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Logi3
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Posted - 2006.04.19 12:09:00 -
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Good post Laythun,
But! There will never be anything like m0o again. Yea BOB will go down as a fierce alliance, but what about IRON?
After reading this, i've just realised how much the game has changed since when i was in Cornexant Corp, which then and for a while was a top corporation! BS were very rare, well non existant untill we start building them! Now, what ship is uncommon too see?
Anyone from Cornexant Corp days convo me. I won't put down my character i was then here.
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D'onryu Shoqui
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Posted - 2006.04.19 12:17:00 -
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Quote: You keep prattling on about cheaters like you know something, but have yet to prove or cite an actual case of m0o exploiting.
moo + rus (thnink it was rus anwway) vs FA in YZ-LQL ,GRID BUG EXPLOIT USED , about 10 of us got our ships replaced and was the first time grid exploit was mentioned in eves ingame news. OK?
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Laythun
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Posted - 2006.04.19 12:20:00 -
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Originally by: D'onryu Shoqui
Quote: You keep prattling on about cheaters like you know something, but have yet to prove or cite an actual case of m0o exploiting.
moo + rus (thnink it was rus anwway) vs FA in YZ-LQL ,GRID BUG EXPLOIT USED , about 10 of us got our ships replaced and was the first time grid exploit was mentioned in eves ingame news. OK?
dude, its only and exploit AFTER its been found and used. dont be stupid Blame someone for pushing the game to the limits.
If they CONTINUED to use it then its an exploit.
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Dianabolic
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Posted - 2006.04.19 12:26:00 -
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So many bitter people, so long after the fact.
gg m0o, u will always be one of the games legends.
Originally by: Thomas Jefferson A society that will trade a little liberty for a little security will lose both and deserve neither
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Bhaal
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Posted - 2006.04.19 12:29:00 -
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Originally by: Double TaP
Originally by: Sphalerite
Originally by: Bhaal
You m0o fanbois are like neo-****Ęs who think ****** was the best thing since sliced bread...
Wow. Quoted for WTF. Don't you automatically lose now?
LoL Quoted for WTF again. N a z i's? Thats a little overboard. And by a little I mean wayyyyyy overboard.
Yes it was, I'm sorry...
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Noluck Ned
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Posted - 2006.04.19 12:37:00 -
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Edited by: Noluck Ned on 19/04/2006 12:41:35 Edited by: Noluck Ned on 19/04/2006 12:41:03 Well.....
M0o may be gone, but judging from the emotions unleashed in this thread, they are definately not forgotten.
It's not much of a problem for me since all this took place before my time.
We should in fact thank m0o for making the game what it is today: Less full of issues which could be used to stack the odds in your favour.
Were they cheaters? Dont know, cant prove anything. Did they use the yet to be ironed out Kinks in the game to their advantage? Seems like it, I have a friend whom I trust who used to play in those days and he seemed to think so. I cant prove anything one way or the other.
Bear with me...this post does have a point.
Its this: The Eve-verse(and the world at large) consists of both(many more types as well but right now they are not important) of the following types of people.
Type one: This is a player who, once he has identified a way to use the ingame rules to his advantage(even if its a grey area/borderline exploit) will immediately start using his discovery to gain advantage over others in the game. This player sees nothing at all wrong with what he is doing, he feels that it is his right to use every advantage he can get.
Type two: The player who identifies the same possible advantage from the dodgy tactic, but who then refuses to use it out of a sense of honour/fairness.
(Type 3: People who never know whats going on, but they are not important cause it doesent affect them at all one way or the other) Type one will pwn type two almost every day, laughing happily to himself at his own percieved cleverness. Type two will become more and more frustrated by being pwned daily by a tactic which he/she considers an exploit, this does nothing but cause a sense of moral outrage.
