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Violet Kross
Asteroid Protection Society
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Posted - 2014.03.02 01:04:00 -
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I've wondered this ever since I discovered that an account had multiple character slots. I know people who explain this by saying that they jump clone between their alts, which explains why two alts from the same account can't be online at the same time.
But in regards to different accounts, how does that work? Some RP their multiple accounts as different people with different personalities, but this doesn't make sense to me. Even if a small group of people were close friends, it wouldn't explain why they all pool their resources together. If you think about how people use alts, there's usually a money-making alt that does nothing fun itself, and that is used to fund a main. If they were two different people, why would one devote their life to funding the other in this way?
I've had a look into some old threads and found some people writing about some form of black market technology that forms neural links between people. Is there anything that has been confirmed in regards to alts? Any theories? If there are any shorts out there based on this idea, I'd love to read them. |
Tavin Aikisen
Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
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Posted - 2014.03.02 01:54:00 -
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Violet Kross wrote:
But in regards to different accounts, how does that work? Some RP their multiple accounts as different people with different personalities, but this doesn't make sense to me. Even if a small group of people were close friends, it wouldn't explain why they all pool their resources together. If you think about how people use alts, there's usually a money-making alt that does nothing fun itself, and that is used to fund a main. If they were two different people, why would one devote their life to funding the other in this way?
Isn't that just the definition of corporations? The real specific details, like pooling entire funds, I usually just ignore that aspect as it's very hard to explain such behaviour from an in-game context.
I think jump cloning between alts makes no sense lore wise. You cannot be different people. That was a trait very unique to The Broker and comes across as "god modding" for the average capsuleer. Remember this. Trust your eyes, you will kill each other. Trust your veins, you can all go home. -Cold Wind |
Candi LeMew
Sky Fighters
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Posted - 2014.03.02 02:51:00 -
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Odd question. No offense.
Very simple snswer though - In RP terms of course alts are separate people.
In my case most of my alts are either family members of my main (There are 3 sisters and one brother) or they are family employees.
Yes, they are all "me", but they are very distinct and separate characters in a roleplay-sense. If you messaged each of them in-character you would get very different responses. It can be quite a challenge to RP multiple-characters like that, especially when I have more than one in a RP channel at once. "I been kicked out of better homes than this" - Rick James
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Violet Kross
Asteroid Protection Society
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Posted - 2014.03.02 03:00:00 -
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Candi LeMew wrote: If you messaged each of them in-character you would get very different responses. It can be quite a challenge to RP multiple-characters like that, especially when I have more than one in a RP channel at once.
That makes sense, I guess. Since I often don't play in an RPing environment, I always respond to the name of my main, no matter what character I'm using. Even with roleplayers, they'll often ask my alts questions that are meant to be directed at my main. The post I was referring to earlier (I'll edit in the link when I find it) talks about how black market technology could create neural links between capsuleers, either merging their personalities or eliminating the personality of one of them. |
Makoto Priano
Priano Trans-Stellar State Services Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
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Posted - 2014.03.02 03:01:00 -
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The end of the first comic for EVE: True Stories shows the BoB director stumbling toward a clone of his alt; this provides a bit of canon support for alts being the same person.
At the same time, some players play their characters as separate people for RP purposes, and that's legit; sure, there's fudging on assets, but so long as the characters are distinct and recognizeably individual, then I say go for it.
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Candi LeMew
Sky Fighters
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Posted - 2014.03.02 03:12:00 -
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Violet Kross wrote:That makes sense, I guess. Since I often don't play in an RPing environment, I always respond to the name of my main, no matter what character I'm using. So do I, but only when I'm not in a RP environment. Otherwise that'd be poor RP.
Quote:Even with roleplayers, they'll often ask my alts questions that are meant to be directed at my main. I'd call that bad RP personally, and the character in question would respond confused, wondering why he/she is being asked this odd question that should be directed at someone else.
Makoto Priano wrote:The end of the first comic for EVE: True Stories shows the BoB director stumbling toward a clone of his alt; this provides a bit of canon support for alts being the same person. Would you really classify that as 'canon' though? I'd have thought that story was just more one person's creative interpretation of events rather than anything 'official'.
