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Kael Byka
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Posted - 2006.04.18 10:58:00 -
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Why has CCP gone quiet on performance issues since the installation of the new hardware that would reportedly allow double the number of users to play with no performance degradation?
Why are we hearing about the setup of a China server when they cannot even get our one working correctly.
Over Easter weekend, whenever I logged on there were no more than 22K users (not even close to the peak of over a month ago on a Bank Holiday weekend for most of the Eve playing World????), but many people were complaining about lag still, with number of players between 150 and 220 in systems such as Hageken - I didn't dare try to go to Jita. This even seemed to have a knock on effect to surrounding systems with lower numbers of players.
Are we even on this new kit still, how do we advise CCP of the lag problems, are they aware of the extent of them and what is being done?
I like Eve. I think it is one of the best MMO games out there - in terms of gameplay, content and mechanics. But right now, like so many other players am feeling VERY frustrated.
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PeerGuardian
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Posted - 2006.04.18 12:16:00 -
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It's the easter holidays! - Generally this means the internet is alot busier and as a result, generally most things run slower...
Try it out in a few days or something and see if the same issues occur.
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Rhaven
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Posted - 2006.04.18 12:46:00 -
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not all lag is client or server side you have to remember taht this info is transmitted over wires adn increase in usage = increase in slowness for everyone including the game playing world.
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Kael Byka
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Posted - 2006.04.18 13:24:00 -
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This isn't ISP related.
For a game that reportedly will run on a 56k modem, my connection is certainly not going to be an issue here - I monitor my connection speeds, both upload and download and very rarely experience issues.
Whenever Hageken hits 150+, players start to experience lag issues - whether Bank Holiday weekend or not, day or night.
If CCP were proud of their new servers and performance they would be letting us know that all is well, but they're not. They're just silent! On an Easter weekend you would expect everyone under the sun and moon to be playing Eve, yet the game fell far short of previous max concurrent users - why the drop in numbers?
Poor game performance.
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Principe
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Posted - 2006.04.18 13:49:00 -
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Well what the hell do you want... There is some improvement over the old server, its relatively less lagier than before... They did upgrade the servers.. What system do you have, have you considered your lag could be client side? have you tried clearing your cache? |
PeerGuardian
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Posted - 2006.04.18 15:53:00 -
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Edited by: PeerGuardian on 18/04/2006 15:53:16
Originally by: Kael Byka This isn't ISP related.
For a game that reportedly will run on a 56k modem, my connection is certainly not going to be an issue here - I monitor my connection speeds, both upload and download and very rarely experience issues.
Whenever Hageken hits 150+, players start to experience lag issues - whether Bank Holiday weekend or not, day or night.
If CCP were proud of their new servers and performance they would be letting us know that all is well, but they're not. They're just silent! On an Easter weekend you would expect everyone under the sun and moon to be playing Eve, yet the game fell far short of previous max concurrent users - why the drop in numbers?
Poor game performance.
If it concerns you that much - do not go to Hageken when there are 150 active players.
However, i'm sure this really isn't a big issue.
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Kael Byka
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Posted - 2006.04.18 16:35:00 -
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Lol. PeerGuardian your comment is tantamount to saying "Don't play if it's busy" and also shows you're missing my point about the reason for the drop in max concurrent users - i.e. it's dropped because of the lag when it's busy!!!!!!!
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PeerGuardian
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Posted - 2006.04.18 17:52:00 -
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Originally by: Kael Byka Lol. PeerGuardian your comment is tantamount to saying "Don't play if it's busy" and also shows you're missing my point about the reason for the drop in max concurrent users - i.e. it's dropped because of the lag when it's busy!!!!!!!
No - i'm just saying there is a simple solution to your problem. - if the system is busy use an alternative route. I'm not saying don't play.
You have no proof that the lag is the reason there are less concurrent users connected.
This whole discussion is rather pointless, you are obviously unhappy, and no matter what anyway says, you'll remain unhappy. Personally i don't see this as a big deal, a little bit of lag here or there is inevitable.
