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AureoLion
Etoilles Mortant Ltd. Solyaris Chtonium
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Posted - 2011.11.14 09:50:00 -
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Buruk Utama wrote:AureoLion wrote: I routinely multibox 3 accounts - and i'm very aware you can do that. But you can run ten SHOOTING ships at the same time? The best i can see is running three ships with fighters assigned - Any more than that and you're losing in efficiency big-time. Perhaps you can get 4, or 5 - but you really think you can get 10-15 ships on field, shooting? And not in laggy fleet pvp, in pve - where you have targets every 10s, or less.
It is possible to solo/multibox a 40 man incursion, it has been accomplish. However, it takes a special setup and you can read about it here and the corresponding setup. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=24921Also multibox lvl 4's easily as I run in window mode and use missile chunkers, isn't hard. Using multiboxing tools, ala click replicators, is (or atleast was) a bannable offense, i actually remember someone using 12 mouses stomped together to get around that. With use of those out, i don't think he could manage 25 accounts: but stil. You CAN do 10 accounts, but it'll be at a big loss of efficiency, and the point becomes more "woot 10 acconts" and less "woot 10x the isk" - running 3 separate missions on 3 separate chars is already kind of harsh (but perhaps i'm not trained enough) |
Keen Fallsword
Billionaires Club C0VEN
17
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Posted - 2011.11.14 10:33:00 -
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Ptraci wrote:Keen Fallsword wrote: Mining should be the only source of minerals in eve.
Thank you Spoken as someone who has never taken the time to train Scrapmetal Processing V... If mining is to be the only source of minerals suddenly a lot of null-bears are going to be pissed when mineral compression stops working...
Who Cares ? Its just a game right ? Miners should be one of the most important part of this game. I want to see this game as whole experience not only part of if !! If you love to mine a have fun with it ? great !!
Ccp forgoten about some players and they are paying for it... Right here , right now .. Coz some devs like soundwave etc.. Got WET DREAMS about holy molly umba power pew pew ! And now they may loose theirs jobs !! so manny misstakes...
Dear ccp try not to forgot that games are not only about pew pew.. Yes mr soundwave you to. I can give you eg. like farmville!!! yes yes dear ccp farmville! imagine those millions of Dollars without pew pew :)
Btw. Ccp here is a tip and its for free. If you want more female players.. You should know what to do. Mining !!! I know many female Miners! Some of them are moms etc but in most they are bored coz they cant get iskies !! Do something with it! Or hire me in advisory group :) (im game dev in rl and got some AAA titles under my belt. not joking :)
Anyway... Im not miner but i love to watch at huge mining OPs ! Its freaking great ! Really ! 20 hulks just after dawn!!! Nothing can match this
Im that one null-bear but without pve XD and i dont care about drones.. But drf and theirs bot-net cares.. For sure..
Fight for asteroids digging !!! Remove min drop !!! |
HELIC0N ONE
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
57
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Posted - 2011.11.14 10:34:00 -
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Ptraci wrote:Keen Fallsword wrote: Mining should be the only source of minerals in eve.
Thank you Spoken as someone who has never taken the time to train Scrapmetal Processing V... If mining is to be the only source of minerals suddenly a lot of null-bears are going to be pissed when mineral compression stops working...
Then they'll need to harden the fuck up. Mineral Compression is ridiculous nonsense which has fueled several detrimental trends in Eve and should be removed sooner rather than later.
Of course 0.0 will still need its minerals to come from somewhere else (like a huge buff to 0.0 mining as part of a general industrial revamp) to make up the shortfall. |
Mukuro Gravedigger
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1
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Posted - 2011.11.14 11:30:00 -
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While it has been mentioned here already, an idea I posted in the Features and Idea discussion (copied and pasted):
I would not mind if CCP took another look at the Scrapmetal Processing skill. As a player learns to become more proficient in this skill, they should be able to obtain "higher" level of minerals and in greater numbers compared to someone that has no training in the skill. As an example,
A player without the skill refines a module and gets back some tritanium and perhaps a partially melted nugget.
A player with one level of this skill refines a module and gets back tritanium, some pyerite, and a touch of mexallon, along with a large melted nugget if other minerals are still within it.
A player with two levels of this skill refines a module and gets back the full allotment of tritanium, most of the pyerite, some mexallon, and a touch of isogen, with a rare chance of pulling out some nocxium, along with a medium melted nugget if other minerals are still within it.
And further down the chain... these nuggets would be sold on the market as "Partially / Large / Medium (etc.) Melted down (item)" so a potential buyer could decide if there would be anything worth refining (if they had a high enough skill proficiency) to purchase and refine the rest.
Just a thought on the matter, without being so brash. The current "loss" difference between an unskilled player and a player that trained this skill makes the skill almost worthless to train.