In any event I'd see "jumping" into your alt's clones like that as being the rare exception to the rule. Doesn't seem to make much sense to me. "I been kicked out of better homes than this" - Rick James
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Himnos Altar
Black Fox Marauders
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Posted - 2014.03.02 03:29:00 -
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Candi LeMew wrote:Violet Kross wrote:That makes sense, I guess. Since I often don't play in an RPing environment, I always respond to the name of my main, no matter what character I'm using. So do I, but only when I'm not in a RP environment. Otherwise that'd be poor RP. Quote:Even with roleplayers, they'll often ask my alts questions that are meant to be directed at my main. I'd call that bad RP personally, and the character in question would respond confused, wondering why he/she is being asked this odd question that should be directed at someone else. Makoto Priano wrote:The end of the first comic for EVE: True Stories shows the BoB director stumbling toward a clone of his alt; this provides a bit of canon support for alts being the same person. Would you really classify that as 'canon' though? I'd have thought that story was just one person's creative interpretation of events rather than anything 'official'. In any event I'd see "jumping" into your alt's clones like that as being the rare exception to the rule. Doesn't seem to make much sense to me. Edit again: Although now you mention it I do know one RP'er who has several clones with almost identical names, he RP's them in that way so he can switch genders as required.
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Violet Kross
Asteroid Protection Society
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Posted - 2014.03.02 03:40:00 -
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Himnos Altar wrote:BOOBS! (re: why would you jump into an alt's clone)
And then I had a couple paragraph rant about how the very concept of being an RP player is ridiculous in the extreme. Everyone in EVE plays their role. Whether it's the New Order being more blatant about it, the white knights against the New Order, big bad COWs, um, BoB and Sir Molle--er, Goons and Mittani, Gevlon and his anti-Goons/RVB kick he's currently on, the podcasters as the media or EVE, the null alliances/coalitions/blocs, the PVPers, the marketeers, the miners--they're all playing their role in EVE.
Some people realize it (Erotica 1, James 315, arguably Mittens) and some don't. But IMHO if you're logged into EVE and/or contributing to the EVE meta, you're roleplaying.
Yourself.
Some people just happen to put a bit (read: a lot) more work into their roleplaying than others.
I cannot agree with this enough. Seriously.
In this thread I'm thinking more along the lines of how alts work from a lore point of view. I'm not much of an RPer myself besides working with the New Order, but I love reading about Eve lore and how mechanics like this would translate into lore. |
Himnos Altar
Black Fox Marauders
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Posted - 2014.03.02 03:44:00 -
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Violet Kross wrote:Himnos Altar wrote:BOOBS! (re: why would you jump into an alt's clone)
And then I had a couple paragraph rant about how the very concept of being an RP player is ridiculous in the extreme. Everyone in EVE plays their role. Whether it's the New Order being more blatant about it, the white knights against the New Order, big bad COWs, um, BoB and Sir Molle--er, Goons and Mittani, Gevlon and his anti-Goons/RVB kick he's currently on, the podcasters as the media or EVE, the null alliances/coalitions/blocs, the PVPers, the marketeers, the miners--they're all playing their role in EVE.
Some people realize it (Erotica 1, James 315, arguably Mittens) and some don't. But IMHO if you're logged into EVE and/or contributing to the EVE meta, you're roleplaying.
Yourself.
Some people just happen to put a bit (read: a lot) more work into their roleplaying than others. I cannot agree with this enough. Seriously. In this thread I'm thinking more along the lines of how alts work from a lore point of view. I'm not much of an RPer myself besides working with the New Order, but I love reading about Eve lore and how mechanics like this would translate into lore.
My personal lore is that my (many) alts are all friends (and/or relatives) (or at least acquaintances) who happen to work together. They buy their Concord 30 day PLEX with either planetary currency or ISK that they make in the normal playtime.
I had a lot more of that on a blog on podlogs before it went belly up and I lost a lot of stuff. |
Candi LeMew
Sky Fighters
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Posted - 2014.03.02 03:47:00 -
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Meh, boobs are overrated.
I've always been more about legs. Hence my characters are petite n' skinny lol
And they're all fun to play for different reasons due to their varied personalities.
You're correct in many respects. Everyone who plays EVE is roleplaying a character in a very basic sense, but the framework they use is generally limited to things that the game provides - their avatar, their loyalties, their ingame desires.
For actual roleplayers the framework is much bigger. Your character has personal tastes, desires, goals and opinions as well as morale boundaries. All of which may be vastly different to your own, and different to your other characters too. Just like writing a story and portraying the various characters within, it can be fun playing personalities and kinda writing your own living story as you go. "I been kicked out of better homes than this" - Rick James
Seek freedom and become captive of your desires. Seek discipline and find your liberty. |
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Esna Pitoojee
Wolfsbrigade Lost Obsession
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Posted - 2014.03.02 16:35:00 -
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Generally the explanation given is that the alts have some deeply persona reason for taking up the limited role they do.As was mentioned above, some consider them family; others might have been funded into being a capsuleer (which, remember, is an extended process and not merely a quick surgery and you're good to go) by the 'main' in the equation. Maybe some huge debt is owed - did the main do something for the alt that would leave them with some sort of personal or blood debt that would leave them choosing to repay the 'main' with service? Sometimes the reasoning is that they were forced - maybe the 'main' is holding a family member hostage, or has some deeply damaging information regarding the 'alt'.
