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Hendrick Tallardar
SniggWaffe WAFFLES.
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Posted - 2014.03.05 21:43:00 -
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Jayne,
Thank you very much for answering those questions.
Seraph,
ISD already had to remove your idiotic posts and trolling in the previous thread. Perhaps that was an indication that it is you who are the problem and not Jayne. Especially since ISD are neutral parties. Maybe if you pestered Jayne via an EVE-Mail you'd get a better result. LeeSsang. Never Forget. |
Jayne Fillon
239
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Posted - 2014.03.05 22:49:00 -
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Hendrick Tallardar wrote: Jayne,
Thank you very much for answering those questions.
If I am reading it correctly you wish to have CSM 9 provide more communication across the board amongst all members. Would you feel a public forum in which only CSM 9 members debate a subject, so long as it does not violate NDA, be a potential feature on the CSM 9 website/communication space? Tracking down everyone's responses and thoughts would be resolved in that sense and would not focus on the "celebrity" aspect that seems to plague certain CSM candidates approaches to their role.
I actually have a slightly different stance than what you've interpreted - sorry for not making this clear the first time. I'm not interested in having more communication from the CSM, I'm interested in more meaningful communication that provides players with relevant updates instead of the habitual reminders that the CSM is actually doing something. Taking Ripard Teg's most recent blog post from a day ago, we have the following phrases:
- Third week in a row of pretty much the same status!
- Obviously, the Minutes have not yet been released.
- The private section of the forums has been very busy!
- There was a stake-holder meeting this past week, but unfortunately I missed it.
All of the above are exact quotes, pulled from sections speaking about CSM8. Ripard goes on to discuss the upcoming CSM9 elections, but that's just his opinion and of no inherent value. What I'm trying to say is that the information provided by Ripard is essentially useless, beyond an indication that the CSM is apparently doing stuff. I don't need all fourteen members of the council to take up blogging, and do as Ripiard does, just to remind me that they're doing something - it's a waste of time and effort. What I would like to see is fewer, more meaningful updates, that allows for direct and meaningful feedback to the CSM from the players. As an individual I have never found the CSM8 website to be of use - if something really matters to the community it should be posted to a news site or the forums. Until that point, stop teasing us with the NDA and just do your job. I'd be totally fine if there was only one person on the council who published "we're still doing stuff" posts, anything more than that would simply be redundant if that's all you're going to say until post-release or crisis. Can't shoot blues if you don't have any. Long Live NPSI. |
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ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
972
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Posted - 2014.03.05 22:57:00 -
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I have removed a rule breaking post and those quoting it. Please people, keep it on topic and above all civil!
The rules: 5. Trolling is prohibited.
Trolling is a defined as a post that is deliberately designed for the purpose of angering and insulting other players in an attempt to incite retaliation or an emotional response. Posts of this nature are disruptive, often abusive and do not contribute to the sense of community that CCP promote. ISD Ezwal Commander Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
14147
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Posted - 2014.03.06 14:25:00 -
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Jayne Fillon wrote:Hendrick Tallardar wrote: Jayne,
Thank you very much for answering those questions.
If I am reading it correctly you wish to have CSM 9 provide more communication across the board amongst all members. Would you feel a public forum in which only CSM 9 members debate a subject, so long as it does not violate NDA, be a potential feature on the CSM 9 website/communication space? Tracking down everyone's responses and thoughts would be resolved in that sense and would not focus on the "celebrity" aspect that seems to plague certain CSM candidates approaches to their role.
I actually have a slightly different stance than what you've interpreted - sorry for not making this clear the first time. I'm not interested in having more communication from the CSM, I'm interested in more meaningful communication that provides players with relevant updates instead of the habitual reminders that the CSM is actually doing something. Taking Ripard Teg's most recent blog post from a day ago, we have the following phrases:
- Third week in a row of pretty much the same status!
- Obviously, the Minutes have not yet been released.