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Kael Byka
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Posted - 2006.04.18 18:10:00 -
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You're a new player with little experience of Eve PeerGuardian.
Hageken is a hub of activity and designed that way by CCP due to the placement of 3 rather good agents - they cannot expect this to be ignored by players.
Lag is debilitating and can cause major issues within combat - especially L4 kill missions.
I've experienced Eve for quite a while now from the days of just 9,000 peak users and ZERO lag to now and had high hopes for the new servers based on the annoucements and blogs from CCP that haven't really materialised. What I wanted to know as a paying customer is what CCP is doing about it and whether they even think there is a problem.
Go to any major popular system and try telling them that a little lag is not a problem - people will take the sec hit just to pod you.
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Coveney
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Posted - 2006.04.18 19:31:00 -
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Hi Kael,
I know what you mean by that but i was able to pass in jita but was having lag only when warping out to a gate. Beside that the all around system we`re doing fine.
Can you try that, disable the sound and see what it does. just a test. you decided.
Why i am asking, its because i usually have my sound disable on my game because the game runs smoother that way. _______________________ Recruting
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Principe
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Posted - 2006.04.19 07:03:00 -
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I actually went to Jita to check out how bad lag is... 280 peeps in system... not much lag... market took 1 second to pop up and update...
really, people who complain about lag should check clientside lag first... maybe you need a pc upgrade |
Vilar
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Posted - 2006.04.19 07:29:00 -
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Edited by: Vilar on 19/04/2006 07:29:35
Originally by: Principe
really, people who complain about lag should check clientside lag first... maybe you need a pc upgrade
lol, Hageken is bad at times, and no i dont think its client side, or could it be eve client.
About my spec's nah dont think its that, even with clean install hageken lags bad at times.
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Valium Summer
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Posted - 2006.04.19 08:10:00 -
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Edited by: Valium Summer on 19/04/2006 08:09:56 3 days ago I installed a 300 dollar Geforce 7800 GS to cut down on this "client side" lag.
Today i lost two battlecruisers in missions I have finished easily before... goes like this:
Warp in 30+ rats start targeting you, framerates drop.
Lockup: Sheild @ 100%
30 seconds later... one Frame change, shield at 85%
30 seconds later... one frame change Shield at 50%
30 seconds later... "warping" shields at 0% hull breached...
suddenly lag is gone... I'm in a pod. No lag.
I have seen the Arctic Circle... And it is round. |
Reznek
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Posted - 2006.04.30 15:31:00 -
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Ill report that my entire corp has lag issues in Hag, 2 ships lost as well due to it. that roughly 10 people havein the same trouble who are doin lvl 4 kill missons in hag, and now in neighboring systems as well. CCP is not fulfilling thier uber server claims and a response is needed. Not the usual BS of must be on client side cant be us. When i 1st began EVE few months ago that was one of the attractions, it seemed that CCP did look to themselves 1st when a problem was reported, not the crap ive noted from other games support staff.
This is a server side problem and needs to be addressed asap
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Shaco Unica
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Posted - 2006.04.30 15:40:00 -
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Agreed - too much of a coincidence that so many players in and aroung Hageken are suffering.
Note to CCP - just some current up-to-date information on the problem would keep most players content - it is the not knowing, and not knowing if they are doing anything about it that annoys most of us!
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SIlk Predator
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Posted - 2006.04.30 16:28:00 -
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A small pointer to those of you arguing over lag issues and the server upgrades. Just because CCP have upgraded the servers, does not mean there will be less lag. One would asume that the majority of lag will now be caused by internet traffic, afterall all the little 1's and 0's that allow us to play this game are sent down little copper wires.
Lots and lots of other people use these little copper wires to go online or talk on the phone and when these lots and lots of people all decide to do things at once these little copper wires have trouble coping. So, rather than inferring that CCP is at fault, with their rather expensive new technology, try remembering that all that information is zipping around little copper wires, old, out-moded, SLOW, copper wires. Just seems rather obvious to me.