As I was originally a miner at first, I would like to see a boost in the mining profession. But until CCP gets a firmer grip on botting for minerals, short of any boost being equivalent to increased complexity (direct live interaction instead of away from the keyboard interaction), any boost will just help macros with the mining profession being a simple task at best. |
Elanor Vega
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
29
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Posted - 2011.11.14 13:08:00 -
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Keen Fallsword wrote:Ptraci wrote:Keen Fallsword wrote: Mining should be the only source of minerals in eve.
Thank you Spoken as someone who has never taken the time to train Scrapmetal Processing V... If mining is to be the only source of minerals suddenly a lot of null-bears are going to be pissed when mineral compression stops working... Who Cares ? Its just a game right ? Miners should be one of the most important part of this game. I want to see this game as whole experience not only part of if !! If you love to mine a have fun with it ? great !! Ccp forgoten about some players and they are paying for it... Right here , right now .. Coz some devs like soundwave etc.. Got WET DREAMS about holy molly umba power pew pew ! And now they may loose theirs jobs !! so manny misstakes... Dear ccp try not to forgot that games are not only about pew pew.. Yes mr soundwave you to. I can give you eg. like farmville!!! yes yes dear ccp farmville! imagine those millions of Dollars without pew pew :) Btw. Ccp here is a tip and its for free. If you want more female players.. You should know what to do. Mining !!! I know many female Miners! Some of them are moms etc but in most they are bored coz they cant get iskies !! Do something with it! Or hire me in advisory group :) (im game dev in rl and got some AAA titles under my belt. not joking :) Anyway... Im not miner but i love to watch at huge mining OPs ! Its freaking great ! Really ! 20 hulks just after dawn!!! Nothing can match this Im that one null-bear but without pve XD and i dont care about drones.. But drf and theirs bot-net cares.. For sure.. Fight for asteroids digging !!! Remove min drop !!!
This man have a point...
why would ppl fight when they don't have a reason to fight? EVE was based on fighting for resources and CCP is now giving resources to everyone... what ever they do... what ever you do you get minerals... you kill - you get minerals, you salvage - you get minerals and on last place in this chain is mining... well... this chain is toooo long...
eve is ocean of resources... to make it interesting for many ppl and not only one group you need to make tap (only a tap) for each resource so that you need to want to get to that tap to fill your jug with only that resource... that way you make game more diverse... you can do many different things to get different resources... and you need to have people to do many diffetent things to have all resources (from many different taps) that you need to prosper.
in short: you need to get rid of that first two hoops in this chain of minerals. |
Buruk Utama
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
49
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Posted - 2011.11.14 13:59:00 -
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AureoLion wrote:Buruk Utama wrote:AureoLion wrote: I routinely multibox 3 accounts - and i'm very aware you can do that. But you can run ten SHOOTING ships at the same time? The best i can see is running three ships with fighters assigned - Any more than that and you're losing in efficiency big-time. Perhaps you can get 4, or 5 - but you really think you can get 10-15 ships on field, shooting? And not in laggy fleet pvp, in pve - where you have targets every 10s, or less.
It is possible to solo/multibox a 40 man incursion, it has been accomplish. However, it takes a special setup and you can read about it here and the corresponding setup. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=24921Also multibox lvl 4's easily as I run in window mode and use missile chunkers, isn't hard. Using multiboxing tools, ala click replicators, is (or atleast was) a bannable offense, i actually remember someone using 12 mouses stomped together to get around that. With use of those out, i don't think he could manage 25 accounts: but stil. You CAN do 10 accounts, but it'll be at a big loss of efficiency, and the point becomes more "woot 10 acconts" and less "woot 10x the isk" - running 3 separate missions on 3 separate chars is already kind of harsh (but perhaps i'm not trained enough)
Not to derail but the way he's doing is perfectly legit. There is another thread where the mechanics get hashed out and CCP came in and said what exactly is and is not allowed. How he was doing it fell within those parameters. Click replicators is not necessarily bannable, it depends on how you use it. |
KFenn
Percussive Diplomacy
57
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Posted - 2011.11.14 14:50:00 -
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Why not change drone minerals to drop only very, very small amounts of high-ends? Enough so that significant grinding allows production for newer groups in highsec but not so much that it infringes on null/lowsec mining. Either that or very, very small amounts of moongoo for T2 production.
While we're on the subject, lowsec/nullsec mining needs a buff. The current problem is the risk/reward for gankers. People can say "bring a fleet of PvPers to protect you!", but this can be easily countered by bringing high-alpha snipers. Bring a bunch of artypests or artycanes, warp in at 100, pop some miners, warp out before any real danger presents itself. That's too easy IMO, and that's coming from a lowsec pirate who loves easy ganks. Now, I'm no video game designer, so take this idea with a pinch of salt, but I'd like to see something like this:
A new siege module for the Orca and a buff to the current one on the Rorqual. This module will project the shield of the ship it is fitted to to a 10KM radius.