On the Amarr end of things, one trope that often comes up is the 'alt' being a subservient member of the same Amarrian house or organization the 'main' is; not just slaves (although those appear often enough) but just lower-ranking members of the same house who would follow the higher-ranking 'main' because Amarrian society is highly authoritarian and doing what your Holder tells you to is ingrained deeply even into capsuleers.a |
Fredfredbug4
Eve Defence Force Cult of War
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Posted - 2014.03.03 17:21:00 -
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Both of the following can work. Either alts are entirely different people or alts are merely the same person in a different body. I feel both would be able to fit into the cannon quite well. Watch Fred Fred Frederation and stop cryptozoologist! Fight against the brutal genocide of fictional creatures across New Eden! Is that a metaphor? Probably not, but the fru-fru- people will sure love it! |
Sabriz Adoudel
Mission BLITZ
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Posted - 2014.03.03 23:38:00 -
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I always think of on-account alts as the same consciousness and off-account alts as allies. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=238931 - an idea for a new form of hybrid PVE/PVP content. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=318489 - Proposal for a new type of tech 2 Destroyer If you want to mine in highsec, read www.minerbumping.com. |
Eija-Riitta Veitonen
Unicorn Enterprise
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Posted - 2014.03.04 16:05:00 -
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All of my chars have their own personalities, and although at first they may seem to be very similar to one another, there are some differences in mannerisms, views and preferences.
As for in-character explanation, I've been itching to write a story about exactly that from one of the character's standpoint for a long time now, though I am not that good at writing. I may get it all together and finally finish it at some point. Not that it would be considered canon anyway. |
MutnantRebel
Shamrock a knock Inc.
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Posted - 2014.03.05 06:47:00 -
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Interesting question, one I've only briefly considered. I generally don't RP. I am just me, and my character I guess is my alternate ego in the cosmos. Well, I guess I AM RPing then LOL. But not in any strict sense of the term.
I've never been able to make my characters all be different. This character, for example, acts the exact same as my old one which I have now lost forever. NO I will not take your sister for payment! I'm married to one sister already! |
Vicktor Strelok
Astral Sanctuary - 7th Division
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Posted - 2014.03.21 23:57:00 -
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As I read on the new comics, alt accouts are treated as cannon, I mean, you can really be someone else. It is part of the lore. You guys just have to notice that part of EVE lore is constructed by us capsuleers, and if we use alts, that, in someway, is cannonized and start being part of the lore. |
Ibrahim Tash-Murkon
Inter Vivos Trust Service
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Posted - 2014.03.22 03:26:00 -
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Vicktor Strelok wrote:As I read on the new comics, alt accouts are treated as cannon, I mean, you can really be someone else. It is part of the lore. You guys just have to notice that part of EVE lore is constructed by us capsuleers, and if we use alts, that, in someway, is cannonized and start being part of the lore.
I don't think what happens in the comics is prime fiction. It is presenting the meta-game (decidedly not part of the prime fiction) through the lens of in game activity (because a comic of chat logs and Ventrilo conversations would not be as exciting). A capsuleer can only be on person. (Minus the eternal special case, rule breaking Broker.) "I give you the destiny of Faith, and you will bring its message to every planet of every star in the heavens: Go forth, conquer in my Name, and reclaim that which I have given."-á- Book of Reclaiming 22:13 |
Leeloo Killik
Hax. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2014.04.16 03:12:00 -
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Didn't Tibus Heth have operating more than one clone simultaneously in one of the Gonzales'es books? |
Just Another Capsuleer
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.04.16 03:35:00 -
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Leeloo Killik wrote:Didn't Tibus Heth have operating more than one clone simultaneously in one of the Gonzales'es books? It was Broker, not Heth. Heth is (was?) an ordinary human. |
Leeloo Killik
Hax. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2014.04.16 22:14:00 -
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Just Another Capsuleer wrote:Leeloo Killik wrote:Didn't Tibus Heth have operating more than one clone simultaneously in one of the Gonzales'es books? It was Broker, not Heth. Heth is (was?) an ordinary human. Oh, correct, thanks |
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Enya Sparhawk
State Protectorate Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.04.16 23:29:00 -
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As a writer, I use my alts as a sort of grounding in the world of EVE; I generally don't like using them in stories, but through them (or through their eyes) one can obtain a better 'feel' for the universe by translating their experiences or what they know as 'real' from the realm of the sandbox into ink and paper...
