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Joe Fowl
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Posted - 2006.04.20 11:32:00 -
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Hey, iŠm a carebear just to start this of and get rid of all you ppl that hate me =)
Well, the thing is me and my fellas have been getting our industry corp up for about 3 months now and we are doing great, we are still just hanging around in high sec space and weŠve been free of any harrasment till now.
Last night some guys from the corp were mining and a kestrel warps in and steals from the can, ok my fellas do like we useally do get some combat ships and kill him, weŠve now killed 3 ore thives. Then just few mins later another guy warps in and steals from the can, and they thought it was a rifter frig and get there combat ships ready and go outside..
After beeing OWNED by this guy they relised it wasnŠt a rifter but an wolf, we felt kinda stupit not to look better at the ship but really any pvp even just killing frigs is more then exiting for us carebears =)
Anywho, we just felt stupid and kept doing our thing, then our CEO gets convoed by the guy, and heŠs telling us we got 24 hours to pay him 25 mills or heŠs going to war with us, I donŠt know if the ships he killed from us werenŠt enuff. he probly thinks we are just easy picking wich we are tbh =(
Now my question is should we pay him the 25 mills and hope heŠll leave us alone or just wait to see if he acctually declares war on us and risk our entire corp getting destroyed ?
Do "pirates" useally leave others alone after they got there ransome money or do I need to worry about him just comeing back in a week and doing the same thing ? and do you think a gang of maybe 5 cruisers with 3 months old char in em could take out a good wolf pilot ?
Thanks for reading Joe Fowl
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Traxio Nacho
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Posted - 2006.04.20 11:36:00 -
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Tell him you want 25mil from him or you will war dec him .
I wouldnt pay him if I was you just tell him to go away, was he in a large corp?
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Kaleeb
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Posted - 2006.04.20 11:40:00 -
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If it was me I wouldnt pay, i`d either get some mercs to help you or fight them yourselves in cheap frigs.
That said I have war dec'd corps and asked for money, after recieving it I have always kept my word and retracted even offering advise if the same happens again.
Good luck
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Deja Thoris
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Posted - 2006.04.20 12:04:00 -
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Tell him you want ISK from him and that you just died yesterday to boost his confidence.
He sounds like hes taking a chance tbh. Either way you would be silly to pay.
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Kalil d'Maelstromo
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Posted - 2006.04.20 12:21:00 -
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Originally by: Joe Fowl
Do you think a gang of maybe 5 cruisers with 3 months old char in em could take out a good wolf pilot ?
Yes, web him, scram him and then use some racial jammers. You know that he presumably fly's Matari so use LADAR (?) ecm. Tbh if you web and scram him then a wolf should go down to 5 cruisers lickety-split. **************************
Originally by: Deb Loblaw Anybody who demands a reach around is just a greedy bastich, if you ask me.
If you wanted satisfaction, you should have been on top.
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Insta Gank
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Posted - 2006.04.20 12:28:00 -
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well this seems to be a trend among starving pvp-wannabe's out there... threaten to wardec a vulnerable industrial corp if you dont get any iskies but never really intend to really war dec.... its disappointing at best really
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Katamarino
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Posted - 2006.04.20 13:32:00 -
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For taking out assault frigates, Nos can also be your friend.
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Hunters Presence
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Posted - 2006.04.20 13:36:00 -
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Originally by: Katamarino For taking out assault frigates, Nos can also be your friend.
He didn't even realise it was an assault frigate... and who says in a future engagement he will always befacing AFs? No point shooting yourself in a knee to outpace a single competitor. -----
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Bentguru
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Posted - 2006.04.20 13:48:00 -
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25mil isn't alot tbh... if it was a serious threat with some force behind it he probably would have asked for more.
I say call his bluff
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Xeaon
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Posted - 2006.04.20 13:59:00 -
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Web and nos will kill any frigate that gets into range. Can't mwd away, can't keep scrambler going, can't fire (not in the wolf's case mind). So all they end up with is a slow, fragile frig that can't escape :D
Happens to my inty all the time
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Hunters Presence
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Posted - 2006.04.20 14:03:00 -
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Quote: Web and nos will kill any frigate that gets into range. Can't mwd away, can't keep scrambler going, can't fire (not in the wolf's case mind). So all they end up with is a slow, fragile frig that can't escape :D
True, but a little recon can ensure you don't bring a frigate to that fight... -----
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Nyabinghi
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Posted - 2006.04.20 14:03:00 -
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Hey Joe.
Remember that if you do not take a stand here then you lay yourself open to such ransoms in the future. Find out who their enemies are and form an alliance (not necessarily a billion isk one) or hire some Mercs.
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Slink Grinsdikild
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Posted - 2006.04.20 14:11:00 -
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Whatever you decide to do, do not pay him.
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Touk
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Posted - 2006.04.20 14:54:00 -
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Edited by: Touk on 20/04/2006 14:56:10 i like to go pirating from time to time.....escape the alliance stuff and just fly solo...nothing better.
