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Posted - 2006.04.18 11:08:00 -
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I don;t get why they didn't make 2 interdicotrs for each race.
The second one could be more combat orientated.
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Centurin
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Posted - 2006.04.18 13:59:00 -
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The reason you don't have T2 destroyers is because even CCP acknowledges that they suck.
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Slink Grinsdikild
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Posted - 2006.04.18 14:13:00 -
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Destroyers are all about gank fittings, even if there was a T2 destroyer it would have paper armor and a big signature radius. There really isn't anything you can add to the Destroyer without gimping AFs. They're already getting their tracking boosted to 10% per skill level next patch, Thrasher will then outperform the Wolf in volley damage for one tenth the cost.
The current batch of T1 Destroyers are already awesome in a frigate ganking role, you just need good skills and a proper fitting to get the most out of them.
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Audri Fisher
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Posted - 2006.04.18 23:01:00 -
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Edited by: Audri Fisher on 18/04/2006 23:02:54
Originally by: Slink Grinsdikild Destroyers are all about gank fittings, even if there was a T2 destroyer it would have paper armor and a big signature radius. There really isn't anything you can add to the Destroyer without gimping AFs. They're already getting their tracking boosted to 10% per skill level next patch, Thrasher will then outperform the Wolf in volley damage for one tenth the cost.
The current batch of T1 Destroyers are already awesome in a frigate ganking role, you just need good skills and a proper fitting to get the most out of them.
The fitting is to tight for an all out gank. You can't fit 7 150 mm tech 2's and have 5 PG left over for gank mods to fill the rest of the slots. it would be one thing ifyou needed a MAPC to fit some sort of shield tank on it, but we are talking about stuff like sensor boosters and tracking comps.
Whoever uses a Stealth bomber to hunt frigs with has a lot more sack than I do. I gotta corpmate wo loves manitcores, and he won't touch a frig because the can warp out before he hits, and he belives that a min 42 mil setup that hasn't even looked at faction mods on a hull as fragile as a SB has no business getting withen scrambler/webber range. If you get jammed, you are dead unless they have civie rails fitted. I happen to agree.
Sorry for insulting your 4 LOM, I put in bold my responses to your post to distinguish my words from yours. Much more space effecient that quoting your entire poet, then breaking it down piece by piece afterwords.
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Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2006.04.18 23:06:00 -
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Originally by: Ithildin I think the devs took a look at the different T2 destroyer design suggestions and said "we've already got a T2 frigate killer... no wait, we've got 3 of them." (Interceptor, Stealth Bomber, and Assault Frigate. The latter being the one ACTUALLY intended for the frig/inty killer role.)
Yea.
Inty and AF have distinct roles.
Dessie cuts into fleet defence. Rebalance them as anti-cloakers? Bombers cuts into wolfpack. Rebalance them as anti-BS?
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