This is something which pure griefers can never understand: How being the victim of exploits can be experienced as a personal attack on ones own values and standards as a human being. The victim is left with a real sense of moral outrage, they have encountered someone diameterically opposed to what they feel is "Right". In short; an exploiter is symbolic of all that is wrong with the world in general, the fact that some people refuse to stick to the rules that others depend on to keep everything reasonably sane.(The knowledge that others are getting their jollies from your misfortune tends to bring out the worst in people)
Like every single game ever invented by man, EVE revolves around conflict. Not one single aspect of EVE does not relate to PVP in some way or another. People look to the developers and GM's to keep the playing field even. When a phenomenon like m0o washes over a community its a sure bet that controversy will be the result.
It also seems as though m0o was no different than any other group consisting of a majority of player type one: the left hand didnt know what the right hand was doing, just because you never exploited does not mean your corp mates did not.
And I am very sorry, but I am going to have to believe Wrangler when he says that they did in fact use tactics which are NOW considered as exploits. I have no reason to think that he would lie about that in a public forum.
Phew...ran out of rant before running out of space.
And yes...I may publish all these theories one day
Soon as I can prove to myself that I am never wrong.
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Viceroy
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Posted - 2006.04.19 13:04:00 -
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Ahah. I was just thinking "I'm not going to post unless Bhaal compares us to ****s/communists/rapists" and WHAM.
Good job WD, you have really proven that you are not a bitter little man with his panties in a twist over a computer game, crying and moaning because secretly he knows that he always wanted to be what m0o was; a significant impact on this game. Sorry but your impact will never go beyond endless whimpering and nonsensicle posting about self-righteous moral standards and how they should apply to EVE, and how it is such a great tragedy that CCP refuses to embrace your silly little candyworld fantasy.
Funny thing is, most of the bitter little people are just crying not because m0o were huge griefers or exploiters (puhleease btw) but because they know that m0o was simply better than them back in the day, and they don't want this fact to be acknowledged. Tough cookies my little bears, m0o became a legend a long time ago, and you can be sure that when EVE ends, m0o will still be remembered.
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2006.04.19 13:08:00 -
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"Good job WD (..)"
Wait wait waaait, Bhaal is WhiteDwarf? ^^;;
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Viceroy
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Posted - 2006.04.19 13:11:00 -
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Edited by: Viceroy on 19/04/2006 13:11:28
Originally by: j0sephine Wait wait waaait, Bhaal is WhiteDwarf? ^^;;
It all makes sense now doesn't it?
Bhaal was WhiteDwarf before he "gave away his account for free" to a certain internet auction site that he claims to be his "best friend".
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Omber Zombie
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Posted - 2006.04.19 13:16:00 -
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Originally by: Stavros hilarity
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Alberta
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Posted - 2006.04.19 13:19:00 -
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Originally by: j0sephine "Good job WD (..)"
Wait wait waaait, Bhaal is WhiteDwarf? ^^;;
You didn't know that?
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Alpha Centauri
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Posted - 2006.04.19 13:21:00 -
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anyone have the little dancing cow? I just love the cow
A wise man can learn more from a foolish question than a fool can learn from a wise answer. - Bruce Lee |
Bhaal
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Posted - 2006.04.19 13:21:00 -
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Originally by: Viceroy Edited by: Viceroy on 19/04/2006 13:11:28
Originally by: j0sephine Wait wait waaait, Bhaal is WhiteDwarf? ^^;;
It all makes sense now doesn't it?
Bhaal was WhiteDwarf before he "gave away his account for free" to a certain internet auction site that he claims to be his "best friend".
LOL, well I've given my true opinions on the matter, and you have given your opinions of me...
Kind of the way it always plays out...
Whether ppl believe me, or care to believe me, I did not receive RL cash for that account.
I gave it to the first Infinicorp corp mate who responded... (It was b4 CCP had the official character transfer)
In any event, if I did illegally transfer that account through eBay or the like, CCP would have banned me I'm sure...
I'm sorry if I have offended anyone with my comments and opinions, I won't apologize for how I feel on these issues, but will do so if I have offended anyone regarding the manner in which I displayed them.
Honestly, it's a game, and it is fun.
I do enjoy the fights on the forums as well...
In any event, a lot of you love m0o, and I don't...
I guess that's what's important.