- The private section of the forums has been very busy!
- There was a stake-holder meeting this past week, but unfortunately I missed it.
All of the above are exact quotes, pulled from sections speaking about CSM8. Ripard goes on to discuss the upcoming CSM9 elections, but that's just his opinion and of no inherent value. What I'm trying to say is that the information provided by Ripard is essentially useless, beyond an indication that the CSM is apparently doing stuff. I don't need all fourteen members of the council to take up blogging, and do as Ripiard does, just to remind me that they're doing something - it's a waste of time and effort. What I would like to see is fewer, more meaningful updates, that allows for direct and meaningful feedback to the CSM from the players. As an individual I have never found the CSM8 website to be of use - if something really matters to the community it should be posted to a news site or the forums. Until that point, stop teasing us with the NDA and just do your job. I'd be totally fine if there was only one person on the council who published "we're still doing stuff" posts, anything more than that would simply be redundant if that's all you're going to say until post-release or crisis.
Please bear in mind that everything that is said to us in the CSM channels is NDA'd by default.
We can talk about what we said, but only in a way that doesn't imply NDA information: I can say "Yesterday I asked Fozzie and Rise if they will ever introduce capital mining lasers" but I definitely can't say "Yesterday I told Fozzie and Rise that their capital mining laser ideas are way too weak".
In addition, to be completely frank, after a while it gets really hard to remember what you were told in which context and when it's OK to talk about it. All of us take the NDA seriously and while I don't want to sy that there are no possible circumstances we'd consider breaking it, none of us want to do so accidentally*!
So the end result is we tend to follow the old north country advice: "If in doubt, say nowt". Or what we do say has to be very carefully phrased and often ends up being rather gnomic.
I personally do my best to communicate as much as I can within the NDA on the topics I'm most involved in.
*Incidentally, none of us are willing to do so to satisfy idle curiousity or mere impatience either.
1 Kings 12:11
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Ali Aras
Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
639
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Posted - 2014.03.06 14:55:00 -
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Hendrick Tallardar wrote: If I am reading it correctly you wish to have CSM 9 provide more communication across the board amongst all members. Would you feel a public forum in which only CSM 9 members debate a subject, so long as it does not violate NDA, be a potential feature on the CSM 9 website/communication space? Tracking down everyone's responses and thoughts would be resolved in that sense and would not focus on the "celebrity" aspect that seems to plague certain CSM candidates approaches to their role.
I'm not the candidate, but this is a good idea, and might breathe some life into the Assembly Hall section, especially if it was in some way controlled so as not to become a hugely time-consuming megathread. The above is essentially how a lot of CSM/CCP communication happens, for a lot of the same reasons you cite-- it makes it easy to track replies and opinions. That communication is, however, hidden for good reasons.
It'd sort of end up being a long-form town hall. CSM members debating their own opinions cannot possibly breach the NDA, although sometimes you end up in the awkward situation where your opinions have been shaped by NDA'd info about what's possible, likely, or upcoming. In that case, though, I happily talk as if those thoughts are my own.
Anyways, I'll see if it's possible to get a "CSMs talking to CSMs" thread going at some point; ideally one non-CSMs weren't posting in? I dunno, I waffle on that last part. http://warp-to-sun.tumblr.com -- my blog |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
14147
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Posted - 2014.03.06 16:43:00 -
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Fozzie and Rise were pretty hurtful about my capital mining laser question btw :(
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Jayne Fillon
307
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Posted - 2014.03.06 16:48:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Please bear in mind that everything that is said to us in the CSM channels is NDA'd by default. We can talk about what we said, but only in a way that doesn't imply NDA information: I can say "Yesterday I asked Fozzie and Rise if they will ever introduce capital mining lasers" but I definitely can't say "Yesterday I told Fozzie and Rise that their capital mining laser ideas are way too weak". In addition, to be completely frank, after a while it gets really hard to remember what you were told in which context and when it's OK to talk about it. All of us take the NDA seriously and while I don't want to say that there are no possible circumstances we'd consider breaking it, none of us want to do so accidentally*! So the end result is we tend to follow the old north country advice: "If in doubt, say nowt". Or what we do say has to be very carefully phrased and often ends up being rather gnomic. I personally do my best to communicate as much as I can within the NDA on the topics I'm most involved in. *Incidentally, none of us are willing to do so to satisfy idle curiosity or mere impatience either. My idle curiosity has indeed been frustrated by all of you and your strict adherence to the NDA, I must admit. I hope you don't take my words as an attack against the current CSM itself, as it's not - I recognize that my thoughts are the byproduct of circumstance and out of the CSM's control. However, that doesn't stop me from wishing that there was a solution.