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Agent Night
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Posted - 2006.04.30 18:51:00 -
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Edited by: Agent Night on 30/04/2006 18:54:36 I am getting very, very close to cancelling my subscription. It's been nothing but lag in Kusomonmon for the past four solid days now. I've been losing out on bonuses because I have to go to work before I can finish missions, and I'm taking a lot more damage than I should be. Haven't lost a ship yet, but it's only a matter of time.
I work for my ISP, so I KNOW this is not an issue on my end.
That and my overall financial situation has changed recently, making this game a much lower priority.
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Jetzin
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Posted - 2006.04.30 19:26:00 -
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0.0 is more laggy then empire FFS!
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JFxSummoner
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Posted - 2006.04.30 20:35:00 -
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A simple statement from CCP would go a hell of a long ways here i have experienced teh crap in Hageken as well and it is unnacceptable.
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Devanesc
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Posted - 2006.04.30 20:56:00 -
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Edited by: Devanesc on 30/04/2006 20:56:05 I find it funny when people who don't frequent hageken have the cheek to try and post about it. Go there during peak and have a mess around for an hour. You'll understand. Its quite simply laggy. You may think that 5 - 10 seconds ain't that bad but when your tanking 20 + npcs, and thats the time delay every time you want to open fire on a new target or activate your armour reps... it becomes a fairly serious problem.
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Flying Spur
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Posted - 2006.04.30 21:19:00 -
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Originally by: Shaco Unica Note to CCP - just some current up-to-date information on the problem would keep most players content - it is the not knowing, and not knowing if they are doing anything about it that annoys most of us!
SIGNED! --- Flying Spur, CEO of HOPPE Corporation HOPPE is Recruiting! |
Bactrian
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Posted - 2006.04.30 21:41:00 -
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CCP posted up a message ingame stating they knew of the problems....but that doesn`t help those people who cannot login... AFAIK, nothing has been posted on the website about it...
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Joskken Inx
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Posted - 2006.04.30 21:54:00 -
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When there is a noticable drop in game play thoroughput, perhaps it would go further than to simply say it's "laggy". Although there are those like Principe who may play devil's advocate that there is a client issue and those of us having problems should expect to ensure all things on our side are solid before ranting, there is still the issue to address here. That being, performance has taken a nosedive, most noticably on the weekends, and worse yet on the last 3 Sundays. I have observed that there are quite a number of higher level 3 and level 4 agent sin the system, thus attracting a large number of NPC mission-type players. The numbers in local, however, do not match the Jita or Ourselaert numbers, and the assumed player-induced lag.
I can't conclude what the issue is centered on, I jus tpassed thru Hagenken local again and it took over 4 minutes to load after entering the gate into Hageken. Local number at that time was 214. The "lag" effect is still felt in Oimmo, and in another system I just did a level 3 deadspace drone complex 4 jumps away from Hageken.
I can state that there was no performace difference after rebooting my modem, PC, and closing each and every non-essential program to run Eve as the only program active. This is standard fare for me with regard to playing Eve, but it is troubling that the system task manager states Eve is using 98%-100% resources.
Where can we go from here? -------------- Semper Fidelis |
LoneCold
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Posted - 2006.05.01 21:44:00 -
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I also have to admit it is unacceptable, I am new to the game and am currently on a 14day trial. I have quit the game for now as trying to do anything was pointless - I couldn't jump through the stargates because the game would appear to freeze and then i come back to my PC 5minutes later and suddenly it starts working in super spped catching up with itself, then the next gate etc etc. And it went on forever. I quit tho when this happened, I was docked at a station, I went to a mission description, clicked the little scroll down arrow thing and everything froze. I know for a fact it is not client side as I have checked out all possibilties, and when i started the game, it was wroking fine for the first 10minutes, then i started having the problems. It's a real shame this is one of the best games I have played but if things haven't improved by the end of my trial, I am not paying the monthoy subscription for continuous lagging issues.
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Soldasti Meinvor
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Posted - 2006.05.01 23:28:00 -
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I too have been having great difficulty today. Some of the jump errors that others have been reporting. Currently I cannot log on. This is not a client side issue. This computer was running the client just fine with no difficulty until the recent hardware upgrade. Higher user numbers is nice but I would rather have lower lag and no issues. I'm paying a monthly fee for service. That's 24/7. So I expect the server to be available when I want to play. Not including routine maintenance and such. This is very disheartening as I have just picked the game back up after a long layoff.