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Aziza
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Posted - 2006.04.19 14:14:00 -
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Edited by: Aziza on 19/04/2006 14:14:27
Originally by: Laythun
Oh and as for the whining nublet claiming that 'eve history will be rewritten blah blah'.
Learn to read. Nobody care, not whining. And I will ignore pathetic nublet remark though.
Originally by: Laythun
Well it wont, We WILL ALWAYS remember the early corps and the early days
And who are you exactly?
Originally by: Laythun
our single universe may not last forever but the stories will.
It's not your universe. Never was and never will be. You also have no story or at least your strory suck big time.
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Trak Cranker
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Posted - 2006.04.19 14:26:00 -
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Originally by: Avon
Until you are told that using a tactic is exploiting, it is completely legitimate.
No, its not. Grow up. If you KNOW its an unintended behaviour of the game mechanic and you use it to your advantage, its an exploit. Plain and simple. It does not require for anyone to tell you so beforehand. As long as you know.
And for all I know of m0o they knew that on a lot of occasions. And for all I know they also made the best of the intended game mechanics.
Then we can debate on totally separate level whether exploiting does the game some good. But if noone exploited exploits, they would not have to be countered, would they? Its like saying that the escaping prisoner invented maximum security prisons and should be praised for it. Please resize your signature so that it is within the forum rule size limits - Jacques |
Fred0
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Posted - 2006.04.19 14:37:00 -
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I can't believe people still seem to be sore. ---
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Alpha Centauri
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Posted - 2006.04.19 15:13:00 -
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A wise man can learn more from a foolish question than a fool can learn from a wise answer. - Bruce Lee |
j0sephine
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Posted - 2006.04.19 15:20:00 -
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"You didn't know that? "
Nope, think i was on the EVE break when/if that became public knowledge so i missed it ^^;
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Keta Min
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Posted - 2006.04.19 15:21:00 -
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lol @ "OMGSPLOIT!!11"-crew
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Kular
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Posted - 2006.04.19 15:28:00 -
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Originally by: Kaylana Syi Edited by: Kaylana Syi on 18/04/2006 13:59:32 m0o Art
When I was bored I would do art for them... These were done the months before they broke up and went dormant.
They were actually a good lot of folk that were more mature then the people they would kill believe it or not.
lol I got half way through those pics when I saw the one of the Supersafespot Buster!
That was one of the best jokes m0o ever played on people! Mm0o was one of the greatest corps in Eve, I did have the pleasure of fighting one of their last remnants a year ago before they dissappeared forever. They we're bastards, but damn good at it and much respect for that! www.AegisMilitia.com For God, Empire, and Sarum! |
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Usul Faust
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Posted - 2006.04.19 15:44:00 -
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Originally by: Laythun
Originally by: D'onryu Shoqui
Quote: You keep prattling on about cheaters like you know something, but have yet to prove or cite an actual case of m0o exploiting.
moo + rus (thnink it was rus anwway) vs FA in YZ-LQL ,GRID BUG EXPLOIT USED , about 10 of us got our ships replaced and was the first time grid exploit was mentioned in eves ingame news. OK?
dude, its only and exploit AFTER its been found and used. dont be stupid Blame someone for pushing the game to the limits.
If they CONTINUED to use it then its an exploit.
sorry mate, but that's utter bollox.
its an 'exploit' becsause it's exploiting a weakness in the game's rules. It dosen't make any difference how many people klnow about it.
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DoctorDanny
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Posted - 2006.04.19 15:55:00 -
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Funny thread this. Shows how many idiots fly around in Eve forgetting that they're playing a game.
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Zezman
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Posted - 2006.04.19 16:30:00 -
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I once had an R2 droid in Star Wars Galaxies that I christened: Lord Zap.
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Wrangler
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Posted - 2006.04.19 16:44:00 -
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Oh, I stopped reading this at the first page, had to read it all now, seems there was a bit of an overreaction here.
One advice for the future, don't troll a moderator, we warn for that too, not just if you troll or flame a player. Next time I won't be so nice and just lock it.
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