IIRC (aka, don't quote me on this) Mynnna was the one who mentioned to me that although he wishes he could write more, the constant worry that he's breaking NDA or that he will construed to have his opinions shaped by NDA material is too large of a concern to write in the public sphere as freely as he used to. That's really quite a shame - and Ali, I think that a CSM subforum would be an amazing idea, since CCP Dolan seems to be adding new subforums anyway. Really, that would make me rather gleeful.
Again, I'll reiterate that I'm not trying to blame the current CSM - but I do desire a more open and meaningful path of communication. Can't shoot blues if you don't have any. Long Live NPSI. |
Jayne Fillon
307
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Posted - 2014.03.06 16:49:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Fozzie and Rise were pretty hurtful about my capital mining laser question btw :( I thought those already existed? You just mine other players and their ships, rather than asteroids. Can't shoot blues if you don't have any. Long Live NPSI. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
14147
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Posted - 2014.03.06 18:03:00 -
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Jayne Fillon wrote:Malcanis wrote:Please bear in mind that everything that is said to us in the CSM channels is NDA'd by default. We can talk about what we said, but only in a way that doesn't imply NDA information: I can say "Yesterday I asked Fozzie and Rise if they will ever introduce capital mining lasers" but I definitely can't say "Yesterday I told Fozzie and Rise that their capital mining laser ideas are way too weak". In addition, to be completely frank, after a while it gets really hard to remember what you were told in which context and when it's OK to talk about it. All of us take the NDA seriously and while I don't want to say that there are no possible circumstances we'd consider breaking it, none of us want to do so accidentally*! So the end result is we tend to follow the old north country advice: "If in doubt, say nowt". Or what we do say has to be very carefully phrased and often ends up being rather gnomic. I personally do my best to communicate as much as I can within the NDA on the topics I'm most involved in. *Incidentally, none of us are willing to do so to satisfy idle curiosity or mere impatience either. My idle curiosity has indeed been frustrated by all of you and your strict adherence to the NDA, I must admit. I hope you don't take my words as an attack against the current CSM itself, as it's not - I recognize that my thoughts are the byproduct of circumstance and out of the CSM's control. However, that doesn't stop me from wishing that there was a solution. IIRC (aka, don't quote me on this) Mynnna was the one who mentioned to me that although he wishes he could write more, the constant worry that he's breaking NDA or that he will construed to have his opinions shaped by NDA material is too large of a concern to write in the public sphere as freely as he used to. That's really quite a shame - and Ali, I think that a CSM subforum would be an amazing idea, since CCP Dolan seems to be adding new subforums anyway. Really, that would make me rather gleeful. Again, I'll reiterate that I'm not trying to blame the current CSM - but I do desire a more open and meaningful path of communication.
You've no idea how frustrating it is, but I hope you get the opportunity to experience it for yourself.
1 Kings 12:11
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Hendrick Tallardar
SniggWaffe WAFFLES.
142
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Posted - 2014.03.06 19:49:00 -
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Jayne,
Thank you for the clarification.