- Any ship (excluding the projecting ship) can't be targeted within this shield.
- Any ship inside this field cannot target other ships.
- The projecting ship cannot move while this is active.
- This shield has a cycle time of 5 minutes, and consumes Strontium.
- Ships cannot warp from inside the shield - they have to wait for the shield to drop, or they have to burn outside of it.
- The shield relies directly on the ship projecting it. To balance this, the module grants an active shield tanking bonus (I'll leave you to do the numbers).
- This module also provides a mining buff to members of the fleet, in the same way a ganklink would.
- This module cannot be used in highsec - THIS IS IMPORTANT. Why? Suddenly you've got a module that makes mining more efficient, which means more minerals, which means more profit. But it requires to to go to unsafe space to use it. Risk vs. reward.
The point of this is to balance the current risk/reward to low and nullsec mining by offering some appreciable protection for miners, whilst forcing them to put a pricey ship (Orca or Rorqual) on the line, and allowing them to better fill the role of mining support ship. It also means that bringing a defence fleet will be a valid tactic in basically all situations, as the attacking force has to stick around and fight. Attacking a mining op turns from a quick gank into a situation requiring tactics and an actual fight.
It also gives people something to fight for, which is something sorely lacking in lowsec. Back in the day of static DED complexes you could find fights on the gates to those basically all the time, because there was an actual resource to fight for, and it was fun. Lots of fun. People need actual resources to fight for, and this is a prime example of where you could give them one.
Just my 2 ISK cents. Commanding Officer of the Treacle Tart Brigade SLAPD Director |
Crucis Cassiopeiae
EvE-COM
712
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Posted - 2011.11.14 15:42:00 -
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Keen Fallsword wrote:Ptraci wrote:Keen Fallsword wrote: Mining should be the only source of minerals in eve.
Thank you Spoken as someone who has never taken the time to train Scrapmetal Processing V... If mining is to be the only source of minerals suddenly a lot of null-bears are going to be pissed when mineral compression stops working... Who Cares ? Its just a game right ? Miners should be one of the most important part of this game. I want to see this game as whole experience not only part of if !! If you love to mine a have fun with it ? great !!
Ccp forgoten about some players and they are paying for it... Right here , right now .. Coz some devs like soundwave etc.. Got WET DREAMS about holy molly umba power pew pew ! And now they may loose theirs jobs !! so manny misstakes...
Dear ccp try not to forgot that games are not only about pew pew.. Yes mr soundwave you to. I can give you eg. like farmville!!! yes yes dear ccp farmville! imagine those millions of Dollars without pew pew :)
Btw. Ccp here is a tip and its for free. If you want more female players.. You should know what to do. Mining !!! I know many female Miners! Some of them are moms etc but in most they are bored coz they cant get iskies !! Do something with it! Or hire me in advisory group :) (im game dev in rl and got some AAA titles under my belt. not joking :)
Anyway... Im not miner but i love to watch at huge mining OPs ! Its freaking great ! Really ! 20 hulks just after dawn!!! Nothing can match this
Im that one null-bear but without pve XD and i dont care about drones.. But drf and theirs bot-net cares.. For sure..
Fight for asteroids digging !!! Remove min drop !!!
I love you man... nice said...
p.s. Is CCP just ignoring us players - again??? |
Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
50
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Posted - 2011.11.14 16:45:00 -
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Random Thought that needs working out:
Why not have drones drop moon-goo.......
Pros: The lack of local sources of moongoo is one of the major hindrances to null-sec industry. Drone plexes are available in all spaces, thereby potentially providing a small source of goo to all regions.
The isk from tech moons rarely goes to individuals, but to Corp / Corp leaders. This would move some of that value back into Average Joe's pocket.
Cons: The isk from tech moons is a major source of conflict within EvE. If you devalue the moon too much, it will no longer be such a tasty target.
Drone Belt Farming (*cough* botting ) has already shown its ability to massively influence the EvE market. If this is not properly balanced, the results could be devistating.
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Avila Cracko
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
97
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Posted - 2011.11.14 18:50:00 -
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Gizznitt Malikite wrote: Random Thought that needs working out:
Why not have drones drop moon-goo.......
Pros: The lack of local sources of moongoo is one of the major hindrances to null-sec industry. Drone plexes are available in all spaces, thereby potentially providing a small source of goo to all regions.
The isk from tech moons rarely goes to individuals, but to Corp / Corp leaders. This would move some of that value back into Average Joe's pocket.