In my humble opinion, one of the best aspects of this game is its unique storyline...
In the long years that I've played this game, It has offered an escape from the harsh cruel world as I have known it... I'm grateful to be allowed to be a part of it.
-Ens
F+¡orghr+í: Gr+í na f+¡rinne D+¬an g+íire...Tiocfaidh +ír l+í |
Vulxanis Viceroy
Xiadii Family Holdings
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Posted - 2014.04.17 19:50:00 -
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Violet Kross wrote:Candi LeMew wrote: If you messaged each of them in-character you would get very different responses. It can be quite a challenge to RP multiple-characters like that, especially when I have more than one in a RP channel at once. That makes sense, I guess. Since I often don't play in an RPing environment, I always respond to the name of my main, no matter what character I'm using. Even with roleplayers, they'll often ask my alts questions that are meant to be directed at my main. The post I was referring to earlier (I'll edit in the link when I find it) talks about how black market technology could create neural links between capsuleers, either merging their personalities or eliminating the personality of one of them.
Basically what Candi said. EG, I have 3 characters on the same account that are COMPLETELY alien to one another in personality, speech patterns, etc. In and out of character. So basically they are considered separate people.
I know one person has two alts on the same account, and she roleplays them as a mother/daughter relationship. How that works is odd to me, but hey, there are few limits lol
If you have questions and are interested in getting into roleplay, just send me a message or look me up in game. I even have a template I've made for new players so if you want that as well I can send it to you.
It's a lot of fun, and can help keep you sane when the rest of eve is boring xD Fide et honore.
(OOC/ IC note: Vulxanis will not respond to any form of address other than Lord Draconis.) |
Hapyria Nabali
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.04.23 02:08:00 -
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This is a great question... I really thought about it before, even though I roleplay every time I play.
For me, my alternate character doesn't really fund or supply my main character, so the story that I have for both of them is that they are friends . I don't know how other players might explain one character basically living their life to serve another ha ha.
Great thought-provoking post . |
Webvan
State Protectorate Caldari State
1659
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Posted - 2014.04.23 03:18:00 -
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Violet Kross wrote:I've wondered this ever since I discovered that an account had multiple character slots. I know people who explain this by saying that they jump clone between their alts, which explains why two alts from the same account can't be online at the same time. That's really a perspective from immersion which RP is not. When you read a book, do you constantly think of the writer behind the characters? You must disconnect the idea of the person behind the keyboard from the character in play (of those that "RP"). And when the person goes away, the character remains, just goes off stage to where you cannot see. Often role-players will form RP groups, as immersive-play and role-play does not really mix very well.
As for sharing resources between characters, how is it done in books for instance? There is usually some sort of relationship between the characters when this happens, business partnerships or family ties and such. The little mechanical details of the system/game-engine in which the characters dwell are not the defining factor in how a characters persona is developed, just because a negative exists for ease of play for immersionists. |
Alaric Faelen
Sabotage Incorporated Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2014.04.25 19:01:00 -
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Agreed. As the ability to 'be more than one person' is purely a function of Eve being a game, there is no lore associated to explain it. As far as Eve is concerned, your characters are individual people. How they interact in-game is purely up to the player. Some players keep their toons separate, while most use them as virtual 'slaves' for their main, only existing to serve the main in some capacity.
Since the majority of alts are single-purpose slaves, they really don't interact with the game enough to matter to the overall lore of Eve. Using a hauler alt is little different than hiring Black Frog to move your stuff. In RP terms, that would amount to- 'I know a guy with a pick up truck'. For things like running a bunch of toons for a pile of PI planets, one could assume the alts were part of a co-operative like many farmers establish. The main being the head of the group and therefore, the only toon that really interacts with the larger community of Eve.
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Vulxanis Viceroy
Xiadii Family Holdings
88
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Posted - 2014.04.28 18:00:00 -
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The real trick is talking to the exact same people on multiple characters from the same account, and them not knowing at all that you are the same person. Not even OOC. Even more impressive if you don't ever lie about whether or not you are the same person lol
Best way to do that, though, is not to force it. Just let roleplaying scenarios run their course. Fide et honore.
(OOC/ IC note: Vulxanis will not respond to any form of address other than Lord Draconis.) |
Coyote Laughing
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Posted - 2014.05.04 17:56:00 -
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Just Another Capsuleer wrote:Leeloo Killik wrote:Didn't Tibus Heth have operating more than one clone simultaneously in one of the Gonzales'es books? It was Broker, not Heth. Heth is (was?) an ordinary human.
I'll have to reread it, but as the clones always killed themselves afterwards, I'm not sure it wasn't just jump cloning between places. l8r \o/ |
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