Malcanis,
Maybe if you weren't so mean trying to break CCP Fozzie and CCP Rise's souls they would appreciate your feedback :p LeeSsang. Never Forget. |
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Anya Klibor
Guy Fawkes Trust Fund 31ST Reliables Division
668
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Posted - 2014.03.06 20:00:00 -
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Hendrick Tallardar wrote:Jayne,
Thank you for the clarification.
Malcanis,
Maybe if you weren't so mean trying to break CCP Fozzie and CCP Rise's souls they would appreciate your feedback :p
Mistake #1: thinking CCP devs have souls. |
Trusty 'Hidebound' Talker
Viziam Amarr Empire
2
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Posted - 2014.03.06 20:01:00 -
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*Snip* Removed reply to a deleted post. ISD Ezwal.
Jayne: unlike many other candidates, you have professed to remain neutral in terms of support base and background. Do you feel that your time in public communities and working as a writer for TMC has made this easier or more difficult for you, and do you foresee a CSM spot as limiting your future gameplay if you do attempt to remain neutral? |
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ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
1012
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Posted - 2014.03.06 21:02:00 -
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I have removed some rule breaking posts and those quoting them. Please people, keep it on topic and above all civil!
The rules: 5. Trolling is prohibited.
Trolling is a defined as a post that is deliberately designed for the purpose of angering and insulting other players in an attempt to incite retaliation or an emotional response. Posts of this nature are disruptive, often abusive and do not contribute to the sense of community that CCP promote.
12. Spamming is prohibited.
Spam is defined as the repetitive posting of the same topic or nonsensical post that has no substance and is often designed to annoy other forum users. This can include the words GÇ£firstGÇ¥, GÇ£go back to (insert other game name)GÇ¥ and other such posts that contribute no value to forum discussion. Spamming also includes the posting of ASCII art within a forum post. ISD Ezwal Commander Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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Jayne Fillon
307
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Posted - 2014.03.06 22:08:00 -
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Trusty 'Hidebound' Talker wrote:Jayne: unlike many other candidates, you have professed to remain neutral in terms of support base and background. Do you feel that your time in public communities and working as a writer for TMC has made this easier or more difficult for you, and do you foresee a CSM spot as limiting your future gameplay if you do attempt to remain neutral? I don't think the the CSM limits any play style at all, if anything it would immerse you in all the different options available in the sandbox and the intricate details. As for remaining neutral, working with the public communities has undoubtedly helped me remain neutral because the only thing people want in there is fun and content, both things which are thankfully free of political motivations. As for TMC that's a little different and can be taken more easily as me having political leanings or, as has happened on multiple occasions, causes people to accuse me of being a good shill.
This has made it more difficult, but I think my writings have shown me to be without bias, and consistently so.
Can't shoot blues if you don't have any. Long Live NPSI. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
14147
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Posted - 2014.03.07 09:15:00 -
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Unless you literally have no other demands on your waking time than playing or thinking about EVE, and no limits on your appetite for doing so, being on the CSM will absolutely limit your play styles, insofar as it significantly limits mechanics like logging in.
If you have a job, a family, a relationship, then being on the CSM is going to eat a large majority of your "EVE time", assuming you do the job properly.
1 Kings 12:11
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Hendrick Tallardar
SniggWaffe WAFFLES.
142
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Posted - 2014.03.07 14:20:00 -
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Jayne,
Malcanis raises a fair point and being an active member, if I remember correctly, of the US Military do you feel that your duties as a member of the CSM added to your obligations to your work, as well as your family life, will be able to coexist? LeeSsang. Never Forget. |
Angry Mustache
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
149
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Posted - 2014.03.07 16:24:00 -
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Hendrick Tallardar wrote:Jayne,
Malcanis raises a fair point and being an active member, if I remember correctly, of the US Military do you feel that your duties as a member of the CSM added to your obligations to your work, as well as your family life, will be able to coexist?
Jayne is Canadian.