A presedent that snigg have put forward is the honourable pirate...this is a presedent that i follow as do many others......after all it makes sence.. If you ransom the guy let him go after he's paid...thereby encouraging others to pay thier ransoms.
I think you will find that many a pirat will let you go when you have paid them...those that dont name and shame id say...id much rather kill them than miners and npc'ers...they give pirates a worse name than they already have.
ok scan reading posts for 4tl....dont pay the guy.....war dec threats are just that threats...sure they may war dec you if you dont pay but who cares..it will provide you with some battle experience.........threatening to war dec someon for isk is not piracy....it bullying
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Eternal Fury
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Posted - 2006.04.20 15:42:00 -
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You want to really screw with him, war dec him.
Basically just keep doing what you are. If he comes back, beat on him. You guys might have to do things a little smarter though. Have a few guys sit at a safe spot in combat ships,a nd the second he shows up, warp in and pounce on him.
Use a sacrificial goat. Put one of your miners in a belt, with Mining drones, and a Miner, but equip it with a webber/Warp core destabiliser(I know not the name, but mental blank, I havne't had breakfast) on the miner, and when he comes in hit em, and have your gang mates warp in and whoop em.
Winning is the name of the game. You want Fair? Go play Chess |
GruFF83
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Posted - 2006.04.20 15:43:00 -
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we had something like this in my first corp, is his name lazlow lang by n e chance ?
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Joe Fowl
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Posted - 2006.04.21 08:00:00 -
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Thanks for all thouse answeres, it seems like he did really mean is cous we got a mail from concord last night about that the war would start after 24 hours, so we just went out and mined like mad mans and build us enuff ships and moudules to fight this war.
We are just gonna defend ourselfs agains him and I think this wil be a good expiriens for us since most of us have never tasted real pvp other then following a kestrel that stole from our ore can =P
Wish me luck ^^ Joe Fowl
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Qolde
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Posted - 2006.04.21 10:02:00 -
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Never EVER give the pirates what they want. Do not negotiate with terrorists. If they want your killmail, tell them to kiss your ass. If they want isk, tell them to kiss your ass.
Oh, and don't think that just because you are a small corp that you are powerless against him. The fact that you are small is what gives you so much power. Once you get a wardec, you have 24 hours to move to a different region than you normally stay at. This is uncomfortable, and may hurt your pride, but it is highly effective. If they can't find you, they can't kill you and they will be wasting the isk for every week they have the wardec open, while you are still making money, and not getting killed. Of course, fighting them would probably be more fun, and you will definitely learn from teh experience, but if you don't want to interupt your operations anymore than you have to, then a temporary relocation would serve you well. Just make sure you check where HIS corps offices are and make sure you don't move right next to one.
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FreeHansje
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Posted - 2006.04.21 11:09:00 -
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It's been said before: never, EVER, negotiate with pie-rats and terrorists. ----- FreeHansje
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sakana
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Posted - 2006.04.21 11:21:00 -
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the guy wasn't Friendmaster was he? that guy wardec'd our sister corp made up purely of miners, and asked for 2bil to call off the war. so we podded him for 2 weeks (with him adding 1bil to the ransom for every ship of his we blew up), and now he hasn't been online for a week. so maybe he's playing with an alt and picking on you guys now. ransom him for 200mil and call in some buddies to wardec him...i'll do it :P
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Helganstandt
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Posted - 2006.04.21 19:03:00 -
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Edited by: Helganstandt on 21/04/2006 19:04:02 There's probably a lot of confused messages in this thread, so hopefully I can shed some light on the situation.
I've been the corp that does the ransoming when I first started out this game, and since have moved on to better things . And it usually was for something small like 25 mil. Honestly, if you pay the guy, my guess is that he will keep his word and not war dec you.
The reason I say this is that the backlash from not keeping his word would be pretty devastating to any future ransoms he wishes to hold. All you have to do is post an update to this thread if he doesn't pay the ransom, and I bet you might even get a merc corp to do pro-bono work for you.
That being said, people are right in that you could be opening yourself up for more attacks in the future. So what I would do if I were you is try to do a bit of research on the corp. Go to the well-known killboards, and see what kind of kills they've been getting, and what you may be up against. With 5 cruisers, assuming you're all on at the same time, you can easily take out solo HAC's and BSes.
If they have been doing ganks with 4 HAC's, or 5 BSes in their killmails, then you might consider just giving up the 25 mil, and seeing where it goes from there. I somehow doubt this would be the case due to the small sum of money we're talking about, but you never know.
So that leaves you with two things to consider.
1) Is not having to deal with the hassle from these guys war-decing you worth 25 million?
2) Based on your research, will you actually be able to put up a fight against them?
If you answer yes to both, then you know what you need to do. If you answer no to either, then I suggest you pay the 25 mil.
I hope that helps some.
Also, if you end up paying, and he still war decs you, PLEASE post an updated thread. I know some people that may be willing to help you out.
