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Veruna Caseti
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Posted - 2003.09.18 13:31:00 -
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CCP did shove them out into the middle of nowhere with only bistot and 50k pirates to hold their interest. Trust me, that gets old fast (npc pirates can't even hit a battleship from as far out as they're capable of destroying from). And with continued moves to further lock down Empire Space while doing nothing to rectify the situation they themselves created, says what about CCP?
They don't give a damn about their customers that are simply playing the game as they described it.
While I have come to agree with you that this addition was unecessary, I think it's unfair to characterize it as deliberately negligent on the part of CCP.
You have to realize that there are a lot of people working on this project, and they don't all share a single viewpoint. Many of the developers are probably sympathetic to the current "plight" of 0.0 space - additions such as mobile refineries, player-run stations, etc. will help add a lot of spice to otherwise empty regions.
Unfortunately there are probably other developers who do not really have a good idea of the issues facing pirates and their corporations; but, their code and changes still go into patches.
I doubt they had a company wide meeting and decided "lets put some sentry guns at all the gates so pirates are screwed over even more." What's more likely is the idea was on the table or in the works for awhile, and someone happened to "finish" it and add it to the current code revision without consideration for its poor timing in relation to pirates and their current situation in the game.
My advice? Give them time. Voice your opinion without subject lines like "CAREBEARS WIN AGAIN" and CCP will take notice of the real issues facing players like you.
I think it doesn't help that you have players like Cao Cao speaking for you. His methods for letting his opinions be known are a great way to be IGNORED by the people that matter.
Veruna Caseti
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Jash Illian
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Posted - 2003.09.18 13:40:00 -
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I think it doesn't help that you have players like Cao Cao speaking for you. His methods for letting his opinions be known are a great way to be IGNORED by the people that matter.
Cao Cao is Bad Cop.
I'm "Evil Cop Who Knows How to Use a Rubber Hose" 
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
Algazara
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Posted - 2003.09.18 15:32:00 -
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CAREBEARS WEEEEEEEEEEEE LETS ALL HAVE A GROUPHUG. You****S yeah i said it****S
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Daesdemona
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Posted - 2003.09.18 15:35:00 -
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CAREBEARS WEEEEEEEEEEEE LETS ALL HAVE A GROUPHUG. You****S yeah i said it****S
jeez
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2003.09.18 15:35:00 -
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Carebear = those without Tachyons.
LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! |
Athule Snanm
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Posted - 2003.09.18 15:39:00 -
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What have cigarettes got to do with anything?
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Raucus
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Posted - 2003.09.18 15:49:00 -
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Lethargy, just shup up. Don't even try to argue with experienced pirates if you don't know what the hell you are talking about.
Two words for you: IMMUNITY TIMERS!
Only the people who sleep or understimate you at a belt are killable. With the new module stacking nerf it is much harder to jam someone at a belt and if you team up your prey is likely to be alerted faster.
But the nice targets are in 1.0 systems now anyway, mining in their Apocs and 8 drones under the protection of the police.
Time to declare war to the fat ugly carebear corps...
Risk vs reward.
When your opinion is wanted *****.... I'll tell
you what it is.....
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Drethen Nerevitas
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Posted - 2003.09.18 15:51:00 -
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I'd have thought they'd have a lot to do with things. Example may be that CCP is busy with their ciggies and couldn't see what they were coding for all the smoke.
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Jerrico Delen
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Posted - 2003.09.18 15:54:00 -
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CAREBEARS WEEEEEEEEEEEE LETS ALL HAVE A GROUPHUG. You****S yeah i said it****S
No thanks, I don't smoke....
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.09.18 15:55:00 -
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I'll say it plainly once again for effect.
"Cao Cao" and "Algazara" and "Paladins of the Red Skull" = Taggart Transpiratical allies in the war against the NVA.
You are judged by the quality of your comrades-in-arms. Get into bed with scum and you are tainted by association.
Taggart Allies
Join the NVA today! ... Kick the "carebear" pirates in the ass!
Love and peace (and taggart ships a-roasting over a low steady flame)
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Taishi Ce
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Posted - 2003.09.18 16:01:00 -
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Edited by: Taishi Ce on 18/09/2003 16:02:52
Edited by: Taishi Ce on 18/09/2003 16:01:57
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What have cigarettes got to do with anything?
At risk of offending some of my friends, I will point out that in case you missed the alternate definition in the dictionary,**** also means raging homosexual sodomite.
Cao Cao
EDIT: i.e., a lifestyle that is somewhat disgusting IMHO. But I won't disagree that you can engage in this lifestyle if you so choose.
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2003.09.18 16:02:00 -
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Sodomite is that yucky brown stuff that Australians like to eat on toast, right?
LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! |
Raucus
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Posted - 2003.09.18 16:06:00 -
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It's a new rare ore......
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Jash Illian
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Posted - 2003.09.18 16:14:00 -
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I'll say it plainly once again for effect.