On that point, are you willing to push for a change to the addition of tim horton's joint into new eden?
Also, how would you go on introducing more small gang into 0.0 warfare. An official Member of the Goonswarm Federation Complaints Department.
vote Angry Mustache for CSM9-áhttps://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=326509&find=unread |
Hendrick Tallardar
SniggWaffe WAFFLES.
142
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Posted - 2014.03.07 17:14:00 -
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Canada has a military? LeeSsang. Never Forget. |
Jayne Fillon
307
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Posted - 2014.03.07 17:27:00 -
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Hendrick Tallardar wrote:Canada has a military? We do - and I'm proud to be a part of it.
As for conflicts with my real life obligations, I don't forsee that as an issue. I'm not in a position to be deployed and my schedule is quite predictable. As for family issues, my work is of a nature where I'm single and will remain so. Which in this case is a good thing.... I think.
Angry, unfortunately I can't eat pixels, so a Tim Horton's in Eve would just make me perpetually depressed.
As for your question regarding small gang warfare, I'm about to get on a plane, but I'll have your answer in ~4 hours when I land.
Can't shoot blues if you don't have any. Long Live NPSI. |
Hendrick Tallardar
SniggWaffe WAFFLES.
142
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Posted - 2014.03.10 17:57:00 -
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Jayne Fillon wrote:Hendrick Tallardar wrote:Canada has a military? We do - and I'm proud to be a part of it. As for conflicts with my real life obligations, I don't forsee that as an issue. I'm not in a position to be deployed and my schedule is quite predictable. As for family issues, my work is of a nature where I'm single and will remain so. Which in this case is a good thing.... I think. Angry, unfortunately I can't eat pixels, so a Tim Horton's in Eve would just make me perpetually depressed. As for your question regarding small gang warfare, I'm about to get on a plane, but I'll have your answer in ~4 hours when I land.
I apologize, the majority of that question was based off the presumption that you were US Military which, if I believe I'm correct, has a higher rate of being called forward for duty. Clearly that depends on which branch and skills you're providing.
*Snip* Removed reply to a deleted post. ISD Ezwal.
Re: the small gang warfare stuff, yes we were mocking the situation. LeeSsang. Never Forget. |
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Ripard Teg
Stimulus Rote Kapelle
850
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Posted - 2014.03.14 02:23:00 -
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I'm in the midst of writing a series of blog posts about the changes I've seen over the last few years to EVE's culture. I feel we've become much quicker to embarrass and humiliate each other, much less likely to treat each other with respect, more inclined to see how far we can push another player... see if we can break him... see if we can drive him out of the game or make him snap.
And if successful, we crow "Go back to WoW, you *****!" and we celebrate our "victory."
1) Do you agree? 2) If so, why do you think it's happening? If you disagree, why? 3) What, if anything, do you feel CCP should do about it? Jester's Trek: wherein I ramble about EVE Online, gaming, and from time to time... life. |
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ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
1012
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Posted - 2014.03.16 22:49:00 -
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I have removed some rule breaking posts and those quoting them. As always I let some edge cases stay. Please people, keep it on topic and above all civil!
The rules: 4. Personal attacks are prohibited.
Commonly known as flaming, personal attacks are posts that are designed to personally berate or insult another forum user. Posts of this nature are not beneficial to the community spirit that CCP promote and as such they will not be tolerated.
5. Trolling is prohibited.
Trolling is a defined as a post that is deliberately designed for the purpose of angering and insulting other players in an attempt to incite retaliation or an emotional response. Posts of this nature are disruptive, often abusive and do not contribute to the sense of community that CCP promote.
26. Off-topic posting is prohibited.
Off-topic posting is permitted within reason, as sometimes a single comment may color or lighten the tone of discussion. However, excessive posting of off-topic remarks in an attempt to derail a thread may result in the thread being locked, or a forum warning being issued. ISD Ezwal Commander Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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Hendrick Tallardar
SniggWaffe WAFFLES.