Cons: The isk from tech moons is a major source of conflict within EvE. If you devalue the moon too much, it will no longer be such a tasty target.
Drone Belt Farming (*cough* botting ) has already shown its ability to massively influence the EvE market. If this is not properly balanced, the results could be devistating.
Here is a thought... maybe...
p.s. untill this thread i didn't thought that goons can have constructive posts... and not only for them constructive... thnx to HELIC0N ONE for this experience... |
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Aquila Draco
83
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Posted - 2011.11.14 21:02:00 -
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Can we please get ONE CCP-s response over here??? ONE thought on this subject??? Tell us are you even in a brief moment considered that some other part of game apart pew-pew would need some attention??? |
bornaa
GRiD.
45
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Posted - 2011.11.14 23:21:00 -
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Aquila Draco wrote:Can we please get ONE CCP-s response over here??? ONE thought on this subject??? Tell us are you even in a brief moment considered that some other part of game apart pew-pew would need some attention???
I see many good suggestions here... moon goo from drones... hmmmm....
and I see OP that is trying to get all things on one place...
and I don't see CCP... :/
well.. maybe ccp isn't changed... maybe they have all this changes prepared... little pew-pew... a few ships... rebalance that they are working now... and eye-candy... but when you ask them about something that involve changing game mechanic that would bring prosperity to more ppl then pew-pew things... well... nothing...
well... we tried to make EVE better place... |
Severian Carnifex
61
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Posted - 2011.11.15 05:58:00 -
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Aquila Draco wrote:you have a point... I don't have hard evidence... but... read a little all forum discussions about mining and drones and loot in last 2 years and you will see many many good points on that... like... prices before and after drone regions were implemented... but... that's rubbish evidence to you... i know... And where is your evidence on "few hundred people ratting drones" LOL few hundred??? ...you must be joking... right??? I didn't say "put bounty" or "make more inflation"... but... whats the difference about monetary inflation and inflation of some goods??? I don't see a difference... minerals ARE isk for indy ppl!!! And if you can AFK mine in low sec or WH or 0.0... then i applaud you... then you are botter that make so much isk that would not give a damn even about few hulks lost per day... or are member of one huge 0.0 empire and mine in protection of large fleet... and when we are at AFKing... whats then with AFKing lvl4 missions??? much more isk in there and are done afk... And skills... no... they aren't long at all... hulk/orca skilling for max yield (no one would mine at all for anything less) and ok defense... that you can do in trial... /sarcasm off and about drops... did you read what i wrote and what other ppl wrote... at least a little? didn't think so... end egoism... well... you are definition of it... just looking whats good for you... and not give a damn do you hurting other group of ppl... even not not give a damn do your egoism hurting EVE itself... it would be great for EVE that things get a little more $$$ so that ppl use T1 things too... it would be great for EVE that ppl use smaller ships too... ships that are driven only by noobs and then forgotten... it would be great for EVE that we see all range of ships in space and not only T2 and T3 variants with faction/deadspace fit... it would be great for EVE that ppl use sub-caps over only SC blobs in low/zero sec... but some ppl think larger -> better... well that's telling something about them... "If I were a miner" I know that you are not because you don't know what you are talking about... and i think that CCPs intention isn't to make game with only one profession... because that game would be dead a long time ago... * writing in hurry - sorry for errors
WOW... someone was mad... but you have good points covered here...
some ppls isk isnt only isk...
about drone regions... well... LOL...
how ppl think you can afk everything... without even trying it... just trolling... how to afk something somewhere when you would be ganked many times per day...
and about cheaper ships... yea... CCP have to revive cheaper ships... |
Elyssa MacLeod
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
23
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Posted - 2011.11.15 06:01:00 -
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lol... gallente ice GM Homonoia: Suicide ganks are a valid and viable tactic in EVE.
Where is your God now carebear? |
Trainwreck McGee
Ghost Ship Inc.
122
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Posted - 2011.11.15 06:33:00 -
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Putting bounties on drones makes no sense. Drones should not have any loot either. They should instead provide very good salvage. CCP Trainwreck - Weekend Custodial Engineer / CCP Necrogoats foot stool |
Alxea
DARKNESS RISING. IMPERIAL LEGI0N
44
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Posted - 2011.11.15 06:35:00 -
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Sounds like a troll spreading rumors there for must be a troll. |
Avila Cracko
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
98
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Posted - 2011.11.15 10:03:00 -
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Elyssa MacLeod wrote:lol... gallente ice
what??? |
Elanor Vega
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
31
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Posted - 2011.11.15 11:25:00 -
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Alxea wrote:Sounds like a troll spreading rumors there for must be a troll.
Ppl here are not trolling... they just want to make EVE what it was once again... |
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