"Cao Cao" and "Algazara" and "Paladins of the Red Skull" = Taggart Transpiratical allies in the war against the NVA.
You are judged by the quality of your comrades-in-arms. Get into bed with scum and you are tainted by association.
Taggart Allies
Join the NVA today! ... Kick the "carebear" pirates in the ass!
Love and peace (and taggart ships a-roasting over a low steady flame)
Jade, while I do like your posts and say plainly "No Comment" on the stances, you're not helping much.
If you want to pick on Cao Cao, please do so in another thread. It's hard enough flaming the likes of Athren Soulsteal while staying on topic. TTI vs NVA has very little to do with the future of Piracy and PvP in Eve.
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.09.18 16:24:00 -
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Jash, you're right sorry mate. It was just too tempting from a war angle. As I said earlier; I think you are entirely right on the need for gradation in concord response.
Cao Cao and Algazara's charmless interjections aside. There does need to be a look at Sec levels and NPC response.
My personal take is that the game should move away from gate ambushing and towards more interesting predatory engagements. But this needs less active Concord in roid belts and open space. Also, in-system tracking needs to be introduced to allow pirates (and military pilots) to find their targets.
Anyhow, I'll leave off the recruiting spiel m'dear, but I have some lovely quotes from TTi allies to go home with.
Love and peace
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Bobby Wilson
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Posted - 2003.09.18 16:26:00 -
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Carebear = those without Tachyons.
No one else commented, so I gotta put out a ROFL to this one. 
Originally by: Selim
Cool, congrats.
Oh, stupid idea by the way.
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Zodiac Laserstorm
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Posted - 2003.09.18 16:29:00 -
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Damn, if THAT is what a carebear is, I'm one... these things happen quicker then you noice them!!
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Ubiq
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Posted - 2003.09.18 16:38:00 -
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Ya, suddelnly one day your a carbear, and we WIN AGAIN! We are the champions, my friend ....
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Bobby Wilson
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Posted - 2003.09.18 16:47:00 -
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I'm starting to wonder if the main problem is change, period. I'd heard all the screaming about playability on the help channel, but after the hotfix last night I went on running both my accounts simultaneously, did some rat farming and used second account for combat haulage. It worked fine, and I sure enjoyed the increases to heavy drone damage. Pity my 7 damage mods werÚn't as useful, but then I got going with a more interesting mix of low-slot stuff anyways. Chaining didn't seem to work, which I hope isn't a permanent change, but if it is I'll adjust. So basically this patch has some changes that for the most part make sense, with perhaps Tachyons being the exception.
Serious pirates need to consider that controlling the Megacyte is now more important than ever, as Heavy drones and some missiles/torps now require it as well as the things that already did. Gate camping should only be one tactic open to you, another would be selling "protection" to a mining corp. Not the BS passes sold by some warring factions, but actually escorting a mining corp to a Bist area, suppressing the rats for them, providing protection or at least early warning from PC threats and keeping 30 % of their ore and all loot from the rats. BTW, if there is a group interested in this, PM me as if security was provided 100% I could cut a lot of Bist for someone and use my second account as one of the haulers.
Granted this sounds more like honest work, but it's a living :)
Again on the whole sentry gun issue, blocking gate camping is not the same as blocking all PvP in low sec empire. I've already had a couple of near things with other miners/farmers in a 0.2 and sooner or later it'll come to blows there as well. It's nothing like trying to storm Stain, but it's practice for the big leagues, so that newer players have SOME PvP experience before heading out. (Heaven knows we get no useful PvP experience from being lagged and whacked by a gate camper). And the change IS phased decrease in security and phased increase in PvP, which is what a number of people have already said they need/want.
Originally by: Selim
Cool, congrats.
Oh, stupid idea by the way.
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Captain Carebear
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Posted - 2003.09.18 16:57:00 -
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Jade who cares about TTI? No one does anymore theyre dead.
As for carebears Im proud to be one and I fully support the nerf-bat in dealing with these griefers! Carebears are the heart of EVE!!! We deserve the right to play without being griefed by PK psychos! Support your local Carebear!!!!
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Daesdemona
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Posted - 2003.09.18 17:00:00 -
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Jade who cares about TTI? No one does anymore theyre dead.
As for carebears Im proud to be one and I fully support the nerf-bat in dealing with these griefers! Carebears are the heart of EVE!!! We deserve the right to play without being griefed by PK psychos! Support your local Carebear!!!!
Somebody pod this hippy
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Bobby Wilson
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Posted - 2003.09.18 17:02:00 -
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Somebody pod this hippy
Are you kidding? He's about the funniest (intentional) thing I've seen on these boards for a week :)
Originally by: Selim
Cool, congrats.
Oh, stupid idea by the way.
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Skillz
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Posted - 2003.09.18 17:09:00 -
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So how about making it more profitable to have activites outside imperial space. Just as the manual says.
But then all carebears would whine 'exploit' and stomp their feet until CCP caves in, as usual.