142
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Posted - 2014.03.17 15:48:00 -
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Apologies ISD Ezwal, I shouldn't engage with known trolls.
Jayne,
Your fellow CSM9 candidate, Angry Mustache, believes that Faction Warfare is "broken" due to its, comparatively, ridiculously high ISK payout. He alleges due to its current state, it's a near necessity for Nullsec dwellers to have FW alts just to stay competitive with ISK income. He also feels that the current FW mechanics are anti-conflict.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4318982#post4318982
Do you agree with this assessment with the ISK payouts being unreasonably higher for FW ISK making versus ratting in Null or other venues of ISK making? Do you feel the FW mechanics are anti-conflict? Do you have a possible solution to resolve the issues Angry Mustache brings up? LeeSsang. Never Forget. |
Jayne Fillon
307
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Posted - 2014.03.17 16:29:00 -
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reserved - writing a response. Can't shoot blues if you don't have any. Long Live NPSI. |
ShamedOne
The Hurt Club
41
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Posted - 2014.03.17 18:39:00 -
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I cant read all of that, but I wish you best of luck |
Linavin
Midnight Judges LLC
0
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Posted - 2014.03.18 04:55:00 -
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What is your opinion on off-grid Ganglink support in the context of small scale and solo combat? Would you change the mechanic? If so, in what way generally? |
Jaun Pacht-Feng
University of Caille Gallente Federation
28
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Posted - 2014.03.19 16:10:00 -
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You sound like the kinda person who plays his way and if people don't play by your rules you outright ignore them. How can you serve on the CSM if you'll ignore the PVE player base being PVP orientated?
Also on your comment on eve radio you claimed that the Rattlesnake will be balanced in a certain way. Then continued to state it as fact and will happen as you said it would. Seeing how nothing public was made about it. You might as well have said "Someone broke the NDA and told me" I'm impressed that no one else pointed this out. |
Cydelle Abraham
Aurora Armaments Gentlemen's Agreement
19
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Posted - 2014.03.19 17:05:00 -
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So far you really impressed me with your way of answering questions, providing well-laid out answers and showing how dedicated you are to EVE.
You have my vote :)
PS: I'm interested in your responses to the last few questions... |
Jaun Pacht-Feng
University of Caille Gallente Federation
28
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Posted - 2014.03.19 17:12:00 -
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Cydelle Abraham wrote:So far you really impressed me with your way of answering questions, providing well-laid out answers and showing how dedicated you are to EVE.
You have my vote :)
PS: I'm interested in your responses to the last few questions... Jayne constantly says he talks to other CSM members on a daily basis who is also writers for Mittensdotcom. Then jokes about getting on the CSM would allow him to openly talk about NDA stuff with said members. |
Jayne Fillon
307
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Posted - 2014.03.20 19:13:00 -
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Linavin wrote:What is your opinion on off-grid Ganglink support in the context of small scale and solo combat? Would you change the mechanic? If so, in what way generally? I greatly despise this mechanics, and was incredibly pleased when they were prevented from activating links while in a POS, although I think that it should have extended to Rorqual and mining links as well.
Further more, I have always been a firm believer that links should only work while on grid. Eve's risk-reward system works wonders, and even in fitting a ship you have to make sacrifices in order to gain different or additional functionality. Currently, links can provide pilots with a capability on an order of magnitude greater than anything else, all while being exposed to minimal risk.
I personally fly my command ships proudly in fleet fights, and take the necessary steps to ensure that it has the best hope of surviving the engagement. The practice of moving cloaky-dictor nearly-unprobable link ships along with a gang is both cowardly, and heavily favors those with alts. Sure, formed fleets should have an advantage over a ragtag gaggle of ships, but they need to be put at risk.
TL;DR on-grid linking only, both for combat and industrial links
Can't shoot blues if you don't have any. Long Live NPSI. |
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