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thebossut
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Posted - 2006.05.02 00:51:00 -
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Edited by: thebossut on 02/05/2006 00:54:39 our corp HQ(AVA) is locatated hagken and the sytem has had about 170-180 ppl in it, I would pettion but there pettion other gives you a 500 error, we like to pvp within the corp for skills and learning setups. well my corp buddy lost his ship do to lag, I go to warp and 2min later I am warping, this is really SUCKING and I wish ccp would either fix this issue or give me my money back till they get this issue fixed. also as far as it being on clint side this is crap as my whole corp is having the same issue and they are all over the world. CCP plz post about this or are you like the major isp AOHELL that you dont care becasue for every 1 person that quits eve-online 5 more sign up
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Commander Slug
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Posted - 2006.05.02 01:32:00 -
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Hello all, i am new in trial. Now I can't login my main after a Jumping stuck. I am damned angry because i really love this game, this is very different from the other bunch of mmo i played. But because all these games as time based and time payed, i hope this is only an 'unlucky' moment. I never had so many problems with other mmo around. Tell me if this is only a contingent problem and i can hope in having a good fun here. Otherwise i'll end my trial and i will go back to others.... But i really like this so different and immersive game!
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Chetery
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Posted - 2006.05.02 01:51:00 -
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I have been playing for 5 months now and other than a warp bug 1 month back that made me lose my typhoon (which CCP replaced within 1 week) i have not experienced any other bugs or Lag and we have around 200 people in the system most of the time. What your experiences is probably Lag from routers on the way to the EVE servers. EXAMPLE: i live on the east coast and i play on a server based on the west coast say california and it lags alot but if i were to play on a server based in the central section of the country i dont experience any lag(problem a router between the central server and the west coast server is experiences alot of traffic therefore slows down your connection to that server) i have found this to be the case with MOST lag issues in games. if 30 people are lagging but 500 arent then its not the servers fault and CCP cant do anything about it. It is either your ISP your computer or a router on the way to the server. |
Archtype
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Posted - 2006.05.02 01:52:00 -
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As said before.. this is to anyone that is givin the check your hardware etc etc stuff.
hageken the system is screwed.
I used to be able to run 2 accounts at the same time, one mining and 1 running missions in Hageken. Np's whatsoever even on dialup. Everything ran smooth as can be.
For the last week or so its been horrendous even running one account. I can barely do a simple mission without having major issues. Mods taking up to 30 seconds to click on, delayed dmg etc etc. I am very lucky I did not lose any ships.
So before you make an ignorant comment, why not get your facts straight.
Hageken is a problem system. I can run in Jita with 400 people all day long with 2 accounts and not have a problem. Go to Hageken with 200 people and time sits still.
Hageken feels like Rens when Exodus was released if that gives you an idea.
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thebossut
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Posted - 2006.05.02 01:59:00 -
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Edited by: thebossut on 02/05/2006 02:00:31
Originally by: Archtype As said before.. this is to anyone that is givin the check your hardware etc etc stuff.
hageken the system is screwed.
I used to be able to run 2 accounts at the same time, one mining and 1 running missions in Hageken. Np's whatsoever even on dialup. Everything ran smooth as can be.
For the last week or so its been horrendous even running one account. I can barely do a simple mission without having major issues. Mods taking up to 30 seconds to click on, delayed dmg etc etc. I am very lucky I did not lose any ships.
So before you make an ignorant comment, why not get your facts straight.
Hageken is a problem system. I can run in Jita with 400 people all day long with 2 accounts and not have a problem. Go to Hageken with 200 people and time sits still.
Hageken feels like Rens when Exodus was released if that gives you an idea.
agreed, I have connected to eve with a dial up connection and played in hageken with no issues there is some thing going on with the cluster, and my friend tells me they took it down for maint maybe they will get it fixed
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