Keep on flaming, lamers.
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t00r
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Posted - 2003.09.18 17:10:00 -
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Change List
09/10/2003 Corrected spelling for 999
i mean... how can u misspell 999 ?
( please, it was a joke )
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Intruders
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Posted - 2003.09.18 17:16:00 -
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Jash Illian
Yes, you're lying. Because
I got your email because you got my email address from me.
Odd thing, if I were scared of you sending me a virus why would I give you my email addy? And unlike you, I didn't use an anonymous Yahoo email address
I had completely forgotten about that email. Still got it in my mailbox too. You musta terrified me into amnesia.
You re not just full of it, you are so miserable too.
Of course you were not the only one, I was sending out eve-mails to any which I could find allerting them of whats going down with those screenshots, and in each mail (not the eve-mail) I was letting them know to whom else I contacted to send them thos screenshots, you just peged someone after rereading my original eve-email (which you seem to be stocking eve-mails in archives, weird thing to do, or else there wouldnt be a chance of remembering it) and asked him if I have sent him an e-mail and to reveal you my current e-mail address which I never sented you anything with it.
I dont understand your nonsense about non formal email accounts since you yourself were afraid to contact me even with a fake one.
Seeing a person that goes too much out of his way to lie for something so insignificant, after he had the stupid urge to accuse a person he doesnt know and he never met in game because this person disagreed with one of your annoying friends (which is not my personal oppinion only) shows only one thing.
That you Jash Illian are a big time idiot, and appart from that, you are weird too.
Nuf waisting my time with you.
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Zarthan
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Posted - 2003.09.18 17:47:00 -
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Very simply sentry guns at every single gate is lame. they even have them in .0 space. Now initally pirates were limited to .4 and lower space so taht the newbies would ahve a place to play. Now they are forcing pirates to go out int .0 space were there is little stations i might add just to do what they enjoy. This game would be lame lame lame without pvp. I can't believe any of the carebares wouls stay long once they mined unabated for a month or two. Pirates help add some spice to this game and things like what was done make this game very lame. It keeps heading twoards carebare land it'll end up in the garbage like all the rest of the carebare games i got.
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Skelator
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Posted - 2003.09.18 18:15:00 -
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Yes it freakin is cause i almost got banned again for it.
Ok.... and how many mining drones did you and your team have flying to create lag?
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Die Harpie
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Posted - 2003.09.18 18:43:00 -
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Zarthan, maybe you are playing the wrong games, dood, seriously. Not that PvP isn't a needed part of the game but, sheesh, some of you people act as if that is the only reason to play this game if not the only way to play it. It's not and it isn't, but hey, if PvP is your bag - go with it, just don't **** and moan when other people don't want to play.
Same goes for non PvP'rs. Just cause you don't PvP doesn't mean you should screw it up for those who do like it.
For the real pirates out there (there are many who don't post here I am sure), I doubt this will not really affect you much at all. Some of you do it right from what I have seen. If it weren't for the gate camp cannin, grid abusing, jump point drone exploitin*****-bite 'pirates' out there (not many - but they are forum *****s - shocker!), the state of PvP probably would not be like this. You*****-bites know who you are (and so does everyone else).
One*****-bite or two can totally ruin a style of play for everyone else who enjoys that style of play. You 'pirates' may want to look at who is causing these problems and 'rectify' it.
"Jokes on you! I'm already dead *****!"
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Jash Illian
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Posted - 2003.09.18 19:10:00 -
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Jash Illian
Yes, you're lying. Because
I got your email because you got my email address from me.
Odd thing, if I were scared of you sending me a virus why would I give you my email addy? And unlike you, I didn't use an anonymous Yahoo email address
I had completely forgotten about that email. Still got it in my mailbox too. You musta terrified me into amnesia.
You re not just full of it, you are so miserable too.
Of course you were not the only one, I was sending out eve-mails to any which I could find allerting them of whats going down with those screenshots, and in each mail (not the eve-mail) I was letting them know to whom else I contacted to send them thos screenshots, you just peged someone after rereading my original eve-email (which you seem to be stocking eve-mails in archives, weird thing to do, or else there wouldnt be a chance of remembering it) and asked him if I have sent him an e-mail and to reveal you my current e-mail address which I never sented you anything with it.
I dont understand your nonsense about non formal email accounts since you yourself were afraid to contact me even with a fake one.
Seeing a person that goes too much out of his way to lie for something so insignificant, after he had the stupid urge to accuse a person he doesnt know and he never met in game because this person disagreed with one of your annoying friends (which is not my personal oppinion only) shows only one thing.
That you Jash Illian are a big time idiot, and appart from that, you are weird too.
Nuf waisting my time with you.
Ooo...am I a big smelly doo doo head too? Intruders, same thing to Jade:
Take your personal vendetta elsewhere
And no, I didn't get the mail from anyone but you, you psychopathic muppet
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2003.09.18 19:12:00 -
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Muppet
I love that word.
LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! |
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