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Ilor Prophet
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Posted - 2006.04.21 19:07:00 -
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Okay, so some frieds and I formed a corporation fairly recently to coordinate our efforts and share resources. We're mostly carebears and n00bs, but a few members have been playing for a while and have some killy ships.
Well, the corporation is less than a week old when (lo and behold) we get CONCORD notification of a wardec. Totally out of the blue. No ransom demand, no hatemail, no reason. Weird, right?
So, we exercise our most carebearish weapon - the ability to make money anywhere. So we take the 24 hours, load up our stuff and disperse. We were in like 5 different regions in a matter of hours. And we'd meet up to engage in joint mining ops or missions or whatever, then disperse again when we logged off. The miners amongst us used the opportunity to scout new systems, the freighty folks checked out markets in nearby regions, and the agent runners took the opportunity to build standing with new and different factions. Absolutely no loss on our part.
And what was the end result? 6 days later we get notification that the other corp has withdrawn their wardec and that hostilities will cease in 24 hours. In that week we never saw them. Net loss to us? 0 ISK. Net loss to them? 2 Million ISK.
Of course I'm wondering why they bothered to declare war on us in the first place if not to demand ransom. Fun? Spite? Several of our members think that their alts are a group of macro-miners we'd blown up (repeatedly) in the area the week previous.
Be that as it may, I encourage you to do as others have suggested - don't pay them a dime.
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Malka Badi'a
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Posted - 2006.04.21 19:07:00 -
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Quote: It's been said before: never, EVER, negotiate with pie-rats and terrorists.
Because dealing situations in absolutes and without logical reasoning has always ended well.
refusal to negotiate under any circumstance = go play CounterStrike --------------
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Qolde
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Posted - 2006.04.21 21:12:00 -
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Originally by: Malka Badi'a
Quote: It's been said before: never, EVER, negotiate with pie-rats and terrorists.
Because dealing situations in absolutes and without logical reasoning has always ended well.
refusal to negotiate under any circumstance = go play CounterStrike
No. Reinforcing "bad" behavior is illogical. The best way to deal with this is to pod them repeatedly. The second best method is to never get killed. The third best is to take the deaths without returning any stimulus to the pirates brain, ie chatting. The worst you could do is make it profitable for him.
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Voculus
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Posted - 2006.04.22 09:25:00 -
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Originally by: Malka Badi'a refusal to negotiate under any circumstance = go play CounterStrike
That's a guilt trip if I ever saw one. Don't pay them, Joe. Relocate if you have to, but don't give him the satisfaction. He's a grief player.
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Nahia Senne
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Posted - 2006.04.22 10:24:00 -
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i suggest you guys go to war and learn a thing or two about security. this guy might be perfect opportunity for you, he will teach you security the hard way.
Originally by: Voculus He's a grief player.
attacking people in purely pvp game is griefing? oh wait, i get it. you mean it has to be "fair" fight, not 1 vs many
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DaMiGe
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Posted - 2006.04.22 12:08:00 -
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@ update
thats the way to go, keep killing them till they die Just racial jam the vaga, and put atleast 2 webs om him and a few nosses. He wont be going anywhere. (unless he is a 5x warpcorestab vaga wuss)
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Kalil d'Maelstromo
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Posted - 2006.04.22 14:48:00 -
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Good work on the wolf. Seems he does favour Matari T2, good...biznatch his Vaga and make it cost him 190mill or so market-wise or perhaps a bit cheaper if he has a contact. Usual Vaga setup is lows with Gyro's T2 and 2 WCS.
I'd suggest the BB to use two racial jammers and a sensor booster with 3 1pt scrams. Cap wont be a problem as the bc's should cut him down fast enough especially if you have a couple of gank-caracals and make use of the Kin dmg bonus(Notice the Vaga's two resist holes).
He will be fast so two frigs with a dual web setup will stop him legging it past your scram range. Usual vaga is setup with MWD and can coast to 3km/s.
That with the BC's will eat his HAC and if you lose any ships its not an issue if you get the vaga. You will get insurance back and he will be crying and swearing at you in local.
Nice work.
Malka I think the difference is that he did not ransom a ship but is attempting to blackmail a corp. A single player should make the decision to pay a ransom, esp if its Suffoco, Snigg or Tun etc who will honour ransoms but some player trying to bully a whole corp of rookies is different no?
Although gross generalisations are ever 4TL. **************************
Originally by: Deb Loblaw Anybody who demands a reach around is just a greedy bastich, if you ask me.
If you wanted satisfaction, you should have been on top.
Huzzah |
Karistis
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Posted - 2006.04.22 17:54:00 -
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Joe: sounds like your corp is doing a fine job for its first war :)
Some good teamwork going on. The guy who dec'd you sounds like a nub tbh. Just keep blasting them until they go away. If it's money they want, they'll give up once they realize that the risk of getting it is too great. The wolf alone probably cost them about 25mill, so I'd say you should keep it up. PvP is valuable experience for any industrial corp :)
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kahle
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Posted - 2006.04.22 23:19:00 -
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good luck with the war, i hope ti goes well. a taste of pvp is what all corps